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Clone D 395	Posted - 2014.06.01 12:57:00 - [1] - Quote Any time there are changes to the game, it is only fair to provide the players a full respec. When offensive and defensive attributes change, it may potentially alter how a player wishes to build a character. Not providing a respec leaves people playing catch up for the next many moons. .
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 13883	Posted - 2014.06.01 13:03:00 - [2] - Quote No. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Cross Atu for CPM1
Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1795	Posted - 2014.06.01 13:12:00 - [3] - Quote What? No. You must stick with your choices. FOTM chasers must face the consequences of their decisions. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
Clone D 395	Posted - 2014.06.01 13:18:00 - [4] - Quote Harpyja wrote: What? No. You must stick with your choices. FOTM chasers must face the consequences of their decisions. If you check out my dropsuits, you will find that I am definitely not a FOTM player. Just read the forums; many people quit after their favorite gear gets nerfed. The community is dwindling as it is. Instead of losing even more players, provide them a fresh start after the hotfix, to avoid people regretting that they spent so much SP in a skill only to have the benefits reduced/removed. .
PARKOUR PRACTIONER The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 1597	Posted - 2014.06.01 13:50:00 - [5] - Quote Sorry couldn't hear you over my cowardice. Minja Knifer, The Best Chef in New Eden G1 the best Artist PSN SilentChaozz Being a true scout is cowardice, who knew?
Pvt Numnutz Watchdoge Explosives 1318	Posted - 2014.06.01 13:51:00 - [6] - Quote Wow haven't seen one of these in a while....
End Is Here Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 26	Posted - 2014.06.01 14:05:00 - [7] - Quote I demand a full respec! My days are numbered........ My TRUE destiny awaits!! I wont be thrown to the side like some unwanted garbage. My "choices' wont be stomped into the ground every month. To be honest I don't even think a full repec will change my mind. LAG LAG LAG! 10 steps forward, 100 back. UNACCEPTABLE! 55mill sp....... I don't 'need' a respec. You kiddies have fun with lagfest!
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 1940	Posted - 2014.06.01 14:08:00 - [8] - Quote Clone D wrote: Any time there are changes to the game, it is only fair to provide the players a full respec. When offensive and defensive attributes change, it may potentially alter how a player wishes to build a character. Not providing a respec leaves people playing catch up for the next many moons. Welcome to DUST where the choices you make have weight... They just simply can't be reset because of balance tweaks or you don't like them anymore.
HOWDIDHEKILLME Dying to Reload 154	Posted - 2014.06.01 14:23:00 - [9] - Quote Bought a tiger... God just gave it duck feet and now it waddles and quacks. Not so cool anymore. FOTM wouldn't matter if everyone had it. This is dust not eve. I'm supposed to be immortal with unlimited possibilities. This time I'm white, next time black, next time a girl so I can play with my boobs ( gonna have to be lesbian...sounds like a fun afternoon I'll just shoot myself before I get my period or if some dude starts hitting on me ) Lonewolf till I die
Clone D 398	Posted - 2014.06.01 15:37:00 - [10] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Welcome to DUST where the choices you make have weight... They just simply can't be reset because of balance tweaks or you don't like them anymore. It's like purchasing a porche and then you walk out into your garage in a week and find a Toyota Corolla. The decisions we make are based on a concept of permanence. The "tweaks" are debilitating to the point of making all prior decisions completely moot. You must not understand decision trees, causality, chaos and other related topics. Tampering even slightly with initial conditions can have a huge impact on the outcome of a match. A respec is in order when ANY tweak is applied. .

Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 67	Posted - 2014.06.01 15:45:00 - [11] - Quote Clone D wrote: Any time there are changes to the game, it is only fair to provide the players a full respec. When offensive and defensive attributes change, it may potentially alter how a player wishes to build a character. Not providing a respec leaves people playing catch up for the next many moons. you must be new here.....
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5796	Posted - 2014.06.01 15:51:00 - [12] - Quote I've stuck with Gallente equipment through and through and it has honestly lead to the demise of me no longer playing this game. If there in fact is little to know Dust character transaction to Legion then I whole heartedly agree on respecs. Its one thing to have a a weapon nerfed and then fixed, you can wait on that. it's another to have a weapon nerfed and not looked at for half a year or not at all, that's a different story that lies more on the fault of their incompetence. If there is going to be a worthy transition of the skills themselves we'd probably already get a "respec" in legion due to major changes....or lack thereof. It was nice knowing you guys. But I'm done with DUST. So long guys, it's been an interesting Journey. Sgt Kirk, out.
