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Schecter 666 59	Posted - 2014.06.17 21:43:00 - [1] - Quote DUST is going nowhere fast, here's why: 1) Lag, do I really need to say anymore? The lag is so bad and frustrating it's almost unplayable. The forge gun is lagging so much I can't hit anything. The frame rate is so bad people are shooting at me in slow motion, the rubber banding and running into walls is out of control. The hiccups or freezes when you've just spawned are appalling. 2) The matchmaking, in previous updates you've mentioned fixes to matchmaking? WHAT FIXES? I am still being deployed with half a team of randoms against 2-3 different corps. I am sick of being 4 and 5 capped every single game I play solo. 3) the HMG, the HMG spam is destroying this game, it kills twice as fast as a combat rifle. Just quit a game where this heavy was unstoppable, you couldn't kill the guy because he killed you in less than a second. I almost had him but then guess what happens? Another heavy comes along and tears me up, FROM 42 METRES. Why is the HMG still effective outside the 40m range? CCP you really need to learn how to balance weapons, do you want this game to be a COD-clone twitch shooter or a game with meaningful gunfights? Right now it's as if you have no idea what you want this game to be. Some guns are useless and have high TTK but some guns kill you faster than you can think. Tone down the god damned damage on the HMG, why do you think you see games of Domination where there are up to 10 heavies on the enemy team in the objective taking 0 deaths? Because you can't get close enough to them without dying, you're always in their optimal range. I'm just absolutely sick of every game lagging really badly, being put up against 2-3 corps and having to face invincible heavies shredding my 800hp in less than a second. If you don't use an HMG on this game you just can't compete. And stop nerfing and buffing stuff from being utterly unusable to being the most over-used thing in the game. The Struggle...is tolerating DUST for even 1 match without flushing your own foot down the toilet in a fit of rage.
Velociraptor antirrhopus Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 231	Posted - 2014.06.17 21:46:00 - [2] - Quote Bullshit. Oh my god you skillless scrub douchebags aren't going to stop QQing until you get the HMG nerfed aren't you... If an HMG is killing you outside its range, YOU ARE OUT IN THE OPEN AND NEED TO FIND COVER. There is NO reason why you shouldn't be killed if you can't play a FPS well enough to find COVER. This is seriously pissing me off... My thoughts on Hotfix Alpha: First I noticed a scout running from my AR. Then a heavy. Then a COMBAT RIFLE USER. CCP +1
Schecter 666 59	Posted - 2014.06.17 21:47:00 - [3] - Quote Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: Bullshit. Oh my god you skillless scrub douchebags aren't going to stop QQing until you get the HMG nerfed aren't you... If an HMG is killing you outside its range, YOU ARE OUT IN THE OPEN AND NEED TO FIND COVER. There is NO reason why you shouldn't be killed if you can't play a FPS well enough to find COVER. This is seriously pissing me off... of course i want the ******* thing nerfed it's a death machine, it's TTK is too low. It's not the fact that he killed me in the way he did, I guess I didn't make myself clear, my point is that you can almost take out a heavy but there will ALWAYS be another one round the corner to take you down. it's like fighting a losing battle at this point. take down one guy with 1500hp there will be another guy around the corner with 1500hp. The Struggle...is tolerating DUST for even 1 match without flushing your own foot down the toilet in a fit of rage.
Echo 1991 WarRavens Final Resolution. 320	Posted - 2014.06.17 21:48:00 - [4] - Quote Agree with lag and matchmaking needing fixes, however the hmg just needs a slight toning down. I think that armour dropships only taking 55% damage from swarms needs fixing.
Schecter 666 59	Posted - 2014.06.17 21:52:00 - [5] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: Agree with lag and matchmaking needing fixes, however the hmg just needs a slight toning down. I think that armour dropships only taking 55% damage from swarms needs fixing. CCP are going the wrong way about it, because they're clueless, they want to nerf the HP, nerf the movement etc, now there's a debate on rotation speed. it's the RoF, the DPS and nothing else which is the problem. I don't enjoy having to somehow face 6 people with twice my HP dealing twice the damage I can. Spam makes this game unplayable. CCP look if everybody starts using the same thing, you've made it too powerful. Why do you think good heavies get 0 or 1 deaths maximum per game? Because their relative HP and relative damage output VS a militia guy with a militia AR is too dam high! they will win 50 times in a row! The Struggle...is tolerating DUST for even 1 match without flushing your own foot down the toilet in a fit of rage.
