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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Dimashq and Al-Shams Troops of Al-Fil 817	Posted - 2014.06.01 20:43:00 - [1] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Clone D wrote: Any time there are changes to the game, it is only fair to provide the players a full respec. When offensive and defensive attributes change, it may potentially alter how a player wishes to build a character. Not providing a respec leaves people playing catch up for the next many moons. Welcome to DUST where the choices you make have weight... They just simply can't be reset because of balance tweaks or you don't like them anymore. Choices in a game that was much limited than it is now and where factors that had influence , just do not because of the directional change that the game has made during 1.8 . The choices were to compete or not ... to survive and be effective or plan ahead for rumors of something like full racial vehicles and drones , only to suffer because of that . Limited selection that transforms and given the circumstances , change to an upgrade ... where there is a greater selection and the flow dictates freedom to change , then change is warranted and should become appropriate . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Dimashq and Al-Shams Troops of Al-Fil 817	Posted - 2014.06.01 20:55:00 - [2] - Quote I just can not understand why those who are saying no are just doing that . What do you have to loose ...???... the advantage that you believe that you have ? What are you afraid of ..??.. the change in tempo like the game and the fact that now most will be able to compete ??? If the game changes then those who play should be able to do the same and that true adaptation and if they complain after that then it's to no fault of yours because , as a company you listened to your community and gave them what they wanted . That's the only reason that I can see people saying no , is because now they want to be the " top dog " and care to keep those who they feel inferior in that position , afraid of the fact that ... there might be some that know what they want to do and what they would do afterwards . I mean the game is ending in a matter of months regardless of rumors and it should be in the companies best interest to keep the community happy .. given the last PR blunder or was it a blunder and CCP is just that arrogant as a company that they feel like they can do whatever they want to their consumers because of the hold of their product ? How anyone in the community , would not back .. at least an infantry refund ( something that should have happened ) is beyond me and proves their counterproductive nature among the same . Should have been a part of 1.8 . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Dimashq and Al-Shams Troops of Al-Fil 818	Posted - 2014.06.01 21:10:00 - [3] - Quote Doctor Day wrote: No.... If they did that with will be another "FOTM" I have tomany scouts come behind me and shotgun me while im being a logi You kidding right ? You will see a lot more variety , those who were using gal scouts as light infantry ... will now become infantry because they have no choice ... they can't play scout because real scouts will eat them alive and you wouldn't see the bulk of matches being played by heavies and scouts , hell you might see more logi's now ... I know I would skill into Caldari logi's and hives off the top . I love to play heavy but I'm a logi at heart . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Dimashq and Al-Shams Troops of Al-Fil 818	Posted - 2014.06.01 21:14:00 - [4] - Quote Egonz4 wrote: that's eve universe This is Dust 514 , stop trying to make this EVE already ... your getting legion now so , shouldn't that be enough ? Allow those who like to play this game and enjoy it .. do just that before it's taken away . We understand that a lot of you just DGIF but you will have what you want and to CCP , is this really the way to convince a console gamer to invest in your game on a PC ? You just never know .. obviously . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Dimashq and Al-Shams Troops of Al-Fil 818	Posted - 2014.06.01 21:29:00 - [5] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I am saying no on the grounds of manpower involved. That's going to be the excuse but if a few days is taken from something that's not suppose to be ... for years and won't be for the same .. then how is this is a problem ..??.. given the fact that a few days will just not take much away from there cause , a cause that will supposedly take years ? Something more is going on and this isn't adding up . Maybe the rumors about the servers are true . Or else this is another case of unspoken words , excuses and bad business practice . