DUST Search - Petition: Remove Vehicles from Ambush

Sum1ne Else wrote:

Medic 1879 wrote:

Disagree, instead of putting a bandaid over the crappy spawning system and various other problems that ambush suffers by removing vehicles I would prefer it if they fixed ambush, I would love it to be like suppression from MAG having protected spawns and a central fighting area that isnt just one giant open field. It would also make sense from a reality aspect think about it this is supposedly a battle fought by ultra experienced immortals but instead of activating clones in a tactically viable location (uplinks aside we are talking "smart spawn" here) these veterans of countless fights (or their commanders) seemingly think spawning on their own in the middle of a giant group of reds or respawning 2 inches away from where you died infront of the tank that killed you is a great idea.

However this is just legion alpha testing going on here so we can ask for these things but we wont get them until legion comes out and more than likely they will be broken when CCP realizes that PC will make for a better looking and technically superior game but they still cant balance a FPS to save their lives.

In Suppression there were no vehicles..your point is invalid! ..Actually the vehicles were objects to hide behind with foliage growing from them.

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Sum1ne Else G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1169	Posted - 2014.06.06 09:31:00 - [1] - Quote Discuss..Sign, Whatever.
Sum1ne Else G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1169	Posted - 2014.06.06 09:32:00 - [2] - Quote Maybe keep them for OMS? at least its a compromise..
Cogadh Draco WarRavens Final Resolution. 26	Posted - 2014.06.06 09:46:00 - [3] - Quote Sum1ne Else wrote: Discuss..Sign, Whatever. Signed I actually do agree with this, because ambush should be like a standard team deathmatch mode, like in MAG(I dare not say CoD). If you wanna spam tanks, LAV murder taxis, or dropshitting go over to domination or skirmish. Those game modes are cap 'n hold, so of course you'll need vehicles for better advantage of holding a point or two.
Medic 1879 Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 2018	Posted - 2014.06.06 10:30:00 - [4] - Quote Disagree, instead of putting a bandaid over the crappy spawning system and various other problems that ambush suffers by removing vehicles I would prefer it if they fixed ambush, I would love it to be like suppression from MAG having protected spawns and a central fighting area that isnt just one giant open field. It would also make sense from a reality aspect think about it this is supposedly a battle fought by ultra experienced immortals but instead of activating clones in a tactically viable location (uplinks aside we are talking "smart spawn" here) these veterans of countless fights (or their commanders) seemingly think spawning on their own in the middle of a giant group of reds or respawning 2 inches away from where you died infront of the tank that killed you is a great idea. However this is just legion alpha testing going on here so we can ask for these things but we wont get them until legion comes out and more than likely they will be broken when CCP realizes that PC will make for a better looking and technically superior game but they still cant balance a FPS to save their lives. Lead Diplomat for Forsaken Immortals.
Denchlad 7 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 298	Posted - 2014.06.06 10:33:00 - [5] - Quote No. I dont know how many times ive suggested/said this. Ambush = No Vehicles. Ambush OMS = Vehicles. Normal Ambush, and OMS with Turrets to harm vehicles. Done. I will be the only player to Prototype every single god damn weapon before Dust dies. I swear to it.
Sum1ne Else G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1170	Posted - 2014.06.06 10:47:00 - [6] - Quote Medic 1879 wrote: Disagree, instead of putting a bandaid over the crappy spawning system and various other problems that ambush suffers by removing vehicles I would prefer it if they fixed ambush, I would love it to be like suppression from MAG having protected spawns and a central fighting area that isnt just one giant open field. It would also make sense from a reality aspect think about it this is supposedly a battle fought by ultra experienced immortals but instead of activating clones in a tactically viable location (uplinks aside we are talking "smart spawn" here) these veterans of countless fights (or their commanders) seemingly think spawning on their own in the middle of a giant group of reds or respawning 2 inches away from where you died infront of the tank that killed you is a great idea. However this is just legion alpha testing going on here so we can ask for these things but we wont get them until legion comes out and more than likely they will be broken when CCP realizes that PC will make for a better looking and technically superior game but they still cant balance a FPS to save their lives. In Suppression there were no vehicles..your point is invalid! ..Actually the vehicles were objects to hide behing with foliage growing from them.
Echo 1991 WarRavens Final Resolution. 302	Posted - 2014.06.06 11:21:00 - [7] - Quote Vehicles shouldnt be in ambush. For the simple reason being there is no need for them. All that happens in ambush is killing infantry and vehicles arent needed for that.
Medic 1879 Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 2020	Posted - 2014.06.06 11:38:00 - [8] - Quote Sum1ne Else wrote: Medic 1879 wrote: Disagree, instead of putting a bandaid over the crappy spawning system and various other problems that ambush suffers by removing vehicles I would prefer it if they fixed ambush, I would love it to be like suppression from MAG having protected spawns and a central fighting area that isnt just one giant open field. It would also make sense from a reality aspect think about it this is supposedly a battle fought by ultra experienced immortals but instead of activating clones in a tactically viable location (uplinks aside we are talking "smart spawn" here) these veterans of countless fights (or their commanders) seemingly think spawning on their own in the middle of a giant group of reds or respawning 2 inches away from where you died infront of the tank that killed you is a great idea. However this is just legion alpha testing going on here so we can ask for these things but we wont get them until legion comes out and more than likely they will be broken when CCP realizes that PC will make for a better looking and technically superior game but they still cant balance a FPS to save their lives. In Suppression there were no vehicles..your point is invalid! ..Actually the vehicles were objects to hide behind with foliage growing from them. Aye but imagine suppression on larger maps with vehicles added in it would have been brilliant. Lead Diplomat for Forsaken Immortals.
Gooseman Manwhore CREATURES OF THE NIGHT 37	Posted - 2014.06.06 12:19:00 - [9] - Quote But how would milkman1 get all of his isk? I put the sexi in dyslexia
xXCastroBoyXx duna corp 14	Posted - 2014.06.06 12:37:00 - [10] - Quote Denchlad 7 wrote: No. I dont know how many times ive suggested/said this. Ambush = No Vehicles. Ambush OMS = Vehicles. Normal Ambush, and OMS with Turrets to harm vehicles. Done. Then in match search there should be 4 options ( Skirmish/ Domination/ Ambush/ Ambush OMS ) Other wise, no. If this would become a thing then next treads would be ''Remove Proto Suits and weapons from Ambush - they too OP''. Don't go ranting about everything, deal with it. 536f72727920492061746520616c6c - Decode for a cookie

Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 3410	Posted - 2014.06.06 12:38:00 - [11] - Quote I disagree. It's pretty straightforward to roflstomp Ambush in PRO gear. Don't tell me you want that removed too? BlowoutForCPM
Zindorak CaUsE-4-CoNcErN 2	Posted - 2014.06.06 12:59:00 - [12] - Quote Gooseman Manwhore wrote: But how would milkman1 get all of his isk? this just made my day
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 9156	Posted - 2014.06.06 13:04:00 - [13] - Quote I agree with this statement here: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Firstly, don't use Ambush to asses vehicle balance. It's the map design and spawn system that heavily imbalances vehicles in that gamemode. Constantly moving battlefronts do not allow AV to setup strategic positions to attack vehicles while being defended from the [hostile] infantry by their squad. At any time a player can spawn behind you, the battlefront can move, and there is no tactic to stop that. This removes the ability to play strategically. The maps and sockets are also to open and too small, allowing vehicles to cover the entire map in a short period of time. This leaves AV players exposed while 150m ranged Blaster Tanks with seemingly endless ammo and no cooldown, or [inaudible] douchebags in ADSs shoot at them with impunity. Ambush should have no vehicles; it currently doesn't have the correct design for it. So while frustrating, and you'll never see me in an ADS in Ambush, we need to look to more strategic modes to asses vehicles. Amarrians would prefer you be faithful. I'd rather you be logical. Your friendly neighborhood Swarm Scrub. -HAND
Denchlad 7 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 301	Posted - 2014.06.06 13:24:00 - [14] - Quote xXCastroBoyXx wrote: Denchlad 7 wrote: No. I dont know how many times ive suggested/said this. Ambush = No Vehicles. Ambush OMS = Vehicles. Normal Ambush, and OMS with Turrets to harm vehicles. Done. Then in match search there should be 4 options ( Skirmish/ Domination/ Ambush/ Ambush OMS ) Other wise, no. If this would become a thing then next treads would be ''Remove Proto Suits and weapons from Ambush - they too OP''. Don't go ranting about everything, deal with it. Pereonally it doesnt bother me in the slightest. Its just the easiest fix that keeps both sides happy, whether both Ambush and Ambush OMS are seperated again or not. I will be the only player to Prototype every single god damn weapon before Dust dies. I swear to it.
Sum1ne Else G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1175	Posted - 2014.06.06 13:25:00 - [15] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: I disagree. It's pretty straightforward to roflstomp Ambush in PRO gear. Don't tell me you want that removed too? LOL ^ er...no
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2119	Posted - 2014.06.06 13:27:00 - [16] - Quote How about you stop playing team deathmatch? I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Sum1ne Else G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1175	Posted - 2014.06.06 13:37:00 - [17] - Quote xXCastroBoyXx wrote: Denchlad 7 wrote: No. I dont know how many times ive suggested/said this. Ambush = No Vehicles. Ambush OMS = Vehicles. Normal Ambush, and OMS with Turrets to harm vehicles. Done. Then in match search there should be 4 options ( Skirmish/ Domination/ Ambush/ Ambush OMS ) Other wise, no. If this would become a thing then next treads would be ''Remove Proto Suits and weapons from Ambush - they too OP''. Don't go ranting about everything, deal with it. Wow- clearly somebody didnt get the memo ..There used to be 4 game modes like this but CCP decided to put Amb and OMS together. This is fine, and this is not the issue. Its the freeking tanks in standard ambush! Ok, scenario: -50 man ambush 'I will use my rail rifle, looks like an open map, ok, lets go' ..no tanks..'wow i used my rail rifle the whole game' -50 man ambush 'I will use my rail rifle, looks like an open map, ok, lets go' ..'wow got 3 kills, o o TANK its killed me, damn blueberry picked me up, damn that TANK killed me AGAIN-ok getting my swarms and my buddies getting his forge, OH I couldnt set up properly and the TANK killed me again....oh game over already- that tank got 29 kills and I went 3/3'
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1463	Posted - 2014.06.06 13:44:00 - [18] - Quote Judge Radmathison says: Remove Vehicles from Ambush Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Sum1ne Else G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1175	Posted - 2014.06.06 13:47:00 - [19] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Judge Radmathison says: Remove Vehicles from Ambush THIS IS ALL! Deal Done- Judge will get my vote for CPM1 CCP need to give him a job, seriously.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1463	Posted - 2014.06.06 13:51:00 - [20] - Quote Sum1ne Else wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Judge Radmathison says: Remove Vehicles from Ambush THIS IS ALL! Deal Done- Judge will get my vote for CPM1 CCP need to give him a job, seriously. Here's the link: Judge Rhadamanthus: Remove Vehicles from Ambush FFWD if you wish; it is near the end. I totally agree, by the way. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley

Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 9159	Posted - 2014.06.06 13:54:00 - [21] - Quote xXCastroBoyXx wrote: Fallacious drivel Amarrians would prefer you be faithful. I'd rather you be logical. Your friendly neighborhood Swarm Scrub. -HAND
Heimdallr69 2495	Posted - 2014.06.06 14:10:00 - [22] - Quote I disagree. Maybe if they fix the spawning first, I get spawn killed all the time in bush so it really doesn't matter to me if there are tanks or not. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Pvt Numnutz Watchdoge Explosives 1391	Posted - 2014.06.06 14:10:00 - [23] - Quote Signed
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 27	Posted - 2014.06.06 14:44:00 - [24] - Quote Signed Nanite Injectors! Nanite Injectors Everywhere! Minmatar Logibro in training. Rusty needles anyone?
xXCastroBoyXx duna corp 14	Posted - 2014.06.07 15:56:00 - [25] - Quote Dah f**k it all, since Dust is coming ( cumming lol ) to end, lets just change everything in game, signed. 536f72727920492061746520616c6c - Decode for a cookie
Onesimus Tarsus Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 2059	Posted - 2014.06.07 16:10:00 - [26] - Quote Nah, leave them in. Reduce WP for kills in vehicles by 80%, and slightly buff AV and you're there. Battlefield 1943. Running since 2009. I'm diskinetic, BTW. Birth, growth, decline, death.
Egonz4 326	Posted - 2014.06.07 16:12:00 - [27] - Quote Yes signed self proclaimed - Master of The Flaylock
danthrax martin Butcher's Nails 76	Posted - 2014.06.07 17:22:00 - [28] - Quote Signed Fatty Fat Fat gk.0 - HMG / Duvolle Noob DS Ferryman
TIGER SHARK1501 The Phoenix Federation Dark Taboo 21	Posted - 2014.06.15 20:16:00 - [29] - Quote Disagree. Whine a bit more guys. The problem started when 1.8 dropped and CCP made vehicles cheaper so if you lost say a drop ship or 2 tanks it wasn't the end of the world. In addition when the update kicked in they became more effective for anyone to run say a militia tank while beforehand a tanker was more effective as they further spec into a skill such as dealing more damage, higher repair, shooting farther. Due to those changes from that update is was easier for anyone to spam the battlefield with vehicles because they didn't need to use SP to gain better abilities such as militia tanks with railguns. The system was fine but people complained and they did the vehicle update in 1.8 which caused the vehicle spam. And now people are still complaining. Deal with it.
ANON Cerberus ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 836	Posted - 2014.06.15 20:44:00 - [30] - Quote Well considering they nerfed vehicles to 2 in ambush, 99% of the time I can never call in a lav or dropship to traverse the larger maps anyway. Signed - Remove ALL vehicles from Ambush. Have Ambush OMS for vehicle play and increase numbers back to max for Ambush OMS. Give us the option to choose to play ambush OR Ambush OMS. By the way I like it how its mainly only the perpetrators of ambush spawn farming with tanks that DON'T want vehicles removed. Says a lot about the game mode doesn't it.

