DUST Search - [Request] Starter medic loadout with a rep tool instead of a needle

Aeon Amadi wrote:

Cross Atu wrote:

Aeon Amadi wrote:

CCP Rattati wrote:

Atiim wrote:

While we're at it, is there a chance that the WP which would be originally gained from triage being added to the WP given upon reviving with higher tiered injectors?

I feel as if there would a lot more ADV and PRO Nanite Injectors on the field if players weren't "punished" for using them.

That is firmly on the list already, I am just looking at whether pro just gives naturally more WP in a tier progression, or if its based on actual WP healed (don't know how easy that is though).

Cross Atu is going to love seeing this Big smile

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EDIT: Some of the folks in squad tonight were floating the idea of having the racial logi starter fits be geared with the same equipment as their later suits will provide bonuses to. So, rep, hive, link, scan. All at their low meta types of course. Is there a coding issue with that or would something of this nature be possible?

I'd actually really like that, to be perfectly honest. It'd add some diversity to the new player's starting fits as well so that not everyone in the Academy is running around with injectors or rep tools. It'd be interesting to see how new players react to that, whether or not they realize what benefits each racial suit will provide them simply by looking at them.

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Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact The East India Co. 4271	Posted - 2014.06.19 17:03:00 - [1] - Quote It's hard to recall a positive experience i have had with some reviving me while they were wearing a milita medic suit. Many people do not enjoy being revived in the middle of battle only to get shot down a second later. Many of the people who use the medic suit load are newer players who don't full understand when it is okay to revive someone and when it is not. So i recommend you change the equipment slot from the default nanite injector to a rep tool. It is hard to do damage to your own team with a rep tool. Viktor for CPM I'll ring for free(Multiple roles, 51Mil SP) Chat Channel: Vik PC
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 95	Posted - 2014.06.19 17:10:00 - [2] - Quote or started medics get 2 equip slots and have both needle and rep tool but no side arm Minmatar Logibro in training. Rusty needles anyone? No Mic and no time for "Squeekers" Nerf scout cloak+shotgun
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 3765	Posted - 2014.06.19 17:43:00 - [3] - Quote I fully support switching the Nanite Injector for a Repair Tool. Regarding the Nanite Injector, I think the whole system should be changed so that Kills and Deaths are only registered on your stats if you actually loose the clone. If this change was implemented I would have no problem with the Medic suit having an Injector, but I donGÇÖt expect that to happen until Legion. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
B-F M Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 14	Posted - 2014.06.19 18:35:00 - [4] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: It's hard to recall a positive experience i have had with some reviving me while they were wearing a milita medic suit. Many people do not enjoy being revived in the middle of battle only to get shot down a second later. Many of the people who use the medic suit load are newer players who don't full understand when it is okay to revive someone and when it is not. So i recommend you change the equipment slot from the default nanite injector to a rep tool. It is hard to do damage to your own team with a rep tool. +1 This is a great idea. Also, starting with a rep tool is a much better intro to logi-ing (logying?) than a dirty needle.
Skullmiser Vulcansu 121	Posted - 2014.06.20 02:11:00 - [5] - Quote B-F M wrote: +1 This is a great idea. Also, starting with a rep tool is a much better intro to logi-ing (logying?) than a dirty needle. Logistics. The word is Logistics. Yes. I agree. before I had a logistics suit, I carried a repair tool on medium frames. It seemed much more helpful. It still does, even now that I have prototype versions of them. If this game was fun, I wouldn't be playing it.

