DUST Search - Suicide LAVs Must Go

Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:

RayRay James wrote:

Harpyja wrote:

The dark cloud wrote:

There is no issue with suicide LAV's. The guy who is doing it dies aswell so man up. Maybe you should get a tank with 3 turrets instead of just 1. 6 eyes see more then 2 except if you are gallente then you got 4.

Then riddle me this: if it takes two people (driver and gunner) to kill a threat, then why can one person kill a tank?

I can solo a tank with a pro forge gun, should I be nerfed too?
Also, did you really complain that a forge gun can deplete you shields with 4 shots? not kill you, DEPLETE YOUR SHIELDS? Good God man, grow a pair.

Yes.

My EHP-fit Gunnlogi, with resistances to forge guns, can be stripped of shields in a single magazine from an AFG.

With a friend, I'm dead in moments. Without one, surviving is a matter of skill. It's not particularly difficult to land hits on a tank, and AFG's damage is enormous.

And I've noticed recently that I'm not the only one switching to my FG when there are tanks on the field anymore. It takes no more than a minute of time, and that tank is destroyed. Recently I run with a MinMando who carries swarms in his secondary slot. Tanks do not survive. We run ISK-positive. We don't need to use scrub tactics including but not limited to: non-rendering swarms (yes it's still possible if you know how) and Jihad Jeeping.

I'd also like to emphasise that NONE OF OUR COMPLAINTS STEM FROM BEING SOLOED.
Our complaints are specifically about the zero-ISK, high-success rate, zero-skill strategy that is Jihad Jeeping.

