DUST Search - Suicide LAVs Must Go

Harpyja wrote:

Seymour KrelbornX wrote:

Harpyja wrote:

Now that AV can no longer complain that they are UP, there's no reason to use such a scrub tactic. Yesterday, the scrubiest player I came across suicided his LAV into my militia fit Neutron Blaster Madrugar (and killed me, though I shouldn't need to mention). Then later he came in with his Ion Cannon Madrugar. LOL just WOW. Later a blue missile tank ganked the sh*t out of him (I was about 5 seconds too late to do so with mine, so I saw it happen instead).

But seriously now CCP, remove the ability to stick remotes to blue vehicles.

I hate these "I don't like to be killed this way" threads....

who cares if you think its scrubby!

it's an innovative tactic, especially for people who either don't have AV skilled, or want to send a message to the other team that tanks will not be permitted here.

personally when I pull out av they just call another tank. but when I jihad them, they get the message and stay off my battlefield.

Level 1 swarms. Level 1 AV grenades.

True, I can't kill any tank, but I have a big shot against other tanks with similar investment. Completely doable, I killed two or three Sicas the first game after I got standard swarms a couple days ago.

Also who says that anyone must be able to kill everyone? If a tanker is among the top, why should he be kill able? Balance shouldn't go around the top 1%.

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Harpyja Legio DXIV 1991	Posted - 2014.07.03 14:17:00 - [1] - Quote Now that AV can no longer complain that they are UP, there's no reason to use such a scrub tactic. Yesterday, the scrubiest player I came across suicided his LAV into my militia fit Neutron Blaster Madrugar (and killed me, though I shouldn't need to mention). Then later he came in with his Ion Cannon Madrugar. LOL just WOW. Later a blue missile tank ganked the sh*t out of him (I was about 5 seconds too late to do so with mine, so I saw it happen instead). But seriously now CCP, remove the ability to stick remotes to blue vehicles. "By His light, and His will"- The Scriptures, 12:32 -- "Scouts should fart repeatedly while cloaked"- TechMechMeds
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1105	Posted - 2014.07.03 14:29:00 - [2] - Quote Duplicate thread. There's so many of those - and even recent ones. Won't repeat my posts here, go there instead: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2219142#post2219142 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2223651#post2223651 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2239961#post2239961 :-S
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2979	Posted - 2014.07.03 14:31:00 - [3] - Quote Why? It's easy to counter if you bring a rifle. The fact it barely happens should be enough. Instead let's stop tanks ramming all their teammates and their vehicles like spoilt little brats first eh? My suit's a bit rusty, but that could just as easily be me! Monkey Mac - Swinging from the Rooftops Forum Warrior Lvl2
Harpyja Legio DXIV 1991	Posted - 2014.07.03 14:32:00 - [4] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: Duplicate thread. There's so many of those - and even recent ones. Won't repeat my posts here, go there instead: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2219142#post2219142 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2223651#post2223651 I tried finding it but couldn't. I knew it existed but was unable to find it. "By His light, and His will"- The Scriptures, 12:32 -- "Scouts should fart repeatedly while cloaked"- TechMechMeds
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1105	Posted - 2014.07.03 14:34:00 - [5] - Quote Harpyja wrote: I tried finding it but couldn't. I knew it existed but was unable to find it. okay no probbiti. :-S
Atiim Fooly Cooly. 10149	Posted - 2014.07.03 14:35:00 - [6] - Quote Here we go again... AVers: The Most Persistent Playerbase in DUST 514 -HAND
Harpyja Legio DXIV 1991	Posted - 2014.07.03 14:37:00 - [7] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Why? It's easy to counter if you bring a rifle. The fact it barely happens should be enough. Instead let's stop tanks ramming all their teammates and their vehicles like spoilt little brats first eh? Bring a rifle? How's that going to help? My missile turret will do a better job. But that's if I spot them. But usually I only hear them within 10 meters and they're already up my ass and exploded by the time I can react. And yes they do occur frequently. I lost multiple tanks yesterday in different battles to suicide LAVs. Many other battles where I saw the usage of a suicide LAV so to reduce the risk of going ISK-negative (which is easy to do now, it's almost like we're back to 1.6) I switch to my Python so I can't get suicide LAV'ed. "By His light, and His will"- The Scriptures, 12:32 -- "Scouts should fart repeatedly while cloaked"- TechMechMeds
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 4133	Posted - 2014.07.03 14:38:00 - [8] - Quote Suicide LAV is scrubbier than a MLT Blaster HAV? Presumably in OMS? Pot, meet kettle. PSN: The_Rynoceros Destiny beta SoonGäó Console Master Race
Harpyja Legio DXIV 1991	Posted - 2014.07.03 14:40:00 - [9] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: Suicide LAV is scrubbier than a MLT Blaster HAV? Presumably in OMS? Pot, meet kettle. Read: Neutron blaster. That's advanced you scrub. And I don't play ambush. I play skirmish. "By His light, and His will"- The Scriptures, 12:32 -- "Scouts should fart repeatedly while cloaked"- TechMechMeds
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2979	Posted - 2014.07.03 14:41:00 - [10] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Why? It's easy to counter if you bring a rifle. The fact it barely happens should be enough. Instead let's stop tanks ramming all their teammates and their vehicles like spoilt little brats first eh? Bring a rifle? How's that going to help? My missile turret will do a better job. But that's if I spot them. But usually I only hear them within 10 meters and they're already up my ass and exploded by the time I can react. And yes they do occur frequently. I lost multiple tanks yesterday in different battles to suicide LAVs. Many other battles where I saw the usage of a suicide LAV so to reduce the risk of going ISK-negative (which is easy to do now, it's almost like we're back to 1.6) I switch to my Python so I can't get suicide LAV'ed. So sneaking up on you is not allowed then? Hmm? One second. My suit's a bit rusty, but that could just as easily be me! Monkey Mac - Swinging from the Rooftops Forum Warrior Lvl2

Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 4134	Posted - 2014.07.03 14:46:00 - [11] - Quote Harpyja wrote: suicided his LAV into my militia fit Neutron Blaster Madrugar You said it. I apologize for not having more intimate knowledge of what people use to run 8000 HP, super repped scrub loadouts. PSN: The_Rynoceros Destiny beta SoonGäó Console Master Race
Cpl Foster USMC The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 1056	Posted - 2014.07.03 14:46:00 - [12] - Quote Hairless Gorillas use Guerrilla Warfare. stop complaining about Valid Tactics and kill those bastards....you bastards
Harpyja Legio DXIV 1991	Posted - 2014.07.03 14:47:00 - [13] - Quote Atiim wrote: Here we go again... Except this time there's no reason anyone should defend suicide LAVs. AV is no longer UP. Now that they have no credible threat after large blasters were nerfed, they can go blasting at tanks and dropships. I might even say proto AV is a bit OP because there's no way to go up against them, but I'll stay out of that for now. Hell, a few days ago I finally got standard swarms on my infantry alt. First game, I took out two, or three Sicas. Same pilot though, but still shows it's doable. Shot two volleys at him as he approached me, threw my 2 AV grenades at him, then finished him with a final volley. Sure you might not call him the smartest pilot, but who says that everything needs to be balanced by the top players? I think there should be a small minority of players that make whatever they're using seem OP because they got skill. Stop complaining that you want to be able to kill the most experienced. Balance shouldn't be around them. I already see enough tanks destroyed in the killfeed by AV. "By His light, and His will"- The Scriptures, 12:32 -- "Scouts should fart repeatedly while cloaked"- TechMechMeds
Harpyja Legio DXIV 1991	Posted - 2014.07.03 14:51:00 - [14] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: Harpyja wrote: suicided his LAV into my militia fit Neutron Blaster Madrugar You said it. I apologize for not having more intimate knowledge of what people use to run 8000 HP, super repped scrub loadouts. It's not super reps even more. Can't defend ourselves against proper AV anymore. We can't even fight back, you think that's fair? How about we give heavies the EHP of a medium suit and can only use Nova Knives. You can't fight back effectively nor can you defend yourself effectively. I actually think either blasters need to be un-nerfed or heavy reps need to be un-nerfed. We either need to be able to attack back or defend ourselves from AV. Currently I have to run with my tail between my legs because I can't do either. "By His light, and His will"- The Scriptures, 12:32 -- "Scouts should fart repeatedly while cloaked"- TechMechMeds
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 264	Posted - 2014.07.03 14:55:00 - [15] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Now that AV can no longer complain that they are UP, there's no reason to use such a scrub tactic. Yesterday, the scrubiest player I came across suicided his LAV into my militia fit Neutron Blaster Madrugar (and killed me, though I shouldn't need to mention). Then later he came in with his Ion Cannon Madrugar. LOL just WOW. Later a blue missile tank ganked the sh*t out of him (I was about 5 seconds too late to do so with mine, so I saw it happen instead). But seriously now CCP, remove the ability to stick remotes to blue vehicles. I hate these "I don't like to be killed this way" threads.... who cares if you think its scrubby! it's an innovative tactic, especially for people who either don't have AV skilled, or want to send a message to the other team that tanks will not be permitted here. personally when I pull out av they just call another tank. but when I jihad them, they get the message and stay off my battlefield.
