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Sir Dukey SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 896	Posted - 2014.05.22 10:58:00 - [1] - Quote Is it because it is only good on an Amarr Assault? Is it also because 80% of the Dust player base tanks more armor than shield even on caldari and minmitar suits? Is it because the overhear is more noticeable because damage reduction makes it so you have to take more shots? Is it because it does only 80% damage to armor? Is it because it get's you killed now unlike 1.7? How do do you improve this weapon? suggestions: -110% damage to shield 90% to armor -change proficiency so it gives bonus damage to not other tank type (3% damage to armor per level in SCR proficiency)
deezy dabest Warpoint Sharx 553	Posted - 2014.05.22 11:02:00 - [2] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Is it because it is only good on an Amarr Assault? Is it also because 80% of the Dust player base tanks more armor than shield even on caldari and minmitar suits? Is it because the overhear is more noticeable because damage reduction makes it so you have to take more shots? Is it because it does only 80% damage to armor? Is it because it get's you killed now unlike 1.7? How do do you improve this weapon? suggestions: -110% damage to shield 90% to armor -change proficiency so it gives bonus damage to not other tank type (3% damage to armor per level in SCR proficiency) Because everyone that tries it does so without the amarr assault or maybe with it at level 1. Level 5 in the ScR and the Amarr Assault makes a great combo that is really fun. The other issue is the Amarr assault just seems a little bit broken, but Im not sure in what way. Laser focused in a room full of mirrors. Everything you ever wanted coming SoonGäó just keep buying boosters.
Luna McDuffing COALICION LATINA 9	Posted - 2014.05.22 11:09:00 - [3] - Quote Using the scrambler rifle takes trigger discipline which most people don't have. Also, is an empire weapon. When you buy a scrambler you are supporting the empire. That kind of behavior is frown upon on this side of the galaxy.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4711	Posted - 2014.05.22 11:13:00 - [4] - Quote Armour tanking & proficiency change. That's why. RIP Stinky Sleeve. RIP Dust514. See you on Destiny. PSN: GSDSteVB
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property 8773	Posted - 2014.05.22 11:16:00 - [5] - Quote Scrambler Rifles are the least used because they are ineffective against Armor, which seems to be the meta at the moment. Fixing the Shield/Armor imbalance will cause them to be seen more on the field, as there will be more shielded targets to destroy. HvLP Spreadsheet Warrior Why Do Slayers Get All The Credit? :( -HAND
Sir Dukey SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 897	Posted - 2014.05.22 11:19:00 - [6] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Is it because it is only good on an Amarr Assault? Is it also because 80% of the Dust player base tanks more armor than shield even on caldari and minmitar suits? Is it because the overhear is more noticeable because damage reduction makes it so you have to take more shots? Is it because it does only 80% damage to armor? Is it because it get's you killed now unlike 1.7? How do do you improve this weapon? suggestions: -110% damage to shield 90% to armor -change proficiency so it gives bonus damage to not other tank type (3% damage to armor per level in SCR proficiency) Because everyone that tries it does so without the amarr assault or maybe with it at level 1. Level 5 in the ScR and the Amarr Assault makes a great combo that is really fun. The other issue is the Amarr assault just seems a little bit broken, but Im not sure in what way. All amarr suits are broken. They are suppose to be the highest HP in Armor but all gallante suits armor tank much much better than Amarr. The Assault is missing slots, since now Amarr suits are more focused toward armor its time to give the assault 2H/5L and amarr heavy with 1H/4L
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property 8773	Posted - 2014.05.22 11:20:00 - [7] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: suggestions: -110% damage to shield 90% to armor -change proficiency so it gives bonus damage to not other tank type (3% damage to armor per level in SCR proficiency) No to the damage profile because that's already taken by the Hybrid- Plasma profile. No to the proficiency change because that will make it +10% / +15%, effectively removing the "sacrifice" in running one (which is what makes the Combat Rifle as broken as it is). HvLP Spreadsheet Warrior Why Do Slayers Get All The Credit? :( -HAND
Sir Dukey SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 897	Posted - 2014.05.22 11:24:00 - [8] - Quote Atiim wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: suggestions: -110% damage to shield 90% to armor -change proficiency so it gives bonus damage to not other tank type (3% damage to armor per level in SCR proficiency) No to the damage profile because that's already taken by the Hybrid- Plasma profile. No to the proficiency change because that will make it +10% / +15%, effectively removing the "sacrifice" in running one (which is what makes the Combat Rifle as broken as it is). It's either or so 120% shield, 95% armor, This should only happen to specialized weapons only. Specialized weapons like mass drivers, flay lock. Currently the SCR for me at PRO 4 does 138% damage to shields which is absolutely pointless considering the fact that almost all suits have over 300 armor.
