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The dark cloud
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2014.06.02 01:21:00 -
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The plasma cannon will soon become extremely powerfull in combination with Lai dai packed av grenades after the patch drops. A proto plasma cannon will deal 1502 damage and lai dai packed av grenades will do 1586HP damage each (3172,5 when both nades hit). So the light AV weapon will outperform assault forgeguns with a single hit but not on the DPS side. And the av grenades will pack a heafty punch too. Combine that with a cloaked scout and you will deal massive ammount of damage very quickly. And if you hit the weakspot with the plasma cannon the damage goes trough the roof.
In regards of how to use it then i would do this: -sneak up and fire the plasma cannon in the tanks bum (bonus damage and shields getting stripped) -stay close to the tank and throw your av grenades (no shields= more damage on armor which is +20%)
so without the weakspot hit a plasma cannon with proficency V will deal 1877,5HP without damage mods against shields. the av grenades are going to deal 1903 damage and when both hits that is going to be 3806. So the max damage without the weakspot would be 5683. That is quite alot of damage dealt very quickly. And to be honest im getting a bit jealous at the guys who specced into plasma cannons. |
Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
4333
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Posted - 2014.06.02 01:26:00 -
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And I'm feeling bad for anyone who spec'd tanks.
But this is ass backwards Dust land where tanks can't won't be able to hit infantry and infantry can **** on tanks, so whatever.
Makes no sense, but this game is balanced by tears not logic. |
Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
9028
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Posted - 2014.06.02 01:43:00 -
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A Weapon with a firing ARC, 1 round clip, slow travel time, a theoretical effective range of ~50m, and slow reload speed should be [relatively] stronger (in terms of direct damage) than a weapon with a 4 round chamber, incredibly fast travel time, 300m range, and [relatively] high RoF.
This will balance itself out due to the fact that this is all restricted to CQC, which can spell certain death if your aren't careful or manage to run into a seasoned HAV pilot.
Pilots aren't known around these parts for there compentence, but I would feel utterly ashamed of myself if I cried about a Plasma Cannon. I think that's the part when you tap triangle and hit "Uninstall".
PS: Weapon strength needs not be based on Sidearm > Light > Heavy.
HvLP Spreadsheet Warrior
Why Do Slayers Get All The Credit? :(
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
9028
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Posted - 2014.06.02 01:45:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:And I'm feeling bad for anyone who spec'd tanks.
But this is ass backwards Dust land where tanks can't won't be able to hit infantry and infantry can **** on tanks, so whatever.
Makes no sense, but this game is balanced by tears not logic. And this is what I like to call a "fail post".
Unless someone's running a Speed Tanked Matari suit, a Tanker will be able to hit infantry just as easily as before (which was indeed easy).
It's a good thing I speced into PLCs and Swarms.
HvLP Spreadsheet Warrior
Why Do Slayers Get All The Credit? :(
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LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
2602
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Posted - 2014.06.02 01:48:00 -
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Imagine if they gave the PLC the same splash radius as a Boundless AMD with a decrease of 1 second to reloading times...
Best area denial weapon/shotgun ever. CCP, make it happen. I want to see at least one genuine, "PLC IS OP!" thread before this game dies. |
Meisterjager Jagermeister
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
186
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Posted - 2014.06.02 01:49:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:-sneak up and fire the plasma cannon in the tanks bum (bonus damage and shields getting stripped) . Makes me want to play Valkyria Chronicles again
AKA - StarVenger
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Assault Swarm Launcher
Caldari State
106
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Posted - 2014.06.02 01:49:00 -
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Yay! Plasma Cannon's finally going to be viable.
She's gonna be so happy on Wednesday!
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THE-PIMP-NAMED-SLICKBACK
Intrepidus XI EoN.
142
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Posted - 2014.06.02 01:58:00 -
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Mmm can you all taste the tears?
My alloteck plasma cannon hasn't tasted the tears of a tanker in a while, but soon i'll be poping those mofos for 1700+ damage.
Planetside 2
November 20
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Thurak1
Psygod9
769
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Posted - 2014.06.02 02:03:00 -
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Atiim wrote:A Weapon with a firing ARC, 1 round clip, slow travel time, a theoretical effective range of ~50m, and slow reload speed should be [relatively] stronger (in terms of direct damage) than a weapon with a 4 round chamber, incredibly fast travel time, 300m range, and [relatively] high RoF.
This will balance itself out due to the fact that this is all restricted to CQC, which can spell certain death if your aren't careful or manage to run into a seasoned HAV pilot.