MASTERmw100 Commando Perkone Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.06.17 21:53:00 - [6] - Quote Schecter 666 wrote: Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: Bullshit. Oh my god you skillless scrub douchebags aren't going to stop QQing until you get the HMG nerfed aren't you... If an HMG is killing you outside its range, YOU ARE OUT IN THE OPEN AND NEED TO FIND COVER. There is NO reason why you shouldn't be killed if you can't play a FPS well enough to find COVER. This is seriously pissing me off... of course i want the ******* thing nerfed it's a death machine, it's TTK is too low. It's not the fact that he killed me in the way he did, I guess I didn't make myself clear, my point is that you can almost take out a heavy but there will ALWAYS be another one round the corner to take you down. it's like fighting a losing battle at this point. take down one guy with 1500hp there will be another guy around the corner with 1500hp. that heavy spam brah. Its even worse in PC.
Schecter 666 59	Posted - 2014.06.17 21:58:00 - [7] - Quote MASTERmw100 wrote: Schecter 666 wrote: Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: Bullshit. Oh my god you skillless scrub douchebags aren't going to stop QQing until you get the HMG nerfed aren't you... If an HMG is killing you outside its range, YOU ARE OUT IN THE OPEN AND NEED TO FIND COVER. There is NO reason why you shouldn't be killed if you can't play a FPS well enough to find COVER. This is seriously pissing me off... of course i want the ******* thing nerfed it's a death machine, it's TTK is too low. It's not the fact that he killed me in the way he did, I guess I didn't make myself clear, my point is that you can almost take out a heavy but there will ALWAYS be another one round the corner to take you down. it's like fighting a losing battle at this point. take down one guy with 1500hp there will be another guy around the corner with 1500hp. that heavy spam brah. Its even worse in PC. oh hello newly created npc alt lol, yup last PC match I watched on Youtube was sickening to watch, every single player had a proto sentinel and if they weren't they were just using proto logis. it's as if people can't play this game without spamming heavies. PC is just where everybody spams FOTM in fear of the enemy spamming FOTM. This game is going to see-saw back and forth until it gets shut down. CCP either pull the plug or fix this mess. The Struggle...is tolerating DUST for even 1 match without flushing your own foot down the toilet in a fit of rage.
TunRa Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 656	Posted - 2014.06.17 22:01:00 - [8] - Quote Lol, go tell them on the Legion forum Dust is dead. You took my gif, back to FoxFour
Tectonic Fusion 1702	Posted - 2014.06.17 22:09:00 - [9] - Quote I'd be in favor of changing it from 2400 RPM to 2000 RPM.
Velociraptor antirrhopus Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 232	Posted - 2014.06.17 22:09:00 - [10] - Quote Schecter 666 wrote: of course i want the ******* thing nerfed it's a death machine, it's TTK is too low. It's not the fact that he killed me in the way he did, I guess I didn't make myself clear, my point is that you can almost take out a heavy but there will ALWAYS be another one round the corner to take you down. it's like fighting a losing battle at this point. take down one guy with 1500hp there will be another guy around the corner with 1500hp. No god damnit. You are DOING IT WRONG. It doesn't matter what weapon you're using in a medium/light suit unless its a shotty. ENGAGE AT RANGE, preferably from high ground. Or else you are QQing about something that's YOUR fault, not the game's. Look. This is what heavies exchange for their high HP and DPS: Scan profile Passive scans Movement speed Large hitbox Effectiveness at medium range You aren't even exploiting ANY of those weaknesses, then people like you come on the forum and QQ about it, and CCP is so stupid they're actually going to listen to a bunch of scrubs whine about heavies. My thoughts on Hotfix Alpha: First I noticed a scout running from my AR. Then a heavy. Then a COMBAT RIFLE USER. CCP +1

Powerh8er Ganking Jugend 444	Posted - 2014.06.17 22:29:00 - [11] - Quote Pick on something your own size for once little scout, your just jelly because yor arms are too weak to even lift the hmg.