Yoma Carrim Arrogance. Dark Taboo 553	Posted - 2014.05.22 11:28:00 - [9] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Atiim wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: suggestions: -110% damage to shield 90% to armor -change proficiency so it gives bonus damage to not other tank type (3% damage to armor per level in SCR proficiency) No to the damage profile because that's already taken by the Hybrid- Plasma profile. No to the proficiency change because that will make it +10% / +15%, effectively removing the "sacrifice" in running one (which is what makes the Combat Rifle as broken as it is). It's either or so 120% shield, 95% armor, This should only happen to specialized weapons only. Specialized weapons like mass drivers, flay lock. Currently the SCR for me at PRO 4 does 138% damage to shields which is absolutely pointless considering the fact that almost all suits have over 300 armor. I have a cal logi with 506 shield and 112 armor who really dislikes you right now Sir Dukey. Oh Heck
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property 8773	Posted - 2014.05.22 11:29:00 - [10] - Quote So basically a +20% / -5% profile? Not only is that worse than the Combat Rifle (currently at -5% /+10%), it wouldn't be a specialized weapon in the first place. My Caldari and Minmatar suits don't have 300HP of armor. You know, the ones that the Scrambler Rifles are supposed to kill? HvLP Spreadsheet Warrior Why Do Slayers Get All The Credit? :( -HAND

Cardio Therapy Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 35	Posted - 2014.05.22 11:33:00 - [11] - Quote basic ScR with prof 4 used on base gal logi kills more than AR prof 4. I am Ok with it but it needs more training to learn to control the heat. Take CR and you will do almost the same but no heat build. the cr rof is so high that the 3 shots almost always hit together as one. otherwise it is an excelent weapon. maybe shoud change the prof to be 2% vs shields and armour. But then the risk is to see half of the players using it :)
KingBabar MAG was better... 2531	Posted - 2014.05.22 11:34:00 - [12] - Quote I actually pulled out that old friend on my Cal scout yesterday and I had a blast, literally. Top tip: When you're not in an Amarr Assault suit, just never ever charge shot, it only leads to trouble. So after I stopped charging my shots I started to rack up decent amounts of kills, 33-1 was my best. This is more a testimony to the insane low quality of the average Dust playerbase. I mean, come on, its always been bad but now? These days With most of the good players leaving its like playing an Electronic Wack-a-mole. Deaths are reserved for accidental encounters With EZ-mode fat bastards With their Death rays or the *****-mode slim bastards With their Galente scout shotty combos, well and the occational "Death by blob". So Yeah, the gun is still very good, but that can be said for any gun these days, this game is dying it seems. FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
KingBabar MAG was better... 2531	Posted - 2014.05.22 11:37:00 - [13] - Quote Atiim wrote: So basically a +20% / -5% profile? Not only is that worse than the Combat Rifle (currently at -5% /+10%), it wouldn't be a specialized weapon in the first place. My Caldari and Minmatar suits don't have 300HP of armor. You know, the ones that the Scrambler Rifles are supposed to kill? They don't??? Well I can only talk for the Caldari Assault and Logi, and its very easy to put 335 armor on the Assault (2 basic plates) and 450+ armor on the Cal logi is no problem at all... So its a trade off like most Things in this game. I wouldn't dare to grab a Scr for a PC game though... FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
Sir Dukey SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 898	Posted - 2014.05.22 11:44:00 - [14] - Quote Atiim wrote: So basically a +20% / -5% profile? Not only is that worse than the Combat Rifle (currently at -5% /+10%), it wouldn't be a specialized weapon in the first place. My Caldari and Minmatar suits don't have 300HP of armor. You know, the ones that the Scrambler Rifles are supposed to kill? CR gets -5%/+25% at pro 4, better than SCR. The total bonus will be equal. RR is -10%/+25% thats a 35% difference, the SCR will only get 25% difference. I don't know how to explain but you get whatimsayin?
