DUST Search - Nurf The DAM Rail Guns

Gemini Cuspid wrote:

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

Exactly why do they need to be nerfed?

Lost all cred points at this stage. And no I'm not going into the whole forum posts and do a "copy and paste" of all the forum topics that have gone over this issue time and over again. But they all end with the central idea that RR has the most benefits and least detrimental aspects over all other overlapping weapons without any detrimental functionality. And EVEN if it's a med-long range weapon there's nothing that prevents it from being used as an upclose auto shotgun with less power and spread.

This is the same issue that players in MAG had where it was possible to take a sniper and use it as a shotgun because nothing prevented you from doing so. That's the conceptually flawed problem with the railgun: superior power, range, armor and shield piercing with no drawback at any range point. At least with a shotgun you can technically mitigate its effects by running back an shooting causing a player to avoid running straight at you to shorten the gap. This is not by far the case with the railgun and should always have had something that causes either hip fire and shooting at up-close to be horribly inaccurate for it being a superior med to long rage weapon with its higher base and damage output.

And no it's not a whine BECAUSE THESE EFFIN FACKS HAVE BEEN POSTED MULTIPLE TIMES AND EVERYONE SEEMS TO BE HORRIBLE AT MATH TO ACCEPT IT Shocked

And no I'm not going to do the homework for anyone who says anyone complaining about whiners on this topic are moronic because ITS BEEN POSTED SEVERAL TIMES DOZENS OVER!!!

If the railgun wasn't so overtly more powerful than other weapons then you'd see a greater combo of laser, assault and mass drivers out there but no you see shotguns, railguns and combat rifles as the main weapons that kill all infantry. This has been always as much as an issue as tripple hardeners on maddys and it gets whiteknighted so much that it's what ultimately hurts Dust.

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Asb161 G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 12	Posted - 2014.05.22 01:25:00 - [1] - Quote Nurf The DAM Rail Guns That is all it sucks seeing a sica with a matlia rail gun take out a madgura with proto blaster complex heavy rep and complex hardener get taken out in 2 or 3 shots.
Espartoi Orkz Clan 192	Posted - 2014.05.22 01:34:00 - [2] - Quote Nurf, madgura, matlia am learning new words. 'Ere We Go: Orkz in Dust.
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property 8761	Posted - 2014.05.22 01:39:00 - [3] - Quote If your in a Madrugar with an 80GJ Ion Cannon and find yourself being consistently killed by a Sica with a MLT 80GJ Railgun, you might be a scrub. HvLP Spreadsheet Warrior Why Do Slayers Get All The Credit? :( -HAND
Medical Crash Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 348	Posted - 2014.05.22 01:39:00 - [4] - Quote Oh PLEASE nerf Damage Mods, RailGun saps would be NOTHING without DMG mods. Without mods my Missiles will wreck.
Scheneighnay McBob T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan 5072	Posted - 2014.05.22 01:42:00 - [5] - Quote Obvious troll is obvious Observe the amount of f*cks given
Leeroy Gannarsein Legio DXIV 209	Posted - 2014.05.22 02:06:00 - [6] - Quote Atiim wrote: If your in a Madrugar with an 80GJ Ion Cannon and find yourself being consistently killed by a Sica with a MLT 80GJ Railgun, you might be a scrub. God, if you're consistently getting soloed by a Sica there's no 'might' about it. MY ACTUAL NAME IS LORHAK It would seem like wisdom, but for the warning in my heart... CCP BLOWOUT FOR CPM1
vlad stoich Heaven's Lost Property 29	Posted - 2014.05.22 02:13:00 - [7] - Quote Lets ask a better question. Is there anything that shouldn't be nerfed? All the b!tching and whining,,nerf this , nerf that. Nerf team work, nerf the combat rifle , nerf tanks, nerf rail rifles, nerf heavies, nerf scouts, nerf AV. Holy sh!t NERF ALL THE B!TCHING AND WHINING. With all do respect of course.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 778	Posted - 2014.05.22 03:59:00 - [8] - Quote Atiim wrote: If your in a Madrugar with an 80GJ Ion Cannon and find yourself being consistently killed by a Sica with a MLT 80GJ Railgun, you might be a scrub. You know better than that ... double damage mods will three to four shot that to pieces . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 778	Posted - 2014.05.22 04:01:00 - [9] - Quote vlad stoich wrote: Lets ask a better question. Is there anything that shouldn't be nerfed? All the b!tching and whining,,nerf this , nerf that. Nerf team work, nerf the combat rifle , nerf tanks, nerf rail rifles, nerf heavies, nerf scouts, nerf AV. Holy sh!t NERF ALL THE B!TCHING AND WHINING. With all do respect of course. This is Dust 514 forums you know and this is part of the reason that the game is in the condition that it's in right now . I don't like it either and makes no sense but it's where we are right now . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 778	Posted - 2014.05.22 04:03:00 - [10] - Quote Medical Crash wrote: Oh PLEASE nerf Damage Mods, RailGun saps would be NOTHING without DMG mods. Without mods my Missiles will wreck. Sounds about right . I keep saying thirty percent is just too much . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .

