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Roger Cordill
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
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Posted - 2014.06.25 21:08:00 -
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Caldari don't make blasters. Show me a Caldari blaster, and I'll agree with you. Otherwise, denied.
^ This by the way helps your point in the first bit.
EDIT: Your last bit made absolutely ******* 0 sense |
Roger Cordill
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2014.06.25 23:19:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Roger Cordill wrote:Caldari don't make blasters. Show me a Caldari blaster, and I'll agree with you. Otherwise, denied.
^ This by the way helps your point in the first bit.
EDIT: Your last bit made absolutely ******* 0 sense Look for any Caldari Industrialist who produces and sells blasters in Caldari Space...... BAM Caldari Produce Blasters.
You know damn well that counts zero. |
Roger Cordill
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2014.06.25 23:56:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:Roger Cordill wrote:True Adamance wrote:Roger Cordill wrote:Caldari don't make blasters. Show me a Caldari blaster, and I'll agree with you. Otherwise, denied.
^ This by the way helps your point in the first bit.
EDIT: Your last bit made absolutely ******* 0 sense Look for any Caldari Industrialist who produces and sells blasters in Caldari Space...... BAM Caldari Produce Blasters. You know damn well that counts zero. Caldari do use blasters - the Ferox even gets bonuses to it. Lorewise, here are the weapons of choice for each race Minmatar: Projectile, Missile Gallente: Drones, Hybrid Amarr: Laser, Drones Caldari: Missiles, Hybrid
I said nothing about using, now did I? |
Roger Cordill
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2014.06.26 03:09:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:
No need to be rude - this is supposed to be constructive and we are trying to do that. If you are going to be rude, your feedback will be discounted.
1: From your perspective, it was rude. I simply called out your error.
2: Are you going to ban me? Are you some kind of dev now? |
Roger Cordill
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2014.06.26 03:17:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:Roger Cordill wrote:True Adamance wrote:Roger Cordill wrote:Caldari don't make blasters. Show me a Caldari blaster, and I'll agree with you. Otherwise, denied.
^ This by the way helps your point in the first bit.
EDIT: Your last bit made absolutely ******* 0 sense Look for any Caldari Industrialist who produces and sells blasters in Caldari Space...... BAM Caldari Produce Blasters. You know damn well that counts zero. Doesn't matter who the manufacturers are, fact is that Caldari use blasters - the Ferox even gets bonuses to it. Lorewise, here are the weapons of choice for each race Minmatar: Projectile, Missile Gallente: Drones, Hybrid Amarr: Laser, Drones Caldari: Missiles, Hybrid Weapons in Dust and Legion should follow the same logic when it makes sense. EDIT: clarified my thoughts that manufacturing isn't the key factor.
1: The Ferox gets bonuses to optimal range, not blasters. You could have made the case that optimal range helps blasters more than Rails (a load of bullshit), but that doesn't really help blasters much at all (why it's a load of bullshit), and tracking or falloff (blasters actual problems) are solved by Gallente's gun boat bonuses, which is more damage, better falloff, and better tracking (because usually people say **** it and use AM rounds anyways?).
2: This Entire argument is about manufacturing and manufacturers (the reason why Caldari should or shouldn't get blasters, which you guys are losing due to little/no logic being used). What in the god given **** are you talking about?
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Roger Cordill
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2014.06.26 03:21:00 -
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Lady MDK wrote:
I said nothing about manufacturing =ƒÿè and caldari can use blasters or rails just the bonuses affect the guns differently. My point being that there should need to be a racial variant of each gun
Lady MDK wrote:
For example a gallente blaster (or shotgun if you will) is fine... as is a Caldari one as both races use hybrid weapons...
