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Ghostt Shadoww wrote:

CCP Logibro wrote:

Tesfa Alem wrote:

I like the dispersion, but i still have the ability to slaughter infantry. An unexpected consequense is that it is is impossible to hit proximity mines even after i've detected them on the road. I'll have to fit a small missile turret just for anti mine work.

AV guys mine the crap out of roads, blasters can't hit them anymore.

Do you still have issues hitting them even when firing a short burst at minimum dispersion?

Just noticed u had a thread...i was upset so wanted to vent. So i posted a thread. should have known u would already have a post....

Logibro....why dont u play the stupid game yourself ...and you tell us what you can kill at 5m to 100m from infantry to a vehicle to an installation....

Check your freaking self

Im not a tech or know games functions like some of you...but seriously you cant play your own game and see what you yourself can hit and not hit...so you yourself can see what you break or fix

Why do you keep asking the community so so much and actually listen to them. Cant you see that some of these people that comment. Are either new or they suck real bad at the game. You know what im trying to say. Isnt this a job for the CPM. To give you real feedback of the game.

Why do you talk to the community and listen to c and d players....wtf ccp....wow man

Play your own game logibro and you tell me if you can hit infantry or even an LAV at 10 meters away....

So ridiclous....i dont get it. Every CCP person has an account...play your own game everyday and stop listening to garbage players and maybe just maybe everyone wont leave in September "Destiny"

I like this game a kot 45 mill sp so much time invested in the game...but the vets are right

All u guys listen to is new bkueberrys that dnt know any better...damn man i was hoping it wasnt true but looking at all thses comments....you should be talkingg to the bad ass tankers of the game that wiol give true honest feedback...not from people that have 5 mill sp and been laying for 2 months...

Freaking ridiculous. ..bye ccp tanks for taking Proto tanks out. Thanks for taking logi cars out. Thanks for taking corp battles out...thanks for changed ng the mcc fight with run with what u brung. Thanks for putting a pilot section so we can stare at it for a year and never get jets or the suit...

CCP just thank you so much for makng such an awseome game and listening to every blue berry every patch and taking everything great about this game out...you guys are Awesome!!

PS....bringing back Haji jeeps making us ex military men heart jump and multiple flashbacks come to mind...that was the best idea you ever had. I love playing a game where they train terrorists..Evil men that ibwas trained to wipe off this earth

Ccp you guys rock.....

Destiny comes in Spetember....yyyeeeeaaaahhhhhhh a real company

Sorry for the disrespect namng another game...but im beyond disappointed with you people. 2 years waisted....what ever

