Drive me crazy. Seriously hate losing 525k to a cheap unskilled tank.

Indeed the new standardisation of modules especially on HAV has brought its own set of problems in that using these modules, namely the static damage buffs on the already powerful rail-gun effectively negates massive amounts of SP investment meaning a toon with 0SP can often effectively engage and beat vastly more SP and ISK invested players with very little effort.

I assume you wuz dropshipping...... imagine having to fight these tools on the ground...... its more often than not that I see a Sica on the kill feed and immediately drop back until someone can tell me where it is, what its doing, and which direction its facing.

Drive me crazy. Seriously hate losing 525k to a cheap unskilled tank.

The trouble is that even if you "deal" with them, they simply bring out more because they are that cheap.

If it makes you feel any better, I use a Proto railgun with 3 complex dmg mods.

Drive me crazy. Seriously hate losing 525k to a cheap unskilled tank.

try loosing an equal value python dropship cause you hit lamp post !

Price efficiency is the name of the game in Dust.

They're doing it right, you're doing it wrong.

How do you manage to hit a lampost? Do you fly an inch off the ground, or have you failed to master the art of vertical takeoff?

Drunk RDV pilots enjoy deploying my derpships on lamp posts.

Not really. Price efficiency would be using a completely outmatched suit or vehicle to kill a vehicle that is way stronger than you. Like using a starter suit to beat a full proto suit. The militia suit is at every disadvantage but if you win you are isk efficient.

Double damage mod sicas hit way above their class hence it's not about isk efficiency it'a about being a try hard scrub that uses any broken mechanic that exists like staying in the redline to to do it ^^

You're contradicting yourself.

Double damage mod sicas are cheap and can outclass your expensive piece of ****.
Getting more bang for less buck is isk efficiency.

My tri-rep maddy tears into them far too easily....

Drive me crazy. Seriously hate losing 525k to a cheap unskilled tank.

That in of itself is a whole bag of poor game designed worms.........

Two RE's on the weak spot of a triple rep maddy and one AV nade and it's down. I love these tanks to be honest because they have no EHP. Just to be safe I throw two AV nades.

Triple rep middy's are overrated.

Two RE's on the weak spot of a triple rep maddy and one AV nade and it's down. I love these tanks to be honest because they have no EHP. Just to be safe I throw two AV nades.

Triple rep maddy's are overrated.

Drive me crazy. Seriously hate losing 525k to a cheap unskilled tank.

For me, one of the few people that runs Hardener-Plate Repairer anymore (due to to ability to get the highest EHP possible), it is aggravating how powerful damage mods are.

Shield Hardener: 60 -> 40%, 33.33% nerf.
Armor Hardener: 40 -> 25%, 37.5% nerf.
Damage modifiers were not changed, meaning the balance between glass cannons and defense oriented vehicles was hit significantly.

Of course, the Sica is quite overpowered. 2 highs, 2 lows, far far better CPU than the Soma with only slightly less PG. The Militia Tanks probably should be 1-2 or 2-1 rather than both being 2-2. Going that way will emphasis how each tank is meant to be used for defensive purposes. I think the fact that people armor tank Sicas, with damage mods, to extreme effectiveness is evidence that something needs to change.

How do you manage to hit a lampost? Do you fly an inch off the ground, or have you failed to master the art of vertical takeoff?

My tri-rep maddy tears into them far too easily....

My tri-rep maddy tears into them far too easily....

Right; I just used it as infantry suppression. Didn't expect to take on 6 tanks and 2 dropships. An RE scout would have ended me easily or coordinated AV attempts.

And my double damage amp Sica on my alt with 0 SP into vehicles will pop you open in three shots, just like any other tank out there.

MLT Rail + damage amp = particle cannon

Particle cannon + damage amp = 2-3 shot kills

I can shoot you three times before you can drop my 2600 shield and 2900 armor.

Problem is most folks are not fitting the sica exactly that way and the other thing is most people are not used to knife fighting with large rails. Worst thing a rail tank can go through is having their gun facing forward while I am behind them.

That is situational, the truth is, it's not what happens the majority of the times.

Right right, its not every day I pull out a tank either. Mostly situational.

I seriously hate loosing my 50-250ISK dropsuits to some scrub(s) hiding in a tank/dropship acting like their entitled just because theirs is bigger.

If you're using broken stacked armor repairers, I have no sympathy
if you're using broken large blasters, I have no sympathy
if you use broken afterburners, I have no sympathy
if you use broken stacked Python gunning skills,I have no sympathy

Drive me crazy. Seriously hate losing 525k to a cheap unskilled tank.

Drive me crazy. Seriously hate losing 525k to a cheap unskilled tank.

And I hate loosing PRO suits to MLT/STD gear, but do you see me complaining?

Perhaps you should stop expecting your SP to carry you.

Indeed the new standardisation of modules especially on HAV has brought its own set of problems in that using these modules, namely the static damage buffs on the already powerful rail-gun effectively negates massive amounts of SP investment meaning a toon with 0SP can often effectively engage and beat vastly more SP and ISK invested players with very little effort.

I assume you wuz dropshipping...... imagine having to fight these tools on the ground...... its more often than not that I see a Sica on the kill feed and immediately drop back until someone can tell me where it is, what its doing, and which direction its facing.