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 670	Posted - 2014.06.17 22:34:00 - [12] - Quote hmg and heavies are not a problem, more than likly its how you aproach the situation. matchmaking is impossible due to our lack of players because ccp wont build the sandbox we were promised
Echo 1991 WarRavens Final Resolution. 320	Posted - 2014.06.17 22:36:00 - [13] - Quote Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: Schecter 666 wrote: of course i want the ******* thing nerfed it's a death machine, it's TTK is too low. It's not the fact that he killed me in the way he did, I guess I didn't make myself clear, my point is that you can almost take out a heavy but there will ALWAYS be another one round the corner to take you down. it's like fighting a losing battle at this point. take down one guy with 1500hp there will be another guy around the corner with 1500hp. No god damnit. You are DOING IT WRONG. It doesn't matter what weapon you're using in a medium/light suit unless its a shotty. ENGAGE AT RANGE, preferably from high ground. Or else you are QQing about something that's YOUR fault, not the game's. Look. This is what heavies exchange for their high HP and DPS: Scan profile Passive scans Movement speed Large hitbox Effectiveness at medium range You aren't even exploiting ANY of those weaknesses, then people like you come on the forum and QQ about it, and CCP is so stupid they're actually going to listen to a bunch of scrubs whine about heavies. Heavies can put kin cats to go faster. Can use a light weapon instead of a hmg. Scan profile can lowered to 23 with 3 complex damps. Passive scans can also be improved as well. They can conpensate for their losses. You shouldnt do that but they can. However the hmg whether or not you want to admit is too strong. Anything within 40 meters usually dies and usually very quickly. It needs a tweak. Damage per bullet reduction maybe or RoF reduction because its silly.
Velociraptor antirrhopus Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 234	Posted - 2014.06.17 22:38:00 - [14] - Quote Schecter 666 wrote: Why do you think good heavies get 0 or 1 deaths maximum per game? Because their relative HP and relative damage output VS a militia guy with a militia AR is too dam high! they will win 50 times in a row! And by the way, I usually die up to 10 times and don't get much more than 2 to 3 times the kills, and it's because I'm A SKILLED PLAYER with HMG proficiency 5 and situational awareness. I believe my friend Ghaz said in another thread that outside 40 meters, a militia AR out-DPS's a HMG. My thoughts on Hotfix Alpha: First I noticed a scout running from my AR. Then a heavy. Then a COMBAT RIFLE USER. CCP +1
Velociraptor antirrhopus Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 235	Posted - 2014.06.17 22:40:00 - [15] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: Heavies can put kin cats to go faster. Can use a light weapon instead of a hmg. Scan profile can lowered to 23 with 3 complex damps. Passive scans can also be improved as well. They can conpensate for their losses. You shouldnt do that but they can. However the hmg whether or not you want to admit is too strong. Anything within 40 meters usually dies and usually very quickly. It needs a tweak. Damage per bullet reduction maybe or RoF reduction because its silly. No damnit. All those fits you're talking about are PUB TACTICS that DON'T work in PC or serious matches. And its completely and utterly unfair to nerf the HMG without nerfing the Shotgun alongside it. Right now engagements between shottys and HMGs are BALANCED. My thoughts on Hotfix Alpha: First I noticed a scout running from my AR. Then a heavy. Then a COMBAT RIFLE USER. CCP +1
lunatis orrak Battlefield Brawlers 27	Posted - 2014.06.17 23:01:00 - [16] - Quote Schecter 666 wrote: DUST is going nowhere fast, here's why: 1) Lag, do I really need to say anymore? The lag is so bad and frustrating it's almost unplayable. The forge gun is lagging so much I can't hit anything. The frame rate is so bad people are shooting at me in slow motion, the rubber banding and running into walls is out of control. The hiccups or freezes when you've just spawned are appalling. 2) The matchmaking, in previous updates you've mentioned fixes to matchmaking? WHAT FIXES? I am still being deployed with half a team of randoms against 2-3 different corps. I am sick of being 4 and 5 capped every single game I play solo. 3) the HMG, the HMG spam is destroying this game, it kills twice as fast as a combat rifle. Just quit a game where this heavy was unstoppable, you couldn't kill the guy because he killed you in less than a second. I almost had him but then guess what happens? Another heavy comes along and tears me up, FROM 42 METRES. Why is the HMG still effective outside the 40m range? CCP you really need to learn how to balance weapons, do you want this game to be a COD-clone twitch shooter or a game with meaningful gunfights? Right now it's as if you have no idea what you want this game to be. Some guns are useless and have high TTK but some guns kill you faster than you can think. Tone down the god damned damage on the HMG, why do you think you see games of Domination where there are up to 10 heavies on the enemy team in the objective taking 0 deaths? Because you can't get close enough to them without dying, you're always in their optimal range. I'm just absolutely sick of every game lagging really badly, being put up against 2-3 corps and having to face invincible heavies shredding my 800hp in less than a second. If you don't use an HMG on this game you just can't compete. And stop nerfing and buffing stuff from being utterly unusable to being the most over-used thing in the game. The hmg at cq was ineffectivly hitting you at effective range, the hmg at ineffective range was hitting you effectively CHUBBY CHASER FOR LIFE `!BEWARE MY FAT BULLDOGS! The leash is not for your protection`
Echo 1991 WarRavens Final Resolution. 321	Posted - 2014.06.17 23:04:00 - [17] - Quote Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: Echo 1991 wrote: Heavies can put kin cats to go faster. Can use a light weapon instead of a hmg. Scan profile can lowered to 23 with 3 complex damps. Passive scans can also be improved as well. They can conpensate for their losses. You shouldnt do that but they can. However the hmg whether or not you want to admit is too strong. Anything within 40 meters usually dies and usually very quickly. It needs a tweak. Damage per bullet reduction maybe or RoF reduction because its silly. No damnit. All those fits you're talking about are PUB TACTICS that DON'T work in PC or serious matches. And its completely and utterly unfair to nerf the HMG without nerfing the Shotgun alongside it. Right now engagements between shottys and HMGs are BALANCED. I have seen a speed heavy in pc get 28 kills so dont tell me it doesnt work. Also please explain how the shotgun needs a nerf when it has less dps and has an optimal of about 15m. I dont see a reason to nerf it.