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Tesfa Alem ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 138	Posted - 2014.06.07 20:23:00 - [31] - Quote Atiim wrote: Tesfa Alem wrote: AV guys mine the crap out of roads, blasters can't hit them anymore. Which is good. Before, they were a joke because you could easily see them coming and destroy them with ease; which made them practically useless for area denial (the only thing they can be used for). Now, they actually have the ability to deny a HAV Pilot access to an area. But if they're that much of a problem, jump out in use a Flux Grenade. It only takes 1-2s to do so anyways. I disagree with you on the point that every things needs a counter. In my tanking experience they only way to catch mines before you hit them is go slow and visually (audibly) scan the road (tough to do in combat) or to use a active vehicle scanner. The scanner is not practical on a shield tank so its only right that you have an audible warning as well. Usually the audio warning is too late, the beeping sound merely an intro to my exploding hull. These days, my biggest clue that the road ahead is mined is looking at a logi standing right by the road, or a known bottleneck and trying to bait me with a light weapon. So if i do manage to stop in time (tanks don't stop on a dime) and catch the mines, well its stationary equipment so of course it will be easy to destroy them. Just like if the infantry sees a red remote explosive, its not difficult to destroy them after they've been detected at all. And finally, the goldern rule of tanking is NEVER LEAVE YOUR TANK. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me. CPM1 Candidate
Sir Dukey SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 996	Posted - 2014.06.08 03:34:00 - [32] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Tesfa Alem wrote: I like the dispersion, but i still have the ability to slaughter infantry. An unexpected consequense is that it is is impossible to hit proximity mines even after i've detected them on the road. I'll have to fit a small missile turret just for anti mine work. AV guys mine the crap out of roads, blasters can't hit them anymore. Do you still have issues hitting them even when firing a short burst at minimum dispersion? yes.. shooting even one round it's off, it takes like 15 single shots to blow up one mine.
Sir Dukey SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 996	Posted - 2014.06.08 03:37:00 - [33] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: After reading all the feedback (thanks guys!) I think it's sitting pretty well. However, I am looking at playing with increasing the dispersion decay (the rate at which accuracy recovers) slightly to give a small boost in midrange combat against vehicles and suppression. This would help people that pulse their fire more as they would more quickly recover accuracy, without helping people that just hold the trigger. This change wouldn't affect the maximum or minimum dispersion or the rate at which it grows when firing. Also hoping the improvements to small blasters in Bravo will help vehicles have some effective anti-infantry power. can we make it like chromosome? It's kind of ridiculous right now. killing a heavy at thirty meters requires like two 60-70 rounds.
Tesfa Alem ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 140	Posted - 2014.06.08 09:07:00 - [34] - Quote Yesterday i mentioned not hitting proximity mines, last night i didn't encounter any but I managed to kill uplinks with my blaster cannon. Just have to tap the R1 ever so quickly. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me. CPM1 Candidate
Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone Psychotic Alliance 1277	Posted - 2014.06.09 03:25:00 - [35] - Quote Make small blasters wreck any infantry within 60m, and buff hardeners up, and vehicles will be in a good place. It should take 2-3 infantry to kill my tank. But it should take 2-3 people, in the form of small turrwts., for me to reliably kill infantry. That's what you get!! - DA Rick
Sound vvave Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 1	Posted - 2014.06.09 04:10:00 - [36] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Make small blasters wreck any infantry within 60m, and buff hardeners up, and vehicles will be in a good place. It should take 2-3 infantry to kill my tank. But it should take 2-3 people, in the form of small turrets., for me to reliably kill infantry. so essentially you're saying having 8 mill sp into blasters and maddy tank isn't enough you also gotta have 2 extra ppl to kill ppl reliably i kind of find it ridiculous how my bk assault combat rifle has more range than my 80 gj cannon even with ion good luck killing a proto av or forge from more than 30 meters specially if they on a building or cover max rang on blaster is 50 m max and thats like u can get 6-8 shots out without dispersion really coming into play after that good luck its easier at that point to hop out with my bk and start shooting them since dispersion makes it no longer possible to hit them and me just sitting there waiting for my heat to go down maxes a still easy target. i realise being able to shoot from 122 meters away with 25% efficiency was very bad but i would have rather had my opt range be 50 meters and then max like 60-75 with a very fast falloff cause atm if theres even a mlt swarmer 70 meters from your tank after 2-4 shots dispersion makes it impossible to hit them also once u reach half heat anything