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Dimashq and Al-Shams Troops of Al-Fil 818	Posted - 2014.06.01 21:41:00 - [6] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Clone D wrote: Any time there are changes to the game, it is only fair to provide the players a full respec. When offensive and defensive attributes change, it may potentially alter how a player wishes to build a character. Not providing a respec leaves people playing catch up for the next many moons. Translation: * I went CalLogi until I went GalLogi. * Last Respec, I went GalScout. * Pretty good at Scouting when I stack plates and shields. * But now there's all this nerf talk that's what it sounds like too but , why care ? The game is dying for real now and it's just a matter of time , if he believes that with a change ... he will be more effective , then why not give him that shot ? I mean , how long do we have anyway ? This should have happened during 1.8 . That was just a bad decision not to when you had vehicles for 1.7 . He thinks he will be better then bring it , a lot will feel that way and if he's smart then he wouldn't want this ... along with the greater community , wouldn't want another one anyway and it will put this to rest and on a good note . Why wouldn't a community member back others for the good of competition and it's not something that will make people OP , in fact it will give a greater sense of equality to the game for those who are not at least four months new . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Dimashq and Al-Shams Troops of Al-Fil 818	Posted - 2014.06.01 21:47:00 - [7] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Considering that Dust 514 doesnt have Respecs as a push button thing, the amount of work required for it is similar to hotfix alpha. Release it with Hot Fix Alpha then , CCP could even make a petition and see how many would sign it if they believe that people are nagging and being unfair ... something like a vote in a sense and I'm sure that the community will be willing to wait the extra time and you can make a post asking that and see how many would sign it , if that sounds unreasonable . I'm sure that many will sign that and wouldn't mind the time before the change . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Dimashq and Al-Shams Troops of Al-Fil 818	Posted - 2014.06.01 21:50:00 - [8] - Quote Dear sir CPM , did you ask that question or are you one of those in disagreement of such ? That would have been a politically correct thing to do . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Dimashq and Al-Shams Troops of Al-Fil 818	Posted - 2014.06.01 22:21:00 - [9] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Then what about hotfix beta? another reset then? Beta is going to be right on the heels of alpha with more things down the list to fix including variants shields and more. Come on IWS , your the statesman here ... work some magic , are you telling me that they couldn't use the extra time for refinement and making beta's transition easier ? You understand the system better than your leading on and you know better . Business works with business to make business , so get busy . Pull this off and don't tell me that you can't because I know better . No matter what people say about you , make this happen . I know you could , you and the rest of the CPM's if you were all together because you know a lot in the community want this . I'm sure something could be worked out between the CPM , Community and CCP . It might help business . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Dimashq and Al-Shams Troops of Al-Fil 818	Posted - 2014.06.01 22:27:00 - [10] - Quote Immortal John Ripper wrote: The only respec I want is the one for legion. When they transfer our sp over we should get a respec being as it is a completely different game. Welcome back . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .

Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Dimashq and Al-Shams Troops of Al-Fil 818	Posted - 2014.06.01 22:38:00 - [11] - Quote Allow me to make something clear , I would just like a infantry because that's what should have happened during 1.8 . I don't need or really want a full , I knew what I did when I reinvested back into vehicles so I can live with that . I'm sure you know IWS , that if they gave a skill point refund then most wouldn't want another and those who do will be in the minority . This would also serve as a reminder as well . On the record . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Dimashq and Al-Shams Troops of Al-Fil 818	Posted - 2014.06.02 01:53:00 - [12] - Quote You have two sets of mods , vehicle and drop suit . 1.7. vehicles made changes , mods were changed and vehicles were reworked so there was a refund. 1.8 infantry mods were changed , suits now race based bonus and you have full racial so there's a selection . Weapons added , equipment changed , equipment added , light suits changed with the talk of medium suit changes as well ( which we have yet to see along with incorrect stats for some suits since the patch ) and all that was given was a drop suit refund . More scouts meant more people skilling into their core faster in an attempt to compete so that shifted the game play along with the fact that you seen more heavy activity . Along with the compartmentalization of Logi's going from role base to race base that changed the already changing effects of equipment , along with the decrease in the use of assaults due to poor role bonuses for the class and an increase in commando usage . The whole game changed but the players have not had a true change to go along with the sudden direction of the game because just the drop suits were refunded and not full infantry , which would have eased and assisted the sudden shift . Much more than drop suits were effected in 1.8 and what was done was partial and not even that because it was just the suits , which is like 30 percent of infantry . Core - Biotic , shield , armor , cloak , electronics , engineering , nano's , uplinks , repair tool , hacking and scanners all effected by the changes in role to race based bonuses as well as the equipment changes . Weapons - reduced damage ( supposedly ) , damage mod changes and weapons sidearm add on . Equipment - reduced effectiveness , race based bonuses .. instead of role based so now all equipment is now less effective for all logi's and calls for one to play a particular race and use a particular equipment item for that item to perform . Suits - racial additions along with changes and proposed changes . Seems like a lot more than drop suits were effected by the 1.8 patch . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Dimashq and Al-Shams Troops of Al-Fil 818	Posted - 2014.06.02 18:41:00 - [13] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: This game has no room for permanent choices when the devs themselves decided to respec into the PC. It's not even that but the fact that you have community members still stuck in the ignorance of bias from not having the chance in their EVE careers so they hate the fact that this is even a discussion in a Dust Community , you have dust players who have massive amounts of ISK's and SP 's who don't want to redistribute their skill points back into the same skills ( which I'm sure that some changes will be made by most ) and have the games base more balanced so their competition will become harder and they just don't like the idea of a better and more diverse competitive field . You have management that really don't see how this will help and increase business during the final moments of this game and perhaps convert some console gamers into PC gamers from the management and handling of the final moments .This is the saddest part of all of this is the fact that a business , who in actions that were snide and disrespectful can care less about the same people who they offer sales and events ... still until the eventual end of the game but choose to do any and everything to continue to handcuff and demoralize that same community . Money and players time which keep stock options steady is alright but their opinions mean nothing . I just can not understand why Dust members of the community and not those of you who favor EVE because most of you could care less about this game and are the majority of those who applauded CCP's decision on legion and continued to demoralizing the console community ... I can't understand how these same people could not back the efforts of those who are attempting to get the " Community " something that should have happened for the " Community " during the drop of the 1.8 patch . How would this , if done ... would harm the game and the community more than help it ..???... and save that lame @$$ FOTM conversation because if that's the case then nothing will stop these same players from acquiring that and more than likely , it's those with a pool of unallocated skill points that will speck into the " next FOTM " to begin with anyway . If anything this would increase the level of competition and the playing field . Hell , no one would be able to cry about FOTM because more would be able to obtain it . I don't and could care less , I just would like to have done what should have been done to begin with and not something partial , regardless of the fact that they had events before and still do now , that's to make up for a bad decision and they know and knew that there were more in the community who feel slighted for not having a full infantry refund . It was to keep players like such ... still interested in the game . Can't keep using CCP not caring about the game as an excuse if as a community you can do something about it . If they see it's important to you .. most of you and not a few , then they would see how important it is . I would like my last moments of playing this game to be enjoyable and ( decisions that helped to compete in a much more limited gaming environment ) regret free . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Dimashq and Al-Shams Troops of Al-Fil 818	Posted - 2014.06.03 00:23:00 - [14] - Quote Eko Sol wrote: Vicious Minotaur wrote: No. Our choices matter. Our choices have consequences. DUST is a persistent EVE-connected MMOFPS that will go on to live... um, a decade? 10-year plan? Oh, wait... that's right... visions of fanfest All the old arguments for getting no respecs are pretty much null and void. Choices and consequences become inconsequential as your deathbed beckons. FOTM? Yeah, our lack of respecs certainly prevented the chasing of it... right? Resources, or rather, the lack thereof; certainly valid for no respec. Might as well open the game up a little. For the sake of fun. Because that is all this game has going for it. I agree with this a lot BUT I am not sure it justifies one. Maybe 3 months before the end would make more sense. And if there not saying then why wait ? Why wait anyway ??? It would help me to play more and enjoy it while I'm doing it and when I get stuck on an imaginary something or other while walking up an incline , get stuck in a small crack or experience lag and rubber banding ... then it prob won't bother me as much as it does now because I will be having fun and using the work that I've earned for me and not seeing a lot go to waste , which leads me to not feeling inspired to play in the first place . I guess that doesn't matter when dealing with a dying game . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .

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