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CCP Logibro wrote:

Greetings Conquerors

With Hotfix Bravo today we have deployed a number of changes to Planetary Conquest. These changes were originally scheduled to go out with Hotfix Alpha, but required an extended QA period. Using this extra time, we also made a few additional tweaks to the previous design. Full details below.

The price of a clone pack has been increased to 50,000,000 ISK, and each clone pack now contains 150 clones. This change now gives corporations breaking into PC a better chance at winning battles, while reducing the ability for people to farm ISK and lock districts without spending lots of ISK or time.

The resale value of excess clones generated on districts or captured in battle has been set to zero. If you want to make ISK from your clones, you need to go fight someone.

Building off the last note, the biomass value of clones destroyed through battle has been increased from 100,000ISK to 200,000ISK.

Finally, the minimum biomass payout for winning a battle has been lowered from 150 clones to 100 clones. Districts will still lose a minimum of 150 clones if the defenders lose, while attackers will still lose all clones. This means that if you want to get the full value of your attack, you need to actually kill the enemy.

We'll be closely monitoring the situation and health of Molden Heath following this change, and will make further adjustments as necessary.

Gg pc

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CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 8151	Posted - 2014.06.18 11:00:00 - [1] - Quote Greetings Conquerors With Hotfix Bravo today we have deployed a number of changes to Planetary Conquest. These changes were originally scheduled to go out with Hotfix Alpha, but required an extended QA period. Using this extra time, we also made a few additional tweaks to the previous design. Full details below. The price of a clone pack has been increased to 50,000,000 ISK, and each clone pack now contains 150 clones. This change now gives corporations breaking into PC a better chance at winning battles, while reducing the ability for people to farm ISK and lock districts without spending lots of ISK or time. The resale value of excess clones generated on districts or captured in battle has been set to zero. If you want to make ISK from your clones, you need to go fight someone. Building off the last note, the biomass value of clones destroyed through battle has been increased from 100,000ISK to 200,000ISK. Finally, the minimum biomass payout for winning a battle has been lowered from 150 clones to 100 clones. Districts will still lose a minimum of 150 clones if the defenders lose, while attackers will still lose all clones. This means that if you want to get the full value of your attack, you need to actually kill the enemy. We'll be closely monitoring the situation and health of Molden Heath following this change, and will make further adjustments as necessary. CCP Logibro // Patron Saint of Logistics // Distributor of Nanites (a¦á_a¦á)

DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS 364	Posted - 2014.06.18 11:34:00 - [2] - Quote your server is bugged. go check it
Kain Spero Goonfeet 3628	Posted - 2014.06.18 12:31:00 - [3] - Quote Looking forward to how this changes the face of Molden Heath. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
xp3ll3d dust The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 152	Posted - 2014.06.18 12:44:00 - [4] - Quote I hope this mixes PC up a bit. Nice to see this change finally get pushed out. CPM1 Candidate > A richer Dust app ecosystem means more player engagement!
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2724	Posted - 2014.06.18 12:48:00 - [5] - Quote Thrilled to see this has finally been implemented. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Scheneighnay McBob Cult of Gasai 5320	Posted - 2014.06.18 14:50:00 - [6] - Quote So, the price of a clone pack has been increased so it's even more impossible to get into PC péñpâ¦pé+pâìpââpâêpü«tÄïµºÿpüïpéÅpüäpüä pé¦pâ+pé¦pâ½pâäpâ¬pâ¦pé¦pâ¼pâ+pâêpü»sñ¬S+ïpéè
emtbraincase Savage Bullet 180	Posted - 2014.06.18 18:09:00 - [7] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Looking forward to how this changes the face of Molden Heath. It won't, because the problems we all called out during your time as baker (time to make the donuts) hasn't been addressed except one item (passive isk generation). All it will change is people will only play "friendly" matches with allies, yet another form of locking, except this will payout better as long as they actually attempt to fight each other (don't havck any objectives, just exclusively kill each other, which is likely what your group had in mind coming up with this). No real gameplay changes, more restrictive access for outside entities through cost, the same people I hated before fanfest running things with different names. As long as those responsible for the original donut have any say in this game, it will continue to be/get worse (or at best stay the same). This is not pessimism, it's realism. You and your friends ruined the game for most of us, and I will continue to point it out as long as I can. Anyone who thinks this will matter is deluding themselves. This doesn't help Legion directly, so it will be a halfassed attempt to do what we have said needed done for months on end. They went the way the ex-donut people wanted, and I have zero confidence as a result. P.S. Yes, this is a personal attack to you directly. You are the embodiment of everything wrong with this game and CCP (promoting you to CPM is insanity, since you care about yourself than the game). This is impossible to refute, since everything you did helped yourself to the detriment of 90+% of the playerbase at least, and the entire health of Dust as a whole.
Kain Spero Goonfeet 3633	Posted - 2014.06.18 19:36:00 - [8] - Quote emtbraincase wrote: words Actually if you can win your fights you can recoup the ISK spent on clone packs much more quickly without having to go for a long period of not fighting only to collect passive ISK. Nothing will change the fact that actually winning is an important part of making ISK and being successful in PC. Also, if you had any idea of what was going on you would realize that Goonfeet isn't involved in PC at all. Most of the vet corps that were hooked on passive ISK have no love of the change. I've been trying to get rid of passive ISK for a very long time actually: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1036443#post1036443 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1207023#post1207023 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1412859#post1412859 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1667088#post1667088 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1679199#post1679199 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1727241#post1727241 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1727265#post1727265 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1737521#post1737521 Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
Espeon Bons Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 175	Posted - 2014.06.18 22:42:00 - [9] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Greetings Conquerors With Hotfix Bravo today we have deployed a number of changes to Planetary Conquest. These changes were originally scheduled to go out with Hotfix Alpha, but required an extended QA period. Using this extra time, we also made a few additional tweaks to the previous design. Full details below. The price of a clone pack has been increased to 50,000,000 ISK, and each clone pack now contains 150 clones. This change now gives corporations breaking into PC a better chance at winning battles, while reducing the ability for people to farm ISK and lock districts without spending lots of ISK or time. The resale value of excess clones generated on districts or captured in battle has been set to zero. If you want to make ISK from your clones, you need to go fight someone. Building off the last note, the biomass value of clones destroyed through battle has been increased from 100,000ISK to 200,000ISK. Finally, the minimum biomass payout for winning a battle has been lowered from 150 clones to 100 clones. Districts will still lose a minimum of 150 clones if the defenders lose, while attackers will still lose all clones. This means that if you want to get the full value of your attack, you need to actually kill the enemy. We'll be closely monitoring the situation and health of Molden Heath following this change, and will make further adjustments as necessary. Gg pc Follow your bliss
Espeon Bons Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 175	Posted - 2014.06.18 22:45:00 - [10] - Quote Espeon Bons wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Greetings Conquerors With Hotfix Bravo today we have deployed a number of changes to Planetary Conquest. These changes were originally scheduled to go out with Hotfix Alpha, but required an extended QA period. Using this extra time, we also made a few additional tweaks to the previous design. Full details below. The price of a clone pack has been increased to 50,000,000 ISK, and each clone pack now contains 150 clones. This change now gives corporations breaking into PC a better chance at winning battles, while reducing the ability for people to farm ISK and lock districts without spending lots of ISK or time. The resale value of excess clones generated on districts or captured in battle has been set to zero. If you want to make ISK from your clones, you need to go fight someone. Building off the last note, the biomass value of clones destroyed through battle has been increased from 100,000ISK to 200,000ISK. Finally, the minimum biomass payout for winning a battle has been lowered from 150 clones to 100 clones. Districts will still lose a minimum of 150 clones if the defenders lose, while attackers will still lose all clones. This means that if you want to get the full value of your attack, you need to actually kill the enemy. We'll be closely monitoring the situation and health of Molden Heath following this change, and will make further adjustments as necessary. Gg pc Risk > reward Follow your bliss