over 30 u can hit with 3/4 (or 1/3) anything over 10-15 good luck. next time u play count how many matches (skirm/dom) you can go without seeing a PROTO ion cannon tank there just not viable to run anymore theres so many buildings where u cant hit av cause they're too far away and once u shot those few shots dispersion messes you up and u gotta run away it's impossible to really proto blaster tank solo u almost always always need help from your squad to get rid of av specially if they're in a proto comando or sentinel (which is common for av) but honestly i really understand that the previous cannon was way unfair like wayyyy unfair it was way too good and had way good opt range but dispersion has really messed up on the way u can use it solo cause i mean if u go up against scrubs yeah sure u can get 20-40 kills per match depending on map but if theres 1 exped av player they know where to sit and where the tank can't get many shots in because of dispersion. also blasters vs other tanks is a lot worse know cause u cant do sustained fire unless there 30 meters away and closer specially if ur in the 1/2 heat left range or ull miss a few shots and u gotta keep em dead center which sucks cause u can no longer aim the the critical spots on tanks which makes ttk a lot higher, and also makes it easier for rail tanks to kill you. but yeah in the end anything past 50 meters on the ion cannon you got maybe 6-8 shots before u cant hit em and i mean 50 meters if u look ain't very far to not be accurately (50% of your shots) hitting things i honestly believed that it would have been way better to have nerfed opt range max range and maybe even reduced damage depending on heat built up (not gonna get into numbers) also tapping the trigger doesn't help since its heat build up also only shooting when ur dead on them does help however not by much but yeah just my thoughts. R.I.P the ion cannon
Glyd Path Nec Tributis 115	Posted - 2014.06.09 12:40:00 - [37] - Quote Yep, you ruined another weapon futz brains. Is that what you wanted to hear? Cause you did. The larger blaster already fired rounds all over the place, if you were looking from the turret view the rounds were barely accurate. Now it is nearly impossible to kill your current love child the scout. Hated by all except well scouts and ccp. A basic or militia blaster is a complete waste of a fit. Throw them away, they are pure junk as they cannot kill most advanced suits and a prototype will only fall if they stop to tie their non-existent shoes. Congratulations. I logged in to check out their nerf and haven't been back. Good Job! Nobody at CCP cares because we ain't Legionnaires.
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1102	Posted - 2014.06.09 14:00:00 - [38] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: After reading all the feedback (thanks guys!) I think it's sitting pretty well. However, I am looking at playing with increasing the dispersion decay (the rate at which accuracy recovers) slightly to give a small boost in midrange combat against vehicles and suppression. This would help people that pulse their fire more as they would more quickly recover accuracy, without helping people that just hold the trigger. This change wouldn't affect the maximum or minimum dispersion or the rate at which it grows when firing. Also hoping the improvements to small blasters in Bravo will help vehicles have some effective anti-infantry power. Great point, Logibro. My general feedback is that the large blaster changes are definitely for the better from the infantry perspective. I'm not a tanker so I'll qualify my next comment with that...i ran a couple cheap fit blaster Maddy's just to try it out and it seems to me that you guys hit the sweet spot on large turrets remaining very effective against "large" targets. To your comment on small turrets...I think buffing small blasters specifically by in creasing their optimal range to roughly Scram / CR distance and tightening the dispersion a little bit would definitely increase the attractiveness of small blaster turret usage on ground vehicles (and possibly DS). Conceptually the small blaster turret should fill the role of the "heavy machine gun" so it's an excellent choice for anti-infantry protection in a tank. "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
Ryme Intrinseca The Rainbow Effect 1329	Posted - 2014.06.09 14:41:00 - [39] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Hey guys In Hotfix Alpha we increased the dispersion of the Large Blaster turret (in other words, we actually gave it dispersion). I'm looking for feedback on how you feel about it in it's current state: is it too accurate; is it too inaccurate at short range; does it not get inaccurate fast enough. So please leave your thoughts only on the dispersion changes. Other feedback should go in a different thread. I like the changes. Reduces the 'WTF was that?' factor of getting killed by a blaster tank at long range while retaining the effectiveness at closer ranges.
Slim Winning Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 107	Posted - 2014.06.09 18:35:00 - [40] - Quote As a blaster user, I think this change is terrible... because Im not used to it yet. I'll have to adapt, which Im okay with. So far, as an infantry player, I've had multiple blasters shooting at me at once, and was able to dodge, evade, and escape. They are so inaccurate its laughable. But the blaster is no longer the "easy-mode" AI weapon. Which this game very much needed. I like the changes.

Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1551	Posted - 2014.06.09 18:44:00 - [41] - Quote Slim Winning wrote: So far, as an infantry player, I've had multiple blasters shooting at me at once, and was able to dodge, evade, and escape. They are so inaccurate its laughable. Sometimes I miss the Academy. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Brotherband REMNANT ENFORCERS 1	Posted - 2014.06.09 18:55:00 - [42] - Quote Love the dispersion I would just like a targeting circle that accurately displays the accuracy of the weapon.

CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 8022	Posted - 2014.06.10 12:14:00 - [43] - Quote Brotherband wrote: Love the dispersion I would just like a targeting circle that accurately displays the accuracy of the weapon. Changing the reticule is on my to do list. CCP Logibro // Patron Saint of Logistics // Distributor of Nanites (a¦á_a¦á)

Aeon Amadi Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6030	Posted - 2014.06.10 16:38:00 - [44] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Brotherband wrote: Love the dispersion I would just like a targeting circle that accurately displays the accuracy of the weapon. Changing the reticule is on my to do list. Mind changing the Plasma Cannon's to something useful while you're at it? O.o Useful Links Aeon Amadi for CPM1
Stile451 Red Star. EoN. 343	Posted - 2014.06.10 21:22:00 - [45] - Quote Have you thought about swapping the dispersion ends(gets more accurate the longer you're shooting similar to the HMG)? I'm not sure of the effect this would have as an anti-vehicle weapon but it would prevent infantry from dancing in front of a tank for prolonged periods.
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1105	Posted - 2014.06.11 01:23:00 - [46] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Brotherband wrote: Love the dispersion I would just like a targeting circle that accurately displays the accuracy of the weapon. Changing the reticule is on my to do list. Would you be able to change the small turret reticules as well...like actually have a reticule instead of just a dot? "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
Kratek Heshan United Colonial Empire Army Freek Alliance 59	Posted - 2014.06.11 05:14:00 - [47] - Quote the blaster user are easy to kill now on missile and rail thanks ccp :)
Godin Thekiller shadows of 514 2572	Posted - 2014.06.11 07:36:00 - [48] - Quote Kratek Heshan wrote: the blaster user are easy to kill now on missile and rail thanks ccp :) This post makes no sense: A blaster HAV has since 1.7 been easy to kill by a HAV with a rail or a missile turret. What are you talking about? click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2321	Posted - 2014.06.11 15:12:00 - [49] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Hey guys In Hotfix Alpha we increased the dispersion of the Large Blaster turret (in other words, we actually gave it dispersion). I'm looking for feedback on how you feel about it in it's current state: is it too accurate; is it too inaccurate at short range; does it not get inaccurate fast enough. So please leave your thoughts only on the dispersion changes. Other feedback should go in a different thread. I'm curious as to the intended niche/role of the blaster. It impacts how proper balance should look in fundamental ways depending on the "as intended" purpose blasters should serve. Cheers, Cross Cross Atu for CPM1- An emergent candidate
Ghostt Shadoww Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 75	Posted - 2014.06.11 15:27:00 - [50] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Tesfa Alem wrote: I like the dispersion, but i still have the ability to slaughter infantry. An unexpected consequense is that it is is impossible to hit proximity mines even after i've detected them on the road. I'll have to fit a small missile turret just for anti mine work. AV guys mine the crap out of roads, blasters can't hit them anymore. Do you still have issues hitting them even when firing a short burst at minimum dispersion? Just noticed u had a thread...i was uoset so wanted to vent..shoiod have known u would already have a post.... Logibro....why dont u play the stupid game yourself ...and you tell us what you can kill at 5m to 100m from infantry to a vehicle to an installation.... Check your freaking self Im not a tech or know games functions like some of you...but seriously you cant play your own game and see what you yourself can hit and not hit...so you yourself can see what you break or fix Why do you keep asking the community so so much and actually listen to them. Cant you see that some of these people that comment. Are either new or they suck real bad at the game. You know what im trying to say. Isnt this a job for the CPM. To give you real feedback of the game. Why do you talk to the community and listen to c and d players....wtf ccp....wow man Play your own game logibro and you tell me if you can hit infantry or even an LAV at 10 meters away.... So ridiclous....i dont get it. Every CCP person has an account...play your own game everyday and stop listening to garbage players and maybe just maybe everyone wont leave in September "Destiny" I like this game a kot 45 mill sp so much time invested in the game...but the vets are right All u guys listen to is new bkueberrys that dnt know any better...damn man i was hoping it wasnt true but looking at all thses comments....you should be talkingg to the bad ass tankers of the game that wiol give true honest feedback...not from people that have 5 mill sp and been laying for 2 months... Freaking ridiculous. ..bye ccp tanks for taking Proto tanks out. Thanks for taking logi cars out. Thanks for taking corp battles out...thanks for changed ng the mcc fight with run with what u brung. Thanks for putting a pilot section so we can stare at it for a year and never get jets or the suit... CCP just thank you so much for makng such an awseome game and listening to every blue berry every patch and taking everything great about this game out...you guys are Awesome!! PS....bringing back Haji jeeps making us ex military men heart jump and multiple flashbacks come to mind...that was the best idea you ever had. I love playing a game where they train terrorists..Evil men that ibwas trained to wipe off this earth Ccp you guys rock..... Destiny comes in Spetember....yyyeeeeaaaahhhhhhh a real company Sorry for the disrespect namng another game...but im beyond disappointed with you people. 2 years waisted....what ever Something Awful is going on around here. Hehe

