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Atiim Heaven's Lost Property 8887	Posted - 2014.05.27 15:45:00 - [1] - Quote Ironically, I made an equation a few weeks back to estimate how much ISK this corp could make each week based off a 5% Tax Rate. So I'll just place my math here: Quote: 180k SP / 3k SP = 60 // Number of matches to "cap out". 150k ISK * 60 = 9m ISK // ISK gained weekly 9m ISK * 0.05 = 450k ISK // ISK players 'pay' to their corp weekly Note: This estimate implies that this player earns only 150,000 ISK per match, and that s/he only earns 3,000 SP, while also stopping after "capping out". The actual values will vary, as the player in this example is defined as a scrub; along with the fact that not everyone earns the exact same amount of ISK nor plays for the exact same number of marches So basically, a corp would need 100 active members (45m / 450k) to earn a clone pack weekly based off a 5% tax rate. HvLP Spreadsheet Warrior Why Do Slayers Get All The Credit? :( -HAND
bunnywink 793	Posted - 2014.05.27 16:15:00 - [2] - Quote I don't think any of the corporations currently in PC have more than 100 active members? O__O G£+ PSN: bunnywink G£+ SKYPE: bunnywink G£+ EVE: Erica Durance
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 888	Posted - 2014.05.27 16:23:00 - [3] - Quote This is why i said any corps who have not previously made ISK from PC are screwed. You realize you'd need 3 weeks to save up to try to take a CH assuming you don't loose a single battle. CCP continues to make the wrong choices, one choice at a time.
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact The East India Co. 3987	Posted - 2014.05.27 16:37:00 - [4] - Quote Raise the tax to 15% and get your members to suck a little bit less and get payouts of 200k+ and you can get a clone pack every other day. Do you even Plasma Cannon Bro?
Ghost Kaisar The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance 4936	Posted - 2014.05.27 16:46:00 - [5] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Raise the tax to 15% and get your members to suck a little bit less and get payouts of 200k+ and you can get a clone pack every other day. Also Back in my day if you wanted your Corp to join PC you had to collect donations from your Corp because there was no tax system and we did just fine. Yup. I remember when I used to regularly donate to my corp to help us run PC. If your members want to get clone packs, they can certainly do it. People just always want the easy way out. Everyone wants to buy a clone pack every other day and not have to pay for it. Headed to Destiny, To Hell with CCP PSN: EVL_Elgost105 RIP Dust514 05/02/14 GG CCP
Dust User KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 283	Posted - 2014.05.27 16:56:00 - [6] - Quote Hey Viktor, lol @ all those plasma cannons. That's priceless.
CookieStein G I A N T General Tso's Alliance 319	Posted - 2014.05.27 16:56:00 - [7] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Raise the tax to 15% and get your members to suck a little bit less and get payouts of 200k+ and you can get a clone pack every other day. Also Back in my day if you wanted your Corp to join PC you had to collect donations from your Corp because there was no tax system and we did just fine. ^ that instead of cry babies whining At the OP's conservative ISK/match numbers and a 10% tax rate...20 guys capping...one 'work night' a week running 80% for 10 matches...42M. While everyone should have the opportunity to partake in PC (aka not having the leets hold 98.84%) it can not sit in some kind 'welfare state' where it is just handed to players as easily as simply queuing up for a match. If you care about your corp and your corp mates then put in a bit effort as a group instead of looking for CCP food stamps. CEO of [GI4NT] <3XXXD> Dust Head @CookieStein Skype: Cookie_Stein
bunnywink 793	Posted - 2014.05.27 17:09:00 - [8] - Quote There's really no point in holding districts for those corporations then. If it's so difficult for a corporation to raise 42 mil ISK for one clone pack in which they may not even flip the district and have no way to recoup their losses, how can they even make a profit? Pubs are more ISK efficient. BRING BACK CORP BATTLES. G£+ PSN: bunnywink G£+ SKYPE: bunnywink G£+ EVE: Erica Durance