Harpyja Legio DXIV 1991	Posted - 2014.07.03 14:59:00 - [16] - Quote Seymour KrelbornX wrote: Harpyja wrote: Now that AV can no longer complain that they are UP, there's no reason to use such a scrub tactic. Yesterday, the scrubiest player I came across suicided his LAV into my militia fit Neutron Blaster Madrugar (and killed me, though I shouldn't need to mention). Then later he came in with his Ion Cannon Madrugar. LOL just WOW. Later a blue missile tank ganked the sh*t out of him (I was about 5 seconds too late to do so with mine, so I saw it happen instead). But seriously now CCP, remove the ability to stick remotes to blue vehicles. I hate these "I don't like to be killed this way" threads.... who cares if you think its scrubby! it's an innovative tactic, especially for people who either don't have AV skilled, or want to send a message to the other team that tanks will not be permitted here. personally when I pull out av they just call another tank. but when I jihad them, they get the message and stay off my battlefield. Level 1 swarms. Level 1 AV grenades. True, I can't kill any tank, but I have a big shot against other tanks with similar investment. Completely doable, I killed two or three Sicas the first game after I got standard swarms a couple days ago. Also who says that anyone must be able to kill everyone? If a tanker is among the top, why should he be kill able? Balance shouldn't go around the top 1%. "By His light, and His will"- The Scriptures, 12:32 -- "Scouts should fart repeatedly while cloaked"- TechMechMeds
Scheneighnay McBob Cult of Gasai 5548	Posted - 2014.07.03 15:00:00 - [17] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Why? It's easy to counter if you bring a rifle. The fact it barely happens should be enough. Instead let's stop tanks ramming all their teammates and their vehicles like spoilt little brats first eh? It's EXTREMELY easy to counter if you have a blaster gunner. Teamwork saves lives. You might say small blasters suck, but consider this: it has extremely high RoF and bad accuracy: that means your chance of a stray shot hitting (and detonating) an RE is extremely high. pé¦pâ+pé¦pâ½pâäpâ¬pâ¦pé¦pâ¼pâ+pâêpü»sñ¬S+ïpéè
Benjamin Ciscko The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance 2420	Posted - 2014.07.03 15:02:00 - [18] - Quote So many scrubs trying to defend a crutch. Tanker/Logi 0 The number of 7ucks given
Harpyja Legio DXIV 1991	Posted - 2014.07.03 15:03:00 - [19] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: So many scrubs trying to defend a crutch. Says the crutch user. Also I must say that suicide LAVs are crutches. If you suck enough at AV, there's always the suicide LAV to save the day! "By His light, and His will"- The Scriptures, 12:32 -- "Scouts should fart repeatedly while cloaked"- TechMechMeds
pa ck G.L.O.R.Y Dark Taboo 45	Posted - 2014.07.03 15:07:00 - [20] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Now that AV can no longer complain that they are UP, there's no reason to use such a scrub tactic. Yesterday, the scrubiest player I came across suicided his LAV into my militia fit Neutron Blaster Madrugar (and killed me, though I shouldn't need to mention). Then later he came in with his Ion Cannon Madrugar. LOL just WOW. Later a blue missile tank ganked the sht out of him (I was about 5 seconds too late to do so with mine, so I saw it happen instead). But seriously now CCP, remove the ability to stick remotes to blue vehicles. Mhm jhad jeeps guys are quite fun actually its ether is the tanks sees you and it shoots your remotes your dead and is not sometimes the tanks die what i mean bout sometimes is that i ran an lav and it dosent even blow up so the tanks just back up and shoot me see there a quick summery why jhad jeeps are to be keep Lone Wolf -Assault CK.0 Scout CK.0*