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 3947	Posted - 2014.06.17 23:10:00 - [18] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: Heavies can put kin cats to go faster. Can use a light weapon instead of a hmg. Scan profile can lowered to 23 with 3 complex damps. Passive scans can also be improved as well. They can conpensate for their losses. You shouldnt do that but they can. However the hmg whether or not you want to admit is too strong. Anything within 40 meters usually dies and usually very quickly. It needs a tweak. Damage per bullet reduction maybe or RoF reduction because its silly. You make it sound as though you can do all of this at once or as if any of them are a good idea (other than KinCatz, of course. That's really fun if you've been Armor waddling for a while, but still not a long-term viable fitting and only of service in pubs.) My attempt at a reasonable solution: Leave everything where it is, but remove the Headshot Bonuses from the HMG. It's not as much of a "skill" shot anyways. Before they fixed the dispersion, a Headshot was a rarity among HMG users and people that didn't use HMGs weren't crying about them in every other thread. As soon as they "fixed" it, Headshot kills began raining down and more people began to sob. See the connection? Same RPS, same DPS, but more bullets doing an extra 50% or more damage just because I aim between the head and torso hitboxes, at range, and that dispersion allows for Headshot bonuses to fire off at least 10-20 times per Kill. (I don't aim directly at the head because you lose bullets via dispersion outside of contact areas. However, inside of 10m, I'm putting that dot on your face.) PSN: The_Rynoceros Destiny beta SoonGäó Console Master Race
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 45	Posted - 2014.06.17 23:13:00 - [19] - Quote Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: Bullshit. Oh my god you skillless scrub douchebags aren't going to stop QQing until you get the HMG nerfed aren't you... If an HMG is killing you outside its range, YOU ARE OUT IN THE OPEN AND NEED TO FIND COVER. There is NO reason why you shouldn't be killed if you can't play a FPS well enough to find COVER. This is seriously pissing me off... Obviously a hmg abuser, Choo Choo
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy 1447	Posted - 2014.06.17 23:13:00 - [20] - Quote Schecter 666 wrote: DUST is going nowhere fast, here's why: 1) Lag, do I really need to say anymore? The lag is so bad and frustrating it's almost unplayable. The forge gun is lagging so much I can't hit anything. The frame rate is so bad people are shooting at me in slow motion, the rubber banding and running into walls is out of control. The hiccups or freezes when you've just spawned are appalling. 2) The matchmaking, in previous updates you've mentioned fixes to matchmaking? WHAT FIXES? I am still being deployed with half a team of randoms against 2-3 different corps. I am sick of being 4 and 5 capped every single game I play solo. 3) the HMG, the HMG spam is destroying this game, it kills twice as fast as a combat rifle. Just quit a game where this heavy was unstoppable, you couldn't kill the guy because he killed you in less than a second. I almost had him but then guess what happens? Another heavy comes along and tears me up, FROM 42 METRES. Why is the HMG still effective outside the 40m range? CCP you really need to learn how to balance weapons, do you want this game to be a COD-clone twitch shooter or a game with meaningful gunfights? Right now it's as if you have no idea what you want this game to be. Some guns are useless and have high TTK but some guns kill you faster than you can think. Tone down the god damned damage on the HMG, why do you think you see games of Domination where there are up to 10 heavies on the enemy team in the objective taking 0 deaths? Because you can't get close enough to them without dying, you're always in their optimal range. I'm just absolutely sick of every game lagging really badly, being put up against 2-3 corps and having to face invincible heavies shredding my 800hp in less than a second. If you don't use an HMG on this game you just can't compete. And stop nerfing and buffing stuff from being utterly unusable to being the most over-used thing in the game. CCP Rattati wrote: I like the deadliness of a heavy hmg as it is right now. If we were to reduce its efficiency in a future hotfix, it would most likely be to heat since that rewards skill and not spray and pray. Improving the assault is then my preferred counter to heavies, not nerfing heavies, most likely through racial tanking improvements, pure damage output and regen. Just my general thoughts on the subject. drops mic, and walks away Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r