CharacterNameWasTaken Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 2	Posted - 2014.05.22 13:06:00 - [15] - Quote wrong plc/flaylock are the least used
Sir Dukey SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 898	Posted - 2014.05.22 14:36:00 - [16] - Quote CharacterNameWasTaken wrote: wrong plc/flaylock are the least used. I use scrambler all of the time. out of rifles.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 13620	Posted - 2014.05.22 14:48:00 - [17] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: CharacterNameWasTaken wrote: wrong plc/flaylock are the least used. I use scrambler all of the time. out of rifles. Title says 'in the game'. Also, the SCR is the least used because it requires a modicum of trigger discipline and unlike the other rifles punishes you for being bad. This leads to bads either not using it or whining incessantly about how terrible it is, even if it's actually a very good weapon. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Cross Atu for CPM1
Izlare Lenix Arrogance. Dark Taboo 585	Posted - 2014.05.22 15:04:00 - [18] - Quote I still love the CRW. I use it 90% of the time and often get 25-30 kills with few deaths running my cal scout. It melts most scouts and some medium frames. I still have issues with brick tanked logis and heavies. The thing with the ScR is EVRY shoot counts, if you suck at aiming you will double suck with the ScR. It is a precision weapon, not a spray and pray weapon. And the charge shot is very nice if you use it properly. I never use it when the target is 40m or closer. The overheat gets you killed too often so you need to learn discipline with the ScR especially the charge shot. Lastly you need to be really good at switching back and forth between the ScR and your sidearm. Otherwise you will overheat all the time resulting in aggravating deaths. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
2Berries Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 146	Posted - 2014.05.22 15:21:00 - [19] - Quote There is nothing wrong with the SCR. It is a beautiful weapon and is insanely effective in the right hands. I run it on my cal scout & seem to have more success with it thqn the rail rifle. King nailed it with the trigger control comment, but missed with the suggestion to never charge your shots. If you can dip in & out of sight, those charged shots can cause panic. The SCR is the reason everyone armor tanks. I am the cool. Shamma lamma mu mu
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 13621	Posted - 2014.05.22 15:28:00 - [20] - Quote 2Berries wrote: There is nothing wrong with the SCR. It is a beautiful weapon and is insanely effective in the right hands. I run it on my cal scout & seem to have more success with it thqn the rail rifle. King nailed it with the trigger control comment, but missed with the suggestion to never charge your shots. If you can dip in & out of sight, those charged shots can cause panic. The SCR is the reason everyone armor tanks. I don't think it's quite the reason everyone armour tanks but it's a wonderful weapon. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Cross Atu for CPM1

CRNWLLC Screwy Rabbit ULC 293	Posted - 2014.05.22 16:20:00 - [21] - Quote I've been running a Cal Assault BPO with a 'Templar' ScR and have been doing better than I expected. A few things I've noticed: The scope zooms sufficiently to target anything up to 80m, which is roughly its maximum range and which is only outdone by the RR. However unlike the RR, it doesn't require charging before shooting. Also, the scope benefits from AA, which makes hitting far-away targets a little more practical. Optional high-DPS or alpha (charged). It's pretty easy to pull R1 8 - 10 times a second, so 500 - 600 RPM is attainable. Coupled with the highest per-round damage/tier and the fact that even with a 20% penalty to armor, a standard ScR still does 52 damage/shot, the thing's a beast. Don't forget the 350% bonus to headshots, which makes charged rounds to the face almost guaranteed insta-kills for anything smaller than a heavy. Swapping to an SMG once shields are down (assuming you're close enough) or reloading frequently are both very effective ways to mitigate heat buildup. ScRs only take 2.5s to reload sans skills, and have large clips. Also, if you're using charged shots, your ammo lasts a lot longer. I dunno, I've been enjoying it. Definitely helps my gun game more than the AR.