HOWDIDHEKILLME Dying to Reload 158	Posted - 2014.06.01 16:10:00 - [13] - Quote Being a white male in America is found to be advantageous... Everyone else hates them so now " god " makes them Pakistani women. Nobody but them cares. Now who shall we hate? Gonna get trolled :( Lonewolf till I die
Doctor Day Glitched Connection 276	Posted - 2014.06.01 16:15:00 - [14] - Quote No.... If they did that with will be another "FOTM" I have tomany scouts come behind me and shotgun me while im being a logi
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15274	Posted - 2014.06.01 17:39:00 - [15] - Quote No. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Gallente Logistics =// Unlocked
Clone D 400	Posted - 2014.06.01 17:47:00 - [16] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: No. Before 1.8, I had completely speced into SCP. It was the only weapon I cared about and liked using. The SCP nerf in 1.8 ruined the game for me to the point that I quit playing for a while. I am still catching up on that nerf, and have barely started specing into the next weapon. It will take me many many months to catch up. When CCP arbitrarily tweaks things it causes players to lose a LOT of time that they had spent EARNING a skill. Then when all of that effort is wasted, people get pissed off. The least courtesy would be to acknowledge the neutering and grant a respec, so I reject your terse "No." .
knight of 6 Heaven's Lost Property 1987	Posted - 2014.06.01 18:17:00 - [17] - Quote none of the changes in this hotfix require a respec. <--- Gal scout 4 lyf my gif is gone, DINKLEBURG!! Ko6, scout
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 1955	Posted - 2014.06.01 19:06:00 - [18] - Quote Clone D wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: No. Before 1.8, I had completely speced into SCP. It was the only weapon I cared about and liked using. The SCP nerf in 1.8 ruined the game for me to the point that I quit playing for a while. I am still catching up on that nerf, and have barely started specing into the next weapon. It will take me many many months to catch up. When CCP arbitrarily tweaks things it causes players to lose a LOT of time that they had spent EARNING a skill. Then when all of that effort is wasted, people get pissed off. The least courtesy would be to acknowledge the neutering and grant a respec, so I reject your terse "No." I'd love that 4 or 5 Million back I sunk into that skill branch. ScP still works fine, but not well enough for that kind of investment. You know, because everyone was up in arms about the ScP. I remember those guys that would spam dual ScPs all the time.... completely ruin everything. So, OP. Just a bunch of scrubs using the best OP tactics to win. No skill at all. SCP = I win no skill scrub. SCP 514, you guys remember we would all say that? Nice job, CCP. Way to trash my investment. Thanks for letting me know you 'care'. Double posting like a Kaiser.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Dimashq and Al-Shams Troops of Al-Fil 817	Posted - 2014.06.01 20:43:00 - [19] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Clone D wrote: Any time there are changes to the game, it is only fair to provide the players a full respec. When offensive and defensive attributes change, it may potentially alter how a player wishes to build a character. Not providing a respec leaves people playing catch up for the next many moons. Welcome to DUST where the choices you make have weight... They just simply can't be reset because of balance tweaks or you don't like them anymore. Choices in a game that was much limited than it is now and where factors that had influence , just do not because of the directional change that the game has made during 1.8 . The choices were to compete or not ... to survive and be effective or plan ahead for rumors of something like full racial vehicles and drones , only to suffer because of that . Limited selection that transforms and given the circumstances , change to an upgrade ... where there is a greater selection and the flow dictates freedom to change , then change is warranted and should become appropriate . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 1736	Posted - 2014.06.01 20:50:00 - [20] - Quote No. I think the dropsuit command respec hurt the scouts as much as anything. "I've made a huge mistake." -G.O.B. Bluth

Egonz4 318	Posted - 2014.06.01 20:51:00 - [21] - Quote Clone D wrote: Any time there are changes to the game, it is only fair to provide the players a full respec. When offensive and defensive attributes change, it may potentially alter how a player wishes to build a character. Not providing a respec leaves people playing catch up for the next many moons. I disagree.... Every time there's changes people just have to adapt...... I think a respect every year is good but that probably won't happen now..... self proclaimed - Master of The Flaylock
akira 1999 the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY 77	Posted - 2014.06.01 20:55:00 - [22] - Quote no no new content, and the game has a shelf life now. so no to any respecs.. deal with your decisions you made.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Dimashq and Al-Shams Troops of Al-Fil 817	Posted - 2014.06.01 20:55:00 - [23] - Quote I just can not understand why those who are saying no are just doing that . What do you have to loose ...???... the advantage that you believe that you have ? What are you afraid of ..??.. the change in tempo like the game and the fact that now most will be able to compete ??? If the game changes then those who play should be able to do the same and that true adaptation and if they complain after that then it's to no fault of yours because , as a company you listened to your community and gave them what they wanted . That's the only reason that I can see people saying no , is because now they want to be the " top dog " and care to keep those who they feel inferior in that position , afraid of the fact that ... there might be some that know what they want to do and what they would do afterwards . I mean the game is ending in a matter of months regardless of rumors and it should be in the companies best interest to keep the community happy .. given the last PR blunder or was it a blunder and CCP is just that arrogant as a company that they feel like they can do whatever they want to their consumers because of the hold of their product ? How anyone in the community , would not back .. at least an infantry refund ( something that should have happened ) is beyond me and proves their counterproductive nature among the same . Should have been a part of 1.8 . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Egonz4 318	Posted - 2014.06.01 20:59:00 - [24] - Quote No...its just because if u made abad decision then you have to live with it........what's the point of having a skill complex system if u get a respect everypatch........that's eve universe.....living with your decisions self proclaimed - Master of The Flaylock
