DUST Search - Skills not applying to militia gear

Alena Ventrallis wrote:

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

Alena Ventrallis wrote:

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

In my honest opinion, none of the skills should apply.

Skills should most definitely apply. The only dissference should be the ability to fit them without skills, and for them to suffer some detriment, like reload speed, mag cap, etc. My skills should apply to all the rifles of a given class, including militia.

Then why go military grade?

Performance per cost is many times more efficient on militia. Especially those who have BPO ones and its considered one of the larger problems in the game that people would rather stay with militia gear than to upgrade.

That's like saying why bother gearing up in an MMO your skills encompasses everything you'll ever need.

In which case, people would simply stick with standard gear, right? But they don't, because after skills, gear quality is the next step to get an edge on an opponent. Militia gear should be somewhat competitive with the other gear.

Eve side, my skills apply to the free rookie ships, hell they even have their own recommended skillsets. So why wouldn't we have skills apply to the rookie suits too?

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Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone Psychotic Alliance 1362	Posted - 2014.06.20 20:21:00 - [1] - Quote My skills don't seem to be applying to my militia rail rifle on my starter fit. The rapid reload skill anyway. Calmanndo user with nova knives: Because someone has to do it.
IMMORTAL WAR HERO NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 148	Posted - 2014.06.20 20:22:00 - [2] - Quote because they are not supposed to Frowned upon by amateurs: The object of war is not to die for your country but make the other bastard die for his. GSP
TechMechMeds Inner.Hell 3656	Posted - 2014.06.20 20:25:00 - [3] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: My skills don't seem to be applying to my militia rail rifle on my starter fit. The rapid reload skill anyway. I think i saw you in a match yesterday. you was brandishing knives and i thought wtf lol. I will spam your face with aurum proto.
Derrith Erador 2118	Posted - 2014.06.20 20:26:00 - [4] - Quote Militia gear reloads slower than the standard stuff. That's probably why you don't feel it. Betty White, the worlds hottest grandma.
Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone Psychotic Alliance 1362	Posted - 2014.06.20 20:27:00 - [5] - Quote No, I timed it with a stopwatch. 4.1 seconds, with level 3 rapid reload, which should make it 3.4 seconds, which is significantly faster. Calmanndo user with nova knives: Because someone has to do it.
Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone Psychotic Alliance 1362	Posted - 2014.06.20 20:28:00 - [6] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: My skills don't seem to be applying to my militia rail rifle on my starter fit. The rapid reload skill anyway. I think i saw you in a match yesterday. you was brandishing knives and i thought wtf lol. Calmanndo with nova knives, brah. If I don't do it, who will? Calmanndo user with nova knives: Because someone has to do it.
TechMechMeds Inner.Hell 3656	Posted - 2014.06.20 20:31:00 - [7] - Quote Im getting pretty adept with my min sentinel. I might have to replace the shield reg with a kin kat and the energizer for more shield so i can stab people efficiently. Built for that one stab in the face but longer regen. I will spam your face with aurum proto.
Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone Psychotic Alliance 1362	Posted - 2014.06.20 20:44:00 - [8] - Quote So my proficiency is applying, just not my rapid reload. Calmanndo user with nova knives: Because someone has to do it.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15552	Posted - 2014.06.20 21:45:00 - [9] - Quote In my honest opinion, none of the skills should apply. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Gallente Logistics =// Unlocked
Gooseman Manwhore CREATURES OF THE NIGHT 62	Posted - 2014.06.20 21:57:00 - [10] - Quote It's militia gear. You pay maybe 900 isk per weapon. It's meant to be lowest of the low but still useable. Almost like a Kalashnikov. I put the sexi in dyslexia

