DUST Search - Are orbitals in ambush necessary?

Nothing Certain wrote:

TechMechMeds wrote:

They cater purely to the vets really.

And just when the enemy looks to be fighting back and there's a decent gunfight, an orbital is dropped and basically finishes the match.

I hate to admit this but its just not necessary and its just a cheap I win button.

Literally as soon as there's a decent gunfight, someone drops and ob.

I played about 50 ambushes yesterday.

We lost 4-5 matches, if that.

Everytime the enemy fought back, an orbital p!ssed in their cornflakes and a lot of players in ambush are newbs.

There's really no need for it and I have never seen a newb squad get that game changing ob ever, us vets get them within a minute roughly because we are brutally efficient.

It never works for the newbs. It just ends the match quicker for us vets.

We cloned 1 game at 11.47 timer..........

What are everyone else's thoughts?.

Why limit it to Ambush, the same factors are even worse in Dominatiin. The whole OB strike system favors stomping.


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TechMechMeds Inner.Hell 3637	Posted - 2014.06.20 12:32:00 - [1] - Quote They cater purely to the vets really. And just when the enemy looks to be fighting back and there's a decent gunfight, an orbital is dropped and basically finishes the match. I hate to admit this but its just not necessary and its just a cheap I win button. Literally as soon as there's a decent gunfight, someone drops and ob. I played about 50 ambushes yesterday. We lost 4-5 matches, if that. Everytime the enemy fought back, an orbital p!ssed in their cornflakes and a lot of players in ambush are newbs. There's really no need for it and I have never seen a newb squad get that game changing ob ever, us vets get them within a minute roughly because we are brutally efficient. It never works for the newbs. It just ends the match quicker for us vets. We cloned 1 game at 11.47 timer.......... What are everyone else's thoughts?. The struggle is real Confirmed by my toilet
TechMechMeds Inner.Hell 3637	Posted - 2014.06.20 12:52:00 - [2] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: Here's how it is: People can either drop them or save them. Same for prototype vs militia. Sure, the proto users can get off the crutch, but where's the fun in that when they can suffer a massive stomp without that gear? They, too, have that choice. Honestly, the game's reached the end of its life cycle. There's nothing that can be done except wait out the inevitable. Here's how it actually is. With what's happened, dust will require a re download with every content update so right now the current balance issues are getting sorted first. Rattati explains in another thread himself so go check that out, I can't remember which one. And concerning choice, dust has shown 0 integrity in making the 'right' choice. Everything so far has been farmed and exploited beyond ridiculous. This shows that people generally cannot handle choice but its not all the players fault.......apparently. The struggle is real Confirmed by my toilet
TechMechMeds Inner.Hell 3637	Posted - 2014.06.20 13:01:00 - [3] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: Here's how it is: People can either drop them or save them. Same for prototype vs militia. Sure, the proto users can get off the crutch, but where's the fun in that when they can suffer a massive stomp without that gear? They, too, have that choice. Honestly, the game's reached the end of its life cycle. There's nothing that can be done except wait out the inevitable. CCP Rattati wrote: It is also a factor of low hanging fruits versus the "recook" issue. Basically, some content like textures requires a recook of assets, which leads to everyone needing to download the whole client again, sometimes partially but sometimes the whole X GB the client is. We can do it, but there are many things I would like to tweak/fix before we bother the playerbase with a full client re-download. If the content gets created, by either the DUST 514 or Legion team, we can push it out. In a thread concerning content updates and its in context. If it gets created though, so we shall see but that's not something you'd admit without a motive when you could just be quiet and let the game die right?. The struggle is real Confirmed by my toilet
TechMechMeds Inner.Hell 3637	Posted - 2014.06.20 13:08:00 - [4] - Quote Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: from regular ambush, no OB's doesn't sound like a bad idea as it is almost the same thing as a blaster tank OMS however... there should be at least one ambush mode with OB's That sounds good to me. Ambush - fight to the death OMS - Vehicles, higher clone count and OBS. The struggle is real Confirmed by my toilet
TechMechMeds Inner.Hell 3637	Posted - 2014.06.20 13:09:00 - [5] - Quote Ealphea Aeeagol wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: stuff Yeah. No tanks, no orbitals, no proto, no heavies, no scouts-with-shotguns, no uplinks, no REs. Maybe just pistols and only 100HP... Sigh. Will the whine ever end? There's no whining. In fact that pretty clear is it not?. The struggle is real Confirmed by my toilet
TechMechMeds Inner.Hell 3637	Posted - 2014.06.20 13:18:00 - [6] - Quote The games literally go like this more often than not. We spawn. We spawn camp newbs. We follow to the next spawn about 30 metres away. We spawn camp them. We get an orbital. We drop it on them. We clear out those gimps that actually run and hide. The orbitals just make it worse and sometimes they really fight back but we just ob them and end the game quicker. Even if its an even match, the OBS aren't needed as it just kills the gunfight. The struggle is real Confirmed by my toilet
TechMechMeds Inner.Hell 3644	Posted - 2014.06.20 16:28:00 - [7] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: The WP cost of OBs is far too low as well. Up that OB cost up to 4k and you would see less OBs before the end of match. I don't disagree though, OBs don't really have a place in Ambush. Its just a cheap shtty way to further make the match one sided. I had 2 earlier in one match lol. The struggle is real Confirmed by my toilet
TechMechMeds Inner.Hell 3646	Posted - 2014.06.20 17:00:00 - [8] - Quote IraqiFriendshipExplosive wrote: I will only say this - Warbarge strikes need seriously higher WP requirements. They are much to easy to farm these days. Increase the WP needed by a thousand or even two thousand more. Increasing it only makes it harder for newbs and still a guarantee for us vets. It should just be removed from infantry ambush i believe. You can either raise the wp so its basically vet exclusive or make it so high that MAYBE a vet will get it but there's no chance a newb will. On a slightly nostalgic note, dont yoou just miss when everyone in the squad would be like "OB! omg!" I will spam your face with aurum proto.
TechMechMeds Inner.Hell 3646	Posted - 2014.06.20 17:02:00 - [9] - Quote I can literally farm 1000 wp alone within less than two mins with my hives, links, rep tool and injector set up. Not even farming either, just playing the game and getting orbitals. Raising the wp cost will further push it into vets only territory. they should just be removed from regular ambush. I will spam your face with aurum proto.
TechMechMeds Inner.Hell 3646	Posted - 2014.06.20 17:09:00 - [10] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: I want a milita/basic gear only ambush. No vehicles, no obs, no top tier gear crutches. Just player skill. Sounds really cool but my mlt gear with my passives is as good as adv almost. You might want to propose that passives are de activated in this mlt ambush, maybe even have a vr training simulator that never ends etc?. you should make an actual separate thread for that mate. I will spam your face with aurum proto.

