DUST Search - Weapons in Legion

Lady MDK wrote:

Roger Cordill wrote:

Lady MDK wrote:

I said nothing about manufacturing =ƒÿè and caldari can use blasters or rails just the bonuses affect the guns differently. My point being that there should need to be a racial variant of each gun

Lady MDK wrote:

For example a gallente blaster (or shotgun if you will) is fine... as is a Caldari one as both races use hybrid weapons...

Yes, you did. This is from your OP. did you not check over your own OP? Caldari has not yet made a signle blaster for our creation and use, and I highly doubt they ever will. They will use them? Yes. Make them? No. Every Race uses cloaks. Caldari made cloaks. Does that mean everyone makes their own ****** ripoff? No.

If you quote in context you will find that I said.. I had heard that there were to be racial variant of each weapon in legion. And yes the cloaks are racial ripoffs of tech stolen from pirates at a live eve event originally. And you missed my point again, I said fine but why would you have a caldari and a gallente blaster.. just have a blaster and have it receive a racial bonus depending on the users gallente or caldari suit.

The whole op is against proliferation of racial variants not promoting it.

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Lady MDK Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 97	Posted - 2014.06.25 20:16:00 - [1] - Quote So a bit of a question.... to all, devs feel free to chip in ;) I think I read somewhere that each weapon in legion will have a racial varient, like the standard rifles do now (assault etc) is this true? My point of asking this really is around concern about adding extra weapon choices in the market and fitting also adding needless complexity to the progression tree depending on how its implemented also doing this would also cause dilution of the racial stereotypes currently established in New Eden Lore.... For example a gallente blaster (or shotgun if you will) is fine... as is a Caldari one as both races use hybrid weapons... but an amar blaster? no amar ever used this type of weapon (well not unless he wanted his killmail posted all over the interwebs and people laughing at how stupid his fit was). The caldari suit would give a range bonus and the gallente one a damage bonus. If teh amar wanted a close range weapon he would choose a pulse laser based gun like the scrambler rifle. Long range he would choose the laser rifle. To act as a counterpoint to this the Gallente wearer could choose a rail rifle which would get a damage bonus in his hands but not shoot as far. This would also encourage (further down the line) people training into different races suits and weapons like in EVE. My oldest can use every races sub capital ships and weapons pretty much and this adds versatility not having to train a racial varient of every gun, just the guns that race uses. If this is the plan - Why are CCP moving away from the established lore. I didn't understand the reason for having the racial varients of the rifles in dust to be quite honest... In fact when I first started playing i thought i was using a minmatar weapon on my gallente character for gods sake... the assault rifle is a machine gun which is similar to minmatar in eve. The vehicle guns have me in a mix as well... i have posted this several times... Rail gun is a longrange high damage gun which bears little resemblance to both its eve counterpart and also its in game hand held version its just not consistant. To be honest youd be better off averaging out the sniper rifle and the rail and calling it a Rail Gun. And dont get me started on the blaster.... rapid fire wtf? blaster in eve are to use against the same size or larger targets.. yet in dust they are to use against smaller? (well the small turrets are at least). Don't try to make legion a generic shooter please Make it an EVE shooter. Anyway there is a question in there somewhere lol before anyone trolls and says well come up with better I will try to in a later post. Anyone getting annoyed by reading of the above post should consider the following. I don't care so neither should you :)
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 375	Posted - 2014.06.25 21:08:00 - [2] - Quote Caldari don't make blasters. Show me a Caldari blaster, and I'll agree with you. Otherwise, denied. ^ This by the way helps your point in the first bit. EDIT: Your last bit made absolutely ******* 0 sense
