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Demon Buddah Inner.Hell 200	Posted - 2014.06.04 14:41:00 - [1] - Quote My Minmitar scout is now useless. Can't hide from Caldari scouts, Gallente scouts are still more superior. Thanks guys (sarcasm here in case you idiots can't tell)
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 968	Posted - 2014.06.04 14:51:00 - [2] - Quote Demon Buddah wrote: My Minmitar scout is now useless. Can't hide from Caldari scouts, Gallente scouts are still more superior. Thanks guys (sarcasm here in case you idiots can't tell) Gal scout has the lowest bonuses of all scouts and is hardly undetectable any more. But out of curiosity what has changed for the minmatar scout?
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 14010	Posted - 2014.06.04 15:23:00 - [3] - Quote Korvin, the dampening bonus from the cloak was reduced. Now you generally need to actually damp to avoid things. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Demon Buddah Inner.Hell 200	Posted - 2014.06.04 15:27:00 - [4] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Demon Buddah wrote: My Minmitar scout is now useless. Can't hide from Caldari scouts, Gallente scouts are still more superior. Thanks guys (sarcasm here in case you idiots can't tell) Gal scout has the lowest bonuses of all scouts and is hardly undetectable any more. But out of curiosity what has changed for the minmatar scout? Edit: the question regarding the mini scout is a honest one because I think about speccing into them... With the cloak damp bonus I could put a kincat for speed (since the Minmitar is meant for speed) and a damp without having to worry about getting scanned. While Caldari scouts were still able to scan me in the past, those that only put one precision mod instead of two couldn't see me on scans. NOW all they need is one. I am forced to put two damps (this is on an adv) on my suit making me slower. We're talking about a suit that is supposed to be a speed suit. I take advantage of the Nova Knife bonus on this suit, so speed is something I need. That's what's changed.
Duran Lex Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 1070	Posted - 2014.06.04 15:55:00 - [5] - Quote Demon Buddah wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: Demon Buddah wrote: My Minmitar scout is now useless. Can't hide from Caldari scouts, Gallente scouts are still more superior. Thanks guys (sarcasm here in case you idiots can't tell) Gal scout has the lowest bonuses of all scouts and is hardly undetectable any more. But out of curiosity what has changed for the minmatar scout? Edit: the question regarding the mini scout is a honest one because I think about speccing into them... With the cloak damp bonus I could put a kincat for speed (since the Minmitar is meant for speed) and a damp without having to worry about getting scanned. While Caldari scouts were still able to scan me in the past, those that only put one precision mod instead of two couldn't see me on scans. NOW all they need is one. I am forced to put two damps (this is on an adv) on my suit making me slower. We're talking about a suit that is supposed to be a speed suit. I take advantage of the Nova Knife bonus on this suit, so speed is something I need. That's what's changed. So you are complaining about having to make decisions on which area of your suit will excel? Working as intended. Nothing to see here folks, just a disgruntled fool.
Jadek Menaheim Ancient Textiles. 3162	Posted - 2014.06.04 15:57:00 - [6] - Quote CCP really helped you out with the elimination of the stun lock mechanic. Use that your advantage and fit your suits for maximum speed and damage output. Where does you CPM 1 Candidate Stand? Visit the Super P.A.C Contribution Log
Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 5605	Posted - 2014.06.04 17:23:00 - [7] - Quote The thing about knives is you need to survive long enough to get next to the person, and be able to be faster than they back pedal. To get next to a person you have to be a ghost. Base movement speed on the minmatar just isn't enough for knives. Base dampening isn't enough. Two lows, the resource cost of knives, shields, and a cloak means you're not fitting a combination of those things to actually be useful as all of those are most resource intensives mods in the. All of these ironically are key to making the Minmatar suit actually useful. Sorry to anyone arguing but kincats and staying damped are a necessary part to make knives work. Minmatar are now really really bad assassins. They're slow, blind, and scanned easily. Also the minmatar has always been the suit that has had to sacrifice a lot to be remotely good at one thing. So before everyone jumps down Demon's throat, the minmatar suit is still far behind all the cal and gal scouts by quite a bit in terms of usefulness. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
pagl1u M Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 866	Posted - 2014.06.04 18:12:00 - [8] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: The thing about knives is you need to survive long enough to get next to the person, and be able to be faster than they back pedal. To get next to a person you have to be a ghost. Base movement speed on the minmatar just isn't enough for knives. Base dampening isn't enough. Two lows, the resource cost of knives, shields, and a cloak means you're not fitting a combination of those things to actually be useful as all of those are the most resource intensives mods in the game. All of these ironically are key to making the Minmatar suit actually useful. Sorry to anyone arguing but kincats and staying damped are a necessary part to make knives work. Minmatar are now really really bad assassins. They're slow, blind, and scanned easily. Also the minmatar has always been the suit that has had to sacrifice a lot to be remotely good at one thing. So before everyone jumps down Demon's throat, the minmatar suit is still far behind all the cal and gal scouts by quite a bit in terms of usefulness. Minmatar loyalist!
