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Harpyja Legio DXIV 1991	Posted - 2014.07.03 14:17:00 - [1] - Quote Now that AV can no longer complain that they are UP, there's no reason to use such a scrub tactic. Yesterday, the scrubiest player I came across suicided his LAV into my militia fit Neutron Blaster Madrugar (and killed me, though I shouldn't need to mention). Then later he came in with his Ion Cannon Madrugar. LOL just WOW. Later a blue missile tank ganked the sh*t out of him (I was about 5 seconds too late to do so with mine, so I saw it happen instead). But seriously now CCP, remove the ability to stick remotes to blue vehicles. "By His light, and His will"- The Scriptures, 12:32 -- "Scouts should fart repeatedly while cloaked"- TechMechMeds
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1105	Posted - 2014.07.03 14:29:00 - [2] - Quote Duplicate thread. There's so many of those - and even recent ones. Won't repeat my posts here, go there instead: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2219142#post2219142 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2223651#post2223651 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2239961#post2239961 :-S
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2979	Posted - 2014.07.03 14:31:00 - [3] - Quote Why? It's easy to counter if you bring a rifle. The fact it barely happens should be enough. Instead let's stop tanks ramming all their teammates and their vehicles like spoilt little brats first eh? My suit's a bit rusty, but that could just as easily be me! Monkey Mac - Swinging from the Rooftops Forum Warrior Lvl2
Harpyja Legio DXIV 1991	Posted - 2014.07.03 14:32:00 - [4] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: Duplicate thread. There's so many of those - and even recent ones. Won't repeat my posts here, go there instead: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2219142#post2219142 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2223651#post2223651 I tried finding it but couldn't. I knew it existed but was unable to find it. "By His light, and His will"- The Scriptures, 12:32 -- "Scouts should fart repeatedly while cloaked"- TechMechMeds
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1105	Posted - 2014.07.03 14:34:00 - [5] - Quote Harpyja wrote: I tried finding it but couldn't. I knew it existed but was unable to find it. okay no probbiti. :-S
Atiim Fooly Cooly. 10149	Posted - 2014.07.03 14:35:00 - [6] - Quote Here we go again... AVers: The Most Persistent Playerbase in DUST 514 -HAND
Harpyja Legio DXIV 1991	Posted - 2014.07.03 14:37:00 - [7] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Why? It's easy to counter if you bring a rifle. The fact it barely happens should be enough. Instead let's stop tanks ramming all their teammates and their vehicles like spoilt little brats first eh? Bring a rifle? How's that going to help? My missile turret will do a better job. But that's if I spot them. But usually I only hear them within 10 meters and they're already up my ass and exploded by the time I can react. And yes they do occur frequently. I lost multiple tanks yesterday in different battles to suicide LAVs. Many other battles where I saw the usage of a suicide LAV so to reduce the risk of going ISK-negative (which is easy to do now, it's almost like we're back to 1.6) I switch to my Python so I can't get suicide LAV'ed. "By His light, and His will"- The Scriptures, 12:32 -- "Scouts should fart repeatedly while cloaked"- TechMechMeds
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 4133	Posted - 2014.07.03 14:38:00 - [8] - Quote Suicide LAV is scrubbier than a MLT Blaster HAV? Presumably in OMS? Pot, meet kettle. PSN: The_Rynoceros Destiny beta SoonGäó Console Master Race
Harpyja Legio DXIV 1991	Posted - 2014.07.03 14:40:00 - [9] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: Suicide LAV is scrubbier than a MLT Blaster HAV? Presumably in OMS? Pot, meet kettle. Read: Neutron blaster. That's advanced you scrub. And I don't play ambush. I play skirmish. "By His light, and His will"- The Scriptures, 12:32 -- "Scouts should fart repeatedly while cloaked"- TechMechMeds
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2979	Posted - 2014.07.03 14:41:00 - [10] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Why? It's easy to counter if you bring a rifle. The fact it barely happens should be enough. Instead let's stop tanks ramming all their teammates and their vehicles like spoilt little brats first eh? Bring a rifle? How's that going to help? My missile turret will do a better job. But that's if I spot them. But usually I only hear them within 10 meters and they're already up my ass and exploded by the time I can react. And yes they do occur frequently. I lost multiple tanks yesterday in different battles to suicide LAVs. Many other battles where I saw the usage of a suicide LAV so to reduce the risk of going ISK-negative (which is easy to do now, it's almost like we're back to 1.6) I switch to my Python so I can't get suicide LAV'ed. So sneaking up on you is not allowed then? Hmm? One second. My suit's a bit rusty, but that could just as easily be me! Monkey Mac - Swinging from the Rooftops Forum Warrior Lvl2

Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 4134	Posted - 2014.07.03 14:46:00 - [11] - Quote Harpyja wrote: suicided his LAV into my militia fit Neutron Blaster Madrugar You said it. I apologize for not having more intimate knowledge of what people use to run 8000 HP, super repped scrub loadouts. PSN: The_Rynoceros Destiny beta SoonGäó Console Master Race
Cpl Foster USMC The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 1056	Posted - 2014.07.03 14:46:00 - [12] - Quote Hairless Gorillas use Guerrilla Warfare. stop complaining about Valid Tactics and kill those bastards....you bastards
Harpyja Legio DXIV 1991	Posted - 2014.07.03 14:47:00 - [13] - Quote Atiim wrote: Here we go again... Except this time there's no reason anyone should defend suicide LAVs. AV is no longer UP. Now that they have no credible threat after large blasters were nerfed, they can go blasting at tanks and dropships. I might even say proto AV is a bit OP because there's no way to go up against them, but I'll stay out of that for now. Hell, a few days ago I finally got standard swarms on my infantry alt. First game, I took out two, or three Sicas. Same pilot though, but still shows it's doable. Shot two volleys at him as he approached me, threw my 2 AV grenades at him, then finished him with a final volley. Sure you might not call him the smartest pilot, but who says that everything needs to be balanced by the top players? I think there should be a small minority of players that make whatever they're using seem OP because they got skill. Stop complaining that you want to be able to kill the most experienced. Balance shouldn't be around them. I already see enough tanks destroyed in the killfeed by AV. "By His light, and His will"- The Scriptures, 12:32 -- "Scouts should fart repeatedly while cloaked"- TechMechMeds