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 888	Posted - 2014.05.27 17:10:00 - [9] - Quote CookieStein wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Raise the tax to 15% and get your members to suck a little bit less and get payouts of 200k+ and you can get a clone pack every other day. Also Back in my day if you wanted your Corp to join PC you had to collect donations from your Corp because there was no tax system and we did just fine. ^ that instead of cry babies whining At the OP's conservative ISK/match numbers and a 10% tax rate...20 guys capping...one 'work night' a week running 80% for 10 matches...42M. While everyone should have the opportunity to partake in PC (aka not having the leets hold 98.84%) it can not sit in some kind 'welfare state' where it is just handed to players as easily as simply queuing up for a match. If you care about your corp and your corp mates then put in a bit effort as a group instead of looking for CCP food stamps. So lets make a rough estimate of 10 clone packs for a new to PC corp to learn PC and take a district. I guarantee they'll waste the first few hitting the wrong people and getting wasted. So 10 weeks to get into PC? Really? I think i'm even being optimistic on the 10 clone packs. Unless you have experience in PC you're pretty much screwed with this price tag. I don't think it should be free, but that's a bit ridiculous. Also you also have to consider the personal cost in suits / vehicles when these corps get mauled. CCP continues to make the wrong choices, one choice at a time.
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 888	Posted - 2014.05.27 17:12:00 - [10] - Quote bunnywink wrote: There's really no point in holding districts for those corporations then. If it's so difficult for a corporation to raise 42 mil ISK for one clone pack in which they may not even flip the district and have no way to recoup their losses, how can they even make a profit? Pubs are more ISK efficient. BRING BACK CORP BATTLES. I miss corp battles too. Sad day when those went away. CCP continues to make the wrong choices, one choice at a time.

CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 591	Posted - 2014.05.27 18:02:00 - [11] - Quote well as long as you leave a corp one district they can all ways have the option to move clones. its kind of carebear but CCP just broke PC even more destroying the playerbase. The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy"s will to be imposed upon him. Sun Tzu
Kain Spero Goonfeet 3598	Posted - 2014.05.27 18:05:00 - [12] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Raise the tax to 15% and get your members to suck a little bit less and get payouts of 200k+ and you can get a clone pack every other day. Also Back in my day if you wanted your Corp to join PC you had to collect donations from your Corp because there was no tax system and we did just fine. +1 for using the phrase "back in my day" Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
Pushing Charlie 93	Posted - 2014.05.27 18:16:00 - [13] - Quote I make ISK while playing DkS 2. Want to know how? Just purchase my book "Knight's Five Steps to Easy ISK" today! Only 999,999.99 ISK! Use the special code 'Scam4Me' on checkout to receive a 15% discount! Getting rich couldn't be any easier when you do it the Knight way! Knight Soiaire Project Beast Hype train comin' through! From Software > CCP
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3978	Posted - 2014.05.27 18:49:00 - [14] - Quote It's not that it isn't possible. It is that it's unlikely for people to grind like that at this stage of the game. The more likely scenario would be the players being asked to grind in cheap gear over the weekend leaving to join a corporation that has ISK and participates in PC. Level 3 Forum Warrior PSN: wbrom42
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 765	Posted - 2014.05.27 18:51:00 - [15] - Quote Atiim wrote: Ironically, I made an equation a few weeks back to estimate how much ISK this corp could make each week based off a 5% Tax Rate. So I'll just place my math here: Quote: 180k SP / 3k SP = 60 // Number of matches to "cap out". 150k ISK * 60 = 9m ISK // ISK gained weekly 9m ISK * 0.05 = 450k ISK // ISK players 'pay' to their corp weekly Note: This estimate implies that this player earns only 150,000 ISK per match, and that s/he only earns 3,000 SP, while also stopping after "capping out". The actual values will vary, as the player in this example is defined as a scrub; along with the fact that not everyone earns the exact same amount of ISK nor plays for the exact same number of marches So basically, a corp would need 100 active members (45m / 450k) to earn a clone pack weekly based off a 5% tax rate. Or you could just have everyone on the PC team contribute 3 million which they can earn running free suits for 3 hours. The ISK cost is high but most guys who can run proto can afford 3 million if they are willong to forego wearing proto in pub matches. Because, that's why.
