What?

Like really, what?

Enough of the cynicism and let-¦s get back to topic: Get rid of WP

WP or any other direct reward for actions in game are an invention of lobby shooters. There they work because after the match the barely matter anymore. A few unlocks or achievements but that-¦s it.

In DUST you can specialize in support and fully give up fire power to support your mates so it has to be equally worth the work of an assault suit dedicated to kill. You have heavies giving up 95% of their anti infantry abilities to run AV fits so that should worth equally as well.

It should all be worth equally and there is the problem: There are no restrictions. You most of the time run a mix of two or even three of the dedications. If you run an Assault and use a rep tool you get as many points from it as a Logi using it and vice versa.
This leads together with missing damage bonuses on Assaults to fitting your suits to be good at everything (where logis are best at) instead of specializing into one role.

Of course there would be problems as well:
SP:
Skill Points are largely dependent on your WP gain
Solution: Make the whole SP system like EVE
Actively playing could increase the SP generation rate

Orbital Strikes:
They are available upon certain WP
Solution: Make them like those in FW

This would improve the game in several ways:

• Every action is worth the same
• You fight for your ISK, not your SP
• Better statistics
• More specializing in fitting instead of trying to be good at everything
• More dependency on EVE players for Orbitals

Why does where they come from matter? How does DUST/Legion having WP in matches suddenly not work? Just because the idea of points work differently in one game than another doesn't mean that the same points cannot be used in another. You are basically saying "In basketball points are used to determine how many baskets a team makes. But in football it is touchdowns, field goals, safeties, extra point field goal, and 2 point conversion so Football shouldn't have points."

Why? "I am dropping ammo, reviving allies, healing allies, as well as shooting people. Why should the guy who is just killing people get the same amount of reward as me?" Warpoints in DUST exist as a way to so how you help your team and to incentivize play to help the team. Notice that Support play generally better than killing.

I disagree that players making different fittings to maximize their reward while giving up their firing power, just as a Repair Tool Scout rather than having Remote Explosives, is a bad thing. The problem only comes forth with Assaults really. They don't do anything special; they move kinda fast, they do no more damage than a Logistics, they just are nothing special. They kill people, that's it.

How? EVE has a completely passive system. You want a passive system but make it better by "actively playing"? This will just make AFK farming more rewarding while not rewarding those that work to help their team. If you say "X SP for doing this, Y SP forthis, Z SP for this" then you are just talking about WP just under a different name.

The only point I have seen in your reasoning for removing WP is to remove NPC Orbitals. The game doesn't change on any other way. Why would someone choose to specialize in something rather than be an everyman suddenly? In every game, someone will try to build an everyman. The Bard, the Factotum, the Jack of all Trades. Why is removing that something you see as making the game better?

wow, that was a lot of stuff

No. Bad idea supported by arguments that contradict each other.

Because you are arguing for rewarding support action then taking away then taking away the incentive to do that and the means to do it better.

OP wants Dust to turn into Eve some more even though it's being abandoned for Legion...

GTFO.

After some time I decided to come back to the forums once more and had to find out that there is still just whining around and no constructive feedback. It-¦s like the whiners are the only people that stay here.

Enough of the cynicism and let-¦s get back to topic: Get rid of WP

WP or any other direct reward for actions in game are an invention of lobby shooters. There they work because after the match the barely matter anymore. A few unlocks or achievements but that-¦s it.
Let-¦s take COD BOII as example: (It-¦s the only COD I have so sorry) You have one major way to get them and that-¦s killing (and conquering). You get some additional points from Pointstreaks but those are usually only a part of the points you need to get them. They are the only support actions possible in the whole game. Here it works because you can clearly distribute the points (Conquering>)Killing>Kill Assists>Pointstreak points>Destruction

In BF4 it-¦s about the same just that you don-¦t have Pointstreaks but real Equipment and Vehicles. The focus still lies on Killing and Destruction so it is only marginally different. A supporting class is still not really supporting, it just throws down its equipment. You don-¦t give up fire power.

In DUST you can specialize in support and fully give up fire power to support your mates so it has to be equally worth the work of an assault suit dedicated to kill. You have heavies giving up 95% of their anti infantry abilities to run AV fits so that should worth equally as well. It should all be worth equally and there is the problem: There are no restrictions. You most of the time run a mix of two or even three of the dedications. If you run an Assault and use a rep tool you get as many points from it as a Logi using it and vice versa.
This leads together with missing damage bonuses on Assaults to fitting your suits to be good at everything (where logis are best at) instead of specializing into one role.

It may now seem that I want CCP to remove that freedoms in fitting but listen: DON-¦T REMOVE IT
If you remove WP at all every dedication is worth the same. There will be no more problems of exploiting rep tools or nanite injectors.

Of course there would be problems as well:
SP:
Skill Points are largely dependent on your WP gain
Solution: Make the whole SP system like EVE
Actively playing could increase the SP generation rate

Statistics:
WP are the statistic to compare all kinds of play styles
Solution: ISK efficiency rating
ISK you destroyed or saved divided by the ISK you lost

Recruiting:
As for now recruiter rewards depend on WP
Solution: Base it on total ISK destroyed or saved

Orbital Strikes:
They are available upon certain WP
Solution: Make them like those in FW

This would improve the game in several ways:

• Every action is worth the same
• You fight for your ISK, not your SP
• Better statistics
• More specializing in fitting instead of trying to be good at everything
• More dependency on EVE players for Orbitals

If you don-¦t use it DUST use it at least in Legion
Cheers,
Aml

So,you want slayer logis?

Because a logistics suit can easily cost 250k isk.


TL;DR You're an idiot.

You are no true Logi! You are a fricking slayer logi! As a real Logi you should help your team 95% of the time and you only barely get your gun out. When a Logi (true one without going for kills) does support his squad in a fight for 1 minute he should have the same amount of WP as an Assault in the same fight has.