V1RONXSS AL0NE Inc. 11	Posted - 2014.05.22 16:34:00 - [22] - Quote Its still OP in comparsion to Tactical Assault Rifle u mean ;)
Izlare Lenix Arrogance. Dark Taboo 586	Posted - 2014.05.22 16:48:00 - [23] - Quote V1RONXSS wrote: Its still OP in comparsion to Tactical Assault Rifle u mean ;) The TAC AR is garbage, everyone knows that, but the ScR is far from OP. The OP award goes to the CR/ASCR and cloaked shotguns. These weapons are closely followed by the hmg. Watching the kill feed is very repetitive these days. The CR, hmg and shotgun are most common and of course tanks. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
Sir Dukey SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 899	Posted - 2014.05.22 16:54:00 - [24] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: V1RONXSS wrote: Its still OP in comparsion to Tactical Assault Rifle u mean ;) The TAC AR is garbage, everyone knows that, but the ScR is far from OP. The OP award goes to the CR/ASCR and cloaked shotguns. These weapons are closely followed by the hmg. Watching the kill feed is very repetitive these days. The CR, hmg and shotgun are most common and of course tanks. scrambler rifle is as rare if not rarer than the plasma cannon.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 13630	Posted - 2014.05.22 17:04:00 - [25] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Izlare Lenix wrote: V1RONXSS wrote: Its still OP in comparsion to Tactical Assault Rifle u mean ;) The TAC AR is garbage, everyone knows that, but the ScR is far from OP. The OP award goes to the CR/ASCR and cloaked shotguns. These weapons are closely followed by the hmg. Watching the kill feed is very repetitive these days. The CR, hmg and shotgun are most common and of course tanks. scrambler rifle is as rare if not rarer than the plasma cannon. No, it really isn't. Recent market statistics show that seven times as many scramblers were bought compared to plasma cannons. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Cross Atu for CPM1
Lordsmash Dead Man's Game 22	Posted - 2014.05.22 17:04:00 - [26] - Quote I use the Scrambler Rifle almost exclusively over any other primary weapon. Sure, armour is annoying to blast through, but it's really the only light weapon I like using. Favourite weapon: Scrambler Rifle
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property 8781	Posted - 2014.05.22 17:14:00 - [27] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: No, it really isn't. Recent market statistics show that seven times as many scramblers were bought compared to plasma cannons. Seven times zero is still zero. HvLP Spreadsheet Warrior Why Do Slayers Get All The Credit? :( -HAND
CrotchGrab 360 Commando Perkone Caldari State 1499	Posted - 2014.05.22 17:47:00 - [28] - Quote because everybody armour tanks there's no point. when you're a playing an amarr heavy with 700hp and a CRW or CRD and a scout with as much HP as you is dancing around you with the combat rifle you know it's time to give up. I completely abandoned my character because people INSIST on breaking this game by spamming ******* combat rifles and scouts........ nobody uses a weapon which does damage to shields because nobody is using shields. DUST VIDEOS
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries 9868	Posted - 2014.05.22 17:57:00 - [29] - Quote Does the plasma cannon not count as a weapon? Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Final Resolution. 1889	Posted - 2014.05.22 18:02:00 - [30] - Quote Is this thread suggesting that the Scrambler Rifle is used less than a Breach/Tactical Plasma Rifle, Plasma Cannon, Laser Rifle, Ion Pistol, or Nova Knife? I see a lot more Scrambler Rifles than the above. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"

Ryme Intrinseca The Rainbow Effect 1245	Posted - 2014.05.22 18:09:00 - [31] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Is this thread suggesting that the Scrambler Rifle is used less than a Breach/Tactical Plasma Rifle, Plasma Cannon, Laser Rifle, Ion Pistol, or Nova Knife? I see a lot more Scrambler Rifles than the above. Also: Flaylock Bolt Pistol Contact Grenade
Vell0cet Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad. 2097	Posted - 2014.05.22 18:12:00 - [32] - Quote Shields need a buff. That is the best way to buff the ScR (also the AR). Best PvE idea ever!
