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Kratek Heshan United Colonial Empire Army Freek Alliance 59	Posted - 2014.06.11 05:20:00 - [1] - Quote i observe win or lose the isk reward are the same how about a 10% or 20% win bonus on isk to our efforts to winning the match do you agree guys? its just unfair to the winning team the isk reward are all the same
pagl1u M Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 898	Posted - 2014.06.11 11:22:00 - [2] - Quote I d say 50% Minmatar loyalist!

CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 8066	Posted - 2014.06.11 11:46:00 - [3] - Quote This is already the case. The pool is split 60/40 in favour of the losers so assuming you have the same WP you'll get more ISK by winning. CCP Logibro // Patron Saint of Logistics // Distributor of Nanites (a¦á_a¦á)

steadyhand amarr shadows of 514 3164	Posted - 2014.06.11 11:57:00 - [4] - Quote that might be true but the winnings amount are so low the differnce is barely noticeable and in reality on the MvP on winning side would ever really see the effect "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 3453	Posted - 2014.06.11 12:08:00 - [5] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: that might be true but the winnings amount are so low the differnce is barely noticeable and in reality on the MvP on winning side would ever really see the effect It is actually very noticeable. It might be because I'm often running expensive tanks against other expensive tanks but it isn't unheard of that I'll pull 5-700k in matches (uncommonly, of course, but it does happen about weekly) and my squad mate in fourth place will only score about 200k. CCP Rattati Best Dev Sorry, Blowout...
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS 335	Posted - 2014.06.11 12:13:00 - [6] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: This is already the case. The pool is split 60/40 in favour of the losers so assuming you have the same WP you'll get more ISK by winning. what makes up the pool? is it isk destroyed? from both sides, or just one? how do WP factor into payouts on the same team?
headbust Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 38	Posted - 2014.06.11 13:09:00 - [7] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: steadyhand amarr wrote: that might be true but the winnings amount are so low the differnce is barely noticeable and in reality on the MvP on winning side would ever really see the effect It is actually very noticeable. It might be because I'm often running expensive tanks against other expensive tanks but it isn't unheard of that I'll pull 5-700k in matches (uncommonly, of course, but it does happen about weekly) and my squad mate in fourth place will only score about 200k. thats be cause u probably had 4-5k wp win or lose that is about right a scout = once you turn your back on me you'll never be able to look back
Velociraptor antirrhopus Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 186	Posted - 2014.06.11 13:41:00 - [8] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: This is already the case. The pool is split 60/40 in favour of the losers so assuming you have the same WP you'll get more ISK by winning. See? One of the many things even seasoned players like I don't even know. My thoughts on Hotfix Alpha: First I noticed a scout running from my AR. Then a heavy. Then a COMBAT RIFLE USER. CCP +1
Sum1ne Else G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1189	Posted - 2014.06.11 14:07:00 - [9] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: This is already the case. The pool is split 60/40 in favour of the losers so assuming you have the same WP you'll get more ISK by winning. I think it should be added in the interface so we get to see this. Not many people know of this! It would be nice at the end of the battle for it to say WIN BONUS
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 39	Posted - 2014.06.11 14:56:00 - [10] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: that might be true but the winnings amount are so low the differnce is barely noticeable and in reality on the MvP on winning side would ever really see the effect get more WP then.. iv have over 3.8k WP and gotten over 280k - 300k isk at the end of the round before.. a simple "git gud" could apply here Minmatar Logibro in training. Rusty needles anyone? No Mic and no time for "Squeekers" Nerf scout cloak+shotgun

Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2318	Posted - 2014.06.11 14:59:00 - [11] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: This is already the case. The pool is split 60/40 in favour of the losers so assuming you have the same WP you'll get more ISK by winning. Beat me to it. EDIT: DevBlog on the subject for those who haven't read it. Cross Atu for CPM1- An emergent candidate
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 40	Posted - 2014.06.11 15:00:00 - [12] - Quote Sum1ne Else wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: This is already the case. The pool is split 60/40 in favour of the losers so assuming you have the same WP you'll get more ISK by winning. I think it should be added in the interface so we get to see this. Not many people know of this! It would be nice at the end of the battle for it to say WIN BONUS perhaps expand on that... WIN.. and then by the kind of win... +5% bonus (ontop of existing win isk) for MCC destruction win. +10% for clone vat depletion might need to be tweeked between the different game mode types and amount of dust bunnies / clone vat reserves Minmatar Logibro in training. Rusty needles anyone? No Mic and no time for "Squeekers" Nerf scout cloak+shotgun
Mobius Wyvern Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 5293	Posted - 2014.06.11 17:22:00 - [13] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: This is already the case. The pool is split 60/40 in favour of the losers so assuming you have the same WP you'll get more ISK by winning. I wasn't even aware that was the case. Could the gap maybe be widened a bit more?
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 1926	Posted - 2014.06.11 17:39:00 - [14] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: This is already the case. The pool is split 60/40 in favour of the losers so assuming you have the same WP you'll get more ISK by winning. I wasn't even aware that was the case. Could the gap maybe be widened a bit more? If you widen the gap, then you only hurt the reds that stuck around to finish the match even when things weren't looking their way. If staying isn't worth it, people will just leave matches at the first sign they might lose, and too many matches will devolve into blowouts from having a high merc turnover. The REAL Internet King
Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp Covert Intervention 544	Posted - 2014.06.11 17:43:00 - [15] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: steadyhand amarr wrote: that might be true but the winnings amount are so low the differnce is barely noticeable and in reality on the MvP on winning side would ever really see the effect It is actually very noticeable. It might be because I'm often running expensive tanks against other expensive tanks but it isn't unheard of that I'll pull 5-700k in matches (uncommonly, of course, but it does happen about weekly) and my squad mate in fourth place will only score about 200k. I've been able to pull out 400k to 600k on a very good day (running logi) unfortunately if your not in the top 3 or so you don't see much benefit to winning. I've gotten more for losing with the most wp (1000) than winning with the 5th in wp (2500) -Sincerely --The Dual Swarm Commando
jaksol JAK darnson Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 17	Posted - 2014.06.11 19:06:00 - [16] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: that might be true but the winnings amount are so low the differnce is barely noticeable and in reality on the MvP on winning side would ever really see the effect i have recevice 750k isk on some games still rare thou "Sacrifice is a choice you make. Loss is a choice made for you."
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1475	Posted - 2014.06.11 19:46:00 - [17] - Quote The way the pool is divided currently is based upon WP. This means that to get large payouts you have to get significantly more WP than anyone else on your side. I find that matches where I score 1000 wp more than the next closest team mate pay out quite nicely, in the 300k isk range. If I'm able to really kick tail and score 4500+ WP then I often get payouts around 500k isk, though that does, once again, depend on how much better I've done than my team mates. Remember the better you do relative to your team mates the more isk you get payed. Fun > Realism
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 650	Posted - 2014.06.11 20:32:00 - [18] - Quote payout system suks in general
steadyhand amarr shadows of 514 3166	Posted - 2014.06.12 11:24:00 - [19] - Quote the the isk system helps the protostompers by ensuring they get even more isk payout than everyone else, look i understand rewards based on skill sounds nice on paper, but 90% of player base will be causals or people who never be that good, so they will never ever see these awesome payouts. performance based rewards in videogames just lead to lopsided metagames where the rich get richer and poor just get farmed to ****. please just moved to fixed isk rewards with a win bonues this warpoint system was worse thing to be implemented "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
Stefan Stahl Seituoda Taskforce Command 575	Posted - 2014.06.12 12:28:00 - [20] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: the the isk system helps the protostompers by ensuring they get even more isk payout than everyone else, look i understand rewards based on skill sounds nice on paper, but 90% of player base will be causals or people who never be that good, so they will never ever see these awesome payouts. performance based rewards in videogames just lead to lopsided metagames where the rich get richer and poor just get farmed to ****. please just moved to fixed isk rewards with a win bonues this warpoint system was worse thing to be implemented I agree that the payout should be equalized among players. The current system has some disadvantages: - If the loss of a match is likely it is economically best to stop playing or use crappy gear. This worsens the match for both teams. - ISK accumulates with the veterans. Veterans run ISK profitable on the tears of new players that can't afford to fight back. This is a detriment to all involved parties. I'd suggest to steer towards a more equal payout: - Flatten the WP/ISK-curve. I can't suggest a number because I don't know how it's calculated. Any blue tag clarification? - Reduce the ISK-payout ratio between the winning and losing team. Let's go with 55/45. The winning team then wins 12% more ISK than the losing team instead of the current 50% bonus. - Long-term I'd like to move to a situation where all players earn exactly the same amount of ISK. No performance-bonus at all. That way ISK bleeds from the vets to the new players as an incentive to keep fighting the tough enemies.

Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2415	Posted - 2014.06.12 12:38:00 - [21] - Quote Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: This is already the case. The pool is split 60/40 in favour of the losers so assuming you have the same WP you'll get more ISK by winning. See? One of the many things even seasoned players like I don't even know. I've worked it out before and found that your % of WP for your team is DIRECTLY proportional to your payout after factoring out your time spent in the match. I found this by just not getting any WP during a match, subtracting my payout from other squad members'. Then you take their payout and divide it by WPs. Then when subtract out the base pay from everyone elses in the match you get the same isk/WP for each person that was in the game the whole time. From match to match this changes based on isk destroyed though.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4414	Posted - 2014.06.12 12:56:00 - [22] - Quote 60/40? Figures it was a difference that small. There is no incentive whatsoever for people to try and win pubs. Of course every team is full of people acting stupid. It should be closer to 80/20.
Kratek Heshan United Colonial Empire Army Freek Alliance 60	Posted - 2014.06.12 13:35:00 - [23] - Quote even im in 1st place on the losing team the amount of isk is still the same win or lose
Jimmy McNaulty Last VenDetta. Dark Taboo 158	Posted - 2014.06.12 17:03:00 - [24] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: This is already the case. The pool is split 60/40 in favour of the losers so assuming you have the same WP you'll get more ISK by winning. Logibro, Are you sure it's 60/40 in favour of the losers? Or did you mean the winning team gets 60? Is there anyway to get the recipe for the secret sauce that is ISK payout?.... for things other than maximization of course... I think it would go perfectly with a steak I am marinating in tears... RIP GIF SIG

CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 8110	Posted - 2014.06.12 17:20:00 - [25] - Quote Jimmy McNaulty wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: This is already the case. The pool is split 60/40 in favour of the losers so assuming you have the same WP you'll get more ISK by winning. Logibro, Are you sure it's 60/40 in favour of the losers? Or did you mean the winning team gets 60? Is there anyway to get the recipe for the secret sauce that is ISK payout?.... for things other than maximization of course... I think it would go perfectly with a steak I am marinating in tears... Favour of winners. I blame midnight forum posting CCP Logibro // Patron Saint of Logistics // Distributor of Nanites (a¦á_a¦á)

Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2420	Posted - 2014.06.12 17:24:00 - [26] - Quote Kratek Heshan wrote: even im in 1st place on the losing team the amount of isk is still the same win or lose No it isn't. If you would have lost, you wouldn't have gotten as much. What does happen is if you are lone wolfing either game and you get 2x as much WP as the next guy, then you could possibly have such a high share of the WP, that you don't notice the fact that you lost.
Jimmy McNaulty Last VenDetta. Dark Taboo 158	Posted - 2014.06.12 20:33:00 - [27] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Jimmy McNaulty wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: This is already the case. The pool is split 60/40 in favour of the losers so assuming you have the same WP you'll get more ISK by winning. Is there anyway to get the recipe for the secret sauce that is ISK payout?.... for things other than maximization of course... I think it would go perfectly with a steak I am marinating in tears... Favour of winners. I blame midnight forum posting And of the secret sauce? Please have some beers first and wait until midnight so that you are in the proper state to divulge secrets with culpable deniability. RIP GIF SIG
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 833	Posted - 2014.06.12 21:18:00 - [28] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: the the isk system helps the protostompers by ensuring they get even more isk payout than everyone else, look i understand rewards based on skill sounds nice on paper, but 90% of player base will be causals or people who never be that good, so they will never ever see these awesome payouts. performance based rewards in videogames just lead to lopsided metagames where the rich get richer and poor just get farmed to ****. please just moved to fixed isk rewards with a win bonues this warpoint system was worse thing to be implemented This isn't entirely true. I kind of suck at this game but I often end up at the top of the leaderboard. I mostly run standard gear but I have moved up to advance on two suits. This does make quite a bit of difference, don't let anyone fool you that it doesn't. Because, that's why.
steadyhand amarr shadows of 514 3169	Posted - 2014.06.14 18:26:00 - [29] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: steadyhand amarr wrote: the the isk system helps the protostompers by ensuring they get even more isk payout than everyone else, look i understand rewards based on skill sounds nice on paper, but 90% of player base will be causals or people who never be that good, so they will never ever see these awesome payouts. performance based rewards in videogames just lead to lopsided metagames where the rich get richer and poor just get farmed to ****. please just moved to fixed isk rewards with a win bonues this warpoint system was worse thing to be implemented This isn't entirely true. I kind of suck at this game but I often end up at the top of the leaderboard. I mostly run standard gear but I have moved up to advance on two suits. This does make quite a bit of difference, don't let anyone fool you that it doesn't. ...then u dont suck at the game... U cant end up being top of leaderboard most of the time and suck... You also post here which means u part of the 10% fanatics :-P sadly u dont fall into majority im on about :-). "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 657	Posted - 2014.06.14 23:39:00 - [30] - Quote ther needs to be another way to gain isk rather than pvp battles but we will never see that because its too hard

Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4434	Posted - 2014.06.15 00:56:00 - [31] - Quote Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: ther needs to be another way to gain isk rather than pvp battles but we will never see that because its too hard Man, it's like somehow no matter what the topic is about, somebody somewhere will find a way to insert their whine about such a boring as hell feature not being in the game.
Martin0 Brancaleone Maphia Clan Corporation 553	Posted - 2014.06.15 08:40:00 - [32] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: This is already the case. The pool is split 60/40 in favour of the winners so assuming you have the same WP you'll get more ISK by winning. 10% more isk is hardly an incentive. In world of tanks (random example) the winning team gets 50% more silver and xp than the losing team. You WANT to win, because if you blow up, but win, you'll get more xp/silver than someone who survives but loses. In dust it's not the case, often you get better isk losing a game than losing another fitted dropsuit and winning.
Stefan Stahl Seituoda Taskforce Command 586	Posted - 2014.06.15 08:58:00 - [33] - Quote Martin0 Brancaleone wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: This is already the case. The pool is split 60/40 in favour of the winners so assuming you have the same WP you'll get more ISK by winning. 10% more isk is hardly an incentive. In world of tanks (random example) the winning team gets 50% more silver and xp than the losing team. You WANT to win, because if you blow up, but win, you'll get more xp/silver than someone who survives but loses. In dust it's not the case, often you get better isk losing a game than losing another fitted dropsuit and winning. You realize that 60% of the pool is precisely 50% more than 40% of that same pot?
Martin0 Brancaleone Maphia Clan Corporation 557	Posted - 2014.06.15 09:57:00 - [34] - Quote Stefan Stahl wrote: Martin0 Brancaleone wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: This is already the case. The pool is split 60/40 in favour of the winners so assuming you have the same WP you'll get more ISK by winning. 10% more isk is hardly an incentive. In world of tanks (random example) the winning team gets 50% more silver and xp than the losing team. You WANT to win, because if you blow up, but win, you'll get more xp/silver than someone who survives but loses. In dust it's not the case, often you get better isk losing a game than losing another fitted dropsuit and winning. You realize that 60% of the pool is precisely 50% more than 40% of that same pot? Ops you are right i derped. Hard. /hides in the shadow in shame.
Argetlam Thorson Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 61	Posted - 2014.06.16 04:51:00 - [35] - Quote Stefan Stahl wrote: - Long-term I'd like to move to a situation where all players earn exactly the same amount of ISK. No performance-bonus at all. That way ISK bleeds from the vets to the new players as an incentive to keep fighting the tough enemies. AAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!! No, you filthy commie! In all seriousness, no that idea doesn't encourage players to do well, just participate. "I know you lost your soccer tournament, but we'll give you a participation trophy, because you're a special snowflake." Just....no. I would support increasing the cost of proto stuff though, by say....500% maybe? It would mean less protostomping because it would be wholly unprofitable for most people. Also it would be even more satisfying to kill with cheap gear than it is now.
iKILLu osborne Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 9	Posted - 2014.06.18 10:14:00 - [36] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: the the isk system helps the protostompers by ensuring they get even more isk payout than everyone else, look i understand rewards based on skill sounds nice on paper, but 90% of player base will be causals or people who never be that good, so they will never ever see these awesome payouts. performance based rewards in videogames just lead to lopsided metagames where the rich get richer and poor just get farmed to ****. please just moved to fixed isk rewards with a win bonues this warpoint system was worse thing to be implemented sir no offense but on most matches i finish 1st with 2500 to 3000 wp and i get between 250k to 350k isk, but the thing is if i die twice in my proto fit i'm losing isk, so the winning side payout does not pad anybody's wallet that runs full proto trust me my wallet has been at 3m constantly fluxating up and down hey you liar! i didn't sneak up on you, i was following you for 5 minutes , waiting for you to hack that cru for a camp


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