Yokal Bob NoGameNoLife 474	Posted - 2014.06.15 20:56:00 - [31] - Quote Oh stop complaining already, just bring AV or a tank of your own. i would rather have the random spawn points fixed Sort out Dust before Legion or that will be a mess too
Yeeeuuuupppp 339	Posted - 2014.06.15 20:57:00 - [32] - Quote Something about this on the list planned for Hot fix bravo mate. Rage Proficiency V Mic status: Muted Storage Wars Champion.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1889	Posted - 2014.06.15 20:58:00 - [33] - Quote Yeeeuuuupppp wrote: Something about this on the list planned for Hot fix bravo mate. Did it make the cut? Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10629	Posted - 2014.06.15 21:00:00 - [34] - Quote Cogadh Draco wrote: Sum1ne Else wrote: Discuss..Sign, Whatever. Signed I actually do agree with this, because ambush should be like a standard team deathmatch mode, like in MAG(I dare not say CoD). If you wanna spam tanks, LAV murder taxis, or dropshitting go over to domination or skirmish. Those game modes are cap 'n hold, so of course you'll need vehicles for better advantage of holding a point or two. Ambush should be on foot only. I'm going to agree with you and say yeah removed vehicles from Ambush but not because of the reason you suggested, as a player I am just as entitled to take my assets into a match to fight..... however because of map design and constraints then wholly unbalance the infantry combat. "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
Atiim NoGameNoLife 9483	Posted - 2014.06.15 21:46:00 - [35] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Yeeeuuuupppp wrote: Something about this on the list planned for Hot fix bravo mate. Did it make the cut? Yes, it's guaranteed to be removed from Ambush, but they'll see if there's a way to keep it in Ambush OMS. Amarrians would prefer you be faithful... I'd rather you be logical. Proud defender of Ishukone Corporation. -HAMD
Funkmaster Whale Whale Farm 2306	Posted - 2014.06.15 22:08:00 - [36] - Quote This would be one change that would actually make me want to log on and play DUST occasionally. I've become so bored with this game that I hardly have any incentive to play anymore. I'm tired of capturing null cannons to destroy enemy MCC , I hate FacWar, and there's no way I'll be getting back into PC (the competitive DUST boat has sailed long ago for me). Ambush is where it's at, and being a solo player having to deal with tanks is uber frustrating. I just want to log on, shoot some heads, and log off. Ambush is prime for that, but tankers seriously ruin the fun. There's not enough time or coordination to get a tank down to kill the enemy tank when there's only 50 or 80 clones. If and when I do drop a tank down to take care of the problem the clone count is hitting close to zero by that time. Just straight up get rid of them. Let tanks do their things in objective-based maps. Keep ez mode tanks out of my deathmatch mode. Follow me on Twitch.tv!
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 3918	Posted - 2014.06.16 00:32:00 - [37] - Quote In lieu of them being able to fix Smart Deploy (best CCP troll, evar.) then I'm in favor of it. The team vehicle limit being set at 2 is ridiculous. I can't call in transport because of wannabe HAV stompage. No limit to Transport Vehicles may be enough to sway my decision in the other direction. PSN: The_Rynoceros Destiny beta SoonGäó Console Master Race
Gaurdian Satyr Glitched Connection 290	Posted - 2014.06.16 00:41:00 - [38] - Quote normal - yes remove oms- 2 cap NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR CONSOLE OR PC
Scheneighnay McBob The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance 5289	Posted - 2014.06.16 01:16:00 - [39] - Quote I never do ambush, much less drive vehicles in ambush, and completely disagree. The reason your game-mode is **** isn't because of vehicles, it's because your spawn system is ****. Back when I played ambush, you weren't spawned 3 meters away from a clump of reds just because your allies were there. Once fighting started happening in an area, the default spawn would drop everyone practically across the map from it. This gave everyone plenty of time to get to defensible positions or set themselves up for a decent counterattack. péñpâ¦pé+pâìpââpâêpü«tÄïµºÿpüïpéÅpüäpüä pé¦pâ+pé¦pâ½pâäpâ¬pâ¦pé¦pâ¼pâ+pâêpü»sñ¬S+ïpéè


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