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 2923	Posted - 2014.06.20 03:15:00 - [6] - Quote sounds good, on the list you go "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact The East India Co. 4278	Posted - 2014.06.20 03:20:00 - [7] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: sounds good, on the list you go thanks o7 Viktor for CPM I'll ring for free(Multiple roles, 51Mil SP) Chat Channel: Vik PC
lithkul devant Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 253	Posted - 2014.06.20 04:11:00 - [8] - Quote Skullmiser Vulcansu wrote: B-F M wrote: +1 This is a great idea. Also, starting with a rep tool is a much better intro to logi-ing (logying?) than a dirty needle. Logistics. The word is Logistics. Yes. I agree. before I had a logistics suit, I carried a repair tool on medium frames. It seemed much more helpful. It still does, even now that I have prototype versions of them. Well....maybe the medic fit should be more of a half assed logi suit so that new players can experience different suit types rather then just the assault suit and learn how to switch equipment and all that way.
Atiim NoGameNoLife 9634	Posted - 2014.06.20 04:21:00 - [9] - Quote While we're at it, is there a chance that the WP which would be originally gained from triage being added to the WP given upon reviving with higher tiered injectors? I feel as if there would a lot more ADV and PRO Nanite Injectors on the field if players weren't "punished" for using them. -Insert Clever Statement Here- "The Snack That Smiles Back; Amarr Suits" -HAND
Malkai Inos Any Given Day 1404	Posted - 2014.06.20 04:46:00 - [10] - Quote Atiim wrote: While we're at it, is there a chance that the WP which would be originally gained from triage being added to the WP given upon reviving with higher tiered injectors? I feel as if there would a lot more ADV and PRO Nanite Injectors on the field if players weren't "punished" for using them. If there's any chance of this happening that would be awesome. I also like the idea of somehow re-using the rep-cycle code to get this live without any client changes. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 2947	Posted - 2014.06.20 04:49:00 - [11] - Quote Atiim wrote: While we're at it, is there a chance that the WP which would be originally gained from triage being added to the WP given upon reviving with higher tiered injectors? I feel as if there would a lot more ADV and PRO Nanite Injectors on the field if players weren't "punished" for using them. That is firmly on the list already, I am just looking at whether pro just gives naturally more WP in a tier progression, or if its based on actual WP healed (don't know how easy that is though). "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Malkai Inos Any Given Day 1405	Posted - 2014.06.20 04:51:00 - [12] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Atiim wrote: While we're at it, is there a chance that the WP which would be originally gained from triage being added to the WP given upon reviving with higher tiered injectors? I feel as if there would a lot more ADV and PRO Nanite Injectors on the field if players weren't "punished" for using them. That is firmly on the list already, I am just looking at whether pro just gives naturally more WP in a tier progression, or if its based on actual WP healed (don't know how easy that is though). Basing it on actual HP (as in flat HP count) healed might disincentivice using it on scouts and shield tanks in general. Not sure that's such a good idea. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3521	Posted - 2014.06.20 05:28:00 - [13] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Atiim wrote: While we're at it, is there a chance that the WP which would be originally gained from triage being added to the WP given upon reviving with higher tiered injectors? I feel as if there would a lot more ADV and PRO Nanite Injectors on the field if players weren't "punished" for using them. That is firmly on the list already, I am just looking at whether pro just gives naturally more WP in a tier progression, or if its based on actual WP healed (don't know how easy that is though). Why not just give WP equal to the % of armor repaired? And +1 to the OP, great great idea, would give both a better intro to being a logi and also dramatically cut down on the number of MLT injectors in use. (The godfather of tactical logistics) Quitting cold turkey was impossible. The forum patch is helping me kick the habit
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact The East India Co. 4286	Posted - 2014.06.20 05:29:00 - [14] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Atiim wrote: While we're at it, is there a chance that the WP which would be originally gained from triage being added to the WP given upon reviving with higher tiered injectors? I feel as if there would a lot more ADV and PRO Nanite Injectors on the field if players weren't "punished" for using them. That is firmly on the list already, I am just looking at whether pro just gives naturally more WP in a tier progression, or if its based on actual WP healed (don't know how easy that is though). Why not just give WP equal to the % of armor repaired? And +1 to the OP, great great idea, would give both a better intro to being a logi and also dramatically cut down on the number of MLT injectors in use. I'm still impressed rattati saw this and replied. It's just something that has been bothering for over a year and i thought i would throw it out there... I always hear people complaining about bad revives and dying as soon as they are stabbed with the needle, I never hear heavies complaining about logi reps. Viktor for CPM I'll ring for free(Multiple roles, 51Mil SP) Chat Channel: Vik PC