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 765	Posted - 2014.05.27 19:01:00 - [16] - Quote Ares 514 wrote: CookieStein wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Raise the tax to 15% and get your members to suck a little bit less and get payouts of 200k+ and you can get a clone pack every other day. Also Back in my day if you wanted your Corp to join PC you had to collect donations from your Corp because there was no tax system and we did just fine. ^ that instead of cry babies whining At the OP's conservative ISK/match numbers and a 10% tax rate...20 guys capping...one 'work night' a week running 80% for 10 matches...42M. While everyone should have the opportunity to partake in PC (aka not having the leets hold 98.84%) it can not sit in some kind 'welfare state' where it is just handed to players as easily as simply queuing up for a match. If you care about your corp and your corp mates then put in a bit effort as a group instead of looking for CCP food stamps. So lets make a rough estimate of 10 clone packs for a new to PC corp to learn PC and take a district. I guarantee they'll waste the first few hitting the wrong people and getting wasted. So 10 weeks to get into PC? Really? I think i'm even being optimistic on the 10 clone packs. Unless you have experience in PC you're pretty much screwed with this price tag. I don't think it should be free, but that's a bit ridiculous. Also you also have to consider the personal cost in suits / vehicles when these corps get mauled. The issue though is not the cost of the clone packs, the issue is not having a training ground. Hopefully, once passive ISK is gine there will be no real rrason to hold onto several districts, there will be strong districts and weak districts. This is the way it should have been originally. 1 Platinum district, 16 gold, 64 silver and so on. No passive ISK, every corp wanting to be #1 and no good reason for anything but very temporary alliances. Everyone would want to fight and everyone would want to win. Because, that's why.
Rich MO-FO Heaven's Lost Property 16	Posted - 2014.05.27 19:25:00 - [17] - Quote Atiim wrote: Ironically, I made an equation a few weeks back to estimate how much ISK this corp could make each week based off a 5% Tax Rate. So I'll just place my math here: Quote: 180k SP / 3k SP = 60 // Number of matches to "cap out". 150k ISK * 60 = 9m ISK // ISK gained weekly 9m ISK * 0.05 = 450k ISK // ISK players 'pay' to their corp weekly Note: This estimate implies that this player earns only 150,000 ISK per match, and that s/he only earns 3,000 SP, while also stopping after "capping out". The actual values will vary, as the player in this example is defined as a scrub; along with the fact that not everyone earns the exact same amount of ISK nor plays for the exact same number of marches So basically, a corp would need 100 active members (45m / 450k) to earn a clone pack weekly based off a 5% tax rate. the SP is 190k so 64 matches assuming perfect results as predicted, try those numbers with a 10% or a 7.5% I mean 10% means 50 Active members who cap, which honestly assumes none of them ring which may increase funds to the corp players who logi, so they cap quicker, slayers and AV people who make more ISK but about the predicted amount of SP. or you know you could and I know most people here dislike the practice, but SCAM... I mean scamming can make huge profits if a smart player does it. My Alts are in Real corps
Rich MO-FO Heaven's Lost Property 16	Posted - 2014.05.27 19:26:00 - [18] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Raise the tax to 15% and get your members to suck a little bit less and get payouts of 200k+ and you can get a clone pack every other day. Also Back in my day if you wanted your Corp to join PC you had to collect donations from your Corp because there was no tax system and we did just fine. So true... My Alts are in Real corps
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property 8891	Posted - 2014.05.27 21:13:00 - [19] - Quote Ares 514 wrote: This is why i said any corps who have not previously made ISK from PC are screwed. You realize you'd need 3 weeks to save up to try to take a CH assuming you don't loose a single battle. This assumes that every active member in your corp is a scrub; along with that many others in this thread have listed other examples on how to gain enough ISK faster. Though I don't really see the problem with requiring vast amounts of resources to flip a district. It increases it's emphasis and importance, as opposed to being a throwaway faucet. HvLP Spreadsheet Warrior Why Do Slayers Get All The Credit? :( -HAND
