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Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15661	Posted - 2014.06.30 02:53:00 - [31] - Quote Temba Fusrodah wrote: A serious note of caution before voting for any hand picked CCP incumbent CPM member, think, has the game become better or worse since they were appointed? Have they demonstrated a greater commitment to players or to CCP? Do they champion issues that others want or just their own agenda? I personally feel the current CPM has for the most part been non-representative of what players want happening in the game. I feel they have failed to communicate to CCP how the changes have diminished game play and enjoyment, I do not think voters should reward failure. We need assertive intelligent thoughtful representatives on the CPM who will stand up for all the players. Hand picked CCP boosters have proven to be very inadequate in this and many many other regards. I encourage you all to look closely at the candidates who might best represent all of us to CCP, and their hand picked ineffective yes men/ women are not the people to get the job done for us. Look at the changes to the game that have transpired on their watch, if you like the changes support the appointees running for election. If like me you are frustrated by CCP's ham handed implementation of changes that have made the game less enjoyable then vote for new blood to carry the banner and make our voices heard. If I were you I'd be paying much more attention instead of letting emotions cloud over the events transpiring views and not putting much thought into the things that are obscurification with NDAs and things that are going to happen regardless to CPM presence or not. Let me counter question you this; how much worse state of the game can you think of? Trust me there is very little way you can come close to what could have happened without CPM 0. Including this very election. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Gallente Logistics =// Unlocked
Baal Omniscient Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1861	Posted - 2014.06.30 03:19:00 - [32] - Quote I was in favor of you getting the post in the first place, and now that I have a say in the CPM this time I still believe you were right for the job. I'll leave the flowery words to everyone else, you were born for this job. And since no-one else is holding up the bar for hate in your threads [insert: RAGEFLAMEHATETROLLPOST] But with Cross.... Aeon.... and you..... I'd better get at least 3 votes.... PSN ID: AlbelNox2569 Cross Atu for CPM1 Winmatar Assault & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 15063	Posted - 2014.06.30 06:16:00 - [33] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: I was in favor of you getting the post in the first place, and now that I have a say in the CPM this time I still believe you were right for the job. I'll leave the flowery words to everyone else, you were born for this job. And since no-one else is holding up the bar for hate in your threads [insert: RAGEFLAMEHATETROLLPOST] But with Cross.... Aeon.... and you..... I'd better get at least 3 votes.... You can put up to 7 people on your ballot. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Polka will never die.
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 2359	Posted - 2014.06.30 10:06:00 - [34] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: You can put up to 7 people on your ballot. In most SVT you number every candidate. This is to manage any candidate who may be disqualified and to handle tight elections where no clear winners are expected. I made a video to explain the process. Judge for CPM 1 Twitter @Judge_EVELegion
CEOPyrex CloneA The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 774	Posted - 2014.06.30 15:12:00 - [35] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I will continue to support Dust 514 in all of its endeavours even if it goes beyond the launch of Legion. I will continue to support Legion into fruition to ensure it is worthy of succession of the dream as the cost of this pursuit is already too high. I will continue to protect the sanctity of the Council. I will continue to support the community's desire for a better game grounded on sound logic. Hey dude, kinda glad you are running for CPM1 but i was sincere with my comments that you had been through enough already! the fact you are back for more is a good thing. Just wanted to ask a couple of questions based on the fact you were CPM0 as well - i recognize and 100% appreciate that you would be a good candidate to bridge the gap from CPM0 to CPM1 so my question is thus, what do you feel will be different from CPM0 to CPM1 in terms of its perception from the player base, its level of engagement from CCP and its ability to be more than a simple focus group? To add some further context to your answer - can we look at the community managers and changing dev contacts that seemed to give issues to continued and regular coms between the CPM and CCP? Do you feel CCP will give CPM1 this time the right focus and engagement? You are certainly in the best position to highlight what wasn't fit for purpose in CPM0 - what would you feel is the right way forward for CPM1 in terms of its role as a player body link to CCP? Thanks in advance for your reply
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15664	Posted - 2014.06.30 17:34:00 - [36] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: You can put up to 7 people on your ballot. In most SVT elections you number every candidate. This is to manage any candidate who may be disqualified and to handle tight elections where no clear winners are expected. I made a video to explain the process. It's 7 votes, pay attention. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Gallente Logistics =// Unlocked
