I think reactives are in a good place....

you get a slight decrease to movement with a small amount of rep and the trade is a bit of armor hp. stacking them gives you a decent buff to your armor while not diminishing your speed to badly and if your smart and use cover you can keep yourself near full health during a fire fight...

i think those who benefit the most from them are medium suits and i think that's who they were meant for. they serve my minmitar proto logi pretty well.

Please actually bother to read my post. As I said before, If you're going to stack reactives them you might as well use an armor repair with a ferroscale or basic plate and get much, much better results.

Except that requires twice the sp investment and more module slots, so of course it should be better.

100% agreed. along with one additional tweak: take the movement penalty away too. reactives should be for shield/high hp recovery tankers. both them depend on movement speed to compensate for their low/weak hp.

and again, yes, the Minmatar suits do need their 1hp/s armor regen back. they are supposed to be fast and highly recoverable in trade-off for their HP being the lowest of all races in-game.

You can't take away the movement penalty because it will give too much benefit and make Ferroscale Plates lost their strong point.

alright, for low sp guys use a militia repair tool then and just work on armor. It still gives you better results unless youre using two prototype plates even vice versa works.

Please actually bother to read my post. As I said before, If you're going to stack reactives them you might as well use an armor repair with a ferroscale or basic plate and get much, much better results.

whats with you morons thinking people don't read your posts because people disagree with you?

Because it's pretty stupid to stack reactive platess, that's pretty moronic in and of itself.

I disagreed with the guy with the movement penalty but I didn't say anything bad against him.

You could have disagreed to any other points and had any other examples but that one was incredibly stupid.

Because it's pretty stupid to stack reactive platess, that's pretty moronic in and of itself.

I disagreed with the guy with the movement penalty but I didn't say anything bad against him.

You could have disagreed to any other points and had any other examples but that one was incredibly stupid.

With the increase of armor repair modules I find it hard to justify the use of an Reactive Plate. For much, much better results you usually pair it with a Ferroscale of same, or even lower, tier along with an Armor repair module.

The only time I see the Reactive plates working out is when you play as a Minmatar, or another low Low Slot based suit and want a sliver of armor and at least a 1 hp/s of armor.


I would be fine with this if the use of Reactive Plates was primarily for non armor tanked suits with low slots but I find that hard to believe.

The weird thing is that the only improvement I would see to the Reactive plates would be to increase the armor repair rate to 1/2/3 (or even 2/3/4 if that's not enough) progressing through the lowest and highest tier instead of the 1/1/2 hp/s featured now.

- The Reactive modules are in a great spot and only the repair rate should be changed but still they are overshadowed by the other alternative modules. So, how would we solve this?




Additional Clause: Give Minmatar suits a universal 1 hp/s

P.S. Before anybody starts screaming about "no more Speed racer brinked tanked scouts", I fully Agree but that's a different matter entirely.

With the increase of armor repair modules I find it hard to justify the use of an Reactive Plate. For much, much better results you usually pair it with a Ferroscale of same, or even lower, tier along with an Armor repair module.

The only time I see the Reactive plates working out is when you play as a Minmatar, or another low Low Slot based suit and want a sliver of armor and at least a 1 hp/s of armor.


I would be fine with this if the use of Reactive Plates was primarily for non armor tanked suits with low slots but I find that hard to believe.

The weird thing is that the only improvement I would see to the Reactive plates would be to increase the armor repair rate to 1/2/3 (or even 2/3/4 if that's not enough) progressing through the lowest and highest tier instead of the 1/1/2 hp/s featured now.

- The Reactive modules are in a great spot and only the repair rate should be changed but still they are overshadowed by the other alternative modules. So, how would we solve this?




Additional Clause: Give Minmatar suits a universal 1 hp/s

P.S. Before anybody starts screaming about "no more Speed racer brinked tanked scouts", I fully Agree but that's a different matter entirely.

Alright everybody, made a major mistake.
I meant to say move Reactives to High slots.

If Reactives were to move to high slots, a readjustment of all plate HP would be required to balance the sudden presence of even more armour. I agree that it would definitely help the Reactive plate but they'd need to be dropped to something like:

Basic: 1 HP/s; 10 HP; 1% penalty
Advanced: 2 HP/s; 15-20 HP; 2% penalty
Complex: 3 HP/s; 20-25 HP; 3% penalty

And I think we'd want to reduce the HP granted by regular plates down to something like 75/100/120 to prevent Armour becoming supremely dominant again.

I can agree to that Kirk, but the end result needs to be similar amounts of armour to what we can achieve now, whichnwoulkd require either a large reduction to the HP granted by the reactives and a small reduction to the regular plates, or a medium one to both.

I think the large/small would be more reasonable, since this would affect Amarr less (ie, they can brick tank as effectively) while Gallente would still get the benefit of fitting additional Reactive buffer and getting more room to put regenerative modules in.

I already use complex reactive plates (and ferroscale plates) on my Winmatar assault. The reactive gives me a little HP with a very minimum speed penalty (very important for my suit) plus compensates for my lost passive reps from last build. I'll leave the regulator discussion for another thread, but until regulators are better than 65 extra HP and 2 passive reps, my complex reactive is staying where it is.

However, I do wish they scaled better. Maybe not 1/2/3, but at the very least 1/1.5/2. That enhanced plate is the odd man out. Either needs a .5 tacked on or complex and enhanced both need +1 reps/sec. I'm all for having 3 passive reps instead of 2, just to be clear.

What would you say if Caldari had a nice shield buff making them the Shield tanker they are supposed to be( not generative Caldari are the Amarr of shields to an extent ) and Minmatar get a nice depletion and recharge buff.

Would two Grand buffs to the shield races allow for the previous point?

I think it would, although I think you're getting away from your original intent: making Reactive Plates an effective choice by moving them to high slots. The simple solution would be a rejiggering of plate HP across the spectrum to account for the new availability of high plates.

I would love to dive in on a grand rejiggering of the suits and some modules, but I think that would be a whole Hotfix in and of itself, and would require some hefty number crunching! If you want to try it, I'm game :D