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TechMechMeds Inner.Hell 3637	Posted - 2014.06.20 12:32:00 - [1] - Quote They cater purely to the vets really. And just when the enemy looks to be fighting back and there's a decent gunfight, an orbital is dropped and basically finishes the match. I hate to admit this but its just not necessary and its just a cheap I win button. Literally as soon as there's a decent gunfight, someone drops and ob. I played about 50 ambushes yesterday. We lost 4-5 matches, if that. Everytime the enemy fought back, an orbital p!ssed in their cornflakes and a lot of players in ambush are newbs. There's really no need for it and I have never seen a newb squad get that game changing ob ever, us vets get them within a minute roughly because we are brutally efficient. It never works for the newbs. It just ends the match quicker for us vets. We cloned 1 game at 11.47 timer.......... What are everyone else's thoughts?. The struggle is real Confirmed by my toilet
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 2326	Posted - 2014.06.20 12:36:00 - [2] - Quote Here's how it is: People can either drop them or save them. Save for prototype vs militia. Sure, the proto users can get off the crutch, but where's the fun in that when they can suffer a massive stomp without that gear? They, too, have that choice. This is a signature. You have been enlightened.
Taylor Badasz Proficiency V. 162	Posted - 2014.06.20 12:37:00 - [3] - Quote How about no OBs in normal ambush? Lazer focused...
Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 3642	Posted - 2014.06.20 12:48:00 - [4] - Quote Next we should remove protogear from Ambush. It's a TDM; it should be about skill, not gear!! CCP Rattati Best Dev AmLogi 5 GÇó AmAss 5 GÇó AmSent 4 GÇó CalScout 5 CalLogi, you're next!
TechMechMeds Inner.Hell 3637	Posted - 2014.06.20 12:52:00 - [5] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: Here's how it is: People can either drop them or save them. Same for prototype vs militia. Sure, the proto users can get off the crutch, but where's the fun in that when they can suffer a massive stomp without that gear? They, too, have that choice. Honestly, the game's reached the end of its life cycle. There's nothing that can be done except wait out the inevitable. Here's how it actually is. With what's happened, dust will require a re download with every content update so right now the current balance issues are getting sorted first. Rattati explains in another thread himself so go check that out, I can't remember which one. And concerning choice, dust has shown 0 integrity in making the 'right' choice. Everything so far has been farmed and exploited beyond ridiculous. This shows that people generally cannot handle choice but its not all the players fault.......apparently. The struggle is real Confirmed by my toilet
TechMechMeds Inner.Hell 3637	Posted - 2014.06.20 13:01:00 - [6] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: Here's how it is: People can either drop them or save them. Same for prototype vs militia. Sure, the proto users can get off the crutch, but where's the fun in that when they can suffer a massive stomp without that gear? They, too, have that choice. Honestly, the game's reached the end of its life cycle. There's nothing that can be done except wait out the inevitable. CCP Rattati wrote: It is also a factor of low hanging fruits versus the "recook" issue. Basically, some content like textures requires a recook of assets, which leads to everyone needing to download the whole client again, sometimes partially but sometimes the whole X GB the client is. We can do it, but there are many things I would like to tweak/fix before we bother the playerbase with a full client re-download. If the content gets created, by either the DUST 514 or Legion team, we can push it out. In a thread concerning content updates and its in context. If it gets created though, so we shall see but that's not something you'd admit without a motive when you could just be quiet and let the game die right?. The struggle is real Confirmed by my toilet
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 551	Posted - 2014.06.20 13:05:00 - [7] - Quote from regular ambush, no OB's doesn't sound like a bad idea as it is almost the same thing as a blaster tank OMS however... there should be at least one ambush mode with OB's What all Minjas are thinking as they play... Yellow Heavy, Red Heavy...
Ealphea Aeeagol Last VenDetta. Dark Taboo 5	Posted - 2014.06.20 13:07:00 - [8] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: stuff Yeah. No tanks, no orbitals, no proto, no heavies, no scouts-with-shotguns, no uplinks, no REs. Maybe just pistols and only 100HP... Sigh. Will the whine ever end?