Yes, you did. This is from your OP. did you not check over your own OP? Caldari has not yet made a signle blaster for our creation and use, and I highly doubt they ever will. They will use them? Yes. Make them? No. Every Race uses cloaks. Caldari made cloaks. Does that mean everyone makes their own ****** ripoff? No. |
Roger Cordill
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2014.06.27 09:30:00 -
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Saerin 'Mythic' Korvalu wrote:Railguns + Missiles = Caldari
Blasters + Rail Guns + Drones = Gallente
Lasers + Drones = Amarr
Projectiles + Missiles = Minmatar
In EVE, the only reason Caldari and Gallente ships can use both Railguns and Blasters is because they need long and short range roles. Blasters and Railguns have an obvious difference in appearance too.
The in-game weapons are correct in terms of lore. Only problem with them are the sound effects. The Gallente Assault Rifle sounds too much like a normal projectile weapon. Back in the 2012 Fanfest showcase, the Assault Rifle had a more fitting sound effect. Don't know why it was removed.
Fixed. |
Roger Cordill
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
378
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Posted - 2014.06.27 09:55:00 -
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Lady MDK wrote:Roger Cordill wrote:Lady MDK wrote:
I said nothing about manufacturing =ƒÿè and caldari can use blasters or rails just the bonuses affect the guns differently. My point being that there should need to be a racial variant of each gun
Lady MDK wrote:
For example a gallente blaster (or shotgun if you will) is fine... as is a Caldari one as both races use hybrid weapons...
Yes, you did. This is from your OP. did you not check over your own OP? Caldari has not yet made a signle blaster for our creation and use, and I highly doubt they ever will. They will use them? Yes. Make them? No. Every Race uses cloaks. Caldari made cloaks. Does that mean everyone makes their own ****** ripoff? No. If you quote in context you will find that I said.. I had heard that there were to be racial variant of each weapon in legion. And yes the cloaks are racial ripoffs of tech stolen from pirates at a live eve event originally. And you missed my point again, I said fine but why would you have a caldari and a gallente blaster.. just have a blaster and have it receive a racial bonus depending on the users gallente or caldari suit. The whole op is against proliferation of racial variants not promoting it.
1: iirc, that live event featured a cloak that wasn't the same as the one we have now. The Caldari took the tech, and made it into the ones we use now.
2: Why do all of you hate reading?
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^ This by the way helps your point in the first bit.
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Read the entire post before you yell at someone like they're an idiot.
3: Caldari and Gallente both have bonuses for blasters and rails not because they need both long and short range things (drones covers the long range for Gallente, and Rockets/HAM's/torps, cit torps covers Caldari's short range. It's just that Caldari and Gallente both get bonuses for hybrids. ANd really, Caldari's bonuses don't really help Caldari ships use blasters; in fact, Caldari ships with blasters is usually quite silly compared to a Gallente ship with blasters.
4: You've still yet to explain wtf you're talking about in the rest of your OP. |
Roger Cordill
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
378
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Posted - 2014.06.27 09:59:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:
No need to be rude - this is supposed to be constructive and we are trying to do that. If you are going to be rude, your feedback will be discounted.
Basically you have to assume Godin...aka Roger is not willing to accept reasonable arguments and base his opinion off fallacious generalisations reinforcing the notion he actually understand the lore of New Eden. In actuality he doesn't and stands by this belief even in the face of lore evidence and in game items and EVE lopedia summaries items. http://eveinfo.com/npcship/15844/eve-online-gallente-navy-125mm-railgun.htmlAn example of a 125mm Gallente Railgun as seen on old NPC units. Tell me Gallente don't use Railguns now? Will look for State Blasters.
I've already stated several times that Gallente uses rails. I have a ship with Fed NAvy rails (which imo are much better than the state rails, probably due them being better in closer ranges). You're way off.
Oh, and I'd love to see state rails, as I've never seen them. They surely aren't ingame for our use, and there's no named one that has anything to do with Caldari ingame.
EDIT: You say I don't understand it, and yet you say that a REALLY tiny possibility, which can be argued by a simple explanation that it used very commonly in like everywhere, even in the lore, and yet refuses to take ingame evidence, by both proof of no items existing, and on top of that, no hulls or frames in both games to support them (hybrid damage bonus isn't enough, and optimal range doesn't help a blaster, as getting a extra km doesn't really help you.) |
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