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Harpyja Legio DXIV 1991	Posted - 2014.07.03 15:46:00 - [31] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: There is no issue with suicide LAV's. The guy who is doing it dies aswell so man up. Maybe you should get a tank with 3 turrets instead of just 1. 6 eyes see more then 2 except if you are gallente then you got 4. Then riddle me this: if it takes two people (driver and gunner) to kill a threat, then why can one person kill a tank? "By His light, and His will"- The Scriptures, 12:32 -- "Scouts should fart repeatedly while cloaked"- TechMechMeds
Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 3937	Posted - 2014.07.03 16:07:00 - [32] - Quote 'Innovative tactic'. Maybe I'll go roadkilling. That's an 'innovative tactic' too. Can I have my Charybdis back? I used it 'innovatively'. Or maybe you can just increase my Ishukone Saga's collision damage infinitely like it used to be. Then I can 'innovatively' crush your protosuit. It's easy to counter! All you have to do is shoot at it with a swarm launcher! You know what? I would have no problem with jihad jeeps if they weren't ENTIRELY FREE. They have, for a significant portion of the community, ZERO COST. I was fine with it when AV was gimped. I welcomed it while AV was gimped. (Eventually.) Now? AV is fine. I soloed four tanks today with my DAU and EX-11s. It's not hard to kill a tank with AV, any AV. There is no place for this tactic in the game as it currently stands. CCP Rattati Best Dev AmLogi 5 GÇó AmAss 5 GÇó AmSent 4 GÇó CalScout 5 CalLogi, you're next!
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 201	Posted - 2014.07.03 16:12:00 - [33] - Quote Harpyja wrote: RayRay James wrote: It's also not about skill level. I have proto forges, and proto REs. Some situations, the forge is better, others RE's and I'm not even talking about the jeep What's the difference if I use a jeep or I run up behind you (cloaked or not, doesn't matter) jump on your hood, toss out 4 REs and then run away laughing in anticipation of your pending earth shattering kaboom? Nothing, except in my situation, my clone is likely still alive and you're dead. With the Jeep, at least we're both dead. I fly ADS, I drive tanks, I proto forge vehicles, I toss out proxies and REs and kill indiscriminately. I proto logi. There is no tactic beneath me in order to win the battle in any way necessary. You would rather kill differences because you don't like something. Why should your opinions effect other peoples play style? It should be about skill level. If someone's not skilled enough to use AV to take me out, why should they have such a cheap tactic that grants an insta-kill? It IS AV, that's the thing. It's just a certain way of applying it. There's no difference to me running up and putting REs on you or running REs into you with a jeep except in one situation, I actually get to live. edit: Pssst. I don't live driving the jeep
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 201	Posted - 2014.07.03 16:14:00 - [34] - Quote Harpyja wrote: The dark cloud wrote: There is no issue with suicide LAV's. The guy who is doing it dies aswell so man up. Maybe you should get a tank with 3 turrets instead of just 1. 6 eyes see more then 2 except if you are gallente then you got 4. Then riddle me this: if it takes two people (driver and gunner) to kill a threat, then why can one person kill a tank? I can solo a tank with a pro forge gun, should I be nerfed too? Also, did you really complain that a forge gun can deplete you shields with 4 shots? not kill you, DEPLETE YOUR SHIELDS? Good God man, grow a pair.
Harpyja Legio DXIV 1991	Posted - 2014.07.03 16:24:00 - [35] - Quote RayRay James wrote: Harpyja wrote: The dark cloud wrote: There is no issue with suicide LAV's. The guy who is doing it dies aswell so man up. Maybe you should get a tank with 3 turrets instead of just 1. 6 eyes see more then 2 except if you are gallente then you got 4. Then riddle me this: if it takes two people (driver and gunner) to kill a threat, then why can one person kill a tank? I can solo a tank with a pro forge gun, should I be nerfed too? Also, did you really complain that a forge gun can deplete you shields with 4 shots? not kill you, DEPLETE YOUR SHIELDS? Good God man, grow a pair. I'm good as dead if my shields are depleted. Proto AV feels a bit OP actually now that blaster tanks can't go toe to toe with them. "By His light, and His will"- The Scriptures, 12:32 -- "Scouts should fart repeatedly while cloaked"- TechMechMeds
Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 3938	Posted - 2014.07.03 16:28:00 - [36] - Quote RayRay James wrote: Harpyja wrote: The dark cloud wrote: There is no issue with suicide LAV's. The guy who is doing it dies aswell so man up. Maybe you should get a tank with 3 turrets instead of just 1. 6 eyes see more then 2 except if you are gallente then you got 4. Then riddle me this: if it takes two people (driver and gunner) to kill a threat, then why can one person kill a tank? I can solo a tank with a pro forge gun, should I be nerfed too? Also, did you really complain that a forge gun can deplete you shields with 4 shots? not kill you, DEPLETE YOUR SHIELDS? Good God man, grow a pair. Yes. My EHP-fit Gunnlogi, with resistances to forge guns, can be stripped of shields in a single magazine from an AFG. With a friend, I'm dead in moments. Without one, surviving is a matter of skill. It's not particularly difficult to land hits on a tank, and AFG's damage is enormous. And I've noticed recently that I'm not the only one switching to my FG when there are tanks on the field anymore. It takes no more than a minute of time, and that tank is destroyed. Recently I run with a MinMando who carries swarms in his secondary slot. Tanks do not survive. We run ISK-positive. We don't need to use scrub tactics including but not limited to: non-rendering swarms (yes it's still possible if you know how) and Jihad Jeeping. I'd also like to emphasise that NONE OF OUR COMPLAINTS STEM FROM BEING SOLOED. Our complaints are specifically about the zero-ISK, high-success rate, zero-skill strategy that is Jihad Jeeping. CCP Rattati Best Dev AmLogi 5 GÇó AmAss 5 GÇó AmSent 4 GÇó CalScout 5 CalLogi, you're next!
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 201	Posted - 2014.07.03 16:45:00 - [37] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Our complaints are specifically about the zero-ISK, high-success rate, zero-skill strategy that is Jihad Jeeping. Wow, for a second there, I though we had switched subjects to militia tanks I'll tell you what, get CCP to make it so a full batch of proxies kills a tank (hardened or not) and I'll consider your request valid for the removal of jihad jeeps. I won't agree with it, but I'll concede.
Derpty Derp It's All Gone Derp 201	Posted - 2014.07.03 16:51:00 - [38] - Quote I'm defending the jihad jeep, it's fun to do and it's fun to defend against... Removing perfectly balanced tactics is a bad plan... You seriously just said you didn't hear him until he hit you, just be more aware... If 3 forge gunners sneak up on you you're just as boned.
Mauren NOON The Exemplars Top Men. 336	Posted - 2014.07.03 16:53:00 - [39] - Quote If it really is "not needed" anymore..tell me why Duna still goes upwards of 30-0 most matches....jihading stops the I win button tankers from doing this. Or does that ruin tankers dreams of having a K/D of 100? Tankers can kill a few, run away from AV, and do it over again...can't easily run from jihad jeeps Scr and commando enthusiast. A commando is not just a suit, but a way of life... "The only thing to fear is fear itself"
Takahashi Kashuken Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 87	Posted - 2014.07.03 16:53:00 - [40] - Quote Wont happen because it would be a buff to vehicles and we all know CCP loves infantry I would like to say you can defend yourself with the large turret but missiles are slow with no splash and you need a direct hit, rails fire slower and overheat alot faster while you cant turn the turret faster and the blaster well cant hit anything anymore unless you are within 20m of it which is pointless since a fatman with a HMG has more range and accuracy So then that leaves you to always have a secondary gunner in your vehicle that is if you can fit the turret without having to give up tank/damage or something else you use and even then the small rail still OH, missiles are slow and blaster has no range or accuracy which then ends up you always needing someone on if you want to tank

CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 1236	Posted - 2014.07.03 16:55:00 - [41] - Quote There is nothing wrong with LAV`s loaded with remotes. Working as intended. As a tanker all you have to do is be aware of your surroundings and 99% of the time you only have to clip a few shouts into that LAV and it will explode anyway. Now collision damage on the other hand needs to be reworked for all vehicles. If a tank hits a tank going full speed, some damage should be done. Also if a LAV or Dropship only just touches something going 10-20 miles per hour then it should NOT instantly evaporate and explode. MY LIFE FOR AIUR! You gonna' give me orders? Bluurglleezerrgllee
DontChimpOut Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2014.07.03 17:04:00 - [42] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Now that AV can no longer complain that they are UP, there's no reason to use such a scrub tactic. Yesterday, the scrubiest player I came across suicided his LAV into my militia fit Neutron Blaster Madrugar (and killed me, though I shouldn't need to mention). Then later he came in with his Ion Cannon Madrugar. LOL just WOW. Later a blue missile tank ganked the sh*t out of him (I was about 5 seconds too late to do so with mine, so I saw it happen instead). But seriously now CCP, remove the ability to stick remotes to blue vehicles. I knew the REs sticking to everything would be working as intended when it was first reported on here. I know it with every fiber of my being. It's here to stay, and they're not going to get rid of it.
taxi bastard Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 136	Posted - 2014.07.03 17:12:00 - [43] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Bring a rifle? How's that going to help? My missile turret will do a better job. But that's if I spot them. But usually I only hear them within 10 meters and they're already up my ass and exploded by the time I can react. i feel exactly the same when a tank comes up to me .....no data on the tacnet when you guys should be glowing red far before you reach me . as a tanker this benefits you alot more than it punishes you
Tectonic Fusion 1839	Posted - 2014.07.03 17:27:00 - [44] - Quote Cpl Foster USMC wrote: Hairless Gorillas use Guerrilla Warfare. I ain't no Gorilla.
Tectonic Fusion 1839	Posted - 2014.07.03 17:29:00 - [45] - Quote It's like using the breach shotgun. It works if you flank...but if you don't...you die.
DontChimpOut Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2014.07.03 17:31:00 - [46] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: There is nothing wrong with LAV`s loaded with remotes. Working as intended. As a tanker all you have to do is be aware of your surroundings and 99% of the time you only have to clip a few shouts into that LAV and it will explode anyway. Now collision damage on the other hand needs to be reworked for all vehicles. If a tank hits a tank going full speed, some damage should be done. Also if a LAV or Dropship only just touches something going 10-20 miles per hour then it should NOT instantly evaporate and explode. Lol You speak as if from experience. Bugger off
Powerh8er The Rainbow Effect Dirt Nap Squad. 464	Posted - 2014.07.03 17:48:00 - [47] - Quote Im a tank pilot too now and i dont really see the big problem with jihad jeeps. Its a valid tactic, but not very effective.
Will Driver Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 99	Posted - 2014.07.03 17:52:00 - [48] - Quote No. What makes jihad jeeps scrubbier than any other tactic? And Just because swarms can take out a militia tank with a bad driver, doesn't mean swarms are OP. God forbid Tankers are mortal, and have to develop some situational awareness like everyone else, and can't just camp in one spot for the entire match. Stop complaining and get good. Believe me, it's still difficult to take out good tankers with L5 prof. proto swarms in my Min Commando (ADS are also still difficult). LAVs, militia tanks and Incubi are tasty treats, though, as they should be. GÇ£Creativity is knowing how to hide your sourcesGÇ¥ GÇò Albert Einstein
calvin b Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1688	Posted - 2014.07.03 18:09:00 - [49] - Quote The BLAV must stay it keeps scrub militia tank users from running over the infantry. BLAV takes skill to navigate the battlefield that is currently infested with tanks and ADS while focusing on one target while taking ones life for others to live is the greatest sacrifice. Closed Beta Vet and Heavy, so no I am not FOTM I am an Antique
Harpyja Legio DXIV 1991	Posted - 2014.07.03 18:35:00 - [50] - Quote calvin b wrote: The BLAV must stay it keeps scrub militia tank users from running over the infantry. BLAV takes skill to navigate the battlefield that is currently infested with tanks and ADS while focusing on one target while taking ones life for others to live is the greatest sacrifice. Tanks can no longer "run over infantry" since blasters were nerfed. AV is more than capable of destroying tanks now and LOL @ skill. Yeah, pushing the left stick around and crashing into a tank sure takes a lot of skill. "By His light, and His will"- The Scriptures, 12:32 -- "Scouts should fart repeatedly while cloaked"- TechMechMeds