Harpyja Legio DXIV 1991	Posted - 2014.07.03 14:51:00 - [14] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: Harpyja wrote: suicided his LAV into my militia fit Neutron Blaster Madrugar You said it. I apologize for not having more intimate knowledge of what people use to run 8000 HP, super repped scrub loadouts. It's not super reps even more. Can't defend ourselves against proper AV anymore. We can't even fight back, you think that's fair? How about we give heavies the EHP of a medium suit and can only use Nova Knives. You can't fight back effectively nor can you defend yourself effectively. I actually think either blasters need to be un-nerfed or heavy reps need to be un-nerfed. We either need to be able to attack back or defend ourselves from AV. Currently I have to run with my tail between my legs because I can't do either. "By His light, and His will"- The Scriptures, 12:32 -- "Scouts should fart repeatedly while cloaked"- TechMechMeds
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 264	Posted - 2014.07.03 14:55:00 - [15] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Now that AV can no longer complain that they are UP, there's no reason to use such a scrub tactic. Yesterday, the scrubiest player I came across suicided his LAV into my militia fit Neutron Blaster Madrugar (and killed me, though I shouldn't need to mention). Then later he came in with his Ion Cannon Madrugar. LOL just WOW. Later a blue missile tank ganked the sh*t out of him (I was about 5 seconds too late to do so with mine, so I saw it happen instead). But seriously now CCP, remove the ability to stick remotes to blue vehicles. I hate these "I don't like to be killed this way" threads.... who cares if you think its scrubby! it's an innovative tactic, especially for people who either don't have AV skilled, or want to send a message to the other team that tanks will not be permitted here. personally when I pull out av they just call another tank. but when I jihad them, they get the message and stay off my battlefield.
Harpyja Legio DXIV 1991	Posted - 2014.07.03 14:59:00 - [16] - Quote Seymour KrelbornX wrote: Harpyja wrote: Now that AV can no longer complain that they are UP, there's no reason to use such a scrub tactic. Yesterday, the scrubiest player I came across suicided his LAV into my militia fit Neutron Blaster Madrugar (and killed me, though I shouldn't need to mention). Then later he came in with his Ion Cannon Madrugar. LOL just WOW. Later a blue missile tank ganked the sh*t out of him (I was about 5 seconds too late to do so with mine, so I saw it happen instead). But seriously now CCP, remove the ability to stick remotes to blue vehicles. I hate these "I don't like to be killed this way" threads.... who cares if you think its scrubby! it's an innovative tactic, especially for people who either don't have AV skilled, or want to send a message to the other team that tanks will not be permitted here. personally when I pull out av they just call another tank. but when I jihad them, they get the message and stay off my battlefield. Level 1 swarms. Level 1 AV grenades. True, I can't kill any tank, but I have a big shot against other tanks with similar investment. Completely doable, I killed two or three Sicas the first game after I got standard swarms a couple days ago. Also who says that anyone must be able to kill everyone? If a tanker is among the top, why should he be kill able? Balance shouldn't go around the top 1%. "By His light, and His will"- The Scriptures, 12:32 -- "Scouts should fart repeatedly while cloaked"- TechMechMeds
Scheneighnay McBob Cult of Gasai 5548	Posted - 2014.07.03 15:00:00 - [17] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Why? It's easy to counter if you bring a rifle. The fact it barely happens should be enough. Instead let's stop tanks ramming all their teammates and their vehicles like spoilt little brats first eh? It's EXTREMELY easy to counter if you have a blaster gunner. Teamwork saves lives. You might say small blasters suck, but consider this: it has extremely high RoF and bad accuracy: that means your chance of a stray shot hitting (and detonating) an RE is extremely high. pé¦pâ+pé¦pâ½pâäpâ¬pâ¦pé¦pâ¼pâ+pâêpü»sñ¬S+ïpéè
Benjamin Ciscko The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance 2420	Posted - 2014.07.03 15:02:00 - [18] - Quote So many scrubs trying to defend a crutch. Tanker/Logi 0 The number of 7ucks given
Harpyja Legio DXIV 1991	Posted - 2014.07.03 15:03:00 - [19] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: So many scrubs trying to defend a crutch. Says the crutch user. Also I must say that suicide LAVs are crutches. If you suck enough at AV, there's always the suicide LAV to save the day! "By His light, and His will"- The Scriptures, 12:32 -- "Scouts should fart repeatedly while cloaked"- TechMechMeds
pa ck G.L.O.R.Y Dark Taboo 45	Posted - 2014.07.03 15:07:00 - [20] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Now that AV can no longer complain that they are UP, there's no reason to use such a scrub tactic. Yesterday, the scrubiest player I came across suicided his LAV into my militia fit Neutron Blaster Madrugar (and killed me, though I shouldn't need to mention). Then later he came in with his Ion Cannon Madrugar. LOL just WOW. Later a blue missile tank ganked the sht out of him (I was about 5 seconds too late to do so with mine, so I saw it happen instead). But seriously now CCP, remove the ability to stick remotes to blue vehicles. Mhm jhad jeeps guys are quite fun actually its ether is the tanks sees you and it shoots your remotes your dead and is not sometimes the tanks die what i mean bout sometimes is that i ran an lav and it dosent even blow up so the tanks just back up and shoot me see there a quick summery why jhad jeeps are to be keep Lone Wolf -Assault CK.0 Scout CK.0*

TEBOW BAGGINS Defenders of the Helghast Dream Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 1091	Posted - 2014.07.03 15:07:00 - [21] - Quote sounds like more of an issue with tacnet being it's worthless self. AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2979	Posted - 2014.07.03 15:13:00 - [22] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Rynoceros wrote: Harpyja wrote: suicided his LAV into my militia fit Neutron Blaster Madrugar You said it. I apologize for not having more intimate knowledge of what people use to run 8000 HP, super repped scrub loadouts. It's not super reps even more. Can't defend ourselves against proper AV anymore. We can't even fight back, you think that's fair? How about we give heavies the EHP of a medium suit and can only use Nova Knives. You can't fight back effectively nor can you defend yourself effectively. I actually think either blasters need to be un-nerfed or heavy reps need to be un-nerfed. We either need to be able to attack back or defend ourselves from AV. Currently I have to run with my tail between my legs because I can't do either. Was the blaster nerf that bad? I didn't think itwas all that bad! I can still hit people provided I don't just spray and pray like an overpayed action hero. You have plenty of EHP You have plenty of Damage from your large turret You have 2 light turret slots for greater accuracy if you need it And you have massive passive scan radius that picks up the LAV's for you! Really sounds like a sentinel with nova knives. More like a commando with a scanner and nova kinves! My suit's a bit rusty, but that could just as easily be me! Monkey Mac - Swinging from the Rooftops Forum Warrior Lvl2
