The ability for scouts to passively scan wide areas for their squad means that they're essentially a walking, permanent wall hack for 5 other people. After the cloak change, the Gal scout will be able to see everything above 23.79db within 75m while being undetected himself (if he builds for it). The Cal scout will see everything above 14.91 for the same radius, which creates a barrier that most scouts can't enter unless they get torn to shreds by the 5 other people.

If you want Cal scouts to remain as the hunters of other scouts, then they should have to hunt down enemies themselves. So aside from removing the shared passive vision, I'd suggest the following changes (based loosely on Jebus' suggestions).

Cal scout: short range precision scout hunter
25% precision
25% reduction to nova knife charge time (nova knives are a cal weapon)

Gal scout: ghost
25% dampening
25% cloak regen

Min scout: hack and run
25% hacking speed (Min scouts get a higher base stat for this anyway, no need to buff it more)
10% bonus to biotics (with their high base melee damage and speed, this opens up a lot of options)
edit: Someone pointed out the numbers on +25% on biotics, so changed it to +10%

Ama scout: squad scan support, scans most suits except scouts
25% bonus to ferroscale and reactive plates (I've heard changing movement penalties is hard to make work, so this makes more sense)
25% scan range (gives Amarr their own E-war role and makes sense considering their weapon choices hit out to similar ranges)

Also, I'd like to note that while balancing around PC makes some sense considering it's the only full team vs full team mode right now, it has the issues of a limited map pool and limited playerbase. If they're serious about balance changes, I'd rather see full team FW enabled and have them take those figures into consideration too. FW is open to far more people and uses maps outside just the limited large socket selection.

Min scout: hack and run
25% hacking speed (Min scouts get a higher base stat for this anyway, no need to buff it more)
10% bonus to biotics (with their high base melee damage and speed, this opens up a lot of options)
edit: Someone pointed out the numbers on +25% on biotics, so changed it to +10%

1) What I really want is irrelevant. If this is your angle, it makes more sense to recast Nova Knives as Minmatar technology. The biotic bonuses you've proposed would no doubt be well received; but our current Minja Community are knifers by training and tactics; let them keep their knives. Mr Musturd and Cyrius Li-Moody (veteran Minmatar Scouts) are both in your corp. You should hit them up for input before sh!tting on them.

2) Recon Scouts are not causing balance issues. They are easily countered. They are extremely vulnerable. They are easily killed. And once the dampening bonus is removed from cloak, GalLogi's will pick up them up with near minimal effort. As for "benefit the strategy of how the game gets played?" I have no idea what that means.

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* I agree that CalScouts are at distinct advantage over Minmatar Scouts (and only Minmatar Scouts).
* I agree that Hotfix Alpha will reinforce this CalScout advantage over MinScout.
* Breaking everything to resolve one issue makes no sense; buff the MinScout, solve the problem.

true, but a gall logi, hiding in a corner with 4 scanners=20 seconds of scanning

NONONONONONONONONONONONO

Giving all scouts EZ mode unscannable is stupid and broken

You need to take the middle road and not fanatics who honestly wouldn't complain if all scouts just came unscannable and cloaks remained 90 seconds and all slots are available to use for other things.


This is absolutely ludicrous.

Minmatar are great up close assassins. Their high base melee and movement speed would be amazing if they could capitalize on it more. They also bring great utility in the form of their better base hacking speed, which is further improved by their hacking bonus.