Hynox Xitio 0uter.Heaven 1240	Posted - 2014.05.27 21:30:00 - [20] - Quote Otter Heaven makes do with our economically constructed dams. Unleash the Fogwoggler, follow your dreams. ( -íº -£-û -íº) /)

Heimdallr69 2448	Posted - 2014.05.27 21:38:00 - [21] - Quote In Imperfect Bastards we set 100% tax to get our clone packs. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3095	Posted - 2014.05.27 21:44:00 - [22] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Raise the tax to 15% and get your members to suck a little bit less and get payouts of 200k+ and you can get a clone pack every other day. Also Back in my day if you wanted your Corp to join PC you had to collect donations from your Corp because there was no tax system and we did just fine. Yup. I remember when I used to regularly donate to my corp to help us run PC. If your members want to get clone packs, they can certainly do it. People just always want the easy way out. Everyone wants to buy a clone pack every other day and not have to pay for it. Ghost.....PREACH man.. It's either people forgot or wasn't around.....or really want handouts. Back when pc started, there was no corp tax and noone had districts and every clone pack cost $80M ISK! Corp members grind in pubs and donated to the corp. That's what we had to do if we were serious about competing. I mean, everyone is running std gear, right? What is the problem? It used to cost $240M ISK to take a hub! Dudes need to work and put that grind in like early pc corps did. It's more rewarding if anything. Removed all hope with this post
Goat of Dover Heaven's Lost Property 212	Posted - 2014.05.27 22:03:00 - [23] - Quote Pushing Charlie wrote: I make ISK while playing DkS 2. Want to know how? Just purchase my book "Knight's Five Steps to Easy ISK" today! Only 999,999.99 ISK! Use the special code 'Scam4Me' on checkout to receive a 15% discount! Getting rich couldn't be any easier when you do it the Knight way! I guarantee this product. This book along with Zitro and Mojo manuals you can go from scrub to god in a matter of days.
Smoky Fingers Red Star. EoN. 376	Posted - 2014.05.27 22:56:00 - [24] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Raise the tax to 15% and get your members to suck a little bit less and get payouts of 200k+ and you can get a clone pack every other day. Also Back in my day if you wanted your Corp to join PC you had to collect donations from your Corp because there was no tax system and we did just fine. +1 for using the phrase "back in my day" Kinda like what Nova Knife used to say. I make the goons look like they care.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3978	Posted - 2014.05.28 03:19:00 - [25] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Raise the tax to 15% and get your members to suck a little bit less and get payouts of 200k+ and you can get a clone pack every other day. Also Back in my day if you wanted your Corp to join PC you had to collect donations from your Corp because there was no tax system and we did just fine. Yup. I remember when I used to regularly donate to my corp to help us run PC. If your members want to get clone packs, they can certainly do it. People just always want the easy way out. Everyone wants to buy a clone pack every other day and not have to pay for it. Ghost.....PREACH man.. It's either people forgot or wasn't around.....or really want handouts. Back when pc started, there was no corp tax and noone had districts and every clone pack cost $80M ISK! Corp members grind in pubs and donated to the corp. That's what we had to do if we were serious about competing. I mean, everyone is running std gear, right? What is the problem? It used to cost $240M ISK to take a hub! Dudes need to work and put that grind in like early pc corps did. It's more rewarding if anything. You can't deny the facts. If PC mechanics provided enough satisfaction to continue the grind mentioned above, why was participation in PC so poor? Your statement sounds like an owner of a family restaurant that thinks it's the public's fault for not appreciating the great taste of the food. Level 3 Forum Warrior PSN: wbrom42
Kain Spero Goonfeet 3607	Posted - 2014.05.28 14:20:00 - [26] - Quote When all you can grind for is a crappy 120 clone pack that really isn't enough clones to get the job done reliably it kinda puts a damper on things. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
Gelhad Thremyr Quebec United 292	Posted - 2014.05.28 15:56:00 - [27] - Quote We use an alt corp with starter fit with 100% tax with a single 6 man team, you can harvest 150k times 6 very quick by suicide with a nade ! When two teams are syncing trust me it goes very fast !