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Dimashq and Al-Shams Troops of Al-Fil 818	Posted - 2014.06.01 21:10:00 - [25] - Quote Doctor Day wrote: No.... If they did that with will be another "FOTM" I have tomany scouts come behind me and shotgun me while im being a logi You kidding right ? You will see a lot more variety , those who were using gal scouts as light infantry ... will now become infantry because they have no choice ... they can't play scout because real scouts will eat them alive and you wouldn't see the bulk of matches being played by heavies and scouts , hell you might see more logi's now ... I know I would skill into Caldari logi's and hives off the top . I love to play heavy but I'm a logi at heart . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Dimashq and Al-Shams Troops of Al-Fil 818	Posted - 2014.06.01 21:14:00 - [26] - Quote Egonz4 wrote: that's eve universe This is Dust 514 , stop trying to make this EVE already ... your getting legion now so , shouldn't that be enough ? Allow those who like to play this game and enjoy it .. do just that before it's taken away . We understand that a lot of you just DGIF but you will have what you want and to CCP , is this really the way to convince a console gamer to invest in your game on a PC ? You just never know .. obviously . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15281	Posted - 2014.06.01 21:24:00 - [27] - Quote I am saying no on the grounds of manpower involved. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Gallente Logistics =// Unlocked
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Dimashq and Al-Shams Troops of Al-Fil 818	Posted - 2014.06.01 21:29:00 - [28] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I am saying no on the grounds of manpower involved. That's going to be the excuse but if a few days is taken from something that's not suppose to be ... for years and won't be for the same .. then how is this is a problem ..??.. given the fact that a few days will just not take much away from there cause , a cause that will supposedly take years ? Something more is going on and this isn't adding up . Maybe the rumors about the servers are true . Or else this is another case of unspoken words , excuses and bad business practice . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1241	Posted - 2014.06.01 21:32:00 - [29] - Quote Clone D wrote: Any time there are changes to the game, it is only fair to provide the players a full respec. When offensive and defensive attributes change, it may potentially alter how a player wishes to build a character. Not providing a respec leaves people playing catch up for the next many moons. Translation: * I went CalLogi until I went GalLogi. * Last Respec, I went GalScout. * Pretty good at Scouting when I stack plates and shields. * But now there's all this nerf talk ... Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15281	Posted - 2014.06.01 21:36:00 - [30] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I am saying no on the grounds of manpower involved. That's going to be the excuse but if a few days is taken from something that's not suppose to be for years and won't be for the same .. then how is this a problem ..??.. given the fact that a few days will just not take much away from their cause , a cause that will supposedly take years ? Something more is going on and this isn't adding up . Maybe the rumors about the servers are true . Or else this is another case of unspoken words , excuses and bad business practice . Considering that Dust 514 doesnt have Respecs as a push button thing, the amount of work required for it is similar to hotfix alpha. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Gallente Logistics =// Unlocked

Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Dimashq and Al-Shams Troops of Al-Fil 818	Posted - 2014.06.01 21:41:00 - [31] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Clone D wrote: Any time there are changes to the game, it is only fair to provide the players a full respec. When offensive and defensive attributes change, it may potentially alter how a player wishes to build a character. Not providing a respec leaves people playing catch up for the next many moons. Translation: * I went CalLogi until I went GalLogi. * Last Respec, I went GalScout. * Pretty good at Scouting when I stack plates and shields. * But now there's all this nerf talk that's what it sounds like too but , why care ? The game is dying for real now and it's just a matter of time , if he believes that with a change ... he will be more effective , then why not give him that shot ? I mean , how long do we have anyway ? This should have happened during 1.8 . That was just a bad decision not to when you had vehicles for 1.7 . He thinks he will be better then bring it , a lot will feel that way and if he's smart then he wouldn't want this ... along with the greater community , wouldn't want another one anyway and it will put this to rest and on a good note . Why wouldn't a community member back others for the good of competition and it's not something that will make people OP , in fact it will give a greater sense of equality to the game for those who are not at least four months new . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Dimashq and Al-Shams Troops of Al-Fil 818	Posted - 2014.06.01 21:47:00 - [32] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Considering that Dust 514 doesnt have Respecs as a push button thing, the amount of work required for it is similar to hotfix alpha. Release it with Hot Fix Alpha then , CCP could even make a petition and see how many would sign it if they believe that people are nagging and being unfair ... something like a vote in a sense and I'm sure that the community will be willing to wait the extra time and you can make a post asking that and see how many would sign it , if that sounds unreasonable . I'm sure that many will sign that and wouldn't mind the time before the change . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Dimashq and Al-Shams Troops of Al-Fil 818	Posted - 2014.06.01 21:50:00 - [33] - Quote Dear sir CPM , did you ask that question or are you one of those in disagreement of such ? That would have been a politically correct thing to do . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Clone D 409	Posted - 2014.06.01 21:58:00 - [34] - Quote Egonz4 wrote: No...its just because if u made abad decision then you have to live with it I don't get people who say this. If I made a good decision based on the skill/gear bonuses at the time, and then those bonuses are changed by a "tweak" then the conditions upon which my former decision was made have been changed and therefore I should have the right to change my mind. It's like taking a 2.5% mortgage on a house and then the next month the bank begins demanding 7% interest. You might say, "hey, that wasn't the original deal!" .
