A lot of people rage over being abandoned and all that stuff and dust started on console whining and etc.

All I ask is will I keep my toon/s? If so I do not have any problem with legion as the influx of new players will feed my weapons
And aim assist will be gone

I think the last shooter I played on PC was Chex Quest (sue me it was free and came with cereal.)

Played a couple RTS's but that's about it cense then.

But back to the topic at hand; Caricter name- yes, SP- Depends on what skills carry over, Isk-......no

LMFAO why would they take the ISK away?

LMFAO why would they take the ISK away?

To anyone who has decent knowledge of New Eden economics, the reason is obvious. Blatantly obvious. To the uninitiated, they don't see it unless it's explained to them.

The vast majority of the ISK flowing in Dust 514 was gained unfairly and the manner it was gained was unintended by CCP. That manner is infamously known as PC District Locking. Nowadays, that's not possible anymore but the damage has already been done. There is still too much ISK in circulation and not enough sinks to cumulatively get rid of the excess ISK nor keep it under control.

But to be fair to folks like you, it is clearly known that CCP will design Legion as a stand-alone shooter in the short term part of its development from that of Eve Online until CCP is sure it's ready for the Eve-Legion economic merger. Until then, the ISK from Dust going into Legion will have no impact on Eve Online.

If ISK were to be transferred over with the Dust character however, then CCP needs to make absolutely sure that there is enough ISK sinks to balance the ISK faucets so that ISK in circulation remains under control. I can think of many ISK sinks that are perfect for Legion in destroying the excess ISK from the economy. These can be implemented on day one.

1. Upkeep Fees for fueling districts owned by corporations.
2. Broker Fees for creating both Buy and Sell orders on the secondary market.
3. Broker Fees for modifying your own existing Buy/Sell orders on the secondary market.
4. Broker Fees for creating a peer-to-peer exchange/auction contract.
5. Sales Tax on your profits for whenever someone else completes your Sell order on the secondary market.
6. Skill Books for expanding on trade skills such as being able to establish X amount of Buy/Sell orders per level.
7. Skill Books for expanding on trade skills such as being able to extend the range (# of jumps) of establishing and modifying your Buy/Sell orders per level.
8. Skill Books for expanding on how many contracts you can setup per level.
9. Transport Fees for whenever you want to move from station to station, system to system, or region to region.

Top sticky.

To anyone who has decent knowledge of New Eden economics, the reason is obvious. Blatantly obvious. To the uninitiated, they don't see it unless it's explained to them.

The vast majority of the ISK flowing in Dust 514 was gained unfairly and the manner it was gained was unintended by CCP. That manner is infamously known as PC District Locking. Nowadays, that's not possible anymore but the damage has already been done. There is still too much ISK in circulation and not enough sinks to cumulatively get rid of the excess ISK nor keep it under control.

But to be fair to folks like you, it is clearly known that CCP will design Legion as a stand-alone shooter in the short term part of its development from that of Eve Online until CCP is sure it's ready for the Eve-Legion economic merger. Until then, the ISK from Dust going into Legion will have no impact on Eve Online.

If ISK were to be transferred over with the Dust character however, then CCP needs to make absolutely sure that there is enough ISK sinks to balance the ISK faucets so that ISK in circulation remains under control. I can think of many ISK sinks that are perfect for Legion in destroying the excess ISK from the economy. These can be implemented on day one.

1. Upkeep Fees for fueling districts owned by corporations.
2. Broker Fees for creating both Buy and Sell orders on the secondary market.
3. Broker Fees for modifying your own existing Buy/Sell orders on the secondary market.
4. Broker Fees for creating a peer-to-peer exchange/auction contract.
5. Sales Tax on your profits for whenever someone else completes your Sell order on the secondary market.
6. Skill Books for expanding on trade skills such as being able to establish X amount of Buy/Sell orders per level.
7. Skill Books for expanding on trade skills such as being able to extend the range (# of jumps) of establishing and modifying your Buy/Sell orders per level.
8. Skill Books for expanding on how many contracts you can setup per level.
9. Transport Fees for whenever you want to move from station to station, system to system, or region to region.

Even Kain Spero doubts there will be a 1:1 SP transfer.

@Dnaizohd Orlenaard

Well, the principle issue we have here is not because that much of the ISK still in circulation in Dust has been ill-gained but that CCP will have a hard time trying to keep the exploiters from transferring with their ill-gotten ISK without incidentally punishing those who put in legitimate effort in earning their own ISK.