Pilots aren't known around these parts for there compentence, but I would feel utterly ashamed of myself if I cried about a Plasma Cannon. I think that's the part when you tap triangle and hit "Uninstall".
PS: Weapon strength needs not be based on Sidearm > Light > Heavy. High ROF forge gun? where is this mythical beast you speak of? |
THE-PIMP-NAMED-SLICKBACK
Intrepidus XI EoN.
142
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Posted - 2014.06.02 02:12:00 -
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Thurak1 wrote:Atiim wrote:A Weapon with a firing ARC, 1 round clip, slow travel time, a theoretical effective range of ~50m, and slow reload speed should be [relatively] stronger (in terms of direct damage) than a weapon with a 4 round chamber, incredibly fast travel time, 300m range, and [relatively] high RoF.
This will balance itself out due to the fact that this is all restricted to CQC, which can spell certain death if your aren't careful or manage to run into a seasoned HAV pilot.
Pilots aren't known around these parts for there compentence, but I would feel utterly ashamed of myself if I cried about a Plasma Cannon. I think that's the part when you tap triangle and hit "Uninstall".
PS: Weapon strength needs not be based on Sidearm > Light > Heavy. High ROF forge gun? where is this mythical beast you speak of?
He was talking in comparison to other AV weapons, i'm pretty sure anyway.
Planetside 2
November 20
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JUDASisMYhomeboy III
xCosmic Voidx Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
48
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Posted - 2014.06.02 02:16:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:The plasma cannon will soon become extremely powerfull in combination with Lai dai packed av grenades after the patch drops. A proto plasma cannon will deal 1502 damage and lai dai packed av grenades will do 1586HP damage each (3172,5 when both nades hit). So the light AV weapon will outperform assault forgeguns with a single hit but not on the DPS side. And the av grenades will pack a heafty punch too. Combine that with a cloaked scout and you will deal massive ammount of damage very quickly. And if you hit the weakspot with the plasma cannon the damage goes trough the roof.
In regards of how to use it then i would do this: -sneak up and fire the plasma cannon in the tanks bum (bonus damage and shields getting stripped) -stay close to the tank and throw your av grenades (no shields= more damage on armor which is +20%)
so without the weakspot hit a plasma cannon with proficency V will deal 1877,5HP without damage mods against shields. the av grenades are going to deal 1903 damage and when both hits that is going to be 3806. So the max damage without the weakspot would be 5683. That is quite alot of damage dealt very quickly. And to be honest im getting a bit jealous at the guys who specced into plasma cannons. Maybe if the hit detection bugs are worked out too. Not always easy to hit tanks and downright frustrating trying to hit dropships. PLC just needed a slightly faster rof. The damage profile change hurt it as well
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Zirzo Valcyn
Gunners Acadamy
540
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Posted - 2014.06.02 02:27:00 -
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i'm a dropship pilot and i support the PLC buff, PLC hot droppers inbound.
u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll.
forum warrior .189
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Scheneighnay McBob
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
5130
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Posted - 2014.06.02 02:56:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:And I'm feeling bad for anyone who spec'd tanks.
But this is ass backwards Dust land where tanks can't won't be able to hit infantry and infantry can **** on tanks, so whatever.
Makes no sense, but this game is balanced by tears not logic. Honestly, the maps aren't right for infantry-vehicle balance, and they almost certainly never will be for Dust.
May as well make due with what we have, rather than balancing for the future.
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Alldin Kan
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1094
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Posted - 2014.06.02 02:57:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:The plasma cannon will soon become extremely powerfull in combination with Lai dai packed av grenades after the patch drops. A proto plasma cannon will deal 1502 damage and lai dai packed av grenades will do 1586HP damage each (3172,5 when both nades hit). So the light AV weapon will outperform assault forgeguns with a single hit but not on the DPS side. And the av grenades will pack a heafty punch too. Combine that with a cloaked scout and you will deal massive ammount of damage very quickly. And if you hit the weakspot with the plasma cannon the damage goes trough the roof.
In regards of how to use it then i would do this: -sneak up and fire the plasma cannon in the tanks bum (bonus damage and shields getting stripped) -stay close to the tank and throw your av grenades (no shields= more damage on armor which is +20%)
so without the weakspot hit a plasma cannon with proficency V will deal 1877,5HP without damage mods against shields. the av grenades are going to deal 1903 damage and when both hits that is going to be 3806. So the max damage without the weakspot would be 5683. That is quite alot of damage dealt very quickly. And to be honest im getting a bit jealous at the guys who specced into plasma cannons. It's still ****, my PRO flux is better.