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15667	Posted - 2014.06.30 22:37:00 - [37] - Quote CEOPyrex CloneA wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I will continue to support Dust 514 in all of its endeavours even if it goes beyond the launch of Legion. I will continue to support Legion into fruition to ensure it is worthy of succession of the dream as the cost of this pursuit is already too high. I will continue to protect the sanctity of the Council. I will continue to support the community's desire for a better game grounded on sound logic. Hey dude, kinda glad you are running for CPM1 but i was sincere with my comments that you had been through enough already! the fact you are back for more is a good thing. Just wanted to ask a couple of questions based on the fact you were CPM0 as well - i recognize and 100% appreciate that you would be a good candidate to bridge the gap from CPM0 to CPM1 so my question is thus, what do you feel will be different from CPM0 to CPM1 in terms of its perception from the player base, its level of engagement from CCP and its ability to be more than a simple focus group? To add some further context to your answer - can we look at the community managers and changing dev contacts that seemed to give issues to continued and regular coms between the CPM and CCP? Do you feel CCP will give CPM1 this time the right focus and engagement? You are certainly in the best position to highlight what wasn't fit for purpose in CPM0 - what would you feel is the right way forward for CPM1 in terms of its role as a player body link to CCP? Thanks in advance for your reply Well to answer this question requires context for it as well as I know you like to play hardball at times and its difficult to quickly correct on a forum format to any concerns so if you have any additional questions please continue to ask before coming to a conclusion. Back in 13 May 2013 CCP we all knew back then was self sold on itself that it could make a good game, CPM 0 was going to be a 3 month thing and everything was all hunky dory. 14 May 2013... Uprising 1.0 Happened and everything was not well. Reviewers went to town; community got righteously mad and CPM was shoved into emergency 'Real CPM' mode since that group was already on hand it was just easy to dump the task on them. Since then the studio has seen a number of changes from personnel and direction and compounding by continued fallout from getting smacked in the face from Incarna's backlash and getting too big too quickly mentality which comes at the cost of good people at times. Regardless CCP today is in a state of more maturity and reservation than the one Now back to the present. I will admit that there will be difficulties of ringing in developers to talk to the council without CCP Saberwing. However the 'dust' from all the company changes are still not finally settled; while it may seem no more people will be departing from this wave there is still shuffling of filling in positions. So in all honesty it is really hard to tell how things are going to work out from this point in time. Based on what I know is that developers are inspired by CCP Ratatti's efforts just that despite wanting to hop on the bandwagon to do what he does there is little for them to share at the moment. Another thing we have to remember that dust 514 and legion has teams of development and it's typically the 'product' owners that come talk to us about issue and not the grunts usually involved. So if a product owner is being tasked with a project that when I saw it was not suitable for community coolness, its not going to likely get shown to the community. CCP Rogue is committed to the task; he just needs a couple clones of himself to manage everything as he is stuck between trying to get legion greenlit; dust 514 running and finally improving the shanghai studio to become more of a quality team capable of making great content. CPM 0 feel that CCP Rouge is far more honest over his predecessor and means very well as he is more than self aware of the studio, the game, and the community and the positions they are all in and doesn't paint a fancy picture of any of it. If CPM says that the community is not going to like it and gives the very reasons why; he will listen and has listened. I don't see him changing that anytime soon; not after fanfest 2014 especially. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Gallente Logistics =// Unlocked
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 2365	Posted - 2014.06.30 23:14:00 - [38] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: You can put up to 7 people on your ballot. In most SVT elections you number every candidate. This is to manage any candidate who may be disqualified and to handle tight elections where no clear winners are expected. I made a video to explain the process. It's 7 votes, pay attention. In a normal SVT you rank every candidate. You are allowed to rank every candidate to ensure in even to most unlikely results your vote gets counted. if CCP chooses not to do this they are breaking from the way SVT is typically run. Judge for CPM 1 Twitter @Judge_EVELegion
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15668	Posted - 2014.06.30 23:18:00 - [39] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: You can put up to 7 people on your ballot. In most SVT elections you number every candidate. This is to manage any candidate who may be disqualified and to handle tight elections where no clear winners are expected. I made a video to explain the process. It's 7 votes, pay attention. In a normal SVT you rank every candidate. You are allowed to rank every candidate to ensure in even to most unlikely results your vote gets counted. if CCP chooses not to do this they are breaking from the way SVT is typically run. Well its 7 unfortunately, one for every seat open. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Gallente Logistics =// Unlocked