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15281	Posted - 2014.06.01 22:08:00 - [35] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Considering that Dust 514 doesnt have Respecs as a push button thing, the amount of work required for it is similar to hotfix alpha. Release it with Hot Fix Alpha then , CCP could even make a petition and see how many would sign it if they believe that people are nagging and being unfair ... something like a vote in a sense and I'm sure that the community will be willing to wait the extra time and you can make a post asking that and see how many would sign it , if that sounds unreasonable . I'm sure that many will sign that and wouldn't mind the time before the change . Edit : It's not like the extra time wouldn't help and might just do a greater good . There were other issues that were missing from the fix list that I'm sure players would appreciate seeing being addressed . You could check the forums to see most . A lot were posted after the announcement . Then what about hotfix beta? another reset then? Beta is going to be right on the heels of alpha with more things down the list to fix including variants shields and more. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Gallente Logistics =// Unlocked
General John Ripper 22108	Posted - 2014.06.01 22:15:00 - [36] - Quote The only respec I want is the one for legion. When they transfer our sp over we should get a respec being as it is a completely different game. The legend never dies. Appia Vibbia is paying me 100m isk to tell you "Vote for appia" Message her if u want isk too.
Immortal John Ripper 22108	Posted - 2014.06.01 22:15:00 - [37] - Quote The only respec I want is the one for legion. When they transfer our sp over we should get a respec being as it is a completely different game. The legend never dies. Appia Vibbia is paying me 100m isk to tell you "Vote for appia" Message her if u want isk too.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Dimashq and Al-Shams Troops of Al-Fil 818	Posted - 2014.06.01 22:21:00 - [38] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Then what about hotfix beta? another reset then? Beta is going to be right on the heels of alpha with more things down the list to fix including variants shields and more. Come on IWS , your the statesman here ... work some magic , are you telling me that they couldn't use the extra time for refinement and making beta's transition easier ? You understand the system better than your leading on and you know better . Business works with business to make business , so get busy . Pull this off and don't tell me that you can't because I know better . No matter what people say about you , make this happen . I know you could , you and the rest of the CPM's if you were all together because you know a lot in the community want this . I'm sure something could be worked out between the CPM , Community and CCP . It might help business . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Dimashq and Al-Shams Troops of Al-Fil 818	Posted - 2014.06.01 22:27:00 - [39] - Quote Immortal John Ripper wrote: The only respec I want is the one for legion. When they transfer our sp over we should get a respec being as it is a completely different game. Welcome back . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Dimashq and Al-Shams Troops of Al-Fil 818	Posted - 2014.06.01 22:38:00 - [40] - Quote Allow me to make something clear , I would just like a infantry because that's what should have happened during 1.8 . I don't need or really want a full , I knew what I did when I reinvested back into vehicles so I can live with that . I'm sure you know IWS , that if they gave a skill point refund then most wouldn't want another and those who do will be in the minority . This would also serve as a reminder as well . On the record . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .

Asha Starwind 897	Posted - 2014.06.01 23:12:00 - [41] - Quote No, it's more like you purchase a supercar, and before you sign any paperwork they warn you the thing is not fully tested may not meet future Gov't regulations, purchase at your own risk. New laws are passed and the car is made street illegal and needs to be brought in and detuned. [center][/center]
medomai grey WarRavens Final Resolution. 797	Posted - 2014.06.01 23:16:00 - [42] - Quote Clone D wrote: Any time there are changes to the game, it is only fair to provide the players a full respec. When offensive and defensive attributes change, it may potentially alter how a player wishes to build a character. Not providing a respec leaves people playing catch up for the next many moons. ^ That's what you said, this is what I heard: "I spec'd into FotM, which is getting nerfed, and I want a re-spec so that I can spec into the next FotM without grinding for SP." I've had my gear altered on several different occasions, most of which I did not receive a re-spec. I didn't demand re-spec, I adapted and changed to make what I had work. You'll be fine. Medium frame EHP is not medium
Clone D 411	Posted - 2014.06.01 23:41:00 - [43] - Quote medomai grey wrote: I've had my gear altered on several different occasions, most of which I did not receive a re-spec. I didn't demand re-spec, I adapted and changed to make what I had work. You'll be fine. I am an exceedingly versatile player with limited SP and dropsuits < 10k. I can adapt and change with the best of them, and I don't FOTM. I don't even have the cloak skill. If you take the time to read my posts you will discover that the driving argument behind my proposal is that peeps work hard to earn their SP and skill upgrades. Those can take many months to earn. Changing those bonuses that were so tediously attained without acknowledging the effort and patience that was put into it is bunk. .