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1375	Posted - 2014.06.04 18:28:00 - [9] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: The thing about knives is you need to survive long enough to get next to the person, and be able to be faster than they back pedal. To get next to a person you have to be a ghost. Base movement speed on the minmatar just isn't enough for knives. Base dampening isn't enough. Two lows, the resource cost of knives, shields, and a cloak means you're not fitting a combination of those things to actually be useful as all of those are the most resource intensives mods in the game. All of these ironically are key to making the Minmatar suit actually useful. Sorry to anyone arguing but kincats and staying damped are a necessary part to make knives work. Minmatar are now really really bad assassins. They're slow, blind, and scanned easily. Also the minmatar has always been the suit that has had to sacrifice a lot to be remotely good at one thing. So before everyone jumps down Demon's throat, the minmatar suit is still far behind all the cal and gal scouts by quite a bit in terms of usefulness. ^ This. Competitive Scans GalLogi w/Prototype Scanner (21 dB) CalScout w/2 Cmp Enhancers (18 dB) CalScout w/3 Cmp Enhancers (16 dB) CalScout w/4 Cmp Enhancers (15 dB) GalLogi w/Focused Scanner (15 dB) Minmatar Scout Prototype Cloak (On) + 1 Complex Damp (21 dB) Prototype Cloak (On) + 2 Complex Damp (17 dB) Prototype Cloak (On) + 3 Complex Damp (14 dB) Note: Minmatar Scout can't fit much alongside a Prototype Cloak; see www.protofits.com for details. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Sam Booty C0NFUCIUS 67	Posted - 2014.06.04 18:31:00 - [10] - Quote Demon Buddah wrote: My Minmitar scout is now useless. Can't hide from Caldari scouts, Gallente scouts are still more superior. Thanks guys (sarcasm here in case you idiots can't tell) Stop crying. The game is pretty balanced.

Pvt Numnutz Watchdoge Explosives 1360	Posted - 2014.06.04 18:42:00 - [11] - Quote Dat hack bonus tho
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1693	Posted - 2014.06.04 18:47:00 - [12] - Quote Sorry OP but CCP doesn't care about you or your problems caused by their general lack of skill at making games, but please remember to buy more Aurum and boosters so that you can skill into a Caldari scout. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Toby Flenderson research lab 542	Posted - 2014.06.04 19:01:00 - [13] - Quote Demon Buddah wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: Demon Buddah wrote: My Minmitar scout is now useless. Can't hide from Caldari scouts, Gallente scouts are still more superior. Thanks guys (sarcasm here in case you idiots can't tell) Gal scout has the lowest bonuses of all scouts and is hardly undetectable any more. But out of curiosity what has changed for the minmatar scout? Edit: the question regarding the mini scout is a honest one because I think about speccing into them... With the cloak damp bonus I could put a kincat for speed (since the Minmitar is meant for speed) and a damp without having to worry about getting scanned. While Caldari scouts were still able to scan me in the past, those that only put one precision mod instead of two couldn't see me on scans. NOW all they need is one. I am forced to put two damps (this is on an adv) on my suit making me slower. We're talking about a suit that is supposed to be a speed suit. I take advantage of the Nova Knife bonus on this suit, so speed is something I need. That's what's changed. If it's supposed to be a speed suit, just use it as a speed suit. You don't get to be invisible for free, especially if you didn't pick the suit that is built for stealth.
Demon Buddah Inner.Hell 202	Posted - 2014.06.04 19:32:00 - [14] - Quote Let's explain something a little better for the ignorant players. 3 complex damps: while I can hide from a regular scanner a Caldari scout with 2 (maybe 3) scan precision mods is still going to.see me. Now, since the Minmitar is supposed to be a speed suit it is now going to be destroyed by anything looking at it because it has a max of 345 shields and is now too slow to get away. Kincats: well lol cant fit 3 kincats without giving up something major like heath or a good weapon, none of that is going to.matter because now EVERYTHING can see me. Now for anyone saying I have to choose between speed and stealth, is that not what the scout is suppised to be? Stealthy AND speedy? We have this, but low health (or SUPPOSED to have low health). I chose the scout role because of these two reasons. But now you're going to tell me that I have choose between the two things that make a scout? Now please explain to me how this is balanced?