Vitharr Foebane Heaven's Lost Property 1244	Posted - 2014.05.22 04:08:00 - [11] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Medical Crash wrote: Oh PLEASE nerf Damage Mods, RailGun saps would be NOTHING without DMG mods. Without mods my Missiles will wreck. Sounds about right . I keep saying thirty percent is just too much . if you nerf rail dmg mods what is left to stop triple rep maddies? Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics III I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 778	Posted - 2014.05.22 04:26:00 - [12] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Medical Crash wrote: Oh PLEASE nerf Damage Mods, RailGun saps would be NOTHING without DMG mods. Without mods my Missiles will wreck. Sounds about right . I keep saying thirty percent is just too much . if you nerf rail dmg mods what is left to stop triple rep maddies? It's clear that the whole system needs to be reworked again . Fact of the matter is during 1.6 they were not that far off and did not have to totally rework vehicles . They were trying to make then more accessible and beginner user friendly where you didn't have to make an investment to get a positive outcome which was and is @$$ backwards . Every role should be more effective if your placing SP's into that role and not just acquiring the shell and be just as effective with that shell and not the tools that go into that shell .... it should take the tools as well to make the role effective . Not just the a prototype suit with basic or advanced mods and material and not just the turrets and hulls without the core intact . That's instant gratification ... reward without the work which is killing the definition of roles in this game . There should be no quick fix and if your not as effective than you should have to work until you become effective and that's that . People whine when they have to work for something , they want to have instant access and gratification as well and that's catering to a child's mentality . Now they have to re-break what they re-broke to get the results that will lead to balance . Just @$$ backwards . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Super Sniper95 Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance 130	Posted - 2014.05.22 04:30:00 - [13] - Quote You know what CCP really should nerf? The forums, nerf the forums! The place where all the "nerf this, nerf that" topics starts. Sniper Rifle 4life 0/ Longest kill 599.99 meters SR optimization lvl 5 \0/ I dont need Thales to hit 40/0.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10266	Posted - 2014.05.22 04:30:00 - [14] - Quote Atiim wrote: If your in a Madrugar with an 80GJ Ion Cannon and find yourself being consistently killed by a Sica with a MLT 80GJ Railgun, you might be a scrub. Meh MLT Tanks are significantly more viable than STD just because of pure ISK efficiency. Since you get a nice 30% damage buff on the Railgun...you don't even need skill. I'm surprised tankers survive when a Sica pilot hits the field. Markdown:
Defy Gravity 413	Posted - 2014.05.22 04:54:00 - [15] - Quote Atiim wrote: If your in a Madrugar with an 80GJ Ion Cannon and find yourself being consistently killed by a Sica with a MLT 80GJ Railgun, you might be a scrub. Actually all it takes is a *** with a double damage mod sica to solo anybody. I've destroyed plenty of ion cannons/particle cannons with this cheap fit If I kill you in game, look for a confirmation that says "I Just Killed You"
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15162	Posted - 2014.05.22 04:59:00 - [16] - Quote Exactly why do they need to be nerfed? CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Espartoi Orkz Clan 196	Posted - 2014.05.22 05:01:00 - [17] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Exactly why do they need to be nerfed? I was thinking about what is nurfing. 'Ere We Go: Orkz in Dust.
Thumb Green The Valyrian Guard 1089	Posted - 2014.05.22 05:09:00 - [18] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Exactly why do they need to be nerfed? Because they can kill a tank. Can't say I'm all that surprised.