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The dark cloud
The Rainbow Effect
3179
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Posted - 2014.06.02 02:57:00 -
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JUDASisMYhomeboy III wrote:The dark cloud wrote:The plasma cannon will soon become extremely powerfull in combination with Lai dai packed av grenades after the patch drops. A proto plasma cannon will deal 1502 damage and lai dai packed av grenades will do 1586HP damage each (3172,5 when both nades hit). So the light AV weapon will outperform assault forgeguns with a single hit but not on the DPS side. And the av grenades will pack a heafty punch too. Combine that with a cloaked scout and you will deal massive ammount of damage very quickly. And if you hit the weakspot with the plasma cannon the damage goes trough the roof.
In regards of how to use it then i would do this: -sneak up and fire the plasma cannon in the tanks bum (bonus damage and shields getting stripped) -stay close to the tank and throw your av grenades (no shields= more damage on armor which is +20%)
so without the weakspot hit a plasma cannon with proficency V will deal 1877,5HP without damage mods against shields. the av grenades are going to deal 1903 damage and when both hits that is going to be 3806. So the max damage without the weakspot would be 5683. That is quite alot of damage dealt very quickly. And to be honest im getting a bit jealous at the guys who specced into plasma cannons. Maybe if the hit detection bugs are worked out too. Not always easy to hit tanks and downright frustrating trying to hit dropships. PLC just needed a slightly faster rof. The damage profile change hurt it as well the tactic that i suggest is for scouts. And because of the short range of the av nades it doesnt matter. If you miss a tank from 10m distance with a PLC then you should stop playing the game. |
I-Shayz-I
I-----I
3555
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Posted - 2014.06.02 03:37:00 -
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Your argument would be sound... ...if the PLC had twice the projectile speed that it does now (i.e. similar to a rocket/RPG launcher in any other game)
Considering that 80% of the tankers out there (aside from mlt vehicles) are armor based, the damage increase shouldn't really affect tanks as much besides maybe scaring them away easier (sadly)
What we all need to realize is that because blaster tanks will no longer be able to SNIPE across the map with their BLASTER (due to the dispersion increase), tankers will be flooding the forums complaining about AV (specifically the PLC and AV nade buff). Dispersion prevents blaster tanks from killing AV targets easily from medium-long ranges, which is proper balance.
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JUDASisMYhomeboy III
xCosmic Voidx Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
48
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Posted - 2014.06.02 04:08:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:Your argument would be sound... ...if the PLC had twice the projectile speed that it does now (i.e. similar to a rocket/RPG launcher in any other game)
Considering that 80% of the tankers out there (aside from mlt vehicles) are armor based, the damage increase shouldn't really affect tanks as much besides maybe scaring them away easier (sadly)
What we all need to realize is that because blaster tanks will no longer be able to SNIPE across the map with their BLASTER (due to the dispersion increase), tankers will be flooding the forums complaining about AV (specifically the PLC and AV nade buff). Dispersion prevents blaster tanks from killing AV targets easily from medium-long ranges, which is proper balance. Totally agree. Im not a scout but in my experience tanks usually dont let you walk up to them with a plc. The tactic sounds good in theory but the OP is talking proto av nades with a proto plc which I imagine would have to be fit on proto scout. A lot of isk and sp for a suicide fitting
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
4336
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Posted - 2014.06.02 04:14:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:And I'm feeling bad for anyone who spec'd tanks.
But this is ass backwards Dust land where tanks can't won't be able to hit infantry and infantry can **** on tanks, so whatever.
Makes no sense, but this game is balanced by tears not logic. And this is what I like to call a "fail post". Unless someone's running a Speed Tanked Matari suit, a Tanker will be able to hit infantry just as easily as before (which was indeed easy). It's a good thing I speced into PLCs and Swarms.