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 2365	Posted - 2014.06.30 23:22:00 - [40] - Quote I guess CCP has decided to risk a hung election. Their risk to take I suppose. Judge for CPM 1 Twitter @Judge_EVELegion

Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2793	Posted - 2014.07.01 00:41:00 - [41] - Quote I can't really fathom there being a high likelihood where your vote fails to count for any of the seven people you voted for. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15671	Posted - 2014.07.01 03:25:00 - [42] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: I guess CCP has decided to take a risk that some votes may get lost. I am more fearful in the future where over 50-100 approved applicants make it in and people are just simply turned off by not voting in the first place. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Gallente Logistics =// Unlocked
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 2367	Posted - 2014.07.01 06:51:00 - [43] - Quote I said it was usual to allow voters to rank each candidate on a ballot. This is undeniably true. In some countries, like Northern Ireland, your ballot is not counted if you do not number every candidate. In fact some ballots are grouped (this would not work for the dust ballot) to force full listing. One reason for this is to avoid an exhausted ballot. exhausted ballots are a recognised issue with SVT. It is mentioned on the very wiki page logibro linked to. In an 7/18 election exhaustion is less likely, more so if they use delayed surplus transfer. But my original point was that it is simply usual to allow full ranking. CCP will choose whichever method they will choose. Judge for CPM 1 Twitter @Judge_EVELegion
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 1423	Posted - 2014.07.01 09:11:00 - [44] - Quote If memory serves from the CSM election process, the order in which you click on your preferred candidates is how you number them. Am I wrong? CPM1 Candidate CEO of DUST University
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 2370	Posted - 2014.07.01 09:22:00 - [45] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: If memory serves from the CSM election process, the order in which you click on your preferred candidates is how you number them. Am I wrong? I am in the dark on this. I just seek clarity so that I can inform anyone who asks of the exact process. CCP I am sure will tell us, but I am already getting questions, and see people talking, including on the forum, about trying to choose the one person to vote for. If people only vote for one person, or three then their votes may be exhausted. This is not desirable. The actualt votes are scheduled to start in six days. The people who vote, and I am one of those people need to understand the process so that no accusations of unfairness can be levied at the CPM electe. Judge for CPM 1 Twitter @Judge_EVELegion
CEOPyrex CloneA The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 776	Posted - 2014.07.02 21:52:00 - [46] - Quote Hi IWS Thanks for the reply to my post, it was an interesting read but i would like to note that you didnt actually answer the question i asked which was: Quote: so my question is thus, what do you feel will be different from CPM0 to CPM1 in terms of its perception from the player base, its level of engagement from CCP and its ability to be more than a simple focus group? Your reply given is filled with behind the scenes commentary which is always great to hear, i dont care about that however, i want to know what you feel will be different between CPM0 and CPM1 in terms of its approach, attitudes and ability to work better with CCP.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15687	Posted - 2014.07.03 00:24:00 - [47] - Quote CEOPyrex CloneA wrote: Hi IWS Thanks for the reply to my post, it was an interesting read but i would like to note that you didnt actually answer the question i asked which was: Quote: so my question is thus, what do you feel will be different from CPM0 to CPM1 in terms of its perception from the player base, its level of engagement from CCP and its ability to be more than a simple focus group? Your reply given is filled with behind the scenes commentary which is always great to hear, i dont care about that however, i want to know what you feel will be different between CPM0 and CPM1 in terms of its approach, attitudes and ability to work better with CCP. The problem of me not giving you straight answers is the simple highly common knowledge across the entire community base is what you do with those answers. I do ask an edge more of respect when it comes to these issues mind you. CPM 1 perception of the player base should not be changing that much; the spread of quality candidates covers quite a variety of viewpoints and from being in a number of communities before there is literally no difference in the gamer community regardless of the platform said game is on. CPM 1 will have no idea of how CCP will be committed to communication with the community; they're not wizards, neither is CCP, neither am I. CPM/CSM has never been a focus group; if you want to blame a bunch of people being a focus group maybe you should tinfoil the russians a bit. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Gallente Logistics =// Unlocked