TechMechMeds Inner.Hell 3637	Posted - 2014.06.20 13:08:00 - [9] - Quote Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: from regular ambush, no OB's doesn't sound like a bad idea as it is almost the same thing as a blaster tank OMS however... there should be at least one ambush mode with OB's That sounds good to me. Ambush - fight to the death OMS - Vehicles, higher clone count and OBS. The struggle is real Confirmed by my toilet
TechMechMeds Inner.Hell 3637	Posted - 2014.06.20 13:09:00 - [10] - Quote Ealphea Aeeagol wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: stuff Yeah. No tanks, no orbitals, no proto, no heavies, no scouts-with-shotguns, no uplinks, no REs. Maybe just pistols and only 100HP... Sigh. Will the whine ever end? There's no whining. In fact that pretty clear is it not?. The struggle is real Confirmed by my toilet

Gooseman Manwhore CREATURES OF THE NIGHT 60	Posted - 2014.06.20 13:09:00 - [11] - Quote Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: from regular ambush, no OB's doesn't sound like a bad idea as it is almost the same thing as a blaster tank OMS however... there should be at least one ambush mode with OB's OB's in ambush OMS would help with tanks. I understand completely about the OB's in ambush because I had two dropped on me in the same match. I think it's kind of ridiculous, and at that point I generally just quit or usually just stop spawning. I put the sexi in dyslexia
TechMechMeds Inner.Hell 3637	Posted - 2014.06.20 13:18:00 - [12] - Quote The games literally go like this more often than not. We spawn. We spawn camp newbs. We follow to the next spawn about 30 metres away. We spawn camp them. We get an orbital. We drop it on them. We clear out those gimps that actually run and hide. The orbitals just make it worse and sometimes they really fight back but we just ob them and end the game quicker. Even if its an even match, the OBS aren't needed as it just kills the gunfight. The struggle is real Confirmed by my toilet
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3286	Posted - 2014.06.20 13:58:00 - [13] - Quote OB'S are a direct punishment for blob warfare which happends now again more frequently in ambush. I allways love to drop a OB on a group of 10 heavys.
Kain Spero Goonfeet 3638	Posted - 2014.06.20 14:52:00 - [14] - Quote I actually agree that War Barge strikes have no place in Ambush. WP for OBs is already a pretty bad "win more" system but in Ambush where the primary objective is to kill and not hold points it is even worse. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
ZDub 303 Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 3050	Posted - 2014.06.20 15:15:00 - [15] - Quote The WP cost of OBs is far too low as well. Up that OB cost up to 4k and you would see less OBs before the end of match. I don't disagree though, OBs don't really have a place in Ambush.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 1982	Posted - 2014.06.20 15:19:00 - [16] - Quote Orbitals in ambush are STUPID. get them alot for our side but why? The thing about Ambush is; Once one side is wiped... they will never get a full 16 mercenaries back on the battlefield in an effective manner again, mostly due to spawn mechanics. And the Orbitals cater to the stomping and uncompetitive matches and eventual boredom.
TechMechMeds Inner.Hell 3644	Posted - 2014.06.20 16:28:00 - [17] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: The WP cost of OBs is far too low as well. Up that OB cost up to 4k and you would see less OBs before the end of match. I don't disagree though, OBs don't really have a place in Ambush. Its just a cheap shtty way to further make the match one sided. I had 2 earlier in one match lol. The struggle is real Confirmed by my toilet
Kam Elto KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 326	Posted - 2014.06.20 16:36:00 - [18] - Quote Ealphea Aeeagol wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: stuff Yeah. No tanks, no orbitals, no proto, no heavies, no scouts-with-shotguns, no uplinks, no REs. Maybe just pistols and only 100HP... Sigh. Will the whine ever end? sticks, stones and harsh language only!!!
IraqiFriendshipExplosive ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 91	Posted - 2014.06.20 16:36:00 - [19] - Quote I will only say this - Warbarge strikes need seriously higher WP requirements. They are much to easy to farm these days. Increase the WP needed by a thousand or even two thousand more.
TechMechMeds Inner.Hell 3646	Posted - 2014.06.20 17:00:00 - [20] - Quote IraqiFriendshipExplosive wrote: I will only say this - Warbarge strikes need seriously higher WP requirements. They are much to easy to farm these days. Increase the WP needed by a thousand or even two thousand more. Increasing it only makes it harder for newbs and still a guarantee for us vets. It should just be removed from infantry ambush i believe. You can either raise the wp so its basically vet exclusive or make it so high that MAYBE a vet will get it but there's no chance a newb will. On a slightly nostalgic note, dont yoou just miss when everyone in the squad would be like "OB! omg!" I will spam your face with aurum proto.