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 4134	Posted - 2014.07.03 15:25:00 - [23] - Quote Harpyja wrote: stuff I can't disagree that the current situation with Vehicle Weaponry is totally ****** up. I know this is going to sound weird, but I have been working on thought: Large Turrets - Rails and Missiles ONLY Small Turrets - Blasters and Lasers ONLY Every HAV could run AV and anti-Infantry, provided that they had gunners. If you're solo in a HAV, you're relegated to AV. It would then require the assistance of a gunner(s) to tackle Infantry in CQC. (*Gotta go to work, will revisit later.) PSN: The_Rynoceros Destiny beta SoonGäó Console Master Race
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2979	Posted - 2014.07.03 15:25:00 - [24] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Why? It's easy to counter if you bring a rifle. The fact it barely happens should be enough. Instead let's stop tanks ramming all their teammates and their vehicles like spoilt little brats first eh? It's EXTREMELY easy to counter if you have a blaster gunner. Teamwork saves lives. You might say small blasters suck, but consider this: it has extremely high RoF and bad accuracy: that means your chance of a stray shot hitting (and detonating) an RE is extremely high. Yes but that is teamwork, the fact you can do it without a team member is what's important. Although if we want to by teamwork, you have an assortment infantry with you and they will take care of it for you, especially the AV one. My suit's a bit rusty, but that could just as easily be me! Monkey Mac - Swinging from the Rooftops Forum Warrior Lvl2
OliX PRZESMIEWCA Bezimienni... 134	Posted - 2014.07.03 15:26:00 - [25] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Now that AV can no longer complain that they are UP, there's no reason to use such a scrub tactic. Yesterday, the scrubiest player I came across suicided his LAV into my militia fit Neutron Blaster Madrugar (and killed me, though I shouldn't need to mention). Then later he came in with his Ion Cannon Madrugar. LOL just WOW. Later a blue missile tank ganked the sh*t out of him (I was about 5 seconds too late to do so with mine, so I saw it happen instead). But seriously now CCP, remove the ability to stick remotes to blue vehicles. Ok but we will change tanks as well. You will need to find gunner every time U order a tank, even for main cannon. I saw lots of tanks in real and most of them need 2-4 to operate. I think its crutch that You can be driver and gunner same time.
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 266	Posted - 2014.07.03 15:29:00 - [26] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Seymour KrelbornX wrote: Harpyja wrote: Now that AV can no longer complain that they are UP, there's no reason to use such a scrub tactic. Yesterday, the scrubiest player I came across suicided his LAV into my militia fit Neutron Blaster Madrugar (and killed me, though I shouldn't need to mention). Then later he came in with his Ion Cannon Madrugar. LOL just WOW. Later a blue missile tank ganked the sh*t out of him (I was about 5 seconds too late to do so with mine, so I saw it happen instead). But seriously now CCP, remove the ability to stick remotes to blue vehicles. I hate these "I don't like to be killed this way" threads.... who cares if you think its scrubby! it's an innovative tactic, especially for people who either don't have AV skilled, or want to send a message to the other team that tanks will not be permitted here. personally when I pull out av they just call another tank. but when I jihad them, they get the message and stay off my battlefield. Level 1 swarms. Level 1 AV grenades. True, I can't kill any tank, but I have a big shot against other tanks with similar investment. Completely doable, I killed two or three Sicas the first game after I got standard swarms a couple days ago. Also who says that anyone must be able to kill everyone? If a tanker is among the top, why should he be kill able? Balance shouldn't go around the top 1%. what ridiculous biased drivel.... balance is simply having a counter to every tactic... and we have that. you pull out a tank, I pull out a jihad jeep. you or anyone on your team shoot one remote on my lav I blow up and die and need to spend another minute or 2 spawning in reloading the jeep with remotes and driving to your location to possibly just blow up again before I get my target or successfully kill you...either way I die and cost my team a clone.... you tankers all think the only thing that should kill you is another tank and I've always countered with "then infantry should only be able to kill infantry" which is just how ridiculous you tankers sound... the fact is good tankers have always been good tankers. they top the boards at least 90% of the time and have some of the highest k/d win/loss and wp in the game. if you don't like getting killed by jihad jeeps then practice battle awareness... you can see them on radar, you can hear them, you can see them driving near you, and if you are squaded your team can also help provide you with battle field intel... just to humor you though I challenge you to tell me why jihad jeeps kills are less valid than other types of av kills.
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 201	Posted - 2014.07.03 15:37:00 - [27] - Quote It's also not about skill level. I have proto forges, and proto REs. Some situations, the forge is better, others RE's and I'm not even talking about the jeep What's the difference if I use a jeep or I run up behind you (cloaked or not, doesn't matter) jump on your hood, toss out 4 REs and then run away laughing in anticipation of your pending earth shattering kaboom? Nothing, except in my situation, my clone is likely still alive and you're dead. With the Jeep, at least we're both dead. I fly ADS, I drive tanks, I proto forge vehicles, I toss out proxies and REs and kill indiscriminately. I proto logi. There is no tactic beneath me in order to win the battle in any way necessary. You would rather kill differences because you don't like something. Why should your opinions effect other peoples play style?