xTheSiLLyRaBBiTx Haus of Triage 194	Posted - 2014.06.19 00:59:00 - [11] - Quote lol. This game. \|CEO: *Haus of Triage*\| Join HAUST
emtbraincase Savage Bullet 181	Posted - 2014.06.19 04:53:00 - [12] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: emtbraincase wrote: words Actually if you can win your fights you can recoup the ISK spent on clone packs much more quickly without having to go for a long period of not fighting only to collect passive ISK. Nothing will change the fact that actually winning is an important part of making ISK and being successful in PC. Also, if you had any idea of what was going on you would realize that Goonfeet isn't involved in PC at all. Most of the vet corps that were hooked on passive ISK have no love of the change. I've been trying to get rid of passive ISK for a very long time actually: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1036443#post1036443 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1207023#post1207023 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1412859#post1412859 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1667088#post1667088 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1679199#post1679199 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1727241#post1727241 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1727265#post1727265 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1737521#post1737521 When did I mention Goonfeet. I specifically called out DNS, of which I believe you were Escrow CEO during the entirety of the donut, as well as bragged about it. Nothing I've said has been refuted, you were part of the end of Dust, and now have a position with the company as a result.
KA24DERT TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 612	Posted - 2014.06.19 17:59:00 - [13] - Quote So who actually wanted this change? And what is the change supposed to do?
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8789	Posted - 2014.06.19 18:23:00 - [14] - Quote KA24DERT wrote: So who actually wanted this change? And what is the change supposed to accomplish? Everyone wanted this change. You must have been late to the party. Everyone wanted passive ISK generation to be removed. Everyone wanted PC to be setup so that ACTUALLY FIGHTING OTHERS gives you real rewards rather than turning PC into Farmville. All that's left now is changing the district reinforcement timer system. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2423	Posted - 2014.06.19 18:29:00 - [15] - Quote I don't think you make a profit just by trading clone losses. I'm pretty sure your team's winning KDR vs. Losing KDR has to be above something like 2.0 in order to make a profit. Oh also, congrats to the Goons for all the new .4 moons that they get with a reduced feul cost in Molden Heath. I've always been curious if PC could make R16s and R32s very much more profitable.
trollsroyce Ametat Security Amarr Empire 700	Posted - 2014.06.19 18:34:00 - [16] - Quote This is a change into an excellent direction. Please do not like this post, as it will break my round like count and cause OCD
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 920	Posted - 2014.06.19 19:22:00 - [17] - Quote trollsroyce wrote: This is a change into an excellent direction. Please do not like this post, as it will break my round like count and cause OCD Couldn't resist. OCD on! Overlord of Broman
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2353	Posted - 2014.06.19 19:54:00 - [18] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Looking forward to how this changes the face of Molden Heath. I just love how you conveniently no longer care about PC and are not involved in it when these changes are deployed, why should you're opinion be valid if you are not a part of PC. Tanker/Logi
CHANCEtheChAn 0uter.Heaven 422	Posted - 2014.06.19 20:35:00 - [19] - Quote Now that passive ISK is COMPLETELY abolished There is really no reason for corps to want to pay hundreds of millions of ISK to enter PC Cause odds are they will not win against the already established corps And by losing ONE battle when trying to flip a district, these corps leave with a huge detriment And then need to spend even HUNDREDS of millions more to continue to fight The only reason to hold a district in PC Is to not have to spend ISK to attack another district in PC There's no monetary value besides the good fights And when we lost these fights, corps relied on passive ISK in the corp wallet to be paid out to the players to recoup losses Now basically, you put your corp tax at 50% And everyone leave the corp Or play PC and when you lose you start going broke Look for corps to begin breaking off and trying to create a big blue corp when they begin losing That way all the best players are there to never lose Or people just stop fighting in PC lol Hmmm. The Meta is strong with this one...
Kain Spero Goonfeet 3639	Posted - 2014.06.20 14:59:00 - [20] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: KA24DERT wrote: So who actually wanted this change? And what is the change supposed to accomplish? Everyone wanted this change. You must have been late to the party. Everyone wanted passive ISK generation to be removed. Everyone wanted PC to be setup so that ACTUALLY FIGHTING OTHERS gives you real rewards rather than turning PC into Farmville. All that's left now is changing the district reinforcement timer system. I just really doubt that changing the timer system is possible in a hot fix. I think it'll be good to see how the current system plays out before looking to have any more heavy mechanic changes. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news