medomai grey WarRavens Final Resolution. 802	Posted - 2014.06.04 20:41:00 - [15] - Quote Demon Buddah wrote: Now for anyone saying I have to choose between speed and stealth, is that not what the scout is suppised to be? Stealthy AND speedy? We have this, but low health (or SUPPOSED to have low health). I chose the scout role because of these two reasons. But now you're going to tell me that I have choose between the two things that make a scout? Reads your post, checks fitting options. Yep. Choose between stealth or speed. Although your Minmatar scout suit has a good base profile signature and has the fastest base suit speed in game... I'm sorry, what are you whining about again? Medium frame EHP is not medium
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2669	Posted - 2014.06.04 20:43:00 - [16] - Quote Gallente is damp. Caldari is scan. Minmatar is speed and hack. Amarr is stamina and armor. They all do their jobs nicely, but trying to step into another scout's territory will backfire. If you try to damp with a Minmatar suit, you're doing it wrong. Demon is an awesome knifer, and last time I checked, he didn't need cloaks (think it was 1.7 lol)
Klutch Cordova Direct Action Resources 0	Posted - 2014.06.04 21:19:00 - [17] - Quote If you think one scout suit is somehow better, why not play it? I don't understand.
mr musturd 0uter.Heaven 459	Posted - 2014.06.04 21:21:00 - [18] - Quote Klutch Cordova wrote: If you think one scout suit is somehow better, why not play it? I don't understand. Because that knife bonus is for minmitar its now the blind assassin that you can see a mile away
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10458	Posted - 2014.06.04 21:35:00 - [19] - Quote Demon Buddah wrote: My Minmitar scout is now useless. Can't hide from Caldari scouts, Gallente scouts are still more superior. Thanks guys (sarcasm here in case you idiots can't tell) This was always the case....how does Alpha change this? "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
mr musturd 0uter.Heaven 459	Posted - 2014.06.04 21:38:00 - [20] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Demon Buddah wrote: My Minmitar scout is now useless. Can't hide from Caldari scouts, Gallente scouts are still more superior. Thanks guys (sarcasm here in case you idiots can't tell) This was always the case....how does Alpha change this? I haven't played yet but just by the math minmitar will need 3 complex damps and a proto cloak to hide from gal logistics with focused scans and Cal with 2 precision mods.

Eko Sol Strange Playings 450	Posted - 2014.06.04 21:48:00 - [21] - Quote I run Min-Scout. It isn't broken. Not in the least bit. 2x Complex Dampeners and a complex reactive plate, 3x complex shields, adv cloak, compact nanohive, Proto LW. EHP is high, Damp is relatively high, you are still relatively fast. I don't understand the complaint. You can change out a complex shields for an enhanced damage mod like I do on occasion. That is a great build. PSN is "Ekopalm" I play D3, Child of Light, and solo games Also, Proto Trolling until I'm broke...
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10458	Posted - 2014.06.04 21:50:00 - [22] - Quote mr musturd wrote: True Adamance wrote: Demon Buddah wrote: My Minmitar scout is now useless. Can't hide from Caldari scouts, Gallente scouts are still more superior. Thanks guys (sarcasm here in case you idiots can't tell) This was always the case....how does Alpha change this? I haven't played yet but just by the math minmitar will need 3 complex damps and a proto cloak to hide from gal logistics with focused scans and Cal with 2 precision mods. Oh I'm not saying MIn Scouts aren't complete balls compared to the other scouts..... like how the Amarr scout is garbage at being a scout....... Just that Cal and Gal shall always be CCP children while Amarr and Min remain the shunned bastard children. "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
mr musturd 0uter.Heaven 464	Posted - 2014.06.04 22:15:00 - [23] - Quote Eko Sol wrote: I run Min-Scout. It isn't broken. Not in the least bit. 2x Complex Dampeners and a complex reactive plate, 3x complex shields, adv cloak, compact nanohive, Proto LW. EHP is high, Damp is relatively high, you are still relatively fast. I don't understand the complaint. You can change out a complex shields for an enhanced damage mod like I do on occasion. That is a great build. Ya you don't knife do You?