Harpyja Legio DXIV 1991	Posted - 2014.07.03 15:41:00 - [28] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Harpyja wrote: Rynoceros wrote: Harpyja wrote: suicided his LAV into my militia fit Neutron Blaster Madrugar You said it. I apologize for not having more intimate knowledge of what people use to run 8000 HP, super repped scrub loadouts. It's not super reps even more. Can't defend ourselves against proper AV anymore. We can't even fight back, you think that's fair? How about we give heavies the EHP of a medium suit and can only use Nova Knives. You can't fight back effectively nor can you defend yourself effectively. I actually think either blasters need to be un-nerfed or heavy reps need to be un-nerfed. We either need to be able to attack back or defend ourselves from AV. Currently I have to run with my tail between my legs because I can't do either. Was the blaster nerf that bad? I didn't think itwas all that bad! I can still hit people provided I don't just spray and pray like an overpayed action hero. You have plenty of EHP You have plenty of Damage from your large turret You have 2 light turret slots for greater accuracy if you need it And you have massive passive scan radius that picks up the LAV's for you! Really sounds like a sentinel with nova knives. More like a commando with a scanner and nova kinves! Scan radius is only 10 meters! Blasters can only kill non-fat suits within 30 meters! Fat suits within 20 meters! 10 meters or under if you don't want to have to fire in three round bursts before dispersion gets too big! No effective way of dealing with proto AV because they can apply their damage long before you can start applying yours. Plenty of EHP? Yeah right. An Ishy Forge Gun can wipe out my 5300 unhardened shields in one clip as I'm trying to flee for cover so I don't waste my hardener. On a Madrugar it's worse. No hardener because it's crap and bonus damage to armor for forge guns. It is just like a heavy with Nova Knives. Can be lethal up close, but beyond that you're safe to apply damage. "By His light, and His will"- The Scriptures, 12:32 -- "Scouts should fart repeatedly while cloaked"- TechMechMeds
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3394	Posted - 2014.07.03 15:45:00 - [29] - Quote There is no issue with suicide LAV's. The guy who is doing it dies aswell so man up. Maybe you should get a tank with 3 turrets instead of just 1. 6 eyes see more then 2 except if you are gallente then you got 4.
Harpyja Legio DXIV 1991	Posted - 2014.07.03 15:45:00 - [30] - Quote RayRay James wrote: It's also not about skill level. I have proto forges, and proto REs. Some situations, the forge is better, others RE's and I'm not even talking about the jeep What's the difference if I use a jeep or I run up behind you (cloaked or not, doesn't matter) jump on your hood, toss out 4 REs and then run away laughing in anticipation of your pending earth shattering kaboom? Nothing, except in my situation, my clone is likely still alive and you're dead. With the Jeep, at least we're both dead. I fly ADS, I drive tanks, I proto forge vehicles, I toss out proxies and REs and kill indiscriminately. I proto logi. There is no tactic beneath me in order to win the battle in any way necessary. You would rather kill differences because you don't like something. Why should your opinions effect other peoples play style? It should be about skill level. If someone's not skilled enough to use AV to take me out, why should they have such a cheap tactic that grants an insta-kill? "By His light, and His will"- The Scriptures, 12:32 -- "Scouts should fart repeatedly while cloaked"- TechMechMeds

Harpyja Legio DXIV 1991	Posted - 2014.07.03 15:46:00 - [31] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: There is no issue with suicide LAV's. The guy who is doing it dies aswell so man up. Maybe you should get a tank with 3 turrets instead of just 1. 6 eyes see more then 2 except if you are gallente then you got 4. Then riddle me this: if it takes two people (driver and gunner) to kill a threat, then why can one person kill a tank? "By His light, and His will"- The Scriptures, 12:32 -- "Scouts should fart repeatedly while cloaked"- TechMechMeds
Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 3937	Posted - 2014.07.03 16:07:00 - [32] - Quote 'Innovative tactic'. Maybe I'll go roadkilling. That's an 'innovative tactic' too. Can I have my Charybdis back? I used it 'innovatively'. Or maybe you can just increase my Ishukone Saga's collision damage infinitely like it used to be. Then I can 'innovatively' crush your protosuit. It's easy to counter! All you have to do is shoot at it with a swarm launcher! You know what? I would have no problem with jihad jeeps if they weren't ENTIRELY FREE. They have, for a significant portion of the community, ZERO COST. I was fine with it when AV was gimped. I welcomed it while AV was gimped. (Eventually.) Now? AV is fine. I soloed four tanks today with my DAU and EX-11s. It's not hard to kill a tank with AV, any AV. There is no place for this tactic in the game as it currently stands. CCP Rattati Best Dev AmLogi 5 GÇó AmAss 5 GÇó AmSent 4 GÇó CalScout 5 CalLogi, you're next!
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 201	Posted - 2014.07.03 16:12:00 - [33] - Quote Harpyja wrote: RayRay James wrote: It's also not about skill level. I have proto forges, and proto REs. Some situations, the forge is better, others RE's and I'm not even talking about the jeep What's the difference if I use a jeep or I run up behind you (cloaked or not, doesn't matter) jump on your hood, toss out 4 REs and then run away laughing in anticipation of your pending earth shattering kaboom? Nothing, except in my situation, my clone is likely still alive and you're dead. With the Jeep, at least we're both dead. I fly ADS, I drive tanks, I proto forge vehicles, I toss out proxies and REs and kill indiscriminately. I proto logi. There is no tactic beneath me in order to win the battle in any way necessary. You would rather kill differences because you don't like something. Why should your opinions effect other peoples play style? It should be about skill level. If someone's not skilled enough to use AV to take me out, why should they have such a cheap tactic that grants an insta-kill? It IS AV, that's the thing. It's just a certain way of applying it. There's no difference to me running up and putting REs on you or running REs into you with a jeep except in one situation, I actually get to live. edit: Pssst. I don't live driving the jeep
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 201	Posted - 2014.07.03 16:14:00 - [34] - Quote Harpyja wrote: The dark cloud wrote: There is no issue with suicide LAV's. The guy who is doing it dies aswell so man up. Maybe you should get a tank with 3 turrets instead of just 1. 6 eyes see more then 2 except if you are gallente then you got 4. Then riddle me this: if it takes two people (driver and gunner) to kill a threat, then why can one person kill a tank? I can solo a tank with a pro forge gun, should I be nerfed too? Also, did you really complain that a forge gun can deplete you shields with 4 shots? not kill you, DEPLETE YOUR SHIELDS? Good God man, grow a pair.