skippy678 The Phoenix Federation Caps and Mercs 2475	Posted - 2014.05.22 18:13:00 - [33] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Is it because it is only good on an Amarr Assault? Is it also because 80% of the Dust player base tanks more armor than shield even on caldari and minmitar suits? Is it because the overhear is more noticeable because damage reduction makes it so you have to take more shots? Is it because it does only 80% damage to armor? Is it because it get's you killed now unlike 1.7? How do do you improve this weapon? suggestions: -110% damage to shield 90% to armor -change proficiency so it gives bonus damage to not other tank type (3% damage to armor per level in SCR proficiency) Because everyone that tries it does so without the amarr assault or maybe with it at level 1. Level 5 in the ScR and the Amarr Assault makes a great combo that is really fun. The other issue is the Amarr assault just seems a little bit broken, but Im not sure in what way. very true. I have used it with and without the amarr assault and that baby can over heat really fast however it is my first choice of weapon. My Youtube Lvl. 2 Forum Warrior Follow:@skippy6gaming #BetaVet
Mordecai Sanguine What The French Red Whines. 689	Posted - 2014.05.22 18:53:00 - [34] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Is it because it is only good on an Amarr Assault? Is it also because 80% of the Dust player base tanks more armor than shield even on caldari and minmitar suits? Is it because the overhear is more noticeable because damage reduction makes it so you have to take more shots? Is it because it does only 80% damage to armor? Is it because it get's you killed now unlike 1.7? How do do you improve this weapon? suggestions: -110% damage to shield 90% to armor -change proficiency so it gives bonus damage to not other tank type (3% damage to armor per level in SCR proficiency) - Armor tanking. - Prof changes. -Damager changes. - Damage nerf (10 damage per shot) Is what maded this weapon an obsolete one. To make it viable i'd say every Amarr suits should have native Overheat reduction. (10%) Actually Amarr dropsuits AND weapons are the less used. This would solve the Amarr dropsuits (At medium and Heavy/commando ) problem AND the amarr weapon problem.
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 2527	Posted - 2014.05.22 18:56:00 - [35] - Quote I love the weapon but i'm not specced into ammar assault or commando, as such I haven;t been able to use it since 1.8
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 13636	Posted - 2014.05.22 19:10:00 - [36] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: - Damage nerf (10 damage per shot) This is not correct. Not even the Viziam lost 10 damage. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Cross Atu for CPM1
echo47 Sacrilege of Fatal Arms 268	Posted - 2014.05.22 19:12:00 - [37] - Quote Why is Amarr SCR the least used weapon in the game? It has nothing to do with the damage profile or overheat. Basically it is not a weapon that can be sprayed. You actually have to aim and can't depend upon high ROF. There is less room for error. I would rather look bad and win, than look good and lose.
gauntlet44 LbowDeep Heaven84 Devils General Tso's Alliance 46	Posted - 2014.05.22 19:14:00 - [38] - Quote CRNWLLC wrote: I've been running a Cal Assault BPO with a 'Templar' ScR and have been doing better than I expected. A few things I've noticed: The scope zooms sufficiently to target anything up to 80m, which is roughly its maximum range and which is only outdone by the RR. However unlike the RR, it doesn't require charging before shooting. Also, the scope benefits from AA, which makes hitting far-away targets a little more practical. Optional high-DPS or alpha (charged). It's pretty easy to pull R1 8 - 10 times a second, so 500 - 600 RPM is attainable. Coupled with the highest per-round damage/tier and the fact that even with a 20% penalty to armor, a standard ScR still does 52 damage/shot, the thing's a beast. Don't forget the 350% bonus to headshots, which makes charged rounds to the face almost guaranteed insta-kills for anything smaller than a heavy. Swapping to an SMG once shields are down (assuming you're close enough) or reloading frequently are both very effective ways to mitigate heat buildup. ScRs only take 2.5s to reload sans skills, and have large clips. Also, if you're using charged shots, your ammo lasts a lot longer. I dunno, I've been enjoying it. Definitely helps my gun game more than the AR. you dont have to completely charge a shot either if you stagger the charge ( while charging heat meter still goes down) to the heat level the SCR is a beast if wishes were tank seats then blueberries would ride
DozersMouse XIII Inner.Hell 816	Posted - 2014.05.22 19:29:00 - [39] - Quote I use it on occasion if there is a pesky cal scout running around I run it on a dampened gal scout and 1 shot his ass don't harm the hamsters
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 749	Posted - 2014.05.22 20:04:00 - [40] - Quote The single shot / charge scrambler is an amazing weapon. It can still tear people apart at proto level with its high burst DPS. Anyone telling you otherwise is lying.