Tectonic Fusion 1740	Posted - 2014.06.20 22:04:00 - [11] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: In my honest opinion, none of the skills should apply. Then they should add a militia only mode, so they can fight there.
Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone Psychotic Alliance 1363	Posted - 2014.06.20 22:59:00 - [12] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: In my honest opinion, none of the skills should apply. Skills should most definitely apply. The only dissference should be the ability to fit them without skills, and for them to suffer some detriment, like reload speed, mag cap, etc. My skills should apply to all the rifles of a given class, including militia. Calmanndo user with nova knives: Because someone has to do it.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15557	Posted - 2014.06.20 23:15:00 - [13] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: In my honest opinion, none of the skills should apply. Skills should most definitely apply. The only dissference should be the ability to fit them without skills, and for them to suffer some detriment, like reload speed, mag cap, etc. My skills should apply to all the rifles of a given class, including militia. Then why go military grade? Performance per cost is many times more efficient on militia. Especially those who have BPO ones and its considered one of the larger problems in the game that people would rather stay with militia gear than to upgrade. That's like saying why bother gearing up in an MMO your skills encompasses everything you'll ever need. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Gallente Logistics =// Unlocked
Cogadh Draco WarRavens Final Resolution. 39	Posted - 2014.06.20 23:25:00 - [14] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: In my honest opinion, none of the skills should apply. I agree, if it's the lowest gear that costs close to nothing and requires no skill in 'em, then they should remain the way they are.
Jotun Izalaru Goonfeet 140	Posted - 2014.06.20 23:30:00 - [15] - Quote The incentive to upgrade is not everyone can cope with lower clip size and worse reload and less advantages overall. You upgrade to cover your skill deficiencies. You stay low-grade to fix them. Your actual SP earned skills applying to militia weapons helps this - your rapid reload skill may make you reload faster, but still not as fast as a normal gun would. Your commando skill makes your militia rifle more damaging by a percentage.... but not as damaging as a standard and above rifle under the same circumstance. You can practice this way, because your skills matter, but you're still disadvantaged because they matter less.
Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone Psychotic Alliance 1363	Posted - 2014.06.20 23:32:00 - [16] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: In my honest opinion, none of the skills should apply. Skills should most definitely apply. The only dissference should be the ability to fit them without skills, and for them to suffer some detriment, like reload speed, mag cap, etc. My skills should apply to all the rifles of a given class, including militia. Then why go military grade? Performance per cost is many times more efficient on militia. Especially those who have BPO ones and its considered one of the larger problems in the game that people would rather stay with militia gear than to upgrade. That's like saying why bother gearing up in an MMO your skills encompasses everything you'll ever need. In which case, people would simply stick with standard gear, right? But they don't, because after skills, gear quality is the next step to get an edge on an opponent. Militia gear should be somewhat competitive with the other gear. Eve side, my skills apply to the free rookie ships, hell they even have their own recommended skillsets. So why wouldn't we have skills apply to the rookie suits too? Calmanndo user with nova knives: Because someone has to do it.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15559	Posted - 2014.06.20 23:41:00 - [17] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: In my honest opinion, none of the skills should apply. Skills should most definitely apply. The only dissference should be the ability to fit them without skills, and for them to suffer some detriment, like reload speed, mag cap, etc. My skills should apply to all the rifles of a given class, including militia. Then why go military grade? Performance per cost is many times more efficient on militia. Especially those who have BPO ones and its considered one of the larger problems in the game that people would rather stay with militia gear than to upgrade. That's like saying why bother gearing up in an MMO your skills encompasses everything you'll ever need. In which case, people would simply stick with standard gear, right? But they don't, because after skills, gear quality is the next step to get an edge on an opponent. Militia gear should be somewhat competitive with the other gear. Eve side, my skills apply to the free rookie ships, hell they even have their own recommended skillsets. So why wouldn't we have skills apply to the rookie suits too? Eve is tiericided though and its going further way way with all modules coming next. Also rookie ships do not get a per level bonus unlike every other ship in eve just about save the shuttle. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Gallente Logistics =// Unlocked
Grand Master Kubo PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 88	Posted - 2014.06.21 00:08:00 - [18] - Quote I have scrambler pistol operation five and get 13 shots in a militia scrambler pistol. If skills don't stack on militia weapons then passives shouldn't stack on militia frames. I see no reason why skilling into a weapon shouldn't benefit militia variants.
Tectonic Fusion 1746	Posted - 2014.06.21 00:39:00 - [19] - Quote Grand Master Kubo wrote: I have scrambler pistol operation five and get 13 shots in a militia scrambler pistol. If skills don't stack on militia weapons then passives shouldn't stack on militia frames. I see no reason why skilling into a weapon shouldn't benefit militia variants. In case militia only mode gets released.
Leovarian L Lavitz Last VenDetta. Dark Taboo 1095	Posted - 2014.06.21 01:21:00 - [20] - Quote Instead of Militia only mode, frontline only mode, can only spawn in un-modified frontline suits! the suits get no bonuses in any way (gear, weapons, skills passives) We should call it Gun Gale. Omni-Soldier Few are my equal in these specialties, none compare in all of them



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