Meisterjager Jagermeister Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 217	Posted - 2014.06.20 05:47:00 - [15] - Quote NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! AKA - StarVenger
Aeon Amadi Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6105	Posted - 2014.06.20 05:48:00 - [16] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Atiim wrote: While we're at it, is there a chance that the WP which would be originally gained from triage being added to the WP given upon reviving with higher tiered injectors? I feel as if there would a lot more ADV and PRO Nanite Injectors on the field if players weren't "punished" for using them. That is firmly on the list already, I am just looking at whether pro just gives naturally more WP in a tier progression, or if its based on actual WP healed (don't know how easy that is though). Cross Atu is going to love seeing this Useful Links Aeon Amadi for CPM1
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2449	Posted - 2014.06.20 06:04:00 - [17] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Atiim wrote: While we're at it, is there a chance that the WP which would be originally gained from triage being added to the WP given upon reviving with higher tiered injectors? I feel as if there would a lot more ADV and PRO Nanite Injectors on the field if players weren't "punished" for using them. That is firmly on the list already, I am just looking at whether pro just gives naturally more WP in a tier progression, or if its based on actual WP healed (don't know how easy that is though). Cross Atu is going to love seeing this /rejoice Cross Atu for CPM1- An emergent candidate
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2449	Posted - 2014.06.20 06:07:00 - [18] - Quote Malkai Inos wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Atiim wrote: While we're at it, is there a chance that the WP which would be originally gained from triage being added to the WP given upon reviving with higher tiered injectors? I feel as if there would a lot more ADV and PRO Nanite Injectors on the field if players weren't "punished" for using them. That is firmly on the list already, I am just looking at whether pro just gives naturally more WP in a tier progression, or if its based on actual WP healed (don't know how easy that is though). Basing it on actual HP (as in flat HP count) healed might disincentivice using it on scouts and shield tanks in general. Not sure that's such a good idea. BTW: Cross Atu needs to know about this. \o/ Also, Rattati, you've just made lots of Logi very happy, even if it is in a future state Cross Atu for CPM1- An emergent candidate
Aeon Amadi Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6106	Posted - 2014.06.20 06:40:00 - [19] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Atiim wrote: While we're at it, is there a chance that the WP which would be originally gained from triage being added to the WP given upon reviving with higher tiered injectors? I feel as if there would a lot more ADV and PRO Nanite Injectors on the field if players weren't "punished" for using them. That is firmly on the list already, I am just looking at whether pro just gives naturally more WP in a tier progression, or if its based on actual WP healed (don't know how easy that is though). Cross Atu is going to love seeing this /rejoice EDIT: Some of the folks in squad tonight were floating the idea of having the racial logi starter fits be geared with the same equipment as their later suits will provide bonuses to. So, rep, hive, link, scan. All at their low meta types of course. Is there a coding issue with that or would something of this nature be possible? I'd actually really like that, to be perfectly honest. It'd add some diversity to the new player's starting fits as well so that not everyone in the Academy is running around with injectors or rep tools. It'd be interesting to see how new players react to that, whether or not they realize what benefits each racial suit will provide them simply by looking at them. Useful Links Aeon Amadi for CPM1
Malkai Inos Any Given Day 1408	Posted - 2014.06.20 07:30:00 - [20] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Cross Atu wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Atiim wrote: While we're at it, is there a chance that the WP which would be originally gained from triage being added to the WP given upon reviving with higher tiered injectors? I feel as if there would a lot more ADV and PRO Nanite Injectors on the field if players weren't "punished" for using them. That is firmly on the list already, I am just looking at whether pro just gives naturally more WP in a tier progression, or if its based on actual WP healed (don't know how easy that is though). Cross Atu is going to love seeing this /rejoice EDIT: Some of the folks in squad tonight were floating the idea of having the racial logi starter fits be geared with the same equipment as their later suits will provide bonuses to. So, rep, hive, link, scan. All at their low meta types of course. Is there a coding issue with that or would something of this nature be possible? I'd actually really like that, to be perfectly honest. It'd add some diversity to the new player's starting fits as well so that not everyone in the Academy is running around with injectors or rep tools. It'd be interesting to see how new players react to that, whether or not they realize what benefits each racial suit will provide them simply by looking at them. This would necessitate a full selection of racial "medics" to be available to new mercs in my opinion. The way various EQ types currently have vast discrepancies in ease-of-use and income potential I don't feel right locking them, at least for a few days, into certain equipment modules upon race selection. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...

Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 509	Posted - 2014.06.20 11:25:00 - [21] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: sounds good, on the list you go Can you maybe think about making it a semi-Logi, not just a healbot? Two equipment slots would be a good introduction to the Logi role. Currently, the only introduction to Logi is skilling into the basic light frame (for two equipment slots) and saving your SP until you can get actual Logi suits. On that note, it's huge fun to play a Minmatar Basic Light healbot. I can murder people and keep my team alive while outrunning most enemies, even if I would prefer to have some of that Logi repair bonus.
Atiim NoGameNoLife 9656	Posted - 2014.06.20 17:01:00 - [22] - Quote Malkai Inos wrote: Basing it on actual HP (as in flat HP count) healed might disincentivice using it on scouts and shield tanks in general. Not sure that's such a good idea. BTW: Cross Atu needs to know about this. Not basing it on total HP may seem good when used with shield tankers and Scouts, but we'd run into the same problem as you'd still be punished for reviving Armored Medium Frames and Heavies. -Insert Clever Statement Here- "The Snack That Smiles Back; Amarr Suits" -HAND
Atiim NoGameNoLife 9656	Posted - 2014.06.20 17:02:00 - [23] - Quote Sole Fenychs wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: sounds good, on the list you go Can you maybe think about making it a semi-Logi, not just a healbot? Two equipment slots would be a good introduction to the Logi role. Currently, the only introduction to Logi is skilling into the basic light frame (for two equipment slots) and saving your SP until you can get actual Logi suits. On that note, it's huge fun to play a Minmatar Basic Light healbot. I can murder people and keep my team alive while outrunning most enemies, even if I would prefer to have some of that Logi repair bonus. So basically, a Militia Logistics unit? -Insert Clever Statement Here- "The Snack That Smiles Back; Amarr Suits" -HAND
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 6113	Posted - 2014.06.20 17:19:00 - [24] - Quote A mitia Logistics suit would be the best route. In a matter of fact why don't all the suits have a militia fit on start up? only give Minmatar and Gal heavies (hopefully after they are fixed) a militia HMG and give the Miltia forge to the Amarr and Caldari. and all scouts with Sniper Rail Rifle This Federation is now at war. We have no time for dissenters
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 509	Posted - 2014.06.20 17:33:00 - [25] - Quote Atiim wrote: Sole Fenychs wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: sounds good, on the list you go Can you maybe think about making it a semi-Logi, not just a healbot? Two equipment slots would be a good introduction to the Logi role. Currently, the only introduction to Logi is skilling into the basic light frame (for two equipment slots) and saving your SP until you can get actual Logi suits. On that note, it's huge fun to play a Minmatar Basic Light healbot. I can murder people and keep my team alive while outrunning most enemies, even if I would prefer to have some of that Logi repair bonus. So basically, a Militia Logistics unit? I was thinking that CCP only wants basic suits for the starter fits. Logi suit implies associated specialization bonuses. Actually, I'd like to see Basic medium suits with a second equipment slot. It would be the exact midway point between Assault (-1 eq) and Logi, (+1 eq) which makes sense for a suit that is a requirement for both. This would allow for an easy entry into the Logi role without a dedicated militia Logi suit. I know that it won't happen, though. Especially because the same logic can't be used for the Basic Heavy - You can't combine Commando and Sentinel characteristics without breaking something.
General12912 Gallente Marine Corps 199	Posted - 2014.06.21 00:50:00 - [26] - Quote no thank you. it wouldnt be much of a medic. would you rather get fixed but once you die, you are dead? or would you rather get a second chance. there is also the fact that not all suits depend on armor. if you got to heal a militia minmatar or caldari starter fit, you will not even get 25 points for triage. i'd rather be able to get the 60 for a revive. Every suit Gk.0 <3 Gallente Federation Patriot