Lv2spd2 Slow And Old 338	Posted - 2014.05.22 20:31:00 - [41] - Quote You don't see it much any more because the turbo controller/trigger feathering crowd that were spamming it everywhere have moved on to the burst fire combat rifle or quit the game. They moved to the Boundless CR because they are the sort of players that demand to have the absolute MAX in light weapon DPS at all times. In the right hands the Viziam SCR is still more effective against armor than the Six Kin ACR. Viziam SCR does 71 base dmg per shot, has a max fire rate of 705.9 rpm (per dust wiki anyway) and does 80% dmg to armor regardless of proficiency. 71 X 705.9 = 50,118.9 dmg per minute 50,118.9 / 60 = 835.31 DPS 835.21 X .8 = 668.25 DPS vs Armor Six Kin ACR does 21 base dmg per shot, has a max fire rate of 1200 rpm (per dust wiki anyway) and does 110% dmg to armor. It then gains an addition 15% if you have full proficiency. 21 X 1200 = 25,200 dmg per minute 25,200 / 60 = 420 DPS 420 X 1.10 = 462 DPS then add proficiency 5 in too 462 X 1.15 = 531.3 DPS vs Armor The boundless CR on the other hand has all the same stats as the ACR but with a base dmg of 29.7. 29.7 X 1200 = 35,640 dmg per minute 35,640 / 60 = 594 DPS 594 X 1.1 = 653.4 then add proficiency 5 in too 653.4 X 1.15 = 751.41 DPS vs Armor 668.25 DPS to armor is really not that anemic, is it? But why would the max damage crowd use a light weapon that is anything other than the very highest possible DPS? Especially when that weapon also has the significant drawback of overheat. They were willing to put up with the overheat when it was the undisputed KING of light weapon DPS, but with the rise of the burst fire CR, the SCR has fallen out of favor.
Arcturis Vanguard Red Star. EoN. 107	Posted - 2014.05.22 21:08:00 - [42] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: deezy dabest wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Is it because it is only good on an Amarr Assault? Is it also because 80% of the Dust player base tanks more armor than shield even on caldari and minmitar suits? Is it because the overhear is more noticeable because damage reduction makes it so you have to take more shots? Is it because it does only 80% damage to armor? Is it because it get's you killed now unlike 1.7? How do do you improve this weapon? suggestions: -110% damage to shield 90% to armor -change proficiency so it gives bonus damage to not other tank type (3% damage to armor per level in SCR proficiency) Because everyone that tries it does so without the amarr assault or maybe with it at level 1. Level 5 in the ScR and the Amarr Assault makes a great combo that is really fun. The other issue is the Amarr assault just seems a little bit broken, but Im not sure in what way. All amarr suits are broken. They are suppose to be the highest HP in Armor but all gallante suits armor tank much much better than Amarr. The Assault is missing slots, since now Amarr suits are more focused toward armor its time to give the assault 2H/5L and amarr heavy with 1H/4L As an amarr assault and heavy, I would be pissed with those slot layouts especially the heavy. And the scrambler still melts kids even without the assault heat reduction. Land your shots and learn when to pull the trigger. Amarr Heavy_ Amarr Assault_ Caldari Scout
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10270	Posted - 2014.05.22 21:10:00 - [43] - Quote Luna McDuffing wrote: Using the scrambler rifle takes trigger discipline which most people don't have. Also, is an empire weapon. When you buy a scrambler you are supporting the empire. That kind of behavior is frown upon on this side of the galaxy. Filth like you don't deserve to touch out weapons. Markdown:
Sir Dukey SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 901	Posted - 2014.05.22 21:13:00 - [44] - Quote Lv2spd2 wrote: You don't see it much any more because the turbo controller/trigger feathering crowd that were spamming it everywhere have moved on to the burst fire combat rifle or quit the game. They moved to the Boundless CR because they are the sort of players that demand to have the absolute MAX in light weapon DPS at all times. In the right hands the Viziam SCR is still more effective against armor than the Six Kin ACR. Viziam SCR does 71 base dmg per shot, has a max fire rate of 705.9 rpm (per dust wiki anyway) and does 80% dmg to armor regardless of proficiency. 71 X 705.9 = 50,118.9 dmg per minute 50,118.9 / 60 = 835.31 DPS 835.21 X .8 = 668.25 DPS vs Armor Six Kin ACR does 21 base dmg per shot, has a max fire rate of 1200 rpm (per dust wiki anyway) and does 110% dmg to armor. It then gains an addition 15% if you have full proficiency. 21 X 1200 = 25,200 dmg per minute 25,200 / 60 = 420 DPS 420 X 1.10 = 462 DPS then add proficiency 5 in too 462 X 1.15 = 531.3 DPS vs Armor The boundless CR on the other hand has all the same stats as the ACR but with a base dmg of 29.7. 29.7 X 1200 = 35,640 dmg per minute 35,640 / 60 = 594 DPS 594 X 1.1 = 653.4 then add proficiency 5 in too 653.4 X 1.15 = 751.41 DPS vs Armor 668.25 DPS to armor is really not that anemic, is it? But why would the max damage crowd use a light weapon that is anything other than the very highest possible DPS? Especially when that weapon also has the significant drawback of overheat. They were willing to put up with the overheat when it was the undisputed KING of light weapon DPS, but with the rise of the burst fire CR, the SCR has fallen out of favor. barley anyone that plays fiar has a trigger finger faster than 400... That is if they play normal and dont have to use their whole hand to press the thing 700 time.