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8811	Posted - 2014.06.25 21:45:00 - [3] - Quote I don't think that's the case. From what I see, we'll see a class of weapon having all races such as how the Minmatar have the Flay Lock, Gallente with their Ion Pistols, Amarr with their Scrambler Pistols, and Caldari with their Bolt Pistols for the sidearms. That's the general understanding I have right now. Honestly I can't picture the Amarr ever relying on hybrid or projectile weaponry at all. They are a laser-oriented race after all. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 11183	Posted - 2014.06.25 22:36:00 - [4] - Quote Roger Cordill wrote: Caldari don't make blasters. Show me a Caldari blaster, and I'll agree with you. Otherwise, denied. ^ This by the way helps your point in the first bit. EDIT: Your last bit made absolutely ******* 0 sense Look for any Caldari Industrialist who produces and sells blasters in Caldari Space...... BAM Caldari Produce Blasters. " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 375	Posted - 2014.06.25 23:19:00 - [5] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Roger Cordill wrote: Caldari don't make blasters. Show me a Caldari blaster, and I'll agree with you. Otherwise, denied. ^ This by the way helps your point in the first bit. EDIT: Your last bit made absolutely ******* 0 sense Look for any Caldari Industrialist who produces and sells blasters in Caldari Space...... BAM Caldari Produce Blasters. You know damn well that counts zero.
Forlorn Destrier 2566	Posted - 2014.06.25 23:54:00 - [6] - Quote Roger Cordill wrote: True Adamance wrote: Roger Cordill wrote: Caldari don't make blasters. Show me a Caldari blaster, and I'll agree with you. Otherwise, denied. ^ This by the way helps your point in the first bit. EDIT: Your last bit made absolutely ******* 0 sense Look for any Caldari Industrialist who produces and sells blasters in Caldari Space...... BAM Caldari Produce Blasters. You know damn well that counts zero. Caldari do use blasters - the Ferox even gets bonuses to it. Lorewise, here are the weapons of choice for each race Minmatar: Projectile, Missile Gallente: Drones, Hybrid Amarr: Laser, Drones Caldari: Missiles, Hybrid
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 376	Posted - 2014.06.25 23:56:00 - [7] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: Roger Cordill wrote: True Adamance wrote: Roger Cordill wrote: Caldari don't make blasters. Show me a Caldari blaster, and I'll agree with you. Otherwise, denied. ^ This by the way helps your point in the first bit. EDIT: Your last bit made absolutely ******* 0 sense Look for any Caldari Industrialist who produces and sells blasters in Caldari Space...... BAM Caldari Produce Blasters. You know damn well that counts zero. Caldari do use blasters - the Ferox even gets bonuses to it. Lorewise, here are the weapons of choice for each race Minmatar: Projectile, Missile Gallente: Drones, Hybrid Amarr: Laser, Drones Caldari: Missiles, Hybrid I said nothing about using, now did I?
Forlorn Destrier 2566	Posted - 2014.06.25 23:58:00 - [8] - Quote Roger Cordill wrote: Forlorn Destrier wrote: Roger Cordill wrote: True Adamance wrote: Roger Cordill wrote: Caldari don't make blasters. Show me a Caldari blaster, and I'll agree with you. Otherwise, denied. ^ This by the way helps your point in the first bit. EDIT: Your last bit made absolutely ******* 0 sense Look for any Caldari Industrialist who produces and sells blasters in Caldari Space...... BAM Caldari Produce Blasters. You know damn well that counts zero. Caldari do use blasters - the Ferox even gets bonuses to it. Lorewise, here are the weapons of choice for each race Minmatar: Projectile, Missile Gallente: Drones, Hybrid Amarr: Laser, Drones Caldari: Missiles, Hybrid I said nothing about using, now did I? No need to be rude - this is supposed to be constructive and we are trying to do that. If you are going to be rude, your feedback will be discounted.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 11198	Posted - 2014.06.26 01:47:00 - [9] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: No need to be rude - this is supposed to be constructive and we are trying to do that. If you are going to be rude, your feedback will be discounted. Basically you have to assume Godin...aka Roger is not willing to accept reasonable arguments and base his opinion off fallacious generalisations reinforcing the notion he actually understand the lore of New Eden. In actuality he doesn't and stands by this belief even in the face of lore evidence and in game items and EVE lopedia summaries items. " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
Lady MDK Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 97	Posted - 2014.06.26 03:01:00 - [10] - Quote Roger Cordill wrote: Forlorn Destrier wrote: Roger Cordill wrote: True Adamance wrote: Roger Cordill wrote: Caldari don't make blasters. Show me a Caldari blaster, and I'll agree with you. Otherwise, denied. ^ This by the way helps your point in the first bit. EDIT: Your last bit made absolutely ******* 0 sense Look for any Caldari Industrialist who produces and sells blasters in Caldari Space...... BAM Caldari Produce Blasters. You know damn well that counts zero. Caldari do use blasters - the Ferox even gets bonuses to it. Lorewise, here are the weapons of choice for each race Minmatar: Projectile, Missile Gallente: Drones, Hybrid Amarr: Laser, Drones Caldari: Missiles, Hybrid I said nothing about using, now did I? I said nothing about manufacturing =ƒÿè and caldari can use blasters or rails just the bonuses affect the guns differently. My point being that there should need to be a racial variant of each gun Anyone getting annoyed by reading of the above post should consider the following. I don't care so neither should you :)

Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 376	Posted - 2014.06.26 03:09:00 - [11] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: No need to be rude - this is supposed to be constructive and we are trying to do that. If you are going to be rude, your feedback will be discounted. 1: From your perspective, it was rude. I simply called out your error. 2: Are you going to ban me? Are you some kind of dev now?
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 376	Posted - 2014.06.26 03:17:00 - [12] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: Roger Cordill wrote: True Adamance wrote: Roger Cordill wrote: Caldari don't make blasters. Show me a Caldari blaster, and I'll agree with you. Otherwise, denied. ^ This by the way helps your point in the first bit. EDIT: Your last bit made absolutely ***** 0 sense Look for any Caldari Industrialist who produces and sells blasters in Caldari Space...... BAM Caldari Produce Blasters. You know damn well that counts zero. Doesn't matter who the manufacturers are, fact is that Caldari use blasters - the Ferox even gets bonuses to it. Lorewise, here are the weapons of choice for each race Minmatar: Projectile, Missile Gallente: Drones, Hybrid Amarr: Laser, Drones Caldari: Missiles, Hybrid Weapons in Dust and Legion should follow the same logic when it makes sense. EDIT: clarified my thoughts that manufacturing isn't the key factor. 1: The Ferox gets bonuses to optimal range, not blasters. You could have made the case that optimal range helps blasters more than Rails (a load of bullshit), but that doesn't really help blasters much at all (why it's a load of bullshit), and tracking or falloff (blasters actual problems) are solved by Gallente's gun boat bonuses, which is more damage, better falloff, and better tracking (because usually people say it and use AM rounds anyways?). 2: This Entire argument is about manufacturing and manufacturers (the reason why Caldari should or shouldn't get blasters, which you guys are losing due to little/no logic being used). What in the god given ** are you talking about?
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 376	Posted - 2014.06.26 03:21:00 - [13] - Quote Lady MDK wrote: I said nothing about manufacturing =ƒÿè and caldari can use blasters or rails just the bonuses affect the guns differently. My point being that there should need to be a racial variant of each gun Lady MDK wrote: For example a gallente blaster (or shotgun if you will) is fine... as is a Caldari one as both races use hybrid weapons... Yes, you did. This is from your OP. did you not check over your own OP? Caldari has not yet made a signle blaster for our creation and use, and I highly doubt they ever will. They will use them? Yes. Make them? No. Every Race uses cloaks. Caldari made cloaks. Does that mean everyone makes their own ****** ripoff? No.
Lady MDK Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 97	Posted - 2014.06.26 06:57:00 - [14] - Quote Roger Cordill wrote: Lady MDK wrote: I said nothing about manufacturing =ƒÿè and caldari can use blasters or rails just the bonuses affect the guns differently. My point being that there should need to be a racial variant of each gun Lady MDK wrote: For example a gallente blaster (or shotgun if you will) is fine... as is a Caldari one as both races use hybrid weapons... Yes, you did. This is from your OP. did you not check over your own OP? Caldari has not yet made a signle blaster for our creation and use, and I highly doubt they ever will. They will use them? Yes. Make them? No. Every Race uses cloaks. Caldari made cloaks. Does that mean everyone makes their own ****** ripoff? No. If you quote in context you will find that I said.. I had heard that there were to be racial variant of each weapon in legion. And yes the cloaks are racial ripoffs of tech stolen from pirates at a live eve event originally. Anyone getting annoyed by reading of the above post should consider the following. I don't care so neither should you :)
Saerin 'Mythic' Korvalu Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.06.27 09:07:00 - [15] - Quote Railguns + Missiles = Caldari Blasters = Gallente Lasers = Amarr Projectiles + Missiles = Minmatar The in-game weapons are correct in terms of lore. Only problem with them are the sound effects. The Gallente Assault Rifle sounds too much like a normal projectile weapon. Back in the 2012 Fanfest showcase, the Assault Rifle had a more fitting sound effect. Don't know why it was removed.
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 378	Posted - 2014.06.27 09:30:00 - [16] - Quote Saerin 'Mythic' Korvalu wrote: Railguns + Missiles = Caldari Blasters + Rail Guns + Drones = Gallente Lasers + Drones = Amarr Projectiles + Missiles = Minmatar In EVE, the only reason Caldari and Gallente ships can use both Railguns and Blasters is because they need long and short range roles. Blasters and Railguns have an obvious difference in appearance too. The in-game weapons are correct in terms of lore. Only problem with them are the sound effects. The Gallente Assault Rifle sounds too much like a normal projectile weapon. Back in the 2012 Fanfest showcase, the Assault Rifle had a more fitting sound effect. Don't know why it was removed. Fixed.