TEBOW BAGGINS Defenders of the Helghast Dream Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 1091	Posted - 2014.07.03 15:07:00 - [21] - Quote sounds like more of an issue with tacnet being it's worthless self. AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2979	Posted - 2014.07.03 15:13:00 - [22] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Rynoceros wrote: Harpyja wrote: suicided his LAV into my militia fit Neutron Blaster Madrugar You said it. I apologize for not having more intimate knowledge of what people use to run 8000 HP, super repped scrub loadouts. It's not super reps even more. Can't defend ourselves against proper AV anymore. We can't even fight back, you think that's fair? How about we give heavies the EHP of a medium suit and can only use Nova Knives. You can't fight back effectively nor can you defend yourself effectively. I actually think either blasters need to be un-nerfed or heavy reps need to be un-nerfed. We either need to be able to attack back or defend ourselves from AV. Currently I have to run with my tail between my legs because I can't do either. Was the blaster nerf that bad? I didn't think itwas all that bad! I can still hit people provided I don't just spray and pray like an overpayed action hero. You have plenty of EHP You have plenty of Damage from your large turret You have 2 light turret slots for greater accuracy if you need it And you have massive passive scan radius that picks up the LAV's for you! Really sounds like a sentinel with nova knives. More like a commando with a scanner and nova kinves! My suit's a bit rusty, but that could just as easily be me! Monkey Mac - Swinging from the Rooftops Forum Warrior Lvl2
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 4134	Posted - 2014.07.03 15:25:00 - [23] - Quote Harpyja wrote: stuff I can't disagree that the current situation with Vehicle Weaponry is totally ****** up. I know this is going to sound weird, but I have been working on thought: Large Turrets - Rails and Missiles ONLY Small Turrets - Blasters and Lasers ONLY Every HAV could run AV and anti-Infantry, provided that they had gunners. If you're solo in a HAV, you're relegated to AV. It would then require the assistance of a gunner(s) to tackle Infantry in CQC. (*Gotta go to work, will revisit later.) PSN: The_Rynoceros Destiny beta SoonGäó Console Master Race
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2979	Posted - 2014.07.03 15:25:00 - [24] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Why? It's easy to counter if you bring a rifle. The fact it barely happens should be enough. Instead let's stop tanks ramming all their teammates and their vehicles like spoilt little brats first eh? It's EXTREMELY easy to counter if you have a blaster gunner. Teamwork saves lives. You might say small blasters suck, but consider this: it has extremely high RoF and bad accuracy: that means your chance of a stray shot hitting (and detonating) an RE is extremely high. Yes but that is teamwork, the fact you can do it without a team member is what's important. Although if we want to by teamwork, you have an assortment infantry with you and they will take care of it for you, especially the AV one. My suit's a bit rusty, but that could just as easily be me! Monkey Mac - Swinging from the Rooftops Forum Warrior Lvl2
OliX PRZESMIEWCA Bezimienni... 134	Posted - 2014.07.03 15:26:00 - [25] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Now that AV can no longer complain that they are UP, there's no reason to use such a scrub tactic. Yesterday, the scrubiest player I came across suicided his LAV into my militia fit Neutron Blaster Madrugar (and killed me, though I shouldn't need to mention). Then later he came in with his Ion Cannon Madrugar. LOL just WOW. Later a blue missile tank ganked the sh*t out of him (I was about 5 seconds too late to do so with mine, so I saw it happen instead). But seriously now CCP, remove the ability to stick remotes to blue vehicles. Ok but we will change tanks as well. You will need to find gunner every time U order a tank, even for main cannon. I saw lots of tanks in real and most of them need 2-4 to operate. I think its crutch that You can be driver and gunner same time.
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 266	Posted - 2014.07.03 15:29:00 - [26] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Seymour KrelbornX wrote: Harpyja wrote: Now that AV can no longer complain that they are UP, there's no reason to use such a scrub tactic. Yesterday, the scrubiest player I came across suicided his LAV into my militia fit Neutron Blaster Madrugar (and killed me, though I shouldn't need to mention). Then later he came in with his Ion Cannon Madrugar. LOL just WOW. Later a blue missile tank ganked the sh*t out of him (I was about 5 seconds too late to do so with mine, so I saw it happen instead). But seriously now CCP, remove the ability to stick remotes to blue vehicles. I hate these "I don't like to be killed this way" threads.... who cares if you think its scrubby! it's an innovative tactic, especially for people who either don't have AV skilled, or want to send a message to the other team that tanks will not be permitted here. personally when I pull out av they just call another tank. but when I jihad them, they get the message and stay off my battlefield. Level 1 swarms. Level 1 AV grenades. True, I can't kill any tank, but I have a big shot against other tanks with similar investment. Completely doable, I killed two or three Sicas the first game after I got standard swarms a couple days ago. Also who says that anyone must be able to kill everyone? If a tanker is among the top, why should he be kill able? Balance shouldn't go around the top 1%. what ridiculous biased drivel.... balance