Mobius Wyvern Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 5293	Posted - 2014.06.11 16:53:00 - [51] - Quote Evolution-7 wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Evolution-7 wrote: hotfix alpha is out? Yes. No small turret changes, we had to push them back as we didn't feel we could do them properly in the time we had. Expect to see the thread come back later this week or next week. Thank you, also are you aware of the problem with small missiles on dropships, in which shooting forward as a gunner and having the dropship strafe forward causes the missile to sometimes detonate on the side of the dropship causing the gunner to be killed, this was only a problem since 1.8, was fine before that. The missile always has impacted the dropship sometimes, but it never killed the gunner pre 1.8. Then bam, 1.8, not sure why this became a problem. Pre 1.8: http://youtu.be/4opd_L8EoO0?t=3m22s After 1.8: http://youtu.be/zEPJX3k_WG0?t=1m46s I have put these to the correct points in the video for you to easily see the issue. Yes, this would make it a lot easier to work with gunners in my Dropship.
Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp Covert Intervention 544	Posted - 2014.06.11 17:31:00 - [52] - Quote Ghostt Shadoww wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Tesfa Alem wrote: I like the dispersion, but i still have the ability to slaughter infantry. An unexpected consequense is that it is is impossible to hit proximity mines even after i've detected them on the road. I'll have to fit a small missile turret just for anti mine work. AV guys mine the crap out of roads, blasters can't hit them anymore. Do you still have issues hitting them even when firing a short burst at minimum dispersion? Just noticed u had a thread...i was upset so wanted to vent. So i posted a thread. should have known u would already have a post.... Logibro....why dont u play the stupid game yourself ...and you tell us what you can kill at 5m to 100m from infantry to a vehicle to an installation.... Check your freaking self Im not a tech or know games functions like some of you...but seriously you cant play your own game and see what you yourself can hit and not hit...so you yourself can see what you break or fix Why do you keep asking the community so so much and actually listen to them. Cant you see that some of these people that comment. Are either new or they suck real bad at the game. You know what im trying to say. Isnt this a job for the CPM. To give you real feedback of the game. Why do you talk to the community and listen to c and d players....wtf ccp....wow man Play your own game logibro and you tell me if you can hit infantry or even an LAV at 10 meters away.... So ridiclous....i dont get it. Every CCP person has an account...play your own game everyday and stop listening to garbage players and maybe just maybe everyone wont leave in September "Destiny" I like this game a kot 45 mill sp so much time invested in the game...but the vets are right All u guys listen to is new bkueberrys that dnt know any better...damn man i was hoping it wasnt true but looking at all thses comments....you should be talkingg to the bad ass tankers of the game that wiol give true honest feedback...not from people that have 5 mill sp and been laying for 2 months... Freaking ridiculous. ..bye ccp tanks for taking Proto tanks out. Thanks for taking logi cars out. Thanks for taking corp battles out...thanks for changed ng the mcc fight with run with what u brung. Thanks for putting a pilot section so we can stare at it for a year and never get jets or the suit... CCP just thank you so much for makng such an awseome game and listening to every blue berry every patch and taking everything great about this game out...you guys are Awesome!! PS....bringing back Haji jeeps making us ex military men heart jump and multiple flashbacks come to mind...that was the best idea you ever had. I love playing a game where they train terrorists..Evil men that ibwas trained to wipe off this earth Ccp you guys rock..... Destiny comes in Spetember....yyyeeeeaaaahhhhhhh a real company Sorry for the disrespect namng another game...but im beyond disappointed with you people. 2 years waisted....what ever Lol, Jihad jeeps are great. But seriously, if you leave after doing nothing but spam tanks, I won't miss you. -Sincerely --The Dual Swarm Commando
jaksol JAK darnson Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 17	Posted - 2014.06.11 19:46:00 - [53] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Hey guys In Hotfix Alpha we increased the dispersion of the Large Blaster turret (in other words, we actually gave it dispersion). I'm looking for feedback on how you feel about it in it's current state: is it too accurate; is it too inaccurate at short range; does it not get inaccurate fast enough. So please leave your thoughts only on the dispersion changes. Other feedback should go in a different thread. ITS WAY TO INACURITE! lol sorry for yelling but when i see a guy not moving 25 metrs from me and i start shoting at him and it has the shots going evrywer but were i want them? maby make the dispertion cone eather slightly less dramatic or leangthen it so the dispersion effect is more noticable at 40 meters then the 7% hits at 30 (what if feltlike to me!) should be about 40% at 30 and 15% at 40-45 100% at 10 75% at 20 45-30% at 30 12% at 40 5% at 50 1% at 55 and beyond "Sacrifice is a choice you make. Loss is a choice made for you."


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