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15687	Posted - 2014.07.03 00:24:00 - [48] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Kevall Longstride wrote: If memory serves from the CSM election process, the order in which you click on your preferred candidates is how you number them. Am I wrong? I am in the dark on this. I just seek clarity so that I can inform anyone who asks of the exact process. CCP I am sure will tell us, but I am already getting questions, and see people talking, including on the forum, about trying to choose the one person to vote for. If people only vote for one person, or three then their votes may be exhausted. This is not desirable. The actualt votes are scheduled to start in six days. The people who vote, and I am one of those people need to understand the process so that no accusations of unfairness can be levied at the CPM electe. The CSM web voting allowed a highly interactive slot list last time I used it which allowed you to quickly swap your order of selection; I am hoping web team extended this to the CPM. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Gallente Logistics =// Unlocked
Auris Lionesse Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 919	Posted - 2014.07.03 04:10:00 - [49] - Quote absolute last person id vote for. Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Heroes in a half Gank! *TURTLE POWER!!!*
Atiim Fooly Cooly. 10146	Posted - 2014.07.03 04:12:00 - [50] - Quote Auris Lionesse wrote: absolute last person id vote for. Why is that? AVers: The Most Persistent Playerbase in DUST 514 -HAND

CEOPyrex CloneA the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY 776	Posted - 2014.07.03 08:37:00 - [51] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: CEOPyrex CloneA wrote: Hi IWS Thanks for the reply to my post, it was an interesting read but i would like to note that you didnt actually answer the question i asked which was: Quote: so my question is thus, what do you feel will be different from CPM0 to CPM1 in terms of its perception from the player base, its level of engagement from CCP and its ability to be more than a simple focus group? Your reply given is filled with behind the scenes commentary which is always great to hear, i dont care about that however, i want to know what you feel will be different between CPM0 and CPM1 in terms of its approach, attitudes and ability to work better with CCP. The problem of me not giving you straight answers is the simple highly common knowledge across the entire community base is what you do with those answers. I do ask an edge more of respect when it comes to these issues mind you. CPM 1 perception of the player base should not be changing that much; the spread of quality candidates covers quite a variety of viewpoints and from being in a number of communities before there is literally no difference in the gamer community regardless of the platform said game is on. CPM 1 will have no idea of how CCP will be committed to communication with the community; they're not wizards, neither is CCP, neither am I. CPM/CSM has never been a focus group; if you want to blame a bunch of people being a focus group maybe you should tinfoil the russians a bit. Thank for this further reply, i would again like to point out that you have not answered my question directly, i agree it isnt a focus group, i want to know what you think the CPM 1 needs to do differently to CPM0 Quote: so my question is thus, what do you feel will be different from CPM0 to CPM1 in terms of its perception from the player base, its level of engagement from CCP and its ability to be more than a simple focus group?
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15700	Posted - 2014.07.03 18:35:00 - [52] - Quote CEOPyrex CloneA wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: CEOPyrex CloneA wrote: Hi IWS Thanks for the reply to my post, it was an interesting read but i would like to note that you didnt actually answer the question i asked which was: Quote: so my question is thus, what do you feel will be different from CPM0 to CPM1 in terms of its perception from the player base, its level of engagement from CCP and its ability to be more than a simple focus group? Your reply given is filled with behind the scenes commentary which is always great to hear, i dont care about that however, i want to know what you feel will be different between CPM0 and CPM1 in terms of its approach, attitudes and ability to work better with CCP. The problem of me not giving you straight answers is the simple highly common knowledge across the entire community base is what you do with those answers. I do ask an edge more of respect when it comes to these issues mind you. CPM 1 perception of the player base should not be changing that much; the spread of quality candidates covers quite a variety of viewpoints and from being in a number of communities before there is literally no difference in the gamer community regardless of the platform said game is on. CPM 1 will have no idea of how CCP will be committed to communication with the community; they're not wizards, neither is CCP, neither am I. CPM/CSM has never been a focus group; if you want to blame a bunch of people being a focus group maybe you should tinfoil the russians a bit. Thank for this further reply, i would again like to point out that you have not answered my question directly, i agree it isnt a focus group, i want to know what you think the CPM 1 needs to do differently to CPM0 Quote: so my question is thus, what do you feel will be different from CPM0 to CPM1 in terms of its perception from the player base, its level of engagement from CCP and its ability to be more than a simple focus group? The community would have to do that judgement at the end of CPM 1's term; they're not wizards either. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Gallente Logistics =// Unlocked