is simply having a counter to every tactic... and we have that. you pull out a tank, I pull out a jihad jeep. you or anyone on your team shoot one remote on my lav I blow up and die and need to spend another minute or 2 spawning in reloading the jeep with remotes and driving to your location to possibly just blow up again before I get my target or successfully kill you...either way I die and cost my team a clone.... you tankers all think the only thing that should kill you is another tank and I've always countered with "then infantry should only be able to kill infantry" which is just how ridiculous you tankers sound... the fact is good tankers have always been good tankers. they top the boards at least 90% of the time and have some of the highest k/d win/loss and wp in the game. if you don't like getting killed by jihad jeeps then practice battle awareness... you can see them on radar, you can hear them, you can see them driving near you, and if you are squaded your team can also help provide you with battle field intel... just to humor you though I challenge you to tell me why jihad jeeps kills are less valid than other types of av kills.
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 201	Posted - 2014.07.03 15:37:00 - [27] - Quote It's also not about skill level. I have proto forges, and proto REs. Some situations, the forge is better, others RE's and I'm not even talking about the jeep What's the difference if I use a jeep or I run up behind you (cloaked or not, doesn't matter) jump on your hood, toss out 4 REs and then run away laughing in anticipation of your pending earth shattering kaboom? Nothing, except in my situation, my clone is likely still alive and you're dead. With the Jeep, at least we're both dead. I fly ADS, I drive tanks, I proto forge vehicles, I toss out proxies and REs and kill indiscriminately. I proto logi. There is no tactic beneath me in order to win the battle in any way necessary. You would rather kill differences because you don't like something. Why should your opinions effect other peoples play style?
Harpyja Legio DXIV 1991	Posted - 2014.07.03 15:41:00 - [28] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Harpyja wrote: Rynoceros wrote: Harpyja wrote: suicided his LAV into my militia fit Neutron Blaster Madrugar You said it. I apologize for not having more intimate knowledge of what people use to run 8000 HP, super repped scrub loadouts. It's not super reps even more. Can't defend ourselves against proper AV anymore. We can't even fight back, you think that's fair? How about we give heavies the EHP of a medium suit and can only use Nova Knives. You can't fight back effectively nor can you defend yourself effectively. I actually think either blasters need to be un-nerfed or heavy reps need to be un-nerfed. We either need to be able to attack back or defend ourselves from AV. Currently I have to run with my tail between my legs because I can't do either. Was the blaster nerf that bad? I didn't think itwas all that bad! I can still hit people provided I don't just spray and pray like an overpayed action hero. You have plenty of EHP You have plenty of Damage from your large turret You have 2 light turret slots for greater accuracy if you need it And you have massive passive scan radius that picks up the LAV's for you! Really sounds like a sentinel with nova knives. More like a commando with a scanner and nova kinves! Scan radius is only 10 meters! Blasters can only kill non-fat suits within 30 meters! Fat suits within 20 meters! 10 meters or under if you don't want to have to fire in three round bursts before dispersion gets too big! No effective way of dealing with proto AV because they can apply their damage long before you can start applying yours. Plenty of EHP? Yeah right. An Ishy Forge Gun can wipe out my 5300 unhardened shields in one clip as I'm trying to flee for cover so I don't waste my hardener. On a Madrugar it's worse. No hardener because it's crap and bonus damage to armor for forge guns. It is just like a heavy with Nova Knives. Can be lethal up close, but beyond that you're safe to apply damage. "By His light, and His will"- The Scriptures, 12:32 -- "Scouts should fart repeatedly while cloaked"- TechMechMeds
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3394	Posted - 2014.07.03 15:45:00 - [29] - Quote There is no issue with suicide LAV's. The guy who is doing it dies aswell so man up. Maybe you should get a tank with 3 turrets instead of just 1. 6 eyes see more then 2 except if you are gallente then you got 4.
Harpyja Legio DXIV 1991	Posted - 2014.07.03 15:45:00 - [30] - Quote RayRay James wrote: It's also not about skill level. I have proto forges, and proto REs. Some situations, the forge is better, others RE's and I'm not even talking about the jeep What's the difference if I use a jeep or I run up behind you (cloaked or not, doesn't matter) jump on your hood, toss out 4 REs and then run away laughing in anticipation of your pending earth shattering kaboom? Nothing, except in my situation, my clone is likely still alive and you're dead. With the Jeep, at least we're both dead. I fly ADS, I drive tanks, I proto forge vehicles, I toss out proxies and REs and kill indiscriminately. I proto logi. There is no tactic beneath me in order to win the battle in any way necessary. You would rather kill differences because you don't like something. Why should your opinions effect other peoples play style? It should be about skill level. If someone's not skilled enough to use AV to take me out, why should they have such a cheap tactic that grants an insta-kill? "By His light, and His will"- The Scriptures, 12:32 -- "Scouts should fart repeatedly while cloaked"- TechMechMeds



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