Gelhad Thremyr Quebec United 292	Posted - 2014.05.28 15:58:00 - [28] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Raise the tax to 15% and get your members to suck a little bit less and get payouts of 200k+ and you can get a clone pack every other day. Also Back in my day if you wanted your Corp to join PC you had to collect donations from your Corp because there was no tax system and we did just fine. Yup. I remember when I used to regularly donate to my corp to help us run PC. If your members want to get clone packs, they can certainly do it. People just always want the easy way out. Everyone wants to buy a clone pack every other day and not have to pay for it. Ghost.....PREACH man.. It's either people forgot or wasn't around.....or really want handouts. Back when pc started, there was no corp tax and noone had districts and every clone pack cost $80M ISK! Corp members grind in pubs and donated to the corp. That's what we had to do if we were serious about competing. I mean, everyone is running std gear, right? What is the problem? It used to cost $240M ISK to take a hub! Dudes need to work and put that grind in like early pc corps did. It's more rewarding if anything. You can't deny the facts. If PC mechanics provided enough satisfaction to continue the grind mentioned above, why was participation in PC so poor? Your statement sounds like an owner of a failing family restaurant that thinks it's the public's fault for not appreciating the great taste of the food. Totally agree that overall owning a district brings j a c k f u c k. Im getting to a point where im leasure playing this game !
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3978	Posted - 2014.05.28 16:32:00 - [29] - Quote Gelhad Thremyr wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Raise the tax to 15% and get your members to suck a little bit less and get payouts of 200k+ and you can get a clone pack every other day. Also Back in my day if you wanted your Corp to join PC you had to collect donations from your Corp because there was no tax system and we did just fine. Yup. I remember when I used to regularly donate to my corp to help us run PC. If your members want to get clone packs, they can certainly do it. People just always want the easy way out. Everyone wants to buy a clone pack every other day and not have to pay for it. Ghost.....PREACH man.. It's either people forgot or wasn't around.....or really want handouts. Back when pc started, there was no corp tax and noone had districts and every clone pack cost $80M ISK! Corp members grind in pubs and donated to the corp. That's what we had to do if we were serious about competing. I mean, everyone is running std gear, right? What is the problem? It used to cost $240M ISK to take a hub! Dudes need to work and put that grind in like early pc corps did. It's more rewarding if anything. You can't deny the facts. If PC mechanics provided enough satisfaction to continue the grind mentioned above, why was participation in PC so poor? Your statement sounds like an owner of a failing family restaurant that thinks it's the public's fault for not appreciating the great taste of the food. Totally agree that overall owning a district brings j a c k f u c k. Im getting to a point where im leasure playing this game ! And that is where most people are if they haven't totally given up. I don't understand why people are wanting PC to be some uber serious longterm gamemode. Tweak all the numbers so that its a place that you don't have to put up with blueberries on your team. They can give us corp battles by working with what we have in PC. Level 3 Forum Warrior PSN: wbrom42
tla suoivbo Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2014.05.28 18:27:00 - [30] - Quote Gelhad Thremyr wrote: We use an alt corp with starter fit with 100% tax with a single 6 man team, you can harvest 150k times 6 very quick by suicide with a nade ! When two teams are syncing trust me it goes very fast ! jump out of the MCC, it's cheaper and better.



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