KenKaniff69 Subdreddit 2422	Posted - 2014.07.03 18:43:00 - [53] - Quote It's quite clear IWS is now avoiding the question. Having opinions on how you think CPM1 might improve over CPM0 is a valid question. Markdown:
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15700	Posted - 2014.07.03 18:46:00 - [54] - Quote KenKaniff69 wrote: It's quite clear IWS is now avoiding the question. Having opinions on how you think CPM1 might improve over CPM0 is a valid question. Hello; I would like to point you to all of the Pryex's posts and videos on why he should deserve a straight answer. If I had to analogous him with a news organization is that he's the Fox News of Dust 514 or just as bad MSNBC (channel) CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Gallente Logistics =// Unlocked
KenKaniff69 Subdreddit 2424	Posted - 2014.07.03 20:04:00 - [55] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: KenKaniff69 wrote: It's quite clear IWS is now avoiding the question. Having opinions on how you think CPM1 might improve over CPM0 is a valid question. Hello; I would like to point you to all of the Pryex's posts and videos on why he should not deserve a straight answer. If I had to analogous him with a news organization is that he's the Fox News of Dust 514 or just as bad MSNBC (channel) If he want's an idiotic answer from me he is going to have to present a nearly compromising question on his end. Pyrex knows that he is somewhat of a celebrity and his ego gets in the way of morals. He has purposely used misinformation and mass media to get information to which after getting it he keeps to himself instead of sharing it at times. His brand of riling up the people he is tormenting seems to have no purpose; it's not like arguing against Dust 514's biggest critics to which they have points and can be reasoned with. Also Preyx has a bitter EVE vet status which makes it a bit more difficult to work with at times as he is still butt sore from Eve online's CSM and years of his own misinformation is going to take some time to break and rebuild proper informed conclusions instead of his wild imaginations. This post is part and parcel of why I have misgivings about you IWS. Instead of answering the question, you justify why you are treating a member of the community in an unseemly manner. I know Pyrex has a reputation for tin-foil and poor intentions. Whether this reputation is true is not the point. I think it's important you meet people of his nature with the same respect you would have for anyone else, until he devolves the conversation into the realm where his intentions and nefariousness becomes quite clear and damages his credibility. He may well be the dust equivalent of the antichrist for all I care, until his questions are proven to be subversive and illegitimate I think your obligation is to try and respectfully answer his question. Markdown:
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15704	Posted - 2014.07.03 21:02:00 - [56] - Quote KenKaniff69 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: KenKaniff69 wrote: It's quite clear IWS is now avoiding the question. Having opinions on how you think CPM1 might improve over CPM0 is a valid question. Hello; I would like to point you to all of the Pryex's posts and videos on why he should not deserve a straight answer. If I had to analogous him with a news organization is that he's the Fox News of Dust 514 or just as bad MSNBC (channel) If he want's an idiotic answer from me he is going to have to present a nearly compromising question on his end. Pyrex knows that he is somewhat of a celebrity and his ego gets in the way of morals. He has purposely used misinformation and mass media to get information to which after getting it he keeps to himself instead of sharing it at times. His brand of riling up the people he is tormenting seems to have no purpose; it's not like arguing against Dust 514's biggest critics to which they have points and can be reasoned with. Also Preyx has a bitter EVE vet status which makes it a bit more difficult to work with at times as he is still butt sore from Eve online's CSM and years of his own misinformation is going to take some time to break and rebuild proper informed conclusions instead of his wild imaginations. This post is part and parcel of why I have misgivings about you IWS. Instead of answering the question, you justify why you are treating a member of the community in an unseemly manner. I know Pyrex has a reputation for tin-foil and poor intentions. Whether this reputation is true is not the point. I think it's important you meet people of his nature with the same respect you would have for anyone else, until he devolves the conversation into the realm where his intentions and nefariousness becomes quite clear and damages his credibility. He may well be the dust equivalent of the antichrist for all I care, until his questions are proven to be subversive and illegitimate I think your obligation is to try and respectfully answer his question. Preyx is an absolute dangerous person to give answers to and he's already proven his tinfoiler with the election so far with other candidates. It's his reputation and his level of respect needs to be raised before I match it; he needs to understands there are wider consequences (and have been already) to his shenanigans. Also what part of my answer is not answering; I don't predict things in without the knowledge of education going behind it. I have stated it again and again; I am no wizard I have no idea what next month looks like; if ccp continues to screw up fine; if ccp does better fine; if CPM 1 somehow destroys the relationship