One would argue that having everyone in Legion transferring over from Dust should start with only the bare minimum starter of 5,000 ISK* which is what all Eve Online players start with in the beginning of their lifetimes. This will surely prevent exploiters from carrying over their spoils but, again, that will only punish those players who were honest in gaining their ISK in Dust.

An alternative would be to cap their transfer of ISK from Dust to Legion up to maybe 50-100 million ISK but I'm not sure how practical that may be.

* - In addition to the starting 5,000 ISK, an Eve character takes no less than 24 hours to biomass. This highly discourages any attempt to farm the starter ISK.

The fact that CCP hasn't touched on this concerns me greatly.

Even Kain Spero doubts there will be a 1:1 SP transfer.

That is a given. The skill trees are going to be different so 1 point in Dust won't equal 1 point in Legion. Best we can hope for is an equitable distribution. Although I'm not holding my breath.

I think the last shooter I played on PC was Chex Quest (sue me it was free and came with cereal.)

The fact that CCP hasn't touched on this concerns me greatly.

Even Kain Spero doubts there will be a 1:1 SP transfer.

From an economic perspective I don't feel there should be any ISK transfers from Dust 514 to Legion, but I do feel Plex should be available in Project Legion just like it is in Eve. Considering right now that "jobs" are part of the design per PC game article they have to start Project Legion out with a blank start or the economy will inflate incorrectly.

From an economic perspective I don't feel there should be any ISK transfers from Dust 514 to Legion, but I do feel Plex should be available in Project Legion just like it is in Eve. Considering right now that "jobs" are part of the design per PC game article they have to start Project Legion out with a blank start or the economy will inflate incorrectly.

I was originally against ISK transfer, since certain parties in Dust have enough to tip the balance at the start, but with the elimination of passive ISK in PC I think it will start to even itself out, I've earned enough from running around in BPOs for months I'd hate for it to go to waste when this game ends.

So now the things I want In order of importance.
Name
SP
Exclusive/limited/event/officer/BPO gear
AUR
AUR items/ AUR refund on remaining AUR items
ISK
ISK items/ ISK refund on remaining ISK items

isk should be there so should SP. all we would be able to do is be able to afford more of our suits, thats it. ISK is not the issure at all

And this right here is the reason why ISK needs to either rot in dust or be severely (like, 10m tops severely) capped.

Dust ISK lets you buy stuff seeded by the server and that's it. There's little one can do to multiply it and there's no real need to since there's barely anything that can be done with it to affect other players.

In Legion however stuff won't be seeded for the most part but has to be found by someone. That someone then sells it for ISK to another person and uses said ISK to buy something he wants that yet another person salvaged. Items will be scarce and the AR you buy from someone is not generated out of thin air. It actually changes hands from one person to another.

This means that ISK suddenly gets a wide variety of uses and its amount matters beyond whether you can afford your stuff or not. Think price fixing by buying all types of one item, then reselling it for twice as much. Drying out the market for powerful AV weapons in a region, then proceed to stomp that region with your vehicle based squad/battalion (then sell the AV for three times as much and leave). I'm fairly certain a committed minority does have this kind of money.

Carrying over ISK from Dust to Legion is dangerous in its own because it gives Dust vets an advantage most of them don't even realize quite yet. Taking into account that Dust has a long history of illicit ISK generation on a very large scale, the impact of which in Dust is only mitigated by its complete lack of a real economy, makes Dust ISK a great thread for Legion in my eyes.

Fun fact: Character recycling seems to be still going on. Remember, that thing that's estimated to generate as much ISK as the pre-fix PC ecosystem? These people are still doing it and will keep doing it until CCP finally swings the ban hammer. This might turn out to be much, much worse than even the district locking corps but we have no way of knowing because this ISK has little impact on a non-existent economy.

*snip*Well, with PC now completely losing its ATM-like nature, the amount of ISK pumped into Dust has been reduced. However I do agree with you that character recycling in Dust needs to be fixed now. My recommendation to them, if they don't want too much ISK carried over to Legion, is to reduce the starter ISK to no more than 5,000 ISK and also extend the biomass timer from 10 hours to 24 hours. This will bring it in line with the Eve Online characters that first started their careers and will completely discourage the exploiters.

So now the things I want In order of importance.
Name
SP
Exclusive/limited/event/officer/BPO gear
AUR
AUR items/ AUR refund on remaining AUR items
ISK
ISK items/ ISK refund on remaining ISK items