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1390	Posted - 2014.06.04 22:21:00 - [24] - Quote mr musturd wrote: Eko Sol wrote: I run Min-Scout. It isn't broken. Not in the least bit. 2x Complex Dampeners and a complex reactive plate, 3x complex shields, adv cloak, compact nanohive, Proto LW. EHP is high, Damp is relatively high, you are still relatively fast. I don't understand the complaint. You can change out a complex shields for an enhanced damage mod like I do on occasion. That is a great build. Ya you don't knife do You? Don't waste your time with this guy. He's trolled nearly every Scout thread since 1.8. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Demon Buddah Inner.Hell 205	Posted - 2014.06.04 22:42:00 - [25] - Quote medomai grey wrote: Demon Buddah wrote: Now for anyone saying I have to choose between speed and stealth, is that not what the scout is suppised to be? Stealthy AND speedy? We have this, but low health (or SUPPOSED to have low health). I chose the scout role because of these two reasons. But now you're going to tell me that I have choose between the two things that make a scout? Reads your post, checks fitting options. Yep. Choose between stealth or speed. Although your Minmatar scout suit has a good base profile signature and has the fastest base suit speed in game... I'm sorry, what are you whining about again? You obviously don't knife. You need to have both stealth and speed. That is what the Minmitar scout is, the fastest of the stealth class. The Caldar has scans, tank, and somewhat speed I gue ss, Gallente has damp, speed, and tank, Minmitar has speed OR stealth? Why do I have to choose when the others don't. I can't say anything about the Amarr scout cuz I don't use it. But we all know it's junk :( Now, is there anymore people that want to disagree that actually knifes on a regular basis? This is all based on the KNIFING SUIT it has that bonus, and I take advantage of it. With the speed OR stealth bs, it' pretty ****** -_-
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 970	Posted - 2014.06.04 23:00:00 - [26] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Korvin, the dampening bonus from the cloak was reduced. Now you generally need to actually damp to avoid things. Ah now I know where you are coming from.
Velociraptor antirrhopus Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 141	Posted - 2014.06.04 23:02:00 - [27] - Quote Maybe now you know how it felt to be a Minmatar pre-1.8 Edit: I do feel your pain though. I want to become a Minja but if they don't show it some love I never will. What the hell good is it if you can't even fit a Kin Cat or Cardiac? dinosaurs for legion, oh wait i won't be playing it
Demon Buddah Inner.Hell 206	Posted - 2014.06.04 23:06:00 - [28] - Quote Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: Maybe now you know how it felt to be a Minmatar pre-1.8 Edit: I do feel your pain though. I want to become a Minja but if they don't show it some love I never will. What the hell good is it if you can't even fit a Kin Cat or Cardiac? Been Minmitar since 1.4. Believe me, I know...
PARKOUR PRACTIONER The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 1644	Posted - 2014.06.04 23:07:00 - [29] - Quote Too true Demon. Knifing is hard now I either have to Damp OR Speed? At least the Amarr scout is worse. PSN Sil4nt Chaozz Minja Knifer AKA The Chef, Gassassin AKA SharpDresser SCR, SCP, All AR, Charge SR, SG; Quick-Draw
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10461	Posted - 2014.06.04 23:07:00 - [30] - Quote Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: Maybe now you know how it felt to be a Minmatar pre-1.8 Edit: I do feel your pain though. I want to become a Minja but if they don't show it some love I never will. What the hell good is it if you can't even fit a Kin Cat or Cardiac? Or how it feel to be Amarr now. No vehicles 4 weapons all up 2 suits not fitting into their designated roll in favour of making them Assault suit variants. No Vehicles No Tanks No Tanks NOTANKS NOTANKS NOTANKS NOTANKS! "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon

One Eyed King Land of the BIind 1796	Posted - 2014.06.04 23:14:00 - [31] - Quote After playing a few games, I am going nuts. Always showing up on scans, so shotgun scouts can ambush and one shot me. Getting tore up from everywhere. Running out of cloak before I get to an objective to hack. We have absolutely been marginalized. Again. The least they could have done was get rid of the 50 percent cloak min before using it with the reduction in duration. Now is the cloak is a slaying only tool. The REAL Internet King
Eko Sol Strange Playings 450	Posted - 2014.06.04 23:57:00 - [32] - Quote mr musturd wrote: Eko Sol wrote: I run Min-Scout. It isn't broken. Not in the least bit. 2x Complex Dampeners and a complex reactive plate, 3x complex shields, adv cloak, compact nanohive, Proto LW. EHP is high, Damp is relatively high, you are still relatively fast. I don't understand the complaint. You can change out a complex shields for an enhanced damage mod like I do on occasion. That is a great build. Ya you don't knife do You? Sigh, you are like the 4th person to bring this up. Only second on the forums. I guess I have to try NK. To the hater calling me a troll: Look, if you really doubt my skills as a min scout then just message me in game when you want to play and we can run together. No negativity. We'll just roll with into some FW or Skirmishes and you can see where we go and see how I do things. You can find me in Dev Hangout chat and QQKane later. I live in Hawaii so I'm 6 hours behind EST and 3 hours behind PST. So be patient or wait until the weekend. You can also watch me suck at using my ADS. I'm still practicing. I'm in a good place after my couple days break from the game. Don't know how or why I let the game take me to a burnt out place but I did. Now I am feeling pretty great. PSN is "Ekopalm" I play D3, Child of Light, and solo games Also, Proto Trolling until I'm broke...


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