cpm 0 set fine. Which ever outcome it is I for one one will it have no wizardly idea what is going to happen. There are no guarantees on the three sides that any side will or will not improve. If you want to see a candidate that refuses to answer questions head on over to judge's thread; that there is a clear cut example of dodging. It is stupid to make an answer to which translates into a promise in this case if I have no guarantee I or anyone else for that manner can make the result happen. The truly absolute best answer this trap of a question is to see for ourselves and hope the cpm 1 elect sticks ccp to it. With voter weight into the candidates the responsibility to improve relationships between cpm ccp and community. If you have a problem with my answer you need to sit down and analyze the question and conclude your own answers; and I hope you have the logic and foresight on how unfair the question is. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Gallente Logistics =// Unlocked
KenKaniff69 Subdreddit 2426	Posted - 2014.07.03 21:17:00 - [57] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Preyx is an absolute dangerous person to give answers to and he's already proven his tinfoiler with the election so far with other candidates. It's his reputation and his level of respect needs to be raised before I match it; he needs to understands there are wider consequences (and have been already) to his shenanigans. Also what part of my answer is not answering; I don't predict things in without the knowledge of education going behind it. I have stated it again and again; I am no wizard I have no idea what next month looks like; if ccp continues to screw up fine; if ccp does better fine; if CPM 1 somehow destroys the relationship cpm 0 set fine. Which ever outcome it is I for one one will it have no wizardly idea what is going to happen. There are no guarantees on the three sides that any side will or will not improve. If you want to see a candidate that refuses to answer questions head on over to judge's thread; that there is a clear cut example of dodging. It is stupid to make an answer to which translates into a promise in this case if I have no guarantee I or anyone else for that manner can make the result happen. The truly absolute best answer this trap of a question is to see for ourselves and hope the cpm 1 elect sticks ccp to it. With voter weight into the candidates the responsibility to improve relationships between cpm ccp and community. If you have a problem with my answer you need to sit down and analyze the question and conclude your own answers; and I hope you have the logic and foresight on how unfair the question is. I'm disappointed you cannot see your own bias playing here. No one is asking you to be a wizard. Here I'll even give an answer hypothetically: "I would like the CPM1 to have have more frequent accountability to the community" or "I would like to be able to be responsible for a weekly report of our activities and impressions from the players" Of course accounting for any NDA material. I get you don't want to be snared in a trap, but please realize you're falling in a much more worrisome one by choosing to continue to answer in this way. The only thing he might be exploiting here, if the fact that you are painting a poor portrait of yourself by choosing to reply in the manner you are choosing. Markdown:
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15707	Posted - 2014.07.03 21:28:00 - [58] - Quote KenKaniff69 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Preyx is an absolute dangerous person to give answers to and he's already proven his tinfoiler with the election so far with other candidates. It's his reputation and his level of respect needs to be raised before I match it; he needs to understands there are wider consequences (and have been already) to his shenanigans. Also what part of my answer is not answering; I don't predict things in without the knowledge of education going behind it. I have stated it again and again; I am no wizard I have no idea what next month looks like; if ccp continues to screw up fine; if ccp does better fine; if CPM 1 somehow destroys the relationship cpm 0 set fine. Which ever outcome it is I for one one will it have no wizardly idea what is going to happen. There are no guarantees on the three sides that any side will or will not improve. If you want to see a candidate that refuses to answer questions head on over to judge's thread; that there is a clear cut example of dodging. It is stupid to make an answer to which translates into a promise in this case if I have no guarantee I or anyone else for that manner can make the result happen. The truly absolute best answer this trap of a question is to see for ourselves and hope the cpm 1 elect sticks ccp to it. With voter weight into the candidates the responsibility to improve relationships between cpm ccp and community. If you have a problem with my answer you need to sit down and analyze the question and conclude your own answers; and I hope you have the logic and foresight on how unfair the question is. I'm disappointed you cannot see your own bias playing here. No one is asking you to be a wizard. Here I'll even give an answer hypothetically: "I would like the CPM1 to have have more frequent accountability to the community" or "I would like to be able to be responsible for a weekly report of our activities and impressions from the players" Of course accounting for any NDA material. I get you don't want to be snared in a trap, but please realize you're falling in a much more worrisome one by choosing to continue to answer in this way. The only thing he might be exploiting here, if the fact that you are painting