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spud buddy Da Short Buss Driving School 9	Posted - 2014.05.20 05:07:00 - [1] - Quote so I recently started playing and I have to say I really love what ccp did with the game tanks and heavies designed to need 3-4 people to kill them is some brilliant tactitioning, if you run 4 tanks, all covering each other, the enemy team needs 13-16 players to fight them off all running AV, it's so ***** legit that leaves 0 players on the enemy team left to deal with the other 12 players on your team who are running other . Likewise it takes like 2-4 people to kill a heavy so if you have 4 heavies and say 2 logis BAM, that forces the enemy team to group up on you 16-6 leaving you with 10 teammates to do literally whatever the ** they want uncontested. It's brilliant role-based balancing completely ignorant of team population restrictions
Operative 1125 Lokaas True Companion Planetary Requisitions 188	Posted - 2014.05.20 05:10:00 - [2] - Quote Troll or did you not get the memo? THIS IS THE VOICE OF RÁN
spud buddy Da Short Buss Driving School 9	Posted - 2014.05.20 05:14:00 - [3] - Quote nonsense it's great, I love to see what devs do when they work on the first real game they've ever actually tried to make the weirdest and most illogical **** happens ;)
MINA Longstrike 770	Posted - 2014.05.20 06:13:00 - [4] - Quote Clearly you have never driven a vehicle into 3-4 people with non militia AV. Nor have you used a heavy without logi support. What you are complaining about is teamwork and that's the type of ** that should goomba stomp people. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.** I have a few alts.
danie braz Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 30	Posted - 2014.05.20 06:24:00 - [5] - Quote spud buddy wrote: so I recently started playing and I have to say I really love what ccp did with the game tanks and heavies designed to need 3-4 people to kill them is some brilliant tactitioning, if you run 4 tanks, all covering each other, the enemy team needs 13-16 players to fight them off all running AV, it's so ***** legit that leaves 0 players on the enemy team left to deal with the other 12 players on your team who are running other . Likewise it takes like 2-4 people to kill a heavy so if you have 4 heavies and say 2 logis BAM, that forces the enemy team to group up on you 16-6 leaving you with 10 teammates to do literally whatever the ** they want uncontested. It's brilliant role-based balancing completely ignorant of team population restrictions Tanks, call a rail tank. Heavies, call a cloaked scout. Forum trolls get no doughnuts or likes.
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2497	Posted - 2014.05.20 09:30:00 - [6] - Quote Here is the solution to all your problems. Cloaked scouts with shotguns, res, and flux grenades. You have AV and AI taken care of.
RogueTrooper 2000AD RoyaLBanKof 62	Posted - 2014.05.20 10:30:00 - [7] - Quote spud buddy wrote: nonsense it's great, I love to see what devs do when they work on the first real game they've ever actually tried to make the weirdest and most illogical **** happens ;) So much fail. I am glad you are enjoying it though. I'm not usually this nice either. Your newbyness has touched my heart. Dust.......the most immersive and meaningful mmofps ehever.
Velociraptor antirrhopus Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 78	Posted - 2014.05.20 11:21:00 - [8] - Quote you lost me at "logis with leashes on their dogs are as unfair as tanks" a single scout can kill one or more logis that are repping heavies, then turn around and kill the heavies too GûéGûäGûà /Gûî /Gûî /Gûî Gûî GûêGûêGûàGûâGûé IGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûê] GùÑGèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGùñn++
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property 8724	Posted - 2014.05.20 11:25:00 - [9] - Quote I find it funny how people are saying "use REs and Fluxes!" when I've done math proving that you have to be mentally challenged to fall for that. I guess that just shows the average IQ of the pilot community... *Insert Witty Gameplay Remark Here* Why Do Slayers Get All The Credit? :( -HAND
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 761	Posted - 2014.05.20 13:47:00 - [10] - Quote Atiim wrote: I find it funny how people are saying "use REs and Fluxes!" when I've done math proving that you have to be mentally challenged to fall for that. I guess that just shows the average IQ of the pilot community... Can your math debunk the FACT that it actually works . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .

spud buddy Da Short Buss Driving School 14	Posted - 2014.05.20 13:49:00 - [11] - Quote Atiim wrote: I find it funny how people are saying "use REs and Fluxes!" when I've done math proving that you have to be mentally challenged to fall for that. I guess that just shows the average IQ of the pilot community... it is pretty hilarious people think that works against anything but the most dumbass tank pilots imaginable. especially considering tanks can outrun swarm missile launcher attacks, let alone some slow ass cloaked infantry who require you to NOT drive your tank for like 10-15 seconds to be able to get set up 3-4 REs and a flux grenade to kill you with
knight of 6 Sver true blood Dirt Nap Squad. 1954	Posted - 2014.05.20 14:29:00 - [12] - Quote LT SHANKS wrote: Here is the solution to all your problems. Cloaked scouts with shotguns, res, and flux grenades. You have AV and AI taken care of. cloaked scouts aren't a brilliant counter to heavys, all suits have the same turn speed and the HMG does good work in cqc. your best bet for removing heavys is a medium long range weapon that can get outside the HMG's effective range and still put good dps on target. my gif is gone, DINKLEBURG!! Ko6, scout
spud buddy Da Short Buss Driving School 14	Posted - 2014.05.20 14:39:00 - [13] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: cloaked scouts aren't a brilliant counter to heavys, all suits have the same turn speed and the HMG does good work in cqc. your best bet for removing heavys is a medium long range weapon that can get outside the HMG's effective range and still put good dps on target. cloaked scouts at best are functional against heavies. And while it's true your only real bet against heavies is outranging them, given the nature of objectives in this game that is rarely an option you can decide on outside of the ambush gamemode where everyone has to funnel onto points for control of the hill wherein only CQC exists. in my experience anyways, so you're forced to heavy/logi or cross your fingers and hope you get lucky with a scout/shotty combo
RYN0CER0S Rise Of Old Dudes 347	Posted - 2014.05.20 14:46:00 - [14] - Quote Get yourself a Forge Gun. OHK Heavies and Scouts. Get on a rooftop and blap tanks. Then infantry. Problems solved. Plus, you get some of the best ragdoll effects in the game. (Heavies DO fly!) PSN: The_Rynoceros Destiny = Biomass Console Master Race
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2616	Posted - 2014.05.20 14:47:00 - [15] - Quote NO ERROR OF MARGIN ALT DETECTED
Laurent Cazaderon What The French Red Whines. 2330	Posted - 2014.05.20 14:56:00 - [16] - Quote Joel II X wrote: NO ERROR OF MARGIN ALT DETECTED LOLED Here they are, and they brought a Trooooooooooooooooooll !
spud buddy Da Short Buss Driving School 14	Posted - 2014.05.20 15:00:00 - [17] - Quote RYN0CER0S wrote: Get yourself a Forge Gun. OHK Heavies and Scouts. Get on a rooftop and blap tanks. Then infantry. Problems solved. Plus, you get some of the best ragdoll effects in the game. (Heavies DO fly!) you know what, I might as well give forges a shot maybe they're the smoking gun I havn't noticed
CRNWLLC Screwy Rabbit ULC 290	Posted - 2014.05.20 15:19:00 - [18] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: LT SHANKS wrote: Here is the solution to all your problems. Cloaked scouts with shotguns, res, and flux grenades. You have AV and AI taken care of. cloaked scouts aren't a brilliant counter to heavys, all suits have the same turn speed and the HMG does good work in cqc. your best bet for removing heavys is a medium long range weapon that can get outside the HMG's effective range and still put good dps on target. cough Scrambler rifle... cough
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property 8730	Posted - 2014.05.20 15:33:00 - [19] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Atiim wrote: I find it funny how people are saying "use REs and Fluxes!" when I've done math proving that you have to be mentally challenged to fall for that. I guess that just shows the average IQ of the pilot community... Can your math debunk the ANECDOTE that it actually works ? Fixed. Not only is that not