Yeah I skilled into tanks to play around with the large missile turret which are insanely fun but have significant drawbacks, especially against infantry and shilded vehicles.
I have basically stopped using them at this point unless I feel like it. I mostly just use my sica for a few reasons,

1.) Cost effectiveness
My missile gunnlogi has a good tank, AT missiles and two rail guns that runs me about 350k isk. My sica has two milita damage mods and runs me 68k. This is basically the primary reason and ties into the others.

2.) Survivability
My gunni can take much more of a pounding from av but if I come across a rail shield tank its a goner. My sica has no tank, all it has is two DMG mods and can survive most av by simply breaking LOS and running. If I had to loose either I'd rather loose 68k.

3.) AT effectiveness
My missile tank can destroy triple repped maddies if I land my full volley but if its anything shielded short of a sica (and even then...) I'm severely outmatched.
Rail guns don't really care what type of tank it is, it will shred armor and shields alike with two DMG mods even at a milita level. Any vehicle that is called down can be destroyed with ease.

4.) AI effectiveness
With a missile tanks reload and DMG you really need gunners to fight against infantry. You have to hit with multiple missiles to kill medium suits and it has to be direct, lots of ammo wasted and challenging to do.
While it is also equally important to have ammo in your clip for a rail, most targets can be dispatched even with half a clip. The reload time is much shorter so the only thing you have to worry about is turret tracking which really isn't that bad either. I find it rathet easy to kill infantry with my sica, its deadly accurate with massive damage, only a stacked armor heavy will survive one shot.

Large rails are laughably easy to use and extremely effective, even at a milita level. There are really only two draw backs,
overheat, and let's face it if you overheat your doing it wrong
Tracking speed, thank god the turret tracks slowly, this is pretty much the only reason I have been able to win against a shielded rail tank in my missile tank. The tracking speed is the only major drawback to fielding a rail tank. You have to make sure you are positioned the right way. When you look at the other turrets, that's not so bad. You can also aid this with skills.

Its annoying that the greatest threat to any vehicle is a 68k milita tank with two milita DMG mods. Sadder still that it can field a prototype cannon and have a decent tank while remaining more isk efficient than a std.

My tri-rep maddy tears into them far too easily....

Right; I just used it as infantry suppression. Didn't expect to take on 6 tanks and 2 dropships. An RE scout would have ended me easily or coordinated AV attempts.

I still say that Missiles should work like a Shotgun, can fire once you have one reloaded, not the whole volley.

As to only overheating if you're doing it wrong, am I the only one that will have a shot or two glitch on occasion and overheat even though I had no intention of firing, or the rounds don't fire when I want them to, but do afterwards?

Note, as an ADS enthusiast, I agree with most sentiments in this thread.

I assume you wuz dropshipping...... imagine having to fight these tools on the ground...... its more often than not that I see a Sica on the kill feed and immediately drop back until someone can tell me where it is, what its doing, and which direction its facing.

The purpose then of anything more than a Sica is defeated.....so then the questions becomes why even bother with anything else?

Thats not good game design.

Yeah I skilled into tanks to play around with the large missile turret which are insanely fun but have significant drawbacks, especially against infantry and shilded vehicles.
I have basically stopped using them at this point unless I feel like it. I mostly just use my sica for a few reasons,

1.) Cost effectiveness
My missile gunnlogi has a good tank, AT missiles and two rail guns that runs me about 350k isk. My sica has two milita damage mods and runs me 68k. This is basically the primary reason and ties into the others.

2.) Survivability
My gunni can take much more of a pounding from av but if I come across a rail shield tank its a goner. My sica has no tank, all it has is two DMG mods and can survive most av by simply breaking LOS and running. If I had to loose either I'd rather loose 68k.

3.) AT effectiveness
My missile tank can destroy triple repped maddies if I land my full volley but if its anything shielded short of a sica (and even then...) I'm severely outmatched.
Rail guns don't really care what type of tank it is, it will shred armor and shields alike with two DMG mods even at a milita level. Any vehicle that is called down can be destroyed with ease.

4.) AI effectiveness
With a missile tanks reload and DMG you really need gunners to fight against infantry. You have to hit with multiple missiles to kill medium suits and it has to be direct, lots of ammo wasted and challenging to do.
While it is also equally important to have ammo in your clip for a rail, most targets can be dispatched even with half a clip. The reload time is much shorter so the only thing you have to worry about is turret tracking which really isn't that bad either. I find it rathet easy to kill infantry with my sica, its deadly accurate with massive damage, only a stacked armor heavy will survive one shot.

Large rails are laughably easy to use and extremely effective, even at a milita level. There are really only two draw backs,
overheat, and let's face it if you overheat your doing it wrong
Tracking speed, thank god the turret tracks slowly, this is pretty much the only reason I have been able to win against a shielded rail tank in my missile tank. The tracking speed is the only major drawback to fielding a rail tank. You have to make sure you are positioned the right way. When you look at the other turrets, that's not so bad. You can also aid this with skills.

Its annoying that the greatest threat to any vehicle is a 68k milita tank with two milita DMG mods. Sadder still that it can field a prototype cannon and have a decent tank while remaining more isk efficient than a std.

1. Your 2 railguns won't do **** if nobody's on them
2. Explain to me why you can't ALSO break LOS and run with your missile HAV? The extra tank is just insurance.
3. I also have missile tanks- if you play it right and fit them right, they annihilate everything. Essentially hit-and-run fighters
4. I've easily killed infantry with STANDARD missiles. IMO they're much better and easier AI than railguns are.

What I'm wondering is how all HAVs that are more expensive than sicas magically lose the ability to do whatever sicas can; according to what you're saying.