Harpyja Legio DXIV 1991	Posted - 2014.07.03 16:24:00 - [35] - Quote RayRay James wrote: Harpyja wrote: The dark cloud wrote: There is no issue with suicide LAV's. The guy who is doing it dies aswell so man up. Maybe you should get a tank with 3 turrets instead of just 1. 6 eyes see more then 2 except if you are gallente then you got 4. Then riddle me this: if it takes two people (driver and gunner) to kill a threat, then why can one person kill a tank? I can solo a tank with a pro forge gun, should I be nerfed too? Also, did you really complain that a forge gun can deplete you shields with 4 shots? not kill you, DEPLETE YOUR SHIELDS? Good God man, grow a pair. I'm good as dead if my shields are depleted. Proto AV feels a bit OP actually now that blaster tanks can't go toe to toe with them. "By His light, and His will"- The Scriptures, 12:32 -- "Scouts should fart repeatedly while cloaked"- TechMechMeds
Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 3938	Posted - 2014.07.03 16:28:00 - [36] - Quote RayRay James wrote: Harpyja wrote: The dark cloud wrote: There is no issue with suicide LAV's. The guy who is doing it dies aswell so man up. Maybe you should get a tank with 3 turrets instead of just 1. 6 eyes see more then 2 except if you are gallente then you got 4. Then riddle me this: if it takes two people (driver and gunner) to kill a threat, then why can one person kill a tank? I can solo a tank with a pro forge gun, should I be nerfed too? Also, did you really complain that a forge gun can deplete you shields with 4 shots? not kill you, DEPLETE YOUR SHIELDS? Good God man, grow a pair. Yes. My EHP-fit Gunnlogi, with resistances to forge guns, can be stripped of shields in a single magazine from an AFG. With a friend, I'm dead in moments. Without one, surviving is a matter of skill. It's not particularly difficult to land hits on a tank, and AFG's damage is enormous. And I've noticed recently that I'm not the only one switching to my FG when there are tanks on the field anymore. It takes no more than a minute of time, and that tank is destroyed. Recently I run with a MinMando who carries swarms in his secondary slot. Tanks do not survive. We run ISK-positive. We don't need to use scrub tactics including but not limited to: non-rendering swarms (yes it's still possible if you know how) and Jihad Jeeping. I'd also like to emphasise that NONE OF OUR COMPLAINTS STEM FROM BEING SOLOED. Our complaints are specifically about the zero-ISK, high-success rate, zero-skill strategy that is Jihad Jeeping. CCP Rattati Best Dev AmLogi 5 GÇó AmAss 5 GÇó AmSent 4 GÇó CalScout 5 CalLogi, you're next!
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 201	Posted - 2014.07.03 16:45:00 - [37] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Our complaints are specifically about the zero-ISK, high-success rate, zero-skill strategy that is Jihad Jeeping. Wow, for a second there, I though we had switched subjects to militia tanks I'll tell you what, get CCP to make it so a full batch of proxies kills a tank (hardened or not) and I'll consider your request valid for the removal of jihad jeeps. I won't agree with it, but I'll concede.
Derpty Derp It's All Gone Derp 201	Posted - 2014.07.03 16:51:00 - [38] - Quote I'm defending the jihad jeep, it's fun to do and it's fun to defend against... Removing perfectly balanced tactics is a bad plan... You seriously just said you didn't hear him until he hit you, just be more aware... If 3 forge gunners sneak up on you you're just as boned.
Mauren NOON The Exemplars Top Men. 336	Posted - 2014.07.03 16:53:00 - [39] - Quote If it really is "not needed" anymore..tell me why Duna still goes upwards of 30-0 most matches....jihading stops the I win button tankers from doing this. Or does that ruin tankers dreams of having a K/D of 100? Tankers can kill a few, run away from AV, and do it over again...can't easily run from jihad jeeps Scr and commando enthusiast. A commando is not just a suit, but a way of life... "The only thing to fear is fear itself"
Takahashi Kashuken Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 87	Posted - 2014.07.03 16:53:00 - [40] - Quote Wont happen because it would be a buff to vehicles and we all know CCP loves infantry I would like to say you can defend yourself with the large turret but missiles are slow with no splash and you need a direct hit, rails fire slower and overheat alot faster while you cant turn the turret faster and the blaster well cant hit anything anymore unless you are within 20m of it which is pointless since a fatman with a HMG has more range and accuracy So then that leaves you to always have a secondary gunner in your vehicle that is if you can fit the turret without having to give up tank/damage or something else you use and even then the small rail still OH, missiles are slow and blaster has no range or accuracy which then ends up you always needing someone on if you want to tank

CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 1236	Posted - 2014.07.03 16:55:00 - [41] - Quote There is nothing wrong with LAV`s loaded with remotes. Working as intended. As a tanker all you have to do is be aware of your surroundings and 99% of the time you only have to clip a few shouts into that LAV and it will explode anyway. Now collision damage on the other hand needs to be reworked for all vehicles. If a tank hits a tank going full speed, some damage should be done. Also if a LAV or Dropship only just touches something going 10-20 miles per hour then it should NOT instantly evaporate and explode. MY LIFE FOR AIUR! You gonna' give me orders? Bluurglleezerrgllee
DontChimpOut Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2014.07.03 17:04:00 - [42] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Now that AV can no longer complain that they are UP, there's no reason to use such a scrub tactic. Yesterday, the scrubiest player I came across suicided his LAV into my militia fit Neutron Blaster Madrugar (and killed me, though I shouldn't need to mention). Then later he came in with his Ion Cannon Madrugar. LOL just WOW. Later a blue missile tank ganked the sh*t out of him (I was about 5 seconds too late to do so with mine, so I saw it happen instead). But seriously now CCP, remove the ability to stick remotes to blue vehicles. I knew the REs sticking to everything would be working as intended when it was first reported on here. I know it with every fiber of my being. It's here to stay, and they're not going to get rid of it.