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 108	Posted - 2014.06.21 16:00:00 - [27] - Quote Atiim wrote: While we're at it, is there a chance that the WP which would be originally gained from triage being added to the WP given upon reviving with higher tiered injectors? I feel as if there would a lot more ADV and PRO Nanite Injectors on the field if players weren't "punished" for using them. i already have a thread about WP and nanite injectors.. lower WP for rezzing people with lower injectors and higher WP for useing adv or higher basically the more armor you rez a person with the more WP you get Minmatar Logibro in training. Rusty needles anyone? No Mic and no time for "Squeekers" Nerf scout cloak+shotgun
MINA Longstrike 904	Posted - 2014.06.21 17:01:00 - [28] - Quote Atiim wrote: Malkai Inos wrote: Basing it on actual HP (as in flat HP count) healed might disincentivice using it on scouts and shield tanks in general. Not sure that's such a good idea. BTW: Cross Atu needs to know about this. Not basing it on total HP may seem good when used with shield tankers and Scouts, but we'd run into the same problem as you'd still be punished for reviving Armored Medium Frames and Heavies. There are reasons to base it on hp healed - currently you get more wp for reviving a person and replying them up, you get almost no wp for repping scouts but huge wp for repping heavies. In an ideal system you should get wp as though you had repped the target for that much hp - 30% + 60pts for revival (so 80% injector gives triage points as though you repped for 50% of hp) or wp = to injector tier, whichever is higher. 100% injector = base pick up value + triage worth 70% hp, or say 100 wp, whichever is higher. "Doesn't this mean you'd get like 500wp for picking up a plated gal sent gk.0? That's too high" a logi would have earned that wp anyways by repping the gk.0. It just expedites the process and makes it worth say squads running the best injectors possible. It also teaches people to terminate enemy clones so they don't get obs dropped by the logi with a 100% tool that picked up a proto squad. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Kurai Ronin Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.06.21 19:54:00 - [29] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: It's hard to recall a positive experience i have had with some reviving me while they were wearing a milita medic suit. Many people do not enjoy being revived in the middle of battle only to get shot down a second later. Many of the people who use the medic suit load are newer players who don't full understand when it is okay to revive someone and when it is not. So i recommend you change the equipment slot from the default nanite injector to a rep tool. It is hard to do damage to your own team with a rep tool. Good idea cuz mostly noobs keep revivng you lots of times and people keep destroy teams using the nanite injector. This or they could make that the nanite injector can only revive people who press the help 'x' button when dead.
TunRa Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 663	Posted - 2014.06.23 17:52:00 - [30] - Quote Sole Fenychs wrote: Atiim wrote: Sole Fenychs wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: sounds good, on the list you go Can you maybe think about making it a semi-Logi, not just a healbot? Two equipment slots would be a good introduction to the Logi role. Currently, the only introduction to Logi is skilling into the basic light frame (for two equipment slots) and saving your SP until you can get actual Logi suits. On that note, it's huge fun to play a Minmatar Basic Light healbot. I can murder people and keep my team alive while outrunning most enemies, even if I would prefer to have some of that Logi repair bonus. So basically, a Militia Logistics unit? I was thinking that CCP only wants basic suits for the starter fits. Logi suit implies associated specialization bonuses. Actually, I'd like to see Basic medium suits with a second equipment slot. It would be the exact midway point between Assault (-1 eq) and Logi, (+1 eq) which makes sense for a suit that is a requirement for both. This would allow for an easy entry into the Logi role without a dedicated militia Logi suit. I know that it won't happen, though. Especially because the same logic can't be used for the Basic Heavy - You can't combine Commando and Sentinel characteristics without breaking something. With any alt you have enough SP to spec straight into logi suits. You took my gif, back to FoxFour



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