Izlare Lenix Last VenDetta. Dark Taboo 705	Posted - 2014.06.17 23:14:00 - [21] - Quote I predicted the changes to the scouts/cloaks would increase the amount of HMG heavies. So far that looks to be exactly what is happening. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 45	Posted - 2014.06.17 23:16:00 - [22] - Quote Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: Schecter 666 wrote: of course i want the ******* thing nerfed it's a death machine, it's TTK is too low. It's not the fact that he killed me in the way he did, I guess I didn't make myself clear, my point is that you can almost take out a heavy but there will ALWAYS be another one round the corner to take you down. it's like fighting a losing battle at this point. take down one guy with 1500hp there will be another guy around the corner with 1500hp. No god damnit. You are DOING IT WRONG. It doesn't matter what weapon you're using in a medium/light suit unless its a shotty. ENGAGE AT RANGE, preferably from high ground. Or else you are QQing about something that's YOUR fault, not the game's. Look. This is what heavies exchange for their high HP and DPS: Scan profile Passive scans Movement speed Large hitbox Effectiveness at medium range You aren't even exploiting ANY of those weaknesses, then people like you come on the forum and QQ about it, and CCP is so stupid they're actually going to listen to a bunch of scrubs whine about heavies. Stopped reading after engage at range It's impossible Every heavy is inside, most maps are foty spam, most important areas are heavy spammed and there is 0 way to fight back unless you bring 3 people. But then they have butt buddies with them. Oh and most heavies don't have less than 1k hp Choo Choo
lunatis orrak Battlefield Brawlers 27	Posted - 2014.06.17 23:19:00 - [23] - Quote duster 35000 wrote: Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: Schecter 666 wrote: of course i want the ******* thing nerfed it's a death machine, it's TTK is too low. It's not the fact that he killed me in the way he did, I guess I didn't make myself clear, my point is that you can almost take out a heavy but there will ALWAYS be another one round the corner to take you down. it's like fighting a losing battle at this point. take down one guy with 1500hp there will be another guy around the corner with 1500hp. No god damnit. You are DOING IT WRONG. It doesn't matter what weapon you're using in a medium/light suit unless its a shotty. ENGAGE AT RANGE, preferably from high ground. Or else you are QQing about something that's YOUR fault, not the game's. Look. This is what heavies exchange for their high HP and DPS: Scan profile Passive scans Movement speed Large hitbox Effectiveness at medium range You aren't even exploiting ANY of those weaknesses, then people like you come on the forum and QQ about it, and CCP is so stupid they're actually going to listen to a bunch of scrubs whine about heavies. Do you not know any heavys to counter them? Stopped reading after engage at range It's impossible Every heavy is inside, most maos are foty spam, most important areas are heavy spammed and there is 0 way to fight back unless you bring 3 people. But then they have butt buddies with them. CHUBBY CHASER FOR LIFE `!BEWARE MY FAT BULLDOGS! The leash is not for your protection`
Michael Arck 4698	Posted - 2014.06.17 23:19:00 - [24] - Quote This post might deem offensive to some, but its really not. Just a no holds barred honest assesement. The whole discussion requires some common sense. First of all, you can't really fix matchmaking with its pool of players. I don't know what you're expecting to change with that, really. You have people who squad up for pubs and the majority does not. What is quite interesting is that the pool of players can't fix themselves. Do you know how many squads be open with 5 empty slots and dumbberries continue to play solo? Okay, you want to play solo. But the benefits of squad play outweighs so much. No wonder you're broke, complaining about protostomping and such. Not saying you're doing that, per se. But if people actually played with each other as in cooperatively, matchmaking would be better. This is just another case of the community wanting CCP to buff the community. Only the community can buff the community. The HMG "spam" is not destroying the game. In fact, the uncompetitiveness and the poor play of blueberries is damaging the game. Most people complaining about HMGs are the same ones rushing HMG users and expecting some Matrix styled, John Woo affair where they come out the victor. This isn't the movies kid. Use your noggin. If the heavy has killed you, then he is close to you. You have ample time from a considerable distance from the heavy to readjust your strategy and reposition. Also its funny that you're requesting the damage of 50 caliber machine gun's damage to be toned down. Maybe you weren't here for 1.7 and before, but heavies were a joke and not respected. Now they have the capable means. Respect your heavy and stop your John Woo antics. Weapon balance is stupid. There is no even keel in weapon balance. Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy 1447	Posted - 2014.06.17 23:19:00 - [25] - Quote Schecter 666 wrote: Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: Bullshit. Oh my god you skillless scrub douchebags aren't going to stop QQing until you get the HMG nerfed aren't you... If an HMG is killing you outside its range, YOU ARE OUT IN THE OPEN AND NEED TO FIND COVER. There is NO reason why you shouldn't be killed if you can't play a FPS well enough to find COVER. This is seriously pissing me off... of course i want the ***** thing nerfed it's a death machine, it's TTK is too low. It's not the fact that he killed me in the way he did, I guess I didn't make myself clear, my point is that you can almost take out a heavy but there will ALWAYS be another one round the corner to take you down. it's like fighting a losing battle at this point. take down one guy with 1500hp there will be another guy around the corner with 1500hp. CCP Rattati wrote:** I like the deadliness of a heavy hmg as it is right now. If we were to reduce its efficiency in a future hotfix, it would most likely be to heat since that rewards skill and not spray and pray. Improving the assault is then my preferred counter to heavies, not nerfing heavies, most likely through racial tanking improvements, pure damage output and regen. Just my general thoughts on the subject. Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 45	Posted - 2014.06.17 23:20:00 - [26] - Quote lunatis orrak wrote: duster 35000 wrote: Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: Schecter 666 wrote: of course i want the ******* thing nerfed it's a death machine, it's TTK is too low. It's not the fact that he killed me in the way he did, I guess I didn't make myself clear, my point is that you can almost take out a heavy but there will ALWAYS be another one round the corner to take you down. it's like fighting a losing battle at this point. take down one guy with 1500hp there will be another guy around the corner with 1500hp. No god damnit. You are DOING IT WRONG. It doesn't matter what weapon you're using in a medium/light suit unless its a shotty. ENGAGE AT RANGE, preferably from high ground. Or else you are QQing about something that's YOUR fault, not the game's. Look. This is what heavies exchange for their high HP and DPS: Scan profile Passive scans Movement speed Large hitbox Effectiveness at medium range You aren't even exploiting ANY of those weaknesses, then people like you come on the forum and QQ about it, and CCP is so stupid they're actually going to listen to a bunch of scrubs whine about heavies. Do you not know any heavys to counter them? Stopped reading after engage at range It's impossible Every heavy is inside, most maos are foty spam, most important areas are heavy spammed and there is 0 way to fight back unless you bring 3 people. But then they have butt buddies with them. Yup hmg is officially op. We need heavies to kill heavies, tank debate all over again. Choo Choo
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 45	Posted - 2014.06.17 23:23:00 - [27] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: This post might deem offensive to some, but its really not. Just a no holds barred honest assesement. The whole discussion requires some common sense. First of all, you can't really fix matchmaking with its pool of players. I don't know what you're expecting to change with that, really. You have people who squad up for pubs and the majority does not. What is quite interesting is that the pool of players can't fix themselves. Do you know how many squads be open with 5 empty slots and dumbberries continue to play solo? Okay, you want to play solo. But the benefits of squad play outweighs so much. No wonder you're broke, complaining about protostomping and such. Not saying you're doing that, per se. But if people actually played with each other as in cooperatively, matchmaking would be better. This is just another case of the community wanting CCP to buff the community. Only the community can buff the community. The HMG "spam" is not destroying the game. In fact, the uncompetitiveness and the poor play of blueberries is damaging the game. Most people complaining about HMGs are the same ones rushing HMG users and expecting some Matrix styled, John Woo affair where they come out the victor. This isn't the movies kid. Use your noggin. If the heavy has killed you, then he is close to you. You have ample time from a considerable distance from the heavy to readjust your strategy and reposition. Also its funny that you're requesting the damage of 50 caliber machine gun's damage to be toned down. Maybe you weren't here for 1.7 and before, but heavies were a joke and not respected. Now they have the capable means. Respect your heavy and stop your John Woo antics. Weapon balance is stupid. There is no even keel in weapon balance. Killing at range isn't possible, mist are inside and impossible to kill if you don't bring friends,as if you try, well you know. Most maps are cqc areas so heavies get spammed to no avail without a valid counter, bring a heavy doesn't count. I stopped playing dust, nothing but heavies most of the time, can't kill from range, unless I ambush with shotgun. Choo Choo