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property 8785	Posted - 2014.05.22 21:14:00 - [45] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Luna McDuffing wrote: Using the scrambler rifle takes trigger discipline which most people don't have. Also, is an empire weapon. When you buy a scrambler you are supporting the empire. That kind of behavior is frown upon on this side of the galaxy. Filth like you don't deserve to touch out weapons. Implying that your weapons are worth touching. HvLP Spreadsheet Warrior Why Do Slayers Get All The Credit? :( -HAND
Izlare Lenix Arrogance. Dark Taboo 587	Posted - 2014.05.22 21:14:00 - [46] - Quote Even a Viziam will overheat before you can kill a heavy with a brick tank. The overheat is most notable against high ehp targets. With the change to ttk and the nerf of damage mods the ScR has lost a lot of users because they overheat so much easier now. I run with a CRW almost all the time but I rarely engaged heavies unless I am at range because it takes too long to kill a heavy with a ScR, especially since I still have to switch to my smg or I will overheat. And an hmg shreds my cal scout in less than a second. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10271	Posted - 2014.05.22 21:35:00 - [47] - Quote Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: Luna McDuffing wrote: Using the scrambler rifle takes trigger discipline which most people don't have. Also, is an empire weapon. When you buy a scrambler you are supporting the empire. That kind of behavior is frown upon on this side of the galaxy. Filth like you don't deserve to touch out weapons. Implying that your weapons are worth touching. They used to be very balanced....not any more. Markdown:
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 13639	Posted - 2014.05.22 21:39:00 - [48] - Quote Lv2spd2 wrote: -snip- The SCR has never been a particularly popular weapon. Even at what I would say was its height in 1.6 it wasn't that popular. http://dust.thang.dk/market_historycategory.php You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Cross Atu for CPM1
CLONE117 True Pros Forever 790	Posted - 2014.05.22 21:39:00 - [49] - Quote laser is deadly.at proto. even to brick tanked heavies with over 1k armor. when fired upon at range. a scout melted through my 312 shields and 500 armor galmando with a std scr.the other day as well.from coming up and hitting me from the side. i got my revenge though. with an hmg whilst he ran away. dust 514 shall be eternal. pve for dust 514. oh look. FF somehow made dust better!.