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 378	Posted - 2014.06.27 09:55:00 - [17] - Quote Lady MDK wrote: Roger Cordill wrote: Lady MDK wrote: I said nothing about manufacturing =ƒÿè and caldari can use blasters or rails just the bonuses affect the guns differently. My point being that there should need to be a racial variant of each gun Lady MDK wrote: For example a gallente blaster (or shotgun if you will) is fine... as is a Caldari one as both races use hybrid weapons... Yes, you did. This is from your OP. did you not check over your own OP? Caldari has not yet made a signle blaster for our creation and use, and I highly doubt they ever will. They will use them? Yes. Make them? No. Every Race uses cloaks. Caldari made cloaks. Does that mean everyone makes their own ****** ripoff? No. If you quote in context you will find that I said.. I had heard that there were to be racial variant of each weapon in legion. And yes the cloaks are racial ripoffs of tech stolen from pirates at a live eve event originally. And you missed my point again, I said fine but why would you have a caldari and a gallente blaster.. just have a blaster and have it receive a racial bonus depending on the users gallente or caldari suit. The whole op is against proliferation of racial variants not promoting it. 1: iirc, that live event featured a cloak that wasn't the same as the one we have now. The Caldari took the tech, and made it into the ones we use now. 2: Why do all of you hate reading? [quote=Roger Cordill ^ This by the way helps your point in the first bit. [/quote] Read the entire post before you yell at someone like they're an idiot. 3: Caldari and Gallente both have bonuses for blasters and rails not because they need both long and short range things (drones covers the long range for Gallente, and Rockets/HAM's/torps, cit torps covers Caldari's short range. It's just that Caldari and Gallente both get bonuses for hybrids. ANd really, Caldari's bonuses don't really help Caldari ships use blasters; in fact, Caldari ships with blasters is usually quite silly compared to a Gallente ship with blasters. 4: You've still yet to explain wtf you're talking about in the rest of your OP.
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 378	Posted - 2014.06.27 09:59:00 - [18] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Forlorn Destrier wrote: No need to be rude - this is supposed to be constructive and we are trying to do that. If you are going to be rude, your feedback will be discounted. Basically you have to assume Godin...aka Roger is not willing to accept reasonable arguments and base his opinion off fallacious generalisations reinforcing the notion he actually understand the lore of New Eden. In actuality he doesn't and stands by this belief even in the face of lore evidence and in game items and EVE lopedia summaries items. http://eveinfo.com/npcship/15844/eve-online-gallente-navy-125mm-railgun.html An example of a 125mm Gallente Railgun as seen on old NPC units. Tell me Gallente don't use Railguns now? Will look for State Blasters. I've already stated several times that Gallente uses rails. I have a ship with Fed NAvy rails (which imo are much better than the state rails, probably due them being better in closer ranges). You're way off. Oh, and I'd love to see state rails, as I've never seen them. They surely aren't ingame for our use, and there's no named one that has anything to do with Caldari ingame. EDIT: You say I don't understand it, and yet you say that a REALLY tiny possibility, which can be argued by a simple explanation that it used very commonly in like everywhere, even in the lore, and yet refuses to take ingame evidence, by both proof of no items existing, and on top of that, no hulls or frames in both games to support them (hybrid damage bonus isn't enough, and optimal range doesn't help a blaster, as getting a extra km doesn't really help you.)
TechMechMeds Inner.Hell 3721	Posted - 2014.06.28 17:16:00 - [19] - Quote What is the air speed velocity of an unladen minmatar?. I will spam your face with aurum proto.
Finn Colman Immortal Guides 25	Posted - 2014.07.07 21:11:00 - [20] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: What is the air speed velocity of an unladen minmatar?. Are they in a starship, a sub-space jet, a dropship, a LAV, a HAV, a light dropsuit, a medium dropsuit, or a heavy dropsuit?

John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 825	Posted - 2014.07.07 21:35:00 - [21] - Quote Lady MDK wrote: Don't try to make legion a generic shooter please Make it an EVE shooter. YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES!!!!!!!! Sorry for bad English =) >>> Legion rdy! <<<
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 3488	Posted - 2014.07.08 06:58:00 - [22] - Quote The Amarr use missiles too. Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(


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