Velociraptor antirrhopus Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 128	Posted - 2014.06.01 23:51:00 - [44] - Quote don't you bastards use this thread to try and spread your false ideal that the 1.8 respec was uncalled for they completely reshaped all the medium suits and drastically changed the way everyone except vehicles, Gal Scouts and Amarr Sentinels play the game. people like me who built the Min Logi around the hack speed would've been completely hung out to dry without that respec dinosaurs for legion, oh wait i won't be playing it
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3472	Posted - 2014.06.01 23:59:00 - [45] - Quote See, respecs are only warranted.... Meh, screw it. I no longer care enough to be bothered with the idiotic never ending debate on respecs. In this case I personally prefer they use the 2 guys in a closet with a hamster wheel for power that CCP has left working on this game to give us officer LRs and (dare to dream) an Amarr map socket or AV weapon. (The godfather of tactical logistics) Quitting cold turkey was impossible. The forum patch is helping me kick the habit
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15281	Posted - 2014.06.02 00:38:00 - [46] - Quote Just saying Alpha is not changing the entire world neither is beta; I don't see the need for constant respecs especially with the constant hotfixes coming our way. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Gallente Logistics =// Unlocked
Thurak1 Psygod9 768	Posted - 2014.06.02 00:57:00 - [47] - Quote The only people that even give a dam about respecs are bitter old players that dont want newbs to own them and new players that dont have millions of spare sp laying around allocated. If CCP had a dam clue respecs wouldnt mean anything in this game because there wouldnt be a FOTM but CCP releases and tweaks things without play testing so we are left in this state where there is always a FOTM and players are always aggrivated with it. The game is in a bug fix and hotfix mode and no new content is ever expected. Heck we have no idea when or if several long standing issues will ever be corrected. The bi-weekly updates are a joke and dont even happen regularly. I say the heck with it give us all a re-allocate button on each different skill tree and let players chase the FOTM if they want to. It doesnt matter any more.
Arcturis Vanguard Red Star. EoN. 125	Posted - 2014.06.02 01:08:00 - [48] - Quote The scouts are not getting nerfed, they are being balanced. The tac ar was nerfed. The flaylock was nerfed. The contact grenades were nerfed. Everything that's being hotfixed looks like they will still be viable. Players will have to tweak their suits a bit to find what will work best for their own play style. Nothing warrants a respec. Amarr Heavy_ Amarr Assault_ Caldari Scout
Thurak1 Psygod9 768	Posted - 2014.06.02 01:14:00 - [49] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Just saying Alpha is not changing the entire world neither is beta; I don't see the need for constant respecs especially with the constant hotfixes coming our way. Lol which is why we know when beta is coming out right? constant hotfixes. Prove it show me a timeline.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Dimashq and Al-Shams Troops of Al-Fil 818	Posted - 2014.06.02 01:53:00 - [50] - Quote You have two sets of mods , vehicle and drop suit . 1.7. vehicles made changes , mods were changed and vehicles were reworked so there was a refund. 1.8 infantry mods were changed , suits now race based bonus and you have full racial so there's a selection . Weapons added , equipment changed , equipment added , light suits changed with the talk of medium suit changes as well ( which we have yet to see along with incorrect stats for some suits since the patch ) and all that was given was a drop suit refund . More scouts meant more people skilling into their core faster in an attempt to compete so that shifted the game play along with the fact that you seen more heavy activity . Along with the compartmentalization of Logi's going from role base to race base that changed the already changing effects of equipment , along with the decrease in the use of assaults due to poor role bonuses for the class and an increase in commando usage . The whole game changed but the players have not had a true change to go along with the sudden direction of the game because just the drop suits were refunded and not full infantry , which would have eased and assisted the sudden shift . Much more than drop suits were effected in 1.8 and what was done was partial and not even that because it was just the suits , which is like 30 percent of infantry . Core - Biotic , shield , armor , cloak , electronics , engineering , nano's , uplinks , repair tool , hacking and scanners all effected by the changes in role to race based bonuses as well as the equipment changes . Weapons - reduced damage ( supposedly ) , damage mod changes and weapons sidearm add on . Equipment - reduced effectiveness , race based bonuses .. instead of role based so now all equipment is now less effective for all logi's and calls for one to play a particular race and use a particular equipment item for that item to perform . Suits - racial additions along with changes and proposed changes . Seems like a lot more than drop suits were effected by the 1.8 patch . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .

akira 1999 the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY 77	Posted - 2014.06.02 02:13:00 - [51] - Quote still no, sorry having constant respecs does not help the game... it jast makes fit of the month remain that.. a month.. then respec and hop the new band wagon to easy win. no more respecs because the constant use would completely wreck what time we have with dust. if people got them for any little fix then we would be worse then when they changed tanks, a massive use of respec of SP popped into the fit of the month. it would finally break whats left of the idea.. this is dust, a part of the eve unuiverse... and choices have consequences. what makes dust and eve so unique consequences for actions/decisions.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 1946	Posted - 2014.06.02 02:19:00 - [52] - Quote Clone D wrote: Bethhy wrote: Welcome to DUST where the choices you make have weight... They just simply can't be reset because of balance tweaks or you don't like them anymore. It's like purchasing a porche and then you walk out into your garage in a week and find a Toyota Corolla. The decisions we make are based on a concept of permanence. The "tweaks" are debilitating to the point of making all prior decisions completely moot. You must not understand decision trees, causality, chaos and other related topics. Tampering even slightly with initial conditions can have a huge impact on the outcome of a match. A respec is in order when ANY tweak is applied. It's like Purchasing a Porche for the same price as a Toyota Specifically because it's better then the toyota's everyone has, Then complaining when everyone gets their toyota upgraded for free.
Clone D 411	Posted - 2014.06.02 02:52:00 - [53] - Quote Bethhy wrote: It's like Purchasing a Porche for the same price as a Toyota Specifically because it's better then the toyota's everyone has, Then complaining when everyone gets their toyota upgraded for free and trying to explain why your Porche is worthless now that everyone has one.. Perhaps a better analogy would be purchasing the Porsche and then a week later a mechanic visits your house and installs a governor with a 45 mph limit, and he spuriously says "Enjoy!" as he departs. I wouldn't want that car any more. .