Hawkin P Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 422	Posted - 2014.06.21 15:16:00 - [21] - Quote This PC Hotfix fixed 1 problem but made so many more. Inc. Locking/Farming 2.0 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2220666#post2220666
NIETZCHES OVERMAN Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 80	Posted - 2014.06.21 20:42:00 - [22] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Greetings Conquerors With Hotfix Bravo today we have deployed a number of changes to Planetary Conquest. These changes were originally scheduled to go out with Hotfix Alpha, but required an extended QA period. Using this extra time, we also made a few additional tweaks to the previous design. Full details below. The price of a clone pack has been increased to 50,000,000 ISK, and each clone pack now contains 150 clones. This change now gives corporations breaking into PC a better chance at winning battles, while reducing the ability for people to farm ISK and lock districts without spending lots of ISK or time. The resale value of excess clones generated on districts or captured in battle has been set to zero. If you want to make ISK from your clones, you need to go fight someone. Building off the last note, the biomass value of clones destroyed through battle has been increased from 100,000ISK to 200,000ISK. Finally, the minimum biomass payout for winning a battle has been lowered from 150 clones to 100 clones. Districts will still lose a minimum of 150 clones if the defenders lose, while attackers will still lose all clones. This means that if you want to get the full value of your attack, you need to actually kill the enemy. We'll be closely monitoring the situation and health of Molden Heath following this change, and will make further adjustments as necessary. The changes are great, and if you really want to be radical in presenting a truly persistent universe, then please remove timers, and allow a district to be attacked at any time, this will ensure that many many corps could participate, but also keep the ownership truly dynamic, ever changing, and not stale at all.
NIETZCHES OVERMAN Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 80	Posted - 2014.06.21 21:02:00 - [23] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: emtbraincase wrote: words Actually if you can win your fights you can recoup the ISK spent on clone packs much more quickly without having to go for a long period of not fighting only to collect passive ISK. Nothing will change the fact that actually winning is an important part of making ISK and being successful in PC. Also, if you had any idea of what was going on you would realize that Goonfeet isn't involved in PC at all. Most of the vet corps that were hooked on passive ISK have no love of the change. I've been trying to get rid of passive ISK for a very long time actually: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1036443#post1036443 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1207023#post1207023 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1412859#post1412859 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1667088#post1667088 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1679199#post1679199 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1727241#post1727241 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1727265#post1727265 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1737521#post1737521 Cant argue with you their, but we can say that you are not a good player at this game as a shooter, only as a politician and as such really have no place on the cpm, in that one whk is bad at this game can not possibly have an understanding of how it works and therefore should not have input as to how it should be altered. Thats my opinion. Whats a fact is that while you and ERA were ruining pc even more with the aptly named Goonfeet tactic of exploiting a thing to stop it from being exploited, supposedly, is ridiculous and an excuse to be childish in most cases; all the while creating a donut that choked anyone not in your fan club out of pc to allow yourselves to be made fat on passive isk gain through locking. Doing this through DNS Black of DNS. who publicly said that he and you wanted to own Molden Heath to hold tournaments . Tournaments that would be manged by an outside gaming company which you had a verbal agreement with, who then backed out on you while on a public pod cast because of DNS Blacks mouth being allowed to open. He exposed himself and you as people who want to own, control, manage, and rent what is everyones. After they backed out on you 2 weeks later ccp also backed out on you with Legion. And you said the donut would fix PC..... Ya...... So my final opinion is that on top of not being able to play the game your influence, insights, and ideas have obviously not helped it. So yes why are you on the cpm? Who exactly do you suck off at CCP?
NIETZCHES OVERMAN Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 80	Posted - 2014.06.21 21:22:00 - [24] - Quote CHANCEtheChAn wrote: Now that passive ISK is COMPLETELY abolished There is really no reason for corps to want to pay hundreds of millions of ISK to enter PC Cause odds are they will not win against the already established corps And by losing ONE battle when trying to flip a district, these corps leave with a huge detriment And then need to spend even HUNDREDS of millions more to continue to fight The only reason to hold a district in PC Is to not have to spend ISK to attack another district in PC There's no monetary value besides the good fights And when we lost these fights, corps relied on passive ISK in the corp wallet to be paid out to the players to recoup losses Now basically, you put your corp tax at 50% And everyone leave the corp Or play PC and when you lose you start going broke The only way to fix this would be payouts for losing teams to keep non-blue donut players (The not 1%) afloat Look for corps to begin breaking off and trying to create a big blue corp when they begin losing That way all the best players are there to never lose Or people just stop fighting in PC lol Its cool, pc will be tough, and not so rewarding. PC is not the end all be all to this game, pubs are 100 times more important to the health of this game than the few elites in pc. Therefore we need a system that does not allow the few elites to over profit in such a way that allows for them to forever protostomp and tank spam the life out of the pubs when they get done with their fake blue on blue battles or passive isk gain. PC should rely more on their corp taxes to maintain and therefore demand you 1 play the pubs and 2 cant carelessly pub stomp in proto without concern for isk. These changes will help what truly matters here noobs in pubs. Since no corp could ever seem to restrain themselves this will help to begin to restrain them.
SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 187	Posted - 2014.07.13 03:25:00 - [25] - Quote This would have been a welcomed change had this been implemented months ago at the first signs of district locking. Now the alliances involved have so much ISK that the changes make no difference to them To Everyone Who Says They'll Never Play Dust Again, I'll see you tomorrow
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8871	Posted - 2014.07.17 06:32:00 - [26] - Quote SgtMajSquish MLBJ wrote: This would have been a welcomed change had this been implemented months ago at the first signs of district locking. Now the alliances involved have so much ISK that the changes make no difference to them Until CCP implements upkeep costs for even operating the districts. Just like how POSes in Eve Online need fuel to function at all. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.


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