Velociraptor antirrhopus Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 241	Posted - 2014.06.17 23:23:00 - [28] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: I have seen a speed heavy in pc get 28 kills so dont tell me it doesnt work. Also please explain how the shotgun needs a nerf when it has less dps and has an optimal of about 15m. I dont see a reason to nerf it. It doesn't. By nerfing the HMG it will make engagements with shotgun scouts unfair to the heavy. As it is now, we barely have enough time to react, and if they are using proto we WILL die even if we turn around with our "OP turning speed." The shotgun is primarily a heavy killer. So, shotguns are directly proportionate to HMGs. Distance = Rate * Time; E=MCsquared; Shotgun/range = HMG/range My thoughts on Hotfix Alpha: First I noticed a scout running from my AR. Then a heavy. Then a COMBAT RIFLE USER. CCP +1
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 45	Posted - 2014.06.17 23:26:00 - [29] - Quote Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: Echo 1991 wrote: I have seen a speed heavy in pc get 28 kills so dont tell me it doesnt work. Also please explain how the shotgun needs a nerf when it has less dps and has an optimal of about 15m. I dont see a reason to nerf it. It doesn't. By nerfing the HMG it will make engagements with shotgun scouts unfair to the heavy. As it is now, we barely have enough time to react, and if they are using proto we WILL die even if we turn around with our "OP turning speed." The shotgun is primarily a heavy killer. So, shotguns are directly proportionate to HMGs. Distance = Rate * Time; E=MCsquared; Shotgun/range = HMG/range I agree the shotgun MAY need a tweak, but the hmg is too op. Choo Choo
Pvt Numnutz Watchdoge Explosives 1501	Posted - 2014.06.17 23:27:00 - [30] - Quote Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: Bullshit. Oh my god you skillless scrub douchebags aren't going to stop QQing until you get the HMG nerfed aren't you... If an HMG is killing you outside its range, YOU ARE OUT IN THE OPEN AND NEED TO FIND COVER. There is NO reason why you shouldn't be killed if you can't play a FPS well enough to find COVER. This is seriously pissing me off... Uhm, I'm a little confused by this. If I'm outside a heavies range shouldn't that be the time I should be engaging them right? If a heavies is killing me outside of his range, even in an open field, where should I engage them? Doesn't this mean something is wrong?

duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 45	Posted - 2014.06.17 23:29:00 - [31] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: Bullshit. Oh my god you skillless scrub douchebags aren't going to stop QQing until you get the HMG nerfed aren't you... If an HMG is killing you outside its range, YOU ARE OUT IN THE OPEN AND NEED TO FIND COVER. There is NO reason why you shouldn't be killed if you can't play a FPS well enough to find COVER. This is seriously pissing me off... Uhm, I'm a little confused by this. If I'm outside a heavies range shouldn't that be the time I should be engaging them right? If a heavies is killing me outside of his range, even in an open field, where should I engage them? Doesn't this mean something is wrong? And you can't kill them reliability anywhere else because they own cqc. Choo Choo
Echo 1991 WarRavens Final Resolution. 323	Posted - 2014.06.17 23:39:00 - [32] - Quote Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: Echo 1991 wrote: I have seen a speed heavy in pc get 28 kills so dont tell me it doesnt work. Also please explain how the shotgun needs a nerf when it has less dps and has an optimal of about 15m. I dont see a reason to nerf it. It doesn't. By nerfing the HMG it will make engagements with shotgun scouts unfair to the heavy. As it is now, we barely have enough time to react, and if they are using proto we WILL die even if we turn around with our "OP turning speed." The shotgun is primarily a heavy killer. So, shotguns are directly proportionate to HMGs. Distance = Rate * Time; E=MCsquared; Shotgun/range = HMG/range Im sorry but you know nothing of balance. The shotgun only works well if the heavy doesnt see you. I dont see a problem with it. You just have no awareness and need your crutch.