TechMechMeds Inner.Hell 3646	Posted - 2014.06.20 17:02:00 - [21] - Quote I can literally farm 1000 wp alone within less than two mins with my hives, links, rep tool and injector set up. Not even farming either, just playing the game and getting orbitals. Raising the wp cost will further push it into vets only territory. they should just be removed from regular ambush. I will spam your face with aurum proto.
Izlare Lenix Last VenDetta. Dark Taboo 709	Posted - 2014.06.20 17:05:00 - [22] - Quote I want a milita/basic gear only ambush. No vehicles, no obs, no top tier gear crutches. Just player skill. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
TechMechMeds Inner.Hell 3646	Posted - 2014.06.20 17:09:00 - [23] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: I want a milita/basic gear only ambush. No vehicles, no obs, no top tier gear crutches. Just player skill. Sounds really cool but my mlt gear with my passives is as good as adv almost. You might want to propose that passives are de activated in this mlt ambush, maybe even have a vr training simulator that never ends etc?. you should make an actual separate thread for that mate. I will spam your face with aurum proto.
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 877	Posted - 2014.06.20 18:11:00 - [24] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: They cater purely to the vets really. And just when the enemy looks to be fighting back and there's a decent gunfight, an orbital is dropped and basically finishes the match. I hate to admit this but its just not necessary and its just a cheap I win button. Literally as soon as there's a decent gunfight, someone drops and ob. I played about 50 ambushes yesterday. We lost 4-5 matches, if that. Everytime the enemy fought back, an orbital p!ssed in their cornflakes and a lot of players in ambush are newbs. There's really no need for it and I have never seen a newb squad get that game changing ob ever, us vets get them within a minute roughly because we are brutally efficient. It never works for the newbs. It just ends the match quicker for us vets. We cloned 1 game at 11.47 timer.......... What are everyone else's thoughts?. Why limit it to Ambush, the same factors are even worse in Dominatiin. The whole OB strike system favors stomping. Because, that's why.
Mortedeamor Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1562	Posted - 2014.06.20 18:14:00 - [25] - Quote i disagree completely however i do think that obs should cost 3-4 k wp which would make them much harder to get in stnd ambush
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 463	Posted - 2014.06.20 18:39:00 - [26] - Quote The 2500 wp threshold is too low for a 6 man squad. It was set that way from back when squads were smaller. It's 625 sp each for a 4 man squad...this could be coupled for 2 extra players adding 1250 for the threshold. Observe the public trust. Protect the innocent. Uphold the law.
TechMechMeds Inner.Hell 3654	Posted - 2014.06.20 18:46:00 - [27] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: They cater purely to the vets really. And just when the enemy looks to be fighting back and there's a decent gunfight, an orbital is dropped and basically finishes the match. I hate to admit this but its just not necessary and its just a cheap I win button. Literally as soon as there's a decent gunfight, someone drops and ob. I played about 50 ambushes yesterday. We lost 4-5 matches, if that. Everytime the enemy fought back, an orbital p!ssed in their cornflakes and a lot of players in ambush are newbs. There's really no need for it and I have never seen a newb squad get that game changing ob ever, us vets get them within a minute roughly because we are brutally efficient. It never works for the newbs. It just ends the match quicker for us vets. We cloned 1 game at 11.47 timer.......... What are everyone else's thoughts?. Why limit it to Ambush, the same factors are even worse in Dominatiin. The whole OB strike system favors stomping. Someone mentioned dom having alternating objectives during the match. If done right then it would remove camping. I will spam your face with aurum proto.
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 100	Posted - 2014.06.20 19:04:00 - [28] - Quote hey we got rid of vehicles in ambush! now lets get rid of orbitals! next, we can get rid of infantry!