TechMechMeds Inner.Hell 3654	Posted - 2014.06.20 18:46:00 - [11] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: They cater purely to the vets really. And just when the enemy looks to be fighting back and there's a decent gunfight, an orbital is dropped and basically finishes the match. I hate to admit this but its just not necessary and its just a cheap I win button. Literally as soon as there's a decent gunfight, someone drops and ob. I played about 50 ambushes yesterday. We lost 4-5 matches, if that. Everytime the enemy fought back, an orbital p!ssed in their cornflakes and a lot of players in ambush are newbs. There's really no need for it and I have never seen a newb squad get that game changing ob ever, us vets get them within a minute roughly because we are brutally efficient. It never works for the newbs. It just ends the match quicker for us vets. We cloned 1 game at 11.47 timer.......... What are everyone else's thoughts?. Why limit it to Ambush, the same factors are even worse in Dominatiin. The whole OB strike system favors stomping. Someone mentioned dom having alternating objectives during the match. If done right then it would remove camping. I will spam your face with aurum proto.
TechMechMeds Inner.Hell 3654	Posted - 2014.06.20 19:33:00 - [12] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I'm still in favor of having them kill players from both teams, no matter the game mode. Orbitals are a far worse problem in dom because any squads just spam orbitals onto the objective. Need to cap? Run in while dropping an orbital on yourself Oooh, now the enemy team countered by running in while dropping an orbital on themselves. You know how to fix this? Run in while dropping an orbital on yourself Those bastards did it again by running in while dropping in orbital on themselves. You know what to do. This thread has nothing to do with dom mate. the issue is that we are literally just farming newbs in between occasionally fighting each other in bush. the newbs begin to fight back and we just ob them. Or we just go from spawn camp to spawn camp farming them and then drop an ob right at the end to finish them off. It is almost systematic lol. in many cases its 'who gets the ob first wins'. theres also the morale degradation that comes from being obed and newbs have little while facing proto anyway. I will spam your face with aurum proto.
TechMechMeds Inner.Hell 3654	Posted - 2014.06.20 19:38:00 - [13] - Quote theres been many times when they fight back and gain ground but by that point, almost every time, someone is already crouching in a corner and i have my rep tool on them ready for guardians. ambush should be straight gun play but keep the obs in OMS. I will spam your face with aurum proto.
TechMechMeds Inner.Hell 3658	Posted - 2014.06.20 22:30:00 - [14] - Quote Orbitals are now officially ok in ambush. Nothing to see here. I will spam your face with aurum proto.
TechMechMeds Inner.Hell 3659	Posted - 2014.06.20 23:27:00 - [15] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: GD, you're trying to rip this game into your dog and pony show. Stop it. Warbarge strikes are fine. Some us do like to fight for our wins instead of having a developer change the game so we can win. Yeah it cool, they are only bots. I will spam your face with aurum proto.
TechMechMeds Inner.Hell 3659	Posted - 2014.06.20 23:29:00 - [16] - Quote I just had a momentary lapse of judgement, nothing more. I will spam your face with aurum proto.