Arcturis Vanguard Red Star. EoN. 125	Posted - 2014.06.02 03:20:00 - [54] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: You have two sets of mods , vehicle and drop suit . 1.7. vehicles made changes , mods were changed and vehicles were reworked so there was a refund. 1.8 infantry mods were changed , suits now race based bonus and you have full racial so there's a selection . Weapons added , equipment changed , equipment added , light suits changed with the talk of medium suit changes as well ( which we have yet to see along with incorrect stats for some suits since the patch ) and all that was given was a drop suit refund . More scouts meant more people skilling into their core faster in an attempt to compete so that shifted the game play along with the fact that you seen more heavy activity . Along with the compartmentalization of Logi's going from role base to race base that changed the already changing effects of equipment , along with the decrease in the use of assaults due to poor role bonuses for the class and an increase in commando usage . The whole game changed but the players have not had a true change to go along with the sudden direction of the game because just the drop suits were refunded and not full infantry , which would have eased and assisted the sudden shift . Much more than drop suits were effected in 1.8 and what was done was partial and not even that because it was just the suits , which is like 30 percent of infantry . Core - Biotic , shield , armor , cloak , electronics , engineering , nano's , uplinks , repair tool , hacking and scanners all effected by the changes in role to race based bonuses as well as the equipment changes . Weapons - reduced damage ( supposedly ) , damage mod changes and weapons sidearm add on . Equipment - reduced effectiveness , race based bonuses .. instead of role based so now all equipment is now less effective for all logi's and calls for one to play a particular race and use a particular equipment item for that item to perform . Suits - racial additions along with changes and proposed changes . Seems like a lot more than drop suits were effected by the 1.8 patch . I am in an agreement with you that everything was directly effected with the new bonus to racial suits in 1.8. But I am still going to disagree with a respec even a full respec. An individual, with the dropsuit command respec, could have either specced into a suit to match their equipment/weapons of preference or a suit of choice and then work on tailoring everything else to the suit while making use of previous investments. Also, just to inform those that are unaware, there were multiple events prior to the release of 1.8 to rack up millions of sp. An individual could have saved all the accumulated sp and used that to tailor a new play style. For those that want to discuss the new players and how much that will set them back etc, well it's their turn to experience ccps game developing philosophy. If they don't like it they can quit and they will. For the more experienced players that have been around for a few patches, well guess what. Ccp is always changing things. You invest your sp knowing that at some point it may change for better or worse. The only thing that does suck for new players if the lack on ccps part to emphasize the importance of core skill investments before luxury items. Core skills are cpu/pg increase, armor and shield passive increases, and biotic passive. Everything else is to tailor build aka full specialization. Amarr Heavy_ Amarr Assault_ Caldari Scout
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5802	Posted - 2014.06.02 18:02:00 - [55] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Clone D wrote: Bethhy wrote: Welcome to DUST where the choices you make have weight... They just simply can't be reset because of balance tweaks or you don't like them anymore. It's like purchasing a porche and then you walk out into your garage in a week and find a Toyota Corolla. The decisions we make are based on a concept of permanence. The "tweaks" are debilitating to the point of making all prior decisions completely moot. You must not understand decision trees, causality, chaos and other related topics. Tampering even slightly with initial conditions can have a huge impact on the outcome of a match. A respec is in order when ANY tweak is applied. It's like Purchasing a Porche for the same price as a Toyota Specifically beca Then use it's better then the toyota's everyone has, Then complaining when everyone gets their toyota upgraded for free and trying to explain why your Porche is worthless now that everyone has one.. Let me tell you what it's really like. It's like specing into a weapon that wasn't overpowered to begin with then CCP releases two more weapons that completely overshadow it while also nerfing the old weapon. Then you have to decide whether to stick with this **** weapon that does no good and even scrubs can kill you because they use the OP FoTM and you're stuck with this weapon. You think, at the most a month you have to put up with this, but no. The weapon remains to be for months and months, leaving you with the choice of hating this game because you're stuck with the weapons you want to play and are or spec into the FoTM that will in turn get nerfed and waste your SP and then Spend it on the Next FoTM and so on with the response of, "your choices matter hur der". That's exactly what it's like. This game has no room for permanent choices when the devs themselves decided to respec into the PC.** It was nice knowing you guys. But I'm done with DUST. So long guys, it's been an interesting Journey. Sgt Kirk, out.
Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 604	Posted - 2014.06.02 18:09:00 - [56] - Quote LOL news flash GAME IS DEAD so get over it War never changes
Lloyd Orfay Fantom Company 11	Posted - 2014.06.02 18:36:00 - [57] - Quote Piraten Hovnoret wrote: LOL news flash GAME IS DEAD so get over it But why does the game have to be dead? It can still go as it is very potentialous, though it needs a proper updating more generally affected by the community. Why make a game and just up and quit when you've already gotten started and could do much, much better? "LELGAM'SDEED" Doesn't make games, work does. Even if a game doesn't meet a developer's expectation it can still be worked around for people to enjoy it, which making profit and entertainment. If I can't kill an enemy, I'll just use my heaps of dead clones!