Scheneighnay McBob Cult of Gasai 5348	Posted - 2014.06.20 19:06:00 - [29] - Quote I'm still in favor of having them kill players from both teams, no matter the game mode. Orbitals are a far worse problem in dom because any squads just spam orbitals onto the objective. Need to cap? Run in while dropping an orbital on yourself Oooh, now the enemy team countered by running in while dropping an orbital on themselves. You know how to fix this? Run in while dropping an orbital on yourself Those bastards did it again by running in while dropping in orbital on themselves. You know what to do. pé¦pâ+pé¦pâ½pâäpâ¬pâ¦pé¦pâ¼pâ+pâêpü»sñ¬S+ïpéè
TechMechMeds Inner.Hell 3654	Posted - 2014.06.20 19:33:00 - [30] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I'm still in favor of having them kill players from both teams, no matter the game mode. Orbitals are a far worse problem in dom because any squads just spam orbitals onto the objective. Need to cap? Run in while dropping an orbital on yourself Oooh, now the enemy team countered by running in while dropping an orbital on themselves. You know how to fix this? Run in while dropping an orbital on yourself Those bastards did it again by running in while dropping in orbital on themselves. You know what to do. This thread has nothing to do with dom mate. the issue is that we are literally just farming newbs in between occasionally fighting each other in bush. the newbs begin to fight back and we just ob them. Or we just go from spawn camp to spawn camp farming them and then drop an ob right at the end to finish them off. It is almost systematic lol. in many cases its 'who gets the ob first wins'. theres also the morale degradation that comes from being obed and newbs have little while facing proto anyway. I will spam your face with aurum proto.

TechMechMeds Inner.Hell 3654	Posted - 2014.06.20 19:38:00 - [31] - Quote theres been many times when they fight back and gain ground but by that point, almost every time, someone is already crouching in a corner and i have my rep tool on them ready for guardians. ambush should be straight gun play but keep the obs in OMS. I will spam your face with aurum proto.
bogeyman m Minmatar Republic 271	Posted - 2014.06.20 22:25:00 - [32] - Quote - make squad size for all types of pub matches = 4 - make all kills from an OB = 50% WPs (The kills could still count, but they wouldn't propagate another OB quick so quickly.) Fixed. Duct tape 2.0 ... Have WD-40; will travel. Cross Atu for CPM1
TechMechMeds Inner.Hell 3658	Posted - 2014.06.20 22:30:00 - [33] - Quote Orbitals are now officially ok in ambush. Nothing to see here. I will spam your face with aurum proto.
Michael Arck 4768	Posted - 2014.06.20 23:15:00 - [34] - Quote GD, you're trying to rip this game into your dog and pony show. Stop it. Warbarge strikes are fine. Some us do like to fight for our wins instead of having a developer change the game so we can win. Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
TechMechMeds Inner.Hell 3659	Posted - 2014.06.20 23:27:00 - [35] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: GD, you're trying to rip this game into your dog and pony show. Stop it. Warbarge strikes are fine. Some us do like to fight for our wins instead of having a developer change the game so we can win. Yeah it cool, they are only bots. I will spam your face with aurum proto.
TechMechMeds Inner.Hell 3659	Posted - 2014.06.20 23:29:00 - [36] - Quote I just had a momentary lapse of judgement, nothing more. I will spam your face with aurum proto.
Thokk Nightshade KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 396	Posted - 2014.06.21 00:03:00 - [37] - Quote My major issue with Orbitals is that the WP from them COUNT TOWARDS THE NEXT ORBITAL! If there was a way for CCP to put in a filter that still allows for the WP's but those points do not count towards another orbital, I would not have nearly the issue with them I do now. I think the highest I've ever seen for a single Orbital is 10. That is 500 WP right there, 1/5 of the way to the next orbital. With a 5 person squad, this means 400 WP a person to the next one (I know that's versus 500, but that's not the point). Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 119	Posted - 2014.06.21 00:30:00 - [38] - Quote Taylor Badasz wrote: How about no OBs in normal ambush? how bout "git gud"
Michael Arck 4773	Posted - 2014.06.21 00:32:00 - [39] - Quote LOL I remember the first time I heard that noise in Dust. I looked up in the sky, thinking some ship was going to appear. ha, I was so wrong. Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven 1937	Posted - 2014.06.21 00:35:00 - [40] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: from regular ambush, no OB's doesn't sound like a bad idea as it is almost the same thing as a blaster tank OMS however... there should be at least one ambush mode with OB's That sounds good to me. Ambush - fight to the death OMS - Vehicles, higher clone count and OBS. Then finally split them up as two distinct modes making it: Skirmish Domination Ambush OMS Ambush And we are golden, I bet we would see some amazing competitive fights in Ambush if this change is made. The Sinwarden of 0uter.Heaven



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