Zelda Harkinian Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 20	Posted - 2014.07.03 18:41:00 - [51] - Quote I like suicide jeeps. Dust is supposed to be an open -sand box shooter so I love it when I see things that are a result of players thinking outside the box. Suicide Jeeps, Logis with Cloaks, a sentinal hopped up on myofibrils, Dropships as makeshift barricades. Also, we're clones. our lives are expendable, so a suicide jeep seems very fitting, both gameplay-wise and lore-wise...
Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 3942	Posted - 2014.07.03 18:42:00 - [52] - Quote Zelda Harkinian wrote: I like suicide jeeps. Dust is supposed to be an open -sand box shooter so I love it when I see things that are a result of players thinking outside the box. Suicide Jeeps, Logis with Cloaks, a sentinal hopped up on myofibrils, Dropships as makeshift barricades. Also, we're clones. our lives are expendable, so a suicide jeep seems very fitting, both gameplay-wise and lore-wise... They're practically free, and exceedingly difficult to counter. This is the inherent problem with them. CCP Rattati Best Dev AmLogi 5 GÇó AmAss 5 GÇó AmSent 4 GÇó CalScout 5 CalLogi, you're next!
Rowdy Railgunner Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 419	Posted - 2014.07.03 19:03:00 - [53] - Quote I use jihad jeeps in PC matches. If you don't like it then quit, it is a valid tactic.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 3061	Posted - 2014.07.03 19:19:00 - [54] - Quote Seymour KrelbornX wrote: Harpyja wrote: Now that AV can no longer complain that they are UP, there's no reason to use such a scrub tactic. Yesterday, the scrubiest player I came across suicided his LAV into my militia fit Neutron Blaster Madrugar (and killed me, though I shouldn't need to mention). Then later he came in with his Ion Cannon Madrugar. LOL just WOW. Later a blue missile tank ganked the sh*t out of him (I was about 5 seconds too late to do so with mine, so I saw it happen instead). But seriously now CCP, remove the ability to stick remotes to blue vehicles. I hate these "I don't like to be killed this way" threads.... who cares if you think its scrubby! it's an innovative tactic, especially for people who either don't have AV skilled, or want to send a message to the other team that tanks will not be permitted here. personally when I pull out av they just call another tank. but when I jihad them, they get the message and stay off my battlefield. Hear that guys, Harpy killed some militia tanks so obviously AV is OP never mind that most tank drivers are terrible scrubs that cant play which is why they are in tanks in the first place Also gotta love the "Waaaah my large blaster turret has dispersion and I dont know how to burst fire to kill" If thats overly difficult theres this new thing called a small turret that does wonders against infantry but that might throw off your own militia fit tank eh
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2987	Posted - 2014.07.03 19:27:00 - [55] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: RayRay James wrote: Harpyja wrote: The dark cloud wrote: There is no issue with suicide LAV's. The guy who is doing it dies aswell so man up. Maybe you should get a tank with 3 turrets instead of just 1. 6 eyes see more then 2 except if you are gallente then you got 4. Then riddle me this: if it takes two people (driver and gunner) to kill a threat, then why can one person kill a tank? I can solo a tank with a pro forge gun, should I be nerfed too? Also, did you really complain that a forge gun can deplete you shields with 4 shots? not kill you, DEPLETE YOUR SHIELDS? Good God man, grow a pair. Yes. My EHP-fit Gunnlogi, with resistances to forge guns, can be stripped of shields in a single magazine from an AFG. With a friend, I'm dead in moments. Without one, surviving is a matter of skill. It's not particularly difficult to land hits on a tank, and AFG's damage is enormous. And I've noticed recently that I'm not the only one switching to my FG when there are tanks on the field anymore. It takes no more than a minute of time, and that tank is destroyed. Recently I run with a MinMando who carries swarms in his secondary slot. Tanks do not survive. We run ISK-positive. We don't need to use scrub tactics including but not limited to: non-rendering swarms (yes it's still possible if you know how) and Jihad Jeeping. I'd also like to emphasise that NONE OF OUR COMPLAINTS STEM FROM BEING SOLOED. Our complaints are specifically about the zero-ISK, high-success rate, zero-skill strategy that is Jihad Jeeping. Zero-ISK - BUSTED - 30,000 LAV, 12,000 Dropsuit, 10,000 RE's and that is litterally if it is fit only to permit Lav Bombing. High-Success Rate - BUSTED - Have you tried Lav Bombing? Actually doing it and not just succeeding a half dozen times and decoding that makes it OP RE's Sniped RE's Shot RE's Clip invisible terrain Proximity explosives Stray Locus Grenade 1x AV Grenade 1x Plasma Cannon Shot 1x Railgun Shot 1x Missile (Both Turret sizes) Using a shield Repper just before contact Being hardened on contact Travelling too slow Target in enclosed space Target running over vehicle Target getting out of vehicle amd shooting HMG Swarm launcher (No word of lie) RE's clipped cloaked scout Brick Walls Lamposts Stairs Turret Installations Orbitals Enemy vehicle exploding in close proximty Friendly vehicle exploding in close proximity Target hiding behind corner Target outrunning you (impact too slow) Installation dropping in close proximity Target being in redline Target being in 'off-road' terrain Being Rodeoed (A LAV Bomb, bombing your LAV Bomb) Being Chased by enemy LAV with gunner Being Pit Manouvered by Enemy LAV All of these can/have and will cause a LAV Bomb to fail. It's only high success if you 1) Sit in a relatively stationary position (moving no more than 50-100m) 2) Sitting in the Middle of Long Paved Open Stretch of Road 3) Playing a tank like it is still overpowered Skillless? - Plausible - But so is tanking, Sniping, Aim Assist using, FOTM chasing, using explosives, using hitscan, using cloaks, using HMG, using sentinel suits. It kills you and if you are paying attention, rather quickly, therefore as far you will ever be concerned it is skilless. My suit's a bit rusty, but that could just as easily be me! Monkey Mac - Swinging from the Rooftops Forum Warrior Lvl2