Blaster accuracy got nerfed. |
The dark cloud
The Rainbow Effect
3180
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Posted - 2014.06.02 04:33:00 -
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JUDASisMYhomeboy III wrote:I-Shayz-I wrote:Your argument would be sound... ...if the PLC had twice the projectile speed that it does now (i.e. similar to a rocket/RPG launcher in any other game)
Considering that 80% of the tankers out there (aside from mlt vehicles) are armor based, the damage increase shouldn't really affect tanks as much besides maybe scaring them away easier (sadly)
What we all need to realize is that because blaster tanks will no longer be able to SNIPE across the map with their BLASTER (due to the dispersion increase), tankers will be flooding the forums complaining about AV (specifically the PLC and AV nade buff). Dispersion prevents blaster tanks from killing AV targets easily from medium-long ranges, which is proper balance. Totally agree. Im not a scout but in my experience tanks usually dont let you walk up to them with a plc. The tactic sounds good in theory but the OP is talking proto av nades with a proto plc which I imagine would have to be fit on proto scout. A lot of isk and sp for a suicide fitting Dunno what you are doing but im not a suicidal monkey that stands out in the open. I only engage when i have a chance to survive. |
True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
10381
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Posted - 2014.06.02 04:55:00 -
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Meisterjager Jagermeister wrote:The dark cloud wrote:-sneak up and fire the plasma cannon in the tanks bum (bonus damage and shields getting stripped) . Makes me want to play Valkyria Chronicles again
Same
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
3235
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Posted - 2014.06.02 05:08:00 -
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*Tank gets hit, turns on afterburner* only stupid tankers like me will die to such tactics.
Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact The East India Co.
4056
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Posted - 2014.06.02 05:57:00 -
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And they called me crazy when i bought 135,000 plasma cannons....
http://i.imgur.com/BnWJV3R.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdvUR67nZs0
Do you even Plasma Cannon Bro?
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
4788
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Posted - 2014.06.02 08:33:00 -
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Meh, setting off REs with a PlaC is still more efficient.
RIP Stinky Sleeve.
RIP Dust514.
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Lorhak Gannarsein
Legio DXIV
3334
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Posted - 2014.06.02 08:58:00 -
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I'm actually really worried about this; the possibility of having a Breach variant quite honestly terrifies me. I really need to start investing in armour skills; this is going to make Gunnlogi piloting untenable in pubs; I can outmanoeuvre swarms, but the only defense against a PlaCon will be staying away from everything that looks like it might vomit shield-destroying projectiles of doom.
None of which is to say I disagree with the PLC buff; it's a good thing. But the Gunnlogi is pretty marginalised at the moment (in pubs, especially, and I hear the 3x rep Madrugar is actually pretty viable in PC) and this isn't helping. I guess I'll need to practice tanking more instead of working on my gungame...
Gonna be interesting, that's for sure.
You're still crazy.
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Happy Violentime
OMFGZOMBIESRUN
647
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Posted - 2014.06.02 09:25:00 -
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Still playing Cloud? Hope you're enjoying that CCP ****? |
Racro 01 Arifistan
501st Knights of Leanbox
349
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Posted - 2014.06.02 10:22:00 -
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Atiim wrote:A Weapon with a firing ARC, 1 round clip, slow travel time, a theoretical effective range of ~50m, and slow reload speed should be [relatively] stronger (in terms of direct damage) than a weapon with a 4 round chamber, incredibly fast travel time, 300m range, and [relatively] high RoF.
This will balance itself out due to the fact that this is all restricted to CQC, which can spell certain death if your aren't careful or manage to run into a seasoned HAV pilot.
Pilots aren't known around these parts for there compentence, but I would feel utterly ashamed of myself if I cried about a Plasma Cannon. I think that's the part when you tap triangle and hit "Uninstall".
PS: Weapon strength needs not be based on Sidearm > Light > Heavy.
this is why I like how when the plasma cannon gets buffed. all these lolmillit tank drivers will hopefully quit.
and people like us skilled tankers can happaley do our jobs while having even more and new invetive ways of surviving a new onslaught of av wepaons that will be in more use.
good thing is. I have both proto swarms and plasma cannon. and if those fail.....well I have too large of an assortment of tanks to choose from to use.
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Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
1466
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Posted - 2014.06.02 11:08:00 -
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I wouldnt get too excited about the buff, atleast when it comes to fighting tanks. the projectile still has low travel speed and trajectory drop coupled with a weapon that has a long reload time addittionally to a 1 sec animation delay after firing it. |
Izlare Lenix
Last VenDetta. Dark Taboo
633
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Posted - 2014.06.02 11:32:00 -
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The plasma cannon has been the worst weapon in the game.
And now it is finally getting a buff to make it less useless people are actually complaining about it?
I can't wait to read the soon to come "Plasma Cannons are OP" threads.
Gun control is not about guns...it's about control.
The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
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Cavani1EE7
The Rainbow Effect
51
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Posted - 2014.06.02 11:32:00 -
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Why do you even care dc? lol
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Firbolg Barun
Dust2Dust.
47
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Posted - 2014.06.02 12:23:00 -
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Irrelevant game is irrelevant. |
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