My Minmitar scout is now useless. Can't hide from Caldari scouts, Gallente scouts are still more superior. Thanks guys (sarcasm here in case you idiots can't tell)

Gal scout has the lowest bonuses of all scouts and is hardly undetectable any more. But out of curiosity what has changed for the minmatar scout?

Edit: the question regarding the mini scout is a honest one because I think about speccing into them...

With the cloak damp bonus I could put a kincat for speed (since the Minmitar is meant for speed) and a damp without having to worry about getting scanned. While Caldari scouts were still able to scan me in the past, those that only put one precision mod instead of two couldn't see me on scans.

NOW all they need is one. I am forced to put two damps (this is on an adv) on my suit making me slower. We're talking about a suit that is supposed to be a speed suit. I take advantage of the Nova Knife bonus on this suit, so speed is something I need. That's what's changed.

The thing about knives is you need to survive long enough to get next to the person, and be able to be faster than they back pedal. To get next to a person you have to be a ghost. Base movement speed on the minmatar just isn't enough for knives. Base dampening isn't enough. Two lows, the resource cost of knives, shields, and a cloak means you're not fitting a combination of those things to actually be useful as all of those are the most resource intensives mods in the game. All of these ironically are key to making the Minmatar suit actually useful.

Sorry to anyone arguing but kincats and staying damped are a necessary part to make knives work. Minmatar are now really really bad assassins. They're slow, blind, and scanned easily.

Also the minmatar has always been the suit that has had to sacrifice a lot to be remotely good at one thing. So before everyone jumps down Demon's throat, the minmatar suit is still far behind all the cal and gal scouts by quite a bit in terms of usefulness.

The thing about knives is you need to survive long enough to get next to the person, and be able to be faster than they back pedal. To get next to a person you have to be a ghost. Base movement speed on the minmatar just isn't enough for knives. Base dampening isn't enough. Two lows, the resource cost of knives, shields, and a cloak means you're not fitting a combination of those things to actually be useful as all of those are the most resource intensives mods in the game. All of these ironically are key to making the Minmatar suit actually useful.

Sorry to anyone arguing but kincats and staying damped are a necessary part to make knives work. Minmatar are now really really bad assassins. They're slow, blind, and scanned easily.

Also the minmatar has always been the suit that has had to sacrifice a lot to be remotely good at one thing. So before everyone jumps down Demon's throat, the minmatar suit is still far behind all the cal and gal scouts by quite a bit in terms of usefulness.

My Minmitar scout is now useless. Can't hide from Caldari scouts, Gallente scouts are still more superior. Thanks guys (sarcasm here in case you idiots can't tell)

With the cloak damp bonus I could put a kincat for speed (since the Minmitar is meant for speed) and a damp without having to worry about getting scanned. While Caldari scouts were still able to scan me in the past, those that only put one precision mod instead of two couldn't see me on scans.

NOW all they need is one. I am forced to put two damps (this is on an adv) on my suit making me slower. We're talking about a suit that is supposed to be a speed suit. I take advantage of the Nova Knife bonus on this suit, so speed is something I need. That's what's changed.

Now for anyone saying I have to choose between speed and stealth, is that not what the scout is suppised to be? Stealthy AND speedy? We have this, but low health (or SUPPOSED to have low health). I chose the scout role because of these two reasons. But now you're going to tell me that I have choose between the two things that make a scout?

If you think one scout suit is somehow better, why not play it? I don't understand.

My Minmitar scout is now useless. Can't hide from Caldari scouts, Gallente scouts are still more superior. Thanks guys (sarcasm here in case you idiots can't tell)

This was always the case....how does Alpha change this?

I haven't played yet but just by the math minmitar will need 3 complex damps and a proto cloak to hide from gal logistics with focused scans and Cal with 2 precision mods.

I run Min-Scout. It isn't broken. Not in the least bit. 2x Complex Dampeners and a complex reactive plate, 3x complex shields, adv cloak, compact nanohive, Proto LW. EHP is high, Damp is relatively high, you are still relatively fast.

I don't understand the complaint. You can change out a complex shields for an enhanced damage mod like I do on occasion. That is a great build.

Ya you don't knife do You?

*Reads your post, checks fitting options.*

Yep. Choose between stealth or speed. Although your Minmatar scout suit has a good base profile signature and has the fastest base suit speed in game... I'm sorry, what are you whining about again?

Korvin, the dampening bonus from the cloak was reduced.
Now you generally need to actually damp to avoid things.

Maybe now you know how it felt to be a Minmatar pre-1.8

Edit: I do feel your pain though. I want to become a Minja but if they don't show it some love I never will. What the hell good is it if you can't even fit a Kin Cat or Cardiac?

Maybe now you know how it felt to be a Minmatar pre-1.8

Edit: I do feel your pain though. I want to become a Minja but if they don't show it some love I never will. What the hell good is it if you can't even fit a Kin Cat or Cardiac?