taxi bastard Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 136	Posted - 2014.07.03 17:12:00 - [43] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Bring a rifle? How's that going to help? My missile turret will do a better job. But that's if I spot them. But usually I only hear them within 10 meters and they're already up my ass and exploded by the time I can react. i feel exactly the same when a tank comes up to me .....no data on the tacnet when you guys should be glowing red far before you reach me . as a tanker this benefits you alot more than it punishes you
Tectonic Fusion 1839	Posted - 2014.07.03 17:27:00 - [44] - Quote Cpl Foster USMC wrote: Hairless Gorillas use Guerrilla Warfare. I ain't no Gorilla.
Tectonic Fusion 1839	Posted - 2014.07.03 17:29:00 - [45] - Quote It's like using the breach shotgun. It works if you flank...but if you don't...you die.
DontChimpOut Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2014.07.03 17:31:00 - [46] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: There is nothing wrong with LAV`s loaded with remotes. Working as intended. As a tanker all you have to do is be aware of your surroundings and 99% of the time you only have to clip a few shouts into that LAV and it will explode anyway. Now collision damage on the other hand needs to be reworked for all vehicles. If a tank hits a tank going full speed, some damage should be done. Also if a LAV or Dropship only just touches something going 10-20 miles per hour then it should NOT instantly evaporate and explode. Lol You speak as if from experience. Bugger off
Powerh8er The Rainbow Effect Dirt Nap Squad. 464	Posted - 2014.07.03 17:48:00 - [47] - Quote Im a tank pilot too now and i dont really see the big problem with jihad jeeps. Its a valid tactic, but not very effective.
Will Driver Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 99	Posted - 2014.07.03 17:52:00 - [48] - Quote No. What makes jihad jeeps scrubbier than any other tactic? And Just because swarms can take out a militia tank with a bad driver, doesn't mean swarms are OP. God forbid Tankers are mortal, and have to develop some situational awareness like everyone else, and can't just camp in one spot for the entire match. Stop complaining and get good. Believe me, it's still difficult to take out good tankers with L5 prof. proto swarms in my Min Commando (ADS are also still difficult). LAVs, militia tanks and Incubi are tasty treats, though, as they should be. GÇ£Creativity is knowing how to hide your sourcesGÇ¥ GÇò Albert Einstein
calvin b Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1688	Posted - 2014.07.03 18:09:00 - [49] - Quote The BLAV must stay it keeps scrub militia tank users from running over the infantry. BLAV takes skill to navigate the battlefield that is currently infested with tanks and ADS while focusing on one target while taking ones life for others to live is the greatest sacrifice. Closed Beta Vet and Heavy, so no I am not FOTM I am an Antique
Harpyja Legio DXIV 1991	Posted - 2014.07.03 18:35:00 - [50] - Quote calvin b wrote: The BLAV must stay it keeps scrub militia tank users from running over the infantry. BLAV takes skill to navigate the battlefield that is currently infested with tanks and ADS while focusing on one target while taking ones life for others to live is the greatest sacrifice. Tanks can no longer "run over infantry" since blasters were nerfed. AV is more than capable of destroying tanks now and LOL @ skill. Yeah, pushing the left stick around and crashing into a tank sure takes a lot of skill. "By His light, and His will"- The Scriptures, 12:32 -- "Scouts should fart repeatedly while cloaked"- TechMechMeds

Zelda Harkinian Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 20	Posted - 2014.07.03 18:41:00 - [51] - Quote I like suicide jeeps. Dust is supposed to be an open -sand box shooter so I love it when I see things that are a result of players thinking outside the box. Suicide Jeeps, Logis with Cloaks, a sentinal hopped up on myofibrils, Dropships as makeshift barricades. Also, we're clones. our lives are expendable, so a suicide jeep seems very fitting, both gameplay-wise and lore-wise...
Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 3942	Posted - 2014.07.03 18:42:00 - [52] - Quote Zelda Harkinian wrote: I like suicide jeeps. Dust is supposed to be an open -sand box shooter so I love it when I see things that are a result of players thinking outside the box. Suicide Jeeps, Logis with Cloaks, a sentinal hopped up on myofibrils, Dropships as makeshift barricades. Also, we're clones. our lives are expendable, so a suicide jeep seems very fitting, both gameplay-wise and lore-wise... They're practically free, and exceedingly difficult to counter. This is the inherent problem with them. CCP Rattati Best Dev AmLogi 5 GÇó AmAss 5 GÇó AmSent 4 GÇó CalScout 5 CalLogi, you're next!