a poor portrait of yourself by choosing to reply in the manner you are choosing. First answer translates into a promise they may not happen. Also the definition of accountability is rather vague. Accountability to whom? The community? The developers? The establishment? Second answer is a flat out lie. Even Hans couldn't keep up monthly on that and so far the only CSM member in my recent memory that regularly posted while in office his musings was Jester and most of it was out of council member point of view aka a jester that never got elected essentially. CPM is excessively busy and frustrating work and this may not be feasible once in office. In regards to that to what you are looking for; what I plan to do is what I always have done, continue to remain the voice of logic, calm and reason. I am the last person cpm 0 to lose his cool ver anything or get over the quickest and see problems larger than the issue presented. I know the fine line between player representation and player representative and when to use either card as the two ideas are not exactly the same and both have their places; and finally I am not the type to instigate on the floor but from behind the scenes and help other members of the council present far stronger cases and gather information from the community to give context to anything the cpm brings up in meetings. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Gallente Logistics =// Unlocked
KenKaniff69 Subdreddit 2427	Posted - 2014.07.03 21:55:00 - [59] - Quote If you had read the response you quoted it clearly states accountability to the community. You could also petition for ways in which the community might suggest you might be more accountable to them, however I think the point has been made sufficiently. I was using hypotheticals, but I think you seem very unwilling even to fathom how CPM1 could be better than CPM0. I don't think its a dangerous exercise, actually I think it would prove a lot that you can suggest CPM0 could have improved. If you simply don't want to answer the questions, that's fine. I think you have quite a lot to offer, I just continually unnerved with the way you sometimes approach others. Markdown:
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15707	Posted - 2014.07.03 22:16:00 - [60] - Quote KenKaniff69 wrote: If you had read the response you quoted it clearly states accountability to the community. You could also petition for ways in which the community might suggest you might be more accountable to them, however I think the point has been made sufficiently. I was using hypotheticals, but I think you seem very unwilling even to fathom how CPM1 could be better than CPM0. I don't think its a dangerous exercise, actually I think it would prove a lot that you can suggest CPM0 could have improved. If you simply don't want to answer the questions, that's fine. I think you have quite a lot to offer, I just continually unnerved with the way you sometimes approach others. Well accountability to the community is difficult process because of not only frustrated genuine people with real concerns which I hate to say get drowned out often but the trolls and anti-establishment folks that never articulate their points for the sole reasoning to try to bring the establishment down as unneeded. The most I can do it poke and prod the community on their thoughts and lurk the forums often and answer any questions people bring to me in game to the best of my ability because many in gamers do not forum dive to the lengths I do and I proved more than beneficial on bringing them up to speed. This is why CPM campaigns should not run on promise platforms such as 'I will work tirelessly to buff 'insert item'. No matter what the CPM does internally it can be viewed as the most outstanding accountability record to date by both council and development but if community naysayers can twist it as a betrayal to the community it will be seen as such. For example CPM 0 was very upset over legion's announcement but the CPM knew there was nothing we could do about it. So the next best thing was to hold ccp accountable that legion will be well worth the social cost we warned them about. While CCP may had underestimated the social cost they're still committed to doing the best they absolutely can for legion still. I have confidence in this because I have evidence and knowledge that sometimes I wished was public on how fast legion is developing and how committed ccp is getting people's stuff moved over while at the same time not having plans to shut dust 514 down. Another example more relative to Pyrex case; he seriously thought that the original titan DD nerf was brought up by the CSM member (singular) when in fact it was development's idea in the first place and CSM only weighed in on the changes. Pyrex' views of council establishment has matured over the year we been in office but he still has habits that makes it excessively very difficult to work with even today. You're right I am unwilling to fathom; I am bad at it; i have constantly gotten bit by making a bad call based on gut calls alone without information beforehand so I stopped doing it. I know that there is a good chance that my top picks won't make it and there will be strangers on the council that I never heard from before but got elected because their community pool is an entirely different pool than the one I hang out in. This doesn't change the fact that the council must work together and if they let their emotions get the best of them we could have irreversible damage caused to council community and development. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Gallente Logistics =// Unlocked



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