The truth is, even if they removed squad play from Ambush, it would do nothing to change the alleged, "protostomping" that happens. People would still get stomped.

It boggles me that with any other FPS games, teamwork and working with others can be accepted, but in Dust the pub playing community somehow thinks its OP.

You are suggesting that pub match shouldn't be competitive or at least, a place for a competitive atmosphere. Which is funny in itself because pubs aren't competitive anyway.

I disagree with taking away squad play. Let's just be real here, the pub matches are filled with poor players.

This is no different than the Salem witch trials. If they removed squad play and you still get stomped, what would be your next suggestion? Taking away proto suits? And if they did, and you still get stomped...what will be your next suggestion? Because skill is at work here. Teamwork is at play as well. If you don't commit yourself to bettering those two, you will forever get stomped.

You see, people are not adapting or at least taking the effort to adapt. They constantly seek to change the game because they don't know how to take a defeat and learn from it.

Blame proto for lack of gungame and strategy. GG

I think you actually don't know why it's different in Dust versus all other FPS titles: accumulation of skill points in contrast to a lack of a level limit. If you play any other FPS title you eventually reach a "capped" state which, at that point, you can legitimately toss the "it's your skills" insult because if all players have equal access to weapons, fittings, equipment, etc while subject to the same levels, then it really tends to be an issue with skills and overall experience in the game (like where to hide, ambush, snipe from, etc).

With Dust there isn't a cap, someone whose played over a year can have a significant advantage in all areas versus someone who's played in just 4 months. Without this cap it also means that players who've played the longest can maintain this advantage in all situations; even if you swap everyone to use just militia gear they still get boosts from the native armor, shields buffs along with increases in shooting range, ammo capacity and the like.

That's why said "protostomping" is a more prevalent issue because as an attempt at a FPS~MMO, the lack of an upper wall limits the ability of new players to really actually get a hold of the game without dying 20 times. And I can even say when they ambush me in a 3-1 it's not even a guarantee that they can still kill me. While a cap is the easiest way to prevent this stuff, it's not feasible in a game like Dust anymore and we'd need to either do match tiering where there would be or "veteran modes" where skill points are pretty much unchanged but offer significantly higher payouts on the ISK. LIkewise anything CCP does isn't guaranteed to work; players can also enjoy being plain a@@holes and would love easier pub matches just to inflate their bloated egos.

Protostomp prevention 101: You squad up and blob

I think you actually don't know why it's different in Dust versus all other FPS titles: accumulation of skill points in contrast to a lack of a level limit. If you play any other FPS title you eventually reach a "capped" state which, at that point, you can legitimately toss the "it's your skills" insult because if all players have equal access to weapons, fittings, equipment, etc while subject to the same levels, then it really tends to be an issue with skills and overall experience in the game (like where to hide, ambush, snipe from, etc).

With Dust there isn't a cap, someone whose played over a year can have a significant advantage in all areas versus someone who's played in just 4 months. Without this cap it also means that players who've played the longest can maintain this advantage in all situations; even if you swap everyone to use just militia gear they still get boosts from the native armor, shields buffs along with increases in shooting range, ammo capacity and the like.

That's why said "protostomping" is a more prevalent issue because as an attempt at a FPS~MMO, the lack of an upper wall limits the ability of new players to really actually get a hold of the game without dying 20 times. And I can even say when they ambush me in a 3-1 it's not even a guarantee that they can still kill me. While a cap is the easiest way to prevent this stuff, it's not feasible in a game like Dust anymore and we'd need to either do match tiering where there would be or "veteran modes" where skill points are pretty much unchanged but offer significantly higher payouts on the ISK. LIkewise anything CCP does isn't guaranteed to work; players can also enjoy being plain a@@holes and would love easier pub matches just to inflate their bloated egos.

I would love to see this proved... As a veteran during your next 10 PC battles against multiple simalarly skilled groups, convince your corp to run nothing but starter suits with only basic or milita gear, please use your best players, while encouraging opposing team to do the same and post the results.

Btw this is not a troll it's a challenge. Imagine the bragging rights.

I would love to see this proved... As a veteran during your next 10 PC battles against multiple simalarly skilled groups, convince your corp to run nothing but starter suits with only basic or milita gear, please use your best players, while encouraging opposing team to do the same and post the results.

Btw this is not a troll it's a challenge. Imagine the bragging rights.

No need.

Confirming now that people who want to cheap out in PC get farmed except for when they are facing newbs/noobs.

You can get away with std weapons though, I run a toxin ar.

I mean full officer/proto vs. starter suits only. Vets vs. vets

The proto guys would win though as HP and DPS matter more when everyone in the match is decent.

I suggest a function in matchmaker select the tiers of dropsuits and weapons usable in matches i.e you can check/ uncheck militia, basic, advanced, and prototype gear in matchmaker just like you select match type in public contracts or alliance in faction warfare

note it is dropsuits, weapons, and tools NOT modules

I suggest a function in matchmaker select the tiers of dropsuits and weapons usable in matches i.e you can check/ uncheck militia, basic, advanced, and prototype gear in matchmaker just like you select match type in public contracts or alliance in faction warfare

note it is dropsuits, weapons, and tools NOT modules

A better idea would simply be matchmaking via Meta Level.

Basically, the system would total all of the Meta Level values from all of the items in your suit. Once it reaches a certain threshold, it would make that dropsuit an invalid fitting for the duration of the battle

That way it would be easy for the system to determine whether or not a player is simply using a great fitting, or attempting to 'protostomp'; as well as giving Meta Level a significant purpose in DUST.

This is also possible server side, as it doesn't require a UI change. Simply make the matchmaking tiers by security level, and have the player cancel deployment if they have a security level that they feel is too low.

Though CCP Ratati said that he would be looking into having a gamemode where players aren't able to squad up, which should alleviate some of the 'protostomping'.

Though CCP Ratati said that he would be looking into having a gamemode where players aren't able to squad up, which should alleviate some of the 'protostomping'.

I suggest a function in matchmaker select the tiers of dropsuits and weapons usable in matches i.e you can check/ uncheck militia, basic, advanced, and prototype gear in matchmaker just like you select match type in public contracts or alliance in faction warfare

note it is dropsuits, weapons, and tools NOT modules

If thats true, then that is the best god damn thing Ive ever heard about this game. Nothing has done more damage to this game than having the squad system in Public Matches.

When i want to play at a more competitive, coordinated level, ill join a Factional.

if they get rid of squads for Public Matches, i guarantee that the numbers of online players is going to hit 5 digits on weekends. Not to mention people who "Well I need to be in a squad to hang out with friends" will still have Factional Warfare or PC to play.

No, because then they will still stomp you with the same level of gear.

The best matchmaking system in my opinion should involve KDR. A protostomper would have a higher KDR than someone that gets stomped, so the system can either put protostomper against protostomper or protostomper+protostompee against average players, the idea being that average KDR on both teams is almost the same.

Typically someone with a higher KDR is a better player/slayer, so balancing KDRs on both teams should naturally give both teams a balanced fight.

I suggest a function in matchmaker select the tiers of dropsuits and weapons usable in matches i.e you can check/ uncheck militia, basic, advanced, and prototype gear in matchmaker just like you select match type in public contracts or alliance in faction warfare

note it is dropsuits, weapons, and tools NOT modules