Rowdy Railgunner Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 419	Posted - 2014.07.03 19:03:00 - [53] - Quote I use jihad jeeps in PC matches. If you don't like it then quit, it is a valid tactic.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 3061	Posted - 2014.07.03 19:19:00 - [54] - Quote Seymour KrelbornX wrote: Harpyja wrote: Now that AV can no longer complain that they are UP, there's no reason to use such a scrub tactic. Yesterday, the scrubiest player I came across suicided his LAV into my militia fit Neutron Blaster Madrugar (and killed me, though I shouldn't need to mention). Then later he came in with his Ion Cannon Madrugar. LOL just WOW. Later a blue missile tank ganked the sh*t out of him (I was about 5 seconds too late to do so with mine, so I saw it happen instead). But seriously now CCP, remove the ability to stick remotes to blue vehicles. I hate these "I don't like to be killed this way" threads.... who cares if you think its scrubby! it's an innovative tactic, especially for people who either don't have AV skilled, or want to send a message to the other team that tanks will not be permitted here. personally when I pull out av they just call another tank. but when I jihad them, they get the message and stay off my battlefield. Hear that guys, Harpy killed some militia tanks so obviously AV is OP never mind that most tank drivers are terrible scrubs that cant play which is why they are in tanks in the first place Also gotta love the "Waaaah my large blaster turret has dispersion and I dont know how to burst fire to kill" If thats overly difficult theres this new thing called a small turret that does wonders against infantry but that might throw off your own militia fit tank eh
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2987	Posted - 2014.07.03 19:27:00 - [55] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: RayRay James wrote: Harpyja wrote: The dark cloud wrote: There is no issue with suicide LAV's. The guy who is doing it dies aswell so man up. Maybe you should get a tank with 3 turrets instead of just 1. 6 eyes see more then 2 except if you are gallente then you got 4. Then riddle me this: if it takes two people (driver and gunner) to kill a threat, then why can one person kill a tank? I can solo a tank with a pro forge gun, should I be nerfed too? Also, did you really complain that a forge gun can deplete you shields with 4 shots? not kill you, DEPLETE YOUR SHIELDS? Good God man, grow a pair. Yes. My EHP-fit Gunnlogi, with resistances to forge guns, can be stripped of shields in a single magazine from an AFG. With a friend, I'm dead in moments. Without one, surviving is a matter of skill. It's not particularly difficult to land hits on a tank, and AFG's damage is enormous. And I've noticed recently that I'm not the only one switching to my FG when there are tanks on the field anymore. It takes no more than a minute of time, and that tank is destroyed. Recently I run with a MinMando who carries swarms in his secondary slot. Tanks do not survive. We run ISK-positive. We don't need to use scrub tactics including but not limited to: non-rendering swarms (yes it's still possible if you know how) and Jihad Jeeping. I'd also like to emphasise that NONE OF OUR COMPLAINTS STEM FROM BEING SOLOED. Our complaints are specifically about the zero-ISK, high-success rate, zero-skill strategy that is Jihad Jeeping. Zero-ISK - BUSTED - 30,000 LAV, 12,000 Dropsuit, 10,000 RE's and that is litterally if it is fit only to permit Lav Bombing. High-Success Rate - BUSTED - Have you tried Lav Bombing? Actually doing it and not just succeeding a half dozen times and decoding that makes it OP RE's Sniped RE's Shot RE's Clip invisible terrain Proximity explosives Stray Locus Grenade 1x AV Grenade 1x Plasma Cannon Shot 1x Railgun Shot 1x Missile (Both Turret sizes) Using a shield Repper just before contact Being hardened on contact Travelling too slow Target in enclosed space Target running over vehicle Target getting out of vehicle amd shooting HMG Swarm launcher (No word of lie) RE's clipped cloaked scout Brick Walls Lamposts Stairs Turret Installations Orbitals Enemy vehicle exploding in close proximty Friendly vehicle exploding in close proximity Target hiding behind corner Target outrunning you (impact too slow) Installation dropping in close proximity Target being in redline Target being in 'off-road' terrain Being Rodeoed (A LAV Bomb, bombing your LAV Bomb) Being Chased by enemy LAV with gunner Being Pit Manouvered by Enemy LAV All of these can/have and will cause a LAV Bomb to fail. It's only high success if you 1) Sit in a relatively stationary position (moving no more than 50-100m) 2) Sitting in the Middle of Long Paved Open Stretch of Road 3) Playing a tank like it is still overpowered Skillless? - Plausible - But so is tanking, Sniping, Aim Assist using, FOTM chasing, using explosives, using hitscan, using cloaks, using HMG, using sentinel suits. It kills you and if you are paying attention, rather quickly, therefore as far you will ever be concerned it is skilless. My suit's a bit rusty, but that could just as easily be me! Monkey Mac - Swinging from the Rooftops Forum Warrior Lvl2
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 205	Posted - 2014.07.03 19:29:00 - [56] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Zelda Harkinian wrote: I like suicide jeeps. Dust is supposed to be an open -sand box shooter so I love it when I see things that are a result of players thinking outside the box. Suicide Jeeps, Logis with Cloaks, a sentinal hopped up on myofibrils, Dropships as makeshift barricades. Also, we're clones. our lives are expendable, so a suicide jeep seems very fitting, both gameplay-wise and lore-wise... They're practically free, and exceedingly difficult to counter. This is the inherent problem with them. I'm not so sure, I've been blown up many a time (back in the day) when driving Jihad. It only takes one bullet hitting any of the 4-6 REs on your truck to turn you into a paint smear.
Tectonic Fusion 1841	Posted - 2014.07.03 20:03:00 - [57] - Quote Idk whenever I see a johad LAV I shoot all around him and he dies so...it's pretty easy unless all of the are on ONE side or underneath the LAV (which takes skill to do btw).
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 280	Posted - 2014.07.03 20:38:00 - [58] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: So many scrubs trying to defend a crutch. Says the crutch user. Also I must say that suicide LAVs are crutches. If you suck enough at AV, there's always the suicide LAV to save the day! how many successful jihad runs have you done? you call it a crutch, but I know 1st hand that against a skilled tanker I die 2 or 3 times before I can even get close to them... and some tankers never... was only ever able to get duna once... just because you don't like the tactic doesn't make it a crutch....