PARKOUR PRACTIONER The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 1538	Posted - 2014.05.22 21:44:00 - [50] - Quote I use it. I hated it at first ONLY cause it took patience to use. So I decided to re-try the little brother. Got used to it, started to love it, then went to the SCR. I loved it. Waiting for the perfect moment to strike. Deciding its safer NOT to. Those charged headshots are epic. PSN SIL4NTCHAOZZ 10.2mil SP and can PC with the big boys Woooooo \m/ Minja Knifer AKA The Chef <===I- -I===>

Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect Dirt Nap Squad. 1654	Posted - 2014.05.22 21:56:00 - [51] - Quote Its still the most lethal weapon in this game ^^ but most people cannot use all the potential of the gun. Yeaaap...wish we were still on this build :p i have happy memories of this Vid of me and my Scrambler Rifle :p Link to Video Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 13644	Posted - 2014.05.22 22:01:00 - [52] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Its still the most lethal weapon in this game ^^ but most people cannot use all the potential of the gun. Yeaaap...wish we were still on this build :p i have happy memories of this Vid of me and my Scrambler Rifle :p Link to Video ******* GLORIOUS You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Cross Atu for CPM1
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 572	Posted - 2014.05.22 22:14:00 - [53] - Quote its because it requires dead aim to be very powerful and 80% of the playerbase has bad aim The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy"s will to be imposed upon him. Sun Tzu
Izlare Lenix Arrogance. Dark Taboo 591	Posted - 2014.05.22 23:12:00 - [54] - Quote CUSE TOWN333 wrote: its because it requires dead aim to be very powerful and 80% of the playerbase has bad aim This. Scrambler is a precision weapon not a spray and pray weapon. Hell I use the CRW all the time except those days when I'm off my game and my aim is **. On those days I switch back to my ez mode CR since both versions ** everything and have zero downsides as long as you have nanohives for ammo. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
Sir Dukey SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 904	Posted - 2014.05.23 01:56:00 - [55] - Quote Yoma Carrim wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Atiim wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: suggestions: -110% damage to shield 90% to armor -change proficiency so it gives bonus damage to not other tank type (3% damage to armor per level in SCR proficiency) No to the damage profile because that's already taken by the Hybrid- Plasma profile. No to the proficiency change because that will make it +10% / +15%, effectively removing the "sacrifice" in running one (which is what makes the Combat Rifle as broken as it is). It's either or so 120% shield, 95% armor, This should only happen to specialized weapons only. Specialized weapons like mass drivers, flay lock. Currently the SCR for me at PRO 4 does 138% damage to shields which is absolutely pointless considering the fact that almost all suits have over 300 armor. I have a cal logi with 506 shield and 112 armor who really dislikes you right now Sir Dukey. you are .01% of the population.
Sir Dukey SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 904	Posted - 2014.05.23 01:59:00 - [56] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: CUSE TOWN333 wrote: its because it requires dead aim to be very powerful and 80% of the playerbase has bad aim This. Scrambler is a precision weapon not a spray and pray weapon. Hell I use the CRW all the time except those days when I'm off my game and my aim is **. On those days I switch back to my ez mode CR since both versions ** everything and have zero downsides as long as you have nanohives for ammo. I can hit most of my shots but what's the point if it does less damage to armor than a gallante tac AR (it's suppose to but still it's sh*tty because 70% of suits have more armor than shield) and if you shoot fast than a tac Ar you overheat like a dog and are unable to sprint and unable to change weapon.
SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 178	Posted - 2014.05.23 02:22:00 - [57] - Quote I only recently started using the SCR on a Gellente Scout. Its great for hit and run tactics especially with a SMG with proficiency as a backup. I dont mind the 80% armor damage as it still does a decent amount. The 120% shield damage is enough to take down those pesky CalScouts All empires fall. We'll be watching, we'll be waiting. And our patience has born great fruits.
Cogadh Draco WarRavens Final Resolution. 20	Posted - 2014.05.23 04:29:00 - [58] - Quote I think of the ScR as a carbine with an overheat effect if shot too much or charge shot. I myself haven't used it much, but when I tried it out on lvl 1 operations in it's early builds, it was one hell of a killing weapon on militia-advanced users in comparison to ARs when they weren't soooo... 'Refurbished'. Now since it counts as a rail based weapon that doesn't get upgrades towards armor damage, most people wont try it. Nor do a lot of people have proper gun game to aim, but instead go for weapons with spray 'n pray effects(most of the time). Although it doesn't help my post because I use HMGs until I can spec into a different suit/weapon lol. But overall the ScR isn't crap, it's more of an... Assault sniper rifle really, you cant be a pray 'n sprayer with it. Damn you whoever started this thread, now I wanna spec further into it instead of the combat rifle lol.
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3121	Posted - 2014.05.23 07:03:00 - [59] - Quote If you need a specialised suit to utilise a weapon then its not worth it.
castba Penguin's March 435	Posted - 2014.05.23 07:07:00 - [60] - Quote Least used weapon? Lol, no. Least used rifle of the four main types? Sure.



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