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1588	Posted - 2014.06.02 18:39:00 - [58] - Quote Clone D wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: No. Before 1.8, I had completely speced into SCP. It was the only weapon I cared about and liked using. The SCP nerf in 1.8 ruined the game for me to the point that I quit playing for a while. I am still catching up on that nerf, and have barely started specing into the next weapon. It will take me many many months to catch up. When CCP arbitrarily tweaks things it causes players to lose a LOT of time that they had spent EARNING a skill. Then when all of that effort is wasted, people get pissed off. The least courtesy would be to acknowledge the neutering and grant a respec, so I reject your terse "No." WTF? The SCP is still the best sidearm. L2P
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Dimashq and Al-Shams Troops of Al-Fil 818	Posted - 2014.06.02 18:41:00 - [59] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: This game has no room for permanent choices when the devs themselves decided to respec into the PC. It's not even that but the fact that you have community members still stuck in the ignorance of bias from not having the chance in their EVE careers so they hate the fact that this is even a discussion in a Dust Community , you have dust players who have massive amounts of ISK's and SP 's who don't want to redistribute their skill points back into the same skills ( which I'm sure that some changes will be made by most ) and have the games base more balanced so their competition will become harder and they just don't like the idea of a better and more diverse competitive field . You have management that really don't see how this will help and increase business during the final moments of this game and perhaps convert some console gamers into PC gamers from the management and handling of the final moments .This is the saddest part of all of this is the fact that a business , who in actions that were snide and disrespectful can care less about the same people who they offer sales and events ... still until the eventual end of the game but choose to do any and everything to continue to handcuff and demoralize that same community . Money and players time which keep stock options steady is alright but their opinions mean nothing . I just can not understand why Dust members of the community and not those of you who favor EVE because most of you could care less about this game and are the majority of those who applauded CCP's decision on legion and continued to demoralizing the console community ... I can't understand how these same people could not back the efforts of those who are attempting to get the " Community " something that should have happened for the " Community " during the drop of the 1.8 patch . How would this , if done ... would harm the game and the community more than help it ..???... and save that lame @$$ FOTM conversation because if that's the case then nothing will stop these same players from acquiring that and more than likely , it's those with a pool of unallocated skill points that will speck into the " next FOTM " to begin with anyway . If anything this would increase the level of competition and the playing field . Hell , no one would be able to cry about FOTM because more would be able to obtain it . I don't and could care less , I just would like to have done what should have been done to begin with and not something partial , regardless of the fact that they had events before and still do now , that's to make up for a bad decision and they know and knew that there were more in the community who feel slighted for not having a full infantry refund . It was to keep players like such ... still interested in the game . Can't keep using CCP not caring about the game as an excuse if as a community you can do something about it . If they see it's important to you .. most of you and not a few , then they would see how important it is . I would like my last moments of playing this game to be enjoyable and ( decisions that helped to compete in a much more limited gaming environment ) regret free . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1588	Posted - 2014.06.02 18:44:00 - [60] - Quote Clone D wrote: Egonz4 wrote: No...its just because if u made abad decision then you have to live with it I don't get people who say this. If I made a good decision based on the skill/gear bonuses at the time, and then those bonuses are changed by a "tweak" then the conditions upon which my former decision was made have been changed and therefore I should have the right to change my mind. It's like taking a 2.5% mortgage on a house and then the next month the bank begins demanding 7% interest. You might say, "hey, that wasn't the original deal!" Not even close

Clone D 412	Posted - 2014.06.02 21:44:00 - [61] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: WTF!? The SCP is still the best sidearm. L2P Dex, the point is that the user experience changed because of a tweak, enough so that I no longer wanted to play the game for a while. If the intention of the alpha tweaks is to rebalance the game, then it is expected that many people may experience an unpleasant change in the feel of their gear, or that they may quit using a branch of the skill tree that they had speced into thereby wasting all of the time it took them to spec into that branch. .
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1839	Posted - 2014.06.02 22:00:00 - [62] - Quote Clone D wrote: Any time there are changes to the game, it is only fair to provide the players a full respec. When offensive and defensive attributes change, it may potentially alter how a player wishes to build a character. Not providing a respec leaves people playing catch up for the next many moons. Oh knock it off ya fkng puzzy!!! CEO Whiskey squad leader, E9 , patiently waiting for Destiny and Planetside2, real games... Once Bitten Twice Shy....
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15288	Posted - 2014.06.02 22:06:00 - [63] - Quote If world of warcraft offered a job change ticket for every time they patched balance on specific classes in the game. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Gallente Logistics =// Unlocked
PLAYSTTION Universal Allies Inc. 146	Posted - 2014.06.02 22:28:00 - [64] - Quote I just want a respect to change stuff up. Im tired of my current stuff and wanna try something new. I also made a few mistakes. Its not like its gonna hurt dust. dust is to dead to hurt. 44/4 in a BPO Scout (1.8) 40/5 in a Proto Assault (1.7) Open Beta Vet 23mil sp R.I.P Dust 514
Onesimus Tarsus Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 2049	Posted - 2014.06.02 22:41:00 - [65] - Quote PLAYSTTION wrote: I just want a respect to change stuff up. Im tired of my current stuff and wanna try something new. I also made a few mistakes. Its not like its gonna hurt dust. dust is to dead to hurt. BUT! But! PURITY!!!!!!!! Battlefield 1943. Running since 2009. I'm diskinetic, BTW. Birth, growth, decline, death.