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 205	Posted - 2014.07.03 19:29:00 - [56] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Zelda Harkinian wrote: I like suicide jeeps. Dust is supposed to be an open -sand box shooter so I love it when I see things that are a result of players thinking outside the box. Suicide Jeeps, Logis with Cloaks, a sentinal hopped up on myofibrils, Dropships as makeshift barricades. Also, we're clones. our lives are expendable, so a suicide jeep seems very fitting, both gameplay-wise and lore-wise... They're practically free, and exceedingly difficult to counter. This is the inherent problem with them. I'm not so sure, I've been blown up many a time (back in the day) when driving Jihad. It only takes one bullet hitting any of the 4-6 REs on your truck to turn you into a paint smear.
Tectonic Fusion 1841	Posted - 2014.07.03 20:03:00 - [57] - Quote Idk whenever I see a johad LAV I shoot all around him and he dies so...it's pretty easy unless all of the are on ONE side or underneath the LAV (which takes skill to do btw).
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 280	Posted - 2014.07.03 20:38:00 - [58] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: So many scrubs trying to defend a crutch. Says the crutch user. Also I must say that suicide LAVs are crutches. If you suck enough at AV, there's always the suicide LAV to save the day! how many successful jihad runs have you done? you call it a crutch, but I know 1st hand that against a skilled tanker I die 2 or 3 times before I can even get close to them... and some tankers never... was only ever able to get duna once... just because you don't like the tactic doesn't make it a crutch....
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 280	Posted - 2014.07.03 20:41:00 - [59] - Quote Harpyja wrote: RayRay James wrote: It's also not about skill level. I have proto forges, and proto REs. Some situations, the forge is better, others RE's and I'm not even talking about the jeep What's the difference if I use a jeep or I run up behind you (cloaked or not, doesn't matter) jump on your hood, toss out 4 REs and then run away laughing in anticipation of your pending earth shattering kaboom? Nothing, except in my situation, my clone is likely still alive and you're dead. With the Jeep, at least we're both dead. I fly ADS, I drive tanks, I proto forge vehicles, I toss out proxies and REs and kill indiscriminately. I proto logi. There is no tactic beneath me in order to win the battle in any way necessary. You would rather kill differences because you don't like something. Why should your opinions effect other peoples play style? It should be about skill level. If someone's not skilled enough to use AV to take me out, why should they have such a cheap tactic that grants an insta-kill? but it isn't an insta- kill... they have to get to you without dying and then hit you in the right spot, or you don't blow up you just fly over them, and hard enough.... its skill.
Eko Sol Strange Playings 517	Posted - 2014.07.03 21:00:00 - [60] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Now that AV can no longer complain that they are UP, there's no reason to use such a scrub tactic. Yesterday, the scrubiest player I came across suicided his LAV into my militia fit Neutron Blaster Madrugar (and killed me, though I shouldn't need to mention). Then later he came in with his Ion Cannon Madrugar. LOL just WOW. Later a blue missile tank ganked the sh*t out of him (I was about 5 seconds too late to do so with mine, so I saw it happen instead). But seriously now CCP, remove the ability to stick remotes to blue vehicles. I ran solo last night in a match where I was solo'ing AV multiple snipers, ADS's, DS's, tankers, and high ground rail rifles with no AV assistance whatsoever. It took more than 8 people to beat me up. I even used an incubus, it costed me 4 incubus that match. Twice I was crashed into. We also were clones. There were only 4 reds at the null at any given point. Every single thing they did was a valid tactic. The only one I dislike a great deal is the sniping from the mcc. I think it should be instant death. Other than that, it was all valid on their part. Plus it is a nice ego boost on what it takes to stop me bwahahaha. As far as LAV's are concerned you need some kind of infantry support as a tanker...period. Tankers should know that it is incredibly difficult to solo outside of the red. If I am running incubus and I feel like it won't work then I will consistently change to another strategy. If you refuse to do something else then the problem you are facing is your own. PSN is "Ekopalm" Playing: Murdered Soul Suspect WIP: Child of Light, MGS5 Welcome to play with me anytime, message me.



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