Velociraptor antirrhopus Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 244	Posted - 2014.06.17 23:43:00 - [33] - Quote duster 35000 wrote: Killing at range isn't possible, mist are inside and impossible to kill if you don't bring friends,as if you try, well you know. Most maps are cqc areas so heavies get spammed to no avail without a valid counter, bring a heavy doesn't count. I stopped playing dust, nothing but heavies most of the time, can't kill from range, unless I ambush with shotgun. Again, "QQ, I can't kill heavies in the ONLY KIND OF MAP THEY'RE GOOD IN, whereas I'm good in EVERY MAP so I think I'll cry about it." That's why you use teamwork to get a person or two in your squad to flush them out of cover, while you suppress them from higher ground or from across the city. My thoughts on Hotfix Alpha: First I noticed a scout running from my AR. Then a heavy. Then a COMBAT RIFLE USER. CCP +1
Michael Arck 4699	Posted - 2014.06.17 23:45:00 - [34] - Quote duster 35000 wrote: Michael Arck wrote: This post might deem offensive to some, but its really not. Just a no holds barred honest assesement. The whole discussion requires some common sense. First of all, you can't really fix matchmaking with its pool of players. I don't know what you're expecting to change with that, really. You have people who squad up for pubs and the majority does not. What is quite interesting is that the pool of players can't fix themselves. Do you know how many squads be open with 5 empty slots and dumbberries continue to play solo? Okay, you want to play solo. But the benefits of squad play outweighs so much. No wonder you're broke, complaining about protostomping and such. Not saying you're doing that, per se. But if people actually played with each other as in cooperatively, matchmaking would be better. This is just another case of the community wanting CCP to buff the community. Only the community can buff the community. The HMG "spam" is not destroying the game. In fact, the uncompetitiveness and the poor play of blueberries is damaging the game. Most people complaining about HMGs are the same ones rushing HMG users and expecting some Matrix styled, John Woo affair where they come out the victor. This isn't the movies kid. Use your noggin. If the heavy has killed you, then he is close to you. You have ample time from a considerable distance from the heavy to readjust your strategy and reposition. Also its funny that you're requesting the damage of 50 caliber machine gun's damage to be toned down. Maybe you weren't here for 1.7 and before, but heavies were a joke and not respected. Now they have the capable means. Respect your heavy and stop your John Woo antics. Weapon balance is stupid. There is no even keel in weapon balance. Killing at range isn't possible, mist are inside and impossible to kill if you don't bring friends,as if you try, well you know. Most maps are cqc areas so heavies get spammed to no avail without a valid counter, bring a heavy doesn't count. I stopped playing dust, nothing but heavies most of the time, can't kill from range, unless I ambush with shotgun. So if you stopped playing Dust, then why are you commenting on issues that are being considered for change? And obviously you don't know how to CR your Sentinels. Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 46	Posted - 2014.06.17 23:45:00 - [35] - Quote Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: duster 35000 wrote: Killing at range isn't possible, mist are inside and impossible to kill if you don't bring friends,as if you try, well you know. Most maps are cqc areas so heavies get spammed to no avail without a valid counter, bring a heavy doesn't count. I stopped playing dust, nothing but heavies most of the time, can't kill from range, unless I ambush with shotgun. Again, "QQ, I can't kill heavies in the ONLY KIND OF MAP THEY'RE GOOD IN, whereas I'm good in EVERY MAP so I think I'll cry about it." That's why you use teamwork to get a person or two in your squad to flush them out of cover, while you suppress them from higher ground or from across the city. DR only the hmg needs a nerf, by rpm, not the heavy suit. Tbh I quit dust because I can't play it But because I only have skrub level 1. Choo Choo
Waffle Warrior Huntress D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 3	Posted - 2014.06.18 01:36:00 - [36] - Quote Man screw the heavies what we need to fix is that cal scout hit box. I just want to go home:(
Talon Paetznick II Gallente Federation Resistance 22	Posted - 2014.06.18 01:56:00 - [37] - Quote Powerh8er wrote: Pick on something your own size for once little scout, your just jelly because yor arms are too weak to even lift the hmg. don't diss scouts I will whip you using basic nova knives an HMG requires no skill ,it is the ultimate noob weapon of dust dust math: getting killed by ion pistol = dropping the soap,useful item= nerfhammer, protostomp= WHY GOD!!!
Yeeeuuuupppp 348	Posted - 2014.06.18 02:53:00 - [38] - Quote 4. Plasma cannons and flaylocks are fun. Fun is op. This is unacceptable. 5. Cloaking scrubs that are seen on my assault passive scans. Cloaking scrubs that like the idea of being invisible but don't have profile dampening. Scrubs that refuse to use the scout sir without a cloak. 6. Lastly, that ***** in the warbarge that keeps advising me to do and don't do stuff. Rage Proficiency V Mic status: Muted Storage Wars Champion.
Onesimus Tarsus Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 2133	Posted - 2014.06.18 04:07:00 - [39] - Quote Oh if only there was a simple solution to all these complex problems! vvvv K/Dr WP/Dr matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period.
Powerh8er Ganking Jugend 446	Posted - 2014.06.18 13:45:00 - [40] - Quote Talon Paetznick II wrote: Powerh8er wrote: Pick on something your own size for once little scout, your just jelly because yor arms are too weak to even lift the hmg. don't diss scouts I will whip you using basic nova knives an HMG requires no skill ,it is the ultimate noob weapon of dust What? You got to speak louder little scout.



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