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 280	Posted - 2014.07.03 20:41:00 - [59] - Quote Harpyja wrote: RayRay James wrote: It's also not about skill level. I have proto forges, and proto REs. Some situations, the forge is better, others RE's and I'm not even talking about the jeep What's the difference if I use a jeep or I run up behind you (cloaked or not, doesn't matter) jump on your hood, toss out 4 REs and then run away laughing in anticipation of your pending earth shattering kaboom? Nothing, except in my situation, my clone is likely still alive and you're dead. With the Jeep, at least we're both dead. I fly ADS, I drive tanks, I proto forge vehicles, I toss out proxies and REs and kill indiscriminately. I proto logi. There is no tactic beneath me in order to win the battle in any way necessary. You would rather kill differences because you don't like something. Why should your opinions effect other peoples play style? It should be about skill level. If someone's not skilled enough to use AV to take me out, why should they have such a cheap tactic that grants an insta-kill? but it isn't an insta- kill... they have to get to you without dying and then hit you in the right spot, or you don't blow up you just fly over them, and hard enough.... its skill.
Eko Sol Strange Playings 517	Posted - 2014.07.03 21:00:00 - [60] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Now that AV can no longer complain that they are UP, there's no reason to use such a scrub tactic. Yesterday, the scrubiest player I came across suicided his LAV into my militia fit Neutron Blaster Madrugar (and killed me, though I shouldn't need to mention). Then later he came in with his Ion Cannon Madrugar. LOL just WOW. Later a blue missile tank ganked the sh*t out of him (I was about 5 seconds too late to do so with mine, so I saw it happen instead). But seriously now CCP, remove the ability to stick remotes to blue vehicles. I ran solo last night in a match where I was solo'ing AV multiple snipers, ADS's, DS's, tankers, and high ground rail rifles with no AV assistance whatsoever. It took more than 8 people to beat me up. I even used an incubus, it costed me 4 incubus that match. Twice I was crashed into. We also were clones. There were only 4 reds at the null at any given point. Every single thing they did was a valid tactic. The only one I dislike a great deal is the sniping from the mcc. I think it should be instant death. Other than that, it was all valid on their part. Plus it is a nice ego boost on what it takes to stop me bwahahaha. As far as LAV's are concerned you need some kind of infantry support as a tanker...period. Tankers should know that it is incredibly difficult to solo outside of the red. If I am running incubus and I feel like it won't work then I will consistently change to another strategy. If you refuse to do something else then the problem you are facing is your own. PSN is "Ekopalm" Playing: Murdered Soul Suspect WIP: Child of Light, MGS5 Welcome to play with me anytime, message me.

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 11549	Posted - 2014.07.03 21:06:00 - [61] - Quote Zelda Harkinian wrote: I like suicide jeeps. Dust is supposed to be an open -sand box shooter so I love it when I see things that are a result of players thinking outside the box. Suicide Jeeps, Logis with Cloaks, a sentinal hopped up on myofibrils, Dropships as makeshift barricades. Also, we're clones. our lives are expendable, so a suicide jeep seems very fitting, both gameplay-wise and lore-wise... Let me know when I can crash me RE'd up Tormentor into Titans okay bro. *"I watched you. From candle to a torch you grew. I'll always remember those days with great affection." - Satja Askarin
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 11549	Posted - 2014.07.03 21:08:00 - [62] - Quote Eko Sol wrote: As far as LAV's are concerned you need some kind of infantry support as a tanker...period. Tankers should know that it is incredibly difficult to solo outside of the red. YES! YES WE DO! But hell during this current iteration of HAV we don't have to...... we also have no role.... I wish we did. *"I watched you. From candle to a torch you grew. I'll always remember those days with great affection." - Satja Askarin
Zelda Harkinian Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 24	Posted - 2014.07.03 21:35:00 - [63] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Zelda Harkinian wrote: I like suicide jeeps. Dust is supposed to be an open -sand box shooter so I love it when I see things that are a result of players thinking outside the box. Suicide Jeeps, Logis with Cloaks, a sentinal hopped up on myofibrils, Dropships as makeshift barricades. Also, we're clones. our lives are expendable, so a suicide jeep seems very fitting, both gameplay-wise and lore-wise... Let me know when I can crash me RE'd up Tormentor into Titans okay bro. I don't know what that means. (o_O)
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2992	Posted - 2014.07.03 22:32:00 - [64] - Quote Zelda Harkinian wrote: True Adamance wrote: Zelda Harkinian wrote: I like suicide jeeps. Dust is supposed to be an open -sand box shooter so I love it when I see things that are a result of players thinking outside the box. Suicide Jeeps, Logis with Cloaks, a sentinal hopped up on myofibrils, Dropships as makeshift barricades. Also, we're clones. our lives are expendable, so a suicide jeep seems very fitting, both gameplay-wise and lore-wise... Let me know when I can crash me RE'd up Tormentor into Titans okay bro. I don't know what that means. (o_O) Small EvE craft, mahusive EvE craft. Basically he is likening his cheap-ass tank to a multibillion space ship that's abojt the size of a moon. What he also forgets to mention is that Titans can't target ships below a certain size without purposefully gimping your craft amd fittimg undersized turrets. For a dust equivalent, tanks would only be capable of shooting infantry if they put a small turret in their large turret slot. I'm more concerned he is likening his tank to a titan, it's almost like he thinks he should only just be short of invincible. My suit's a bit rusty, but that could just as easily be me! Monkey Mac - Swinging from the Rooftops Forum Warrior Lvl2
Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 3945	Posted - 2014.07.04 00:30:00 - [65] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Eko Sol wrote: As far as LAV's are concerned you need some kind of infantry support as a tanker...period. Tankers should know that it is incredibly difficult to solo outside of the red. YES! YES WE DO! But hell during this current iteration of HAV we don't have to...... we also have no role.... I wish we did. Infantry support doesn't mean jack. A JLAV is faster than an HAV, which is faster than infantry. Hell, invest a little money and they're faster than dropships. Good luck having your assault buddy give you a hand with that. I just want to emphasise that supporting JLAV is identical to bumper dropships (which I think the community as a whole doesn't like) and murder taxis (especially the HMG kind) (which I know for certain the community hates). CCP Rattati Best Dev AmLogi 5 GÇó AmAss 5 GÇó AmSent 4 GÇó CalScout 5 CalLogi, you're next!


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