Gemini Cuspid Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 69	Posted - 2014.05.22 05:11:00 - [19] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Exactly why do they need to be nerfed? Lost all cred points at this stage. And no I'm not going into the whole forum posts and do a "copy and paste" of all the forum topics that have gone over this issue time and over again. But they all end with the central idea that RR has the most benefits and least detrimental aspects over all other overlapping weapons without any detrimental functionality. And EVEN if it's a med-long range weapon there's nothing that prevents it from being used as an upclose auto shotgun with less power and spread. This is the same issue that players in MAG had where it was possible to take a sniper and use it as a shotgun because nothing prevented you from doing so. That's the conceptually flawed problem with the railgun: superior power, range, armor and shield piercing with no drawback at any range point. At least with a shotgun you can technically mitigate its effects by running back an shooting causing a player to avoid running straight at you to shorten the gap. This is not by far the case with the railgun and should always have had something that causes either hip fire and shooting at up-close to be horribly inaccurate for it being a superior med to long rage weapon with its higher base and damage output. And no it's not a whine BECAUSE THESE EFFIN FACKS HAVE BEEN POSTED MULTIPLE TIMES AND EVERYONE SEEMS TO BE HORRIBLE AT MATH TO ACCEPT IT And no I'm not going to do the homework for anyone who says anyone complaining about whiners on this topic are moronic because ITS BEEN POSTED SEVERAL TIMES DOZENS OVER!!! If the railgun wasn't so overtly more powerful than other weapons then you'd see a greater combo of laser, assault and mass drivers out there but no you see shotguns, railguns and combat rifles as the main weapons that kill all infantry. This has been always as much as an issue as tripple hardeners on maddys and it gets whiteknighted so much that it's what ultimately hurts Dust.
vlad stoich Heaven's Lost Property 35	Posted - 2014.05.22 07:35:00 - [20] - Quote Gemini Cuspid wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Exactly why do they need to be nerfed? Lost all cred points at this stage. And no I'm not going into the whole forum posts and do a "copy and paste" of all the forum topics that have gone over this issue time and over again. But they all end with the central idea that RR has the most benefits and least detrimental aspects over all other overlapping weapons without any detrimental functionality. And EVEN if it's a med-long range weapon there's nothing that prevents it from being used as an upclose auto shotgun with less power and spread. This is the same issue that players in MAG had where it was possible to take a sniper and use it as a shotgun because nothing prevented you from doing so. That's the conceptually flawed problem with the railgun: superior power, range, armor and shield piercing with no drawback at any range point. At least with a shotgun you can technically mitigate its effects by running back an shooting causing a player to avoid running straight at you to shorten the gap. This is not by far the case with the railgun and should always have had something that causes either hip fire and shooting at up-close to be horribly inaccurate for it being a superior med to long rage weapon with its higher base and damage output. And no it's not a whine BECAUSE THESE EFFIN FACKS HAVE BEEN POSTED MULTIPLE TIMES AND EVERYONE SEEMS TO BE HORRIBLE AT MATH TO ACCEPT IT And no I'm not going to do the homework for anyone who says anyone complaining about whiners on this topic are moronic because ITS BEEN POSTED SEVERAL TIMES DOZENS OVER!!! If the railgun wasn't so overtly more powerful than other weapons then you'd see a greater combo of laser, assault and mass drivers out there but no you see shotguns, railguns and combat rifles as the main weapons that kill all infantry. This has been always as much as an issue as tripple hardeners on maddys and it gets whiteknighted so much that it's what ultimately hurts Dust. Good story bro. But I could have swore the topic was RAIL GUNS, as in tanks. Not rail rifles. Way to stay on topic and ride it out. Beat that dead horse some more.

Operative 1125 Lokaas True Companion Planetary Requisitions 201	Posted - 2014.05.22 08:16:00 - [21] - Quote Leeroy Gannarsein wrote: Atiim wrote: If your in a Madrugar with an 80GJ Ion Cannon and find yourself being consistently killed by a Sica with a MLT 80GJ Railgun, you might be a scrub. God, if you're consistently getting soloed by a Sica there's no 'might' about it. Lol, the scrub is the one NOT in the rail sica? My non-tanker character in the redline sica says "WRONG!" THIS IS THE VOICE OF RÁN
anaboop NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 84	Posted - 2014.05.22 08:21:00 - [22] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Exactly why do they need to be nerfed? Getting 3 shoted in a gunnlogi by a rail, isnt much fun. You have no time to react no chance to fight back and since any tom **** or harry can bring one in to take you out then run to redline and recall. How is that fair in any retrospective. Either, reduce damage, 2 shots should overheat it, 3 or 4 bullets in clip then reload, damage mods giving less to rails. Its just something so u have a chance to fight back. As it is now is a joke. I would rather go up against a heavy with a toxin better odds on killing him, nades plus speed gives u a chance to kill him or to distract him for a friendly to assist u. Fully sick Anaboop trading card
Asb161 G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 13	Posted - 2014.05.22 12:40:00 - [23] - Quote Tanks Were way more funner before the 1.8 update its was way funner more creative and way more balanced than 1.8 tanks (Sorry My Spellings is Not Good)
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3117	Posted - 2014.05.22 13:55:00 - [24] - Quote Asb161 wrote: Tanks Were way more funner before the 1.8 update its was way funner more creative and way more balanced than 1.8 tanks (Sorry My Spellings is Not Good) Hell no tanks where literally godmode vs infantry and they could shot each others with blaster and nothing would happend except that their guns overheat.
Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1750	Posted - 2014.05.22 14:12:00 - [25] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Exactly why do they need to be nerfed? Because they have no drawbacks. They are excellent at any range. Coupled with damage mods (which should also be nerfed to 10%), they will 2-3 shot anything. The overheat mechanic never even comes to play, because everything dies before overheat. The railgun is as unbalanced as if shotguns had no spread and had optimal ranges out to 100m. Damage mods simply need to be nerfed and railguns need to have a range profile like the laser rifle. 100% from 200-300m, down to 50% at 100m and finally 30% at 50m. They are supposed to be ranged weapons, not CQC auto shotguns with highest DPS. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
H0riz0n Unlimit Nexus Balusa Horizon 22	Posted - 2014.05.22 14:16:00 - [26] - Quote The reallity is that we all want a 100% dam mode only for militia tanks so i can play with a particel cannon sica Usavo madrugar 3 riparatori prima che fosse mainstream - i use 3 reps madrugar before it was mainstream
H0riz0n Unlimit Nexus Balusa Horizon 22	Posted - 2014.05.22 14:19:00 - [27] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Exactly why do they need to be nerfed? Are you joking? Have you ever played dust514 till march? Usavo madrugar 3 riparatori prima che fosse mainstream - i use 3 reps madrugar before it was mainstream
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 783	Posted - 2014.05.22 21:19:00 - [28] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Exactly why do they need to be nerfed? Because they have no drawbacks. They are excellent at any range. Coupled with damage mods (which should also be nerfed to 10%), they will 2-3 shot anything. The overheat mechanic never even comes to play, because everything dies before overheat. The railgun is as unbalanced as if shotguns had no spread and had optimal ranges out to 100m. Damage mods simply need to be nerfed and railguns need to have a range profile like the laser rifle. 100% from 200-300m, down to 50% at 100m and finally 30% at 50m. They are supposed to be ranged weapons, not CQC auto shotguns with highest DPS. Spot fracking on . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
CLONE117 True Pros Forever 790	Posted - 2014.05.22 21:33:00 - [29] - Quote railgun can easily be out down by a blaster in cqc.. just about everything will move faster than the rate the rail turret can turn. which is why its better to use it at range. dmg mods going from 30 to 20% could be acceptable though. dust 514 shall be eternal. pve for dust 514. oh look. FF somehow made dust better!.
Albyat Tyre Glitched Connection 36	Posted - 2014.05.22 21:36:00 - [30] - Quote Super Sniper95 wrote: You know what CCP really should nerf? The forums, nerf the forums! The place where all the "nerf this, nerf that" topics starts. Maybe they should make us play with NERF guns and NERF footballs as grenades, or we could run around with NERF swords beating each other in the heads until all clones have concussions. Wouldn't that be a fun game to play. Did all these people who want things nerfed get wrapped up by their mommies to go outside to play? Freakin' cry babies. Shut up and Fight. To live as one shall live, I prefer killing red dots.



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