Eko Sol Strange Playings 430	Posted - 2014.06.02 23:06:00 - [66] - Quote I love the idea of a respec. Personally, I have to agree that you have a point. The problem is that your point is not enough of a reason to warrant a respec. The changes for Alpha hotfix are pretty much pointless. Alpha is fixing some genuine balance issues. I think they are totally effing everyone over with the damage boost to Small rails. That is absolutely the dumbest thing on that spreadsheet given that will move the DPS to some very serious amount of damage against vehicles. Other than that, it's balancing the game. PSN is "Ekopalm" I play D3, Child of Light, and solo games Also, Proto Trolling until I'm broke...
Miokai Zahou The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 278	Posted - 2014.06.02 23:11:00 - [67] - Quote Clone D wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: No. Before 1.8, I had completely speced into SCP. It was the only weapon I cared about and liked using. The SCP nerf in 1.8 ruined the game for me to the point that I quit playing for a while. I am still catching up on that nerf, and have barely started specing into the next weapon. It will take me many many months to catch up. When CCP arbitrarily tweaks things it causes players to lose a LOT of time that they had spent EARNING a skill. Then when all of that effort is wasted, people get pissed off. The least courtesy would be to acknowledge the neutering and grant a respec, so I reject your terse "No." So... I'll just reject your reject and say no. Let them leave then as they won't be missed. Noob isn't really a status, it's the online equivalent of a 5-year old calling you a poopy fart head.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1589	Posted - 2014.06.02 23:27:00 - [68] - Quote Clone D wrote: Dexter307 wrote: WTF!? The SCP is still the best sidearm. L2P Dex, the point is that the user experience changed because of a tweak, enough so that I no longer wanted to play the game for a while. If the intention of the alpha tweaks is to rebalance the game, then it is expected that many people may experience an unpleasant change in the feel of their gear, or that they may quit using a branch of the skill tree that they had speced into thereby wasting all of the time it took them to spec into that branch. You speced into a semi auto lazer pistol Its still a semi auto lazer pistol No respec needed Respecs are only needed if a weapons function changes.
Vicious Minotaur Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 854	Posted - 2014.06.02 23:27:00 - [69] - Quote No. Our choices matter. Our choices have consequences. DUST is a persistent EVE-connected MMOFPS that will go on to live... um, a decade? 10-year plan? Oh, wait... that's right... visions of fanfest All the old arguments for getting no respecs are pretty much null and void. Choices and consequences become inconsequential as your deathbed beckons. FOTM? Yeah, our lack of respecs certainly prevented the chasing of it... right? Resources, or rather, the lack thereof; certainly valid for no respec. Might as well open the game up a little. For the sake of fun. Because that is all this game has going for it. I am a minotaur.
Eko Sol Strange Playings 431	Posted - 2014.06.02 23:36:00 - [70] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: No. Our choices matter. Our choices have consequences. DUST is a persistent EVE-connected MMOFPS that will go on to live... um, a decade? 10-year plan? Oh, wait... that's right... visions of fanfest All the old arguments for getting no respecs are pretty much null and void. Choices and consequences become inconsequential as your deathbed beckons. FOTM? Yeah, our lack of respecs certainly prevented the chasing of it... right? Resources, or rather, the lack thereof; certainly valid for no respec. Might as well open the game up a little. For the sake of fun. Because that is all this game has going for it. I agree with this a lot BUT I am not sure it justifies one. Maybe 3 months before the end would make more sense. Although, CCP is purposely not telling us when the end is over b/c they are ass holes. PSN is "Ekopalm" I play D3, Child of Light, and solo games Also, Proto Trolling until I'm broke...

Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Dimashq and Al-Shams Troops of Al-Fil 818	Posted - 2014.06.03 00:23:00 - [71] - Quote Eko Sol wrote: Vicious Minotaur wrote: No. Our choices matter. Our choices have consequences. DUST is a persistent EVE-connected MMOFPS that will go on to live... um, a decade? 10-year plan? Oh, wait... that's right... visions of fanfest All the old arguments for getting no respecs are pretty much null and void. Choices and consequences become inconsequential as your deathbed beckons. FOTM? Yeah, our lack of respecs certainly prevented the chasing of it... right? Resources, or rather, the lack thereof; certainly valid for no respec. Might as well open the game up a little. For the sake of fun. Because that is all this game has going for it. I agree with this a lot BUT I am not sure it justifies one. Maybe 3 months before the end would make more sense. And if there not saying then why wait ? Why wait anyway ??? It would help me to play more and enjoy it while I'm doing it and when I get stuck on an imaginary something or other while walking up an incline , get stuck in a small crack or experience lag and rubber banding ... then it prob won't bother me as much as it does now because I will be having fun and using the work that I've earned for me and not seeing a lot go to waste , which leads me to not feeling inspired to play in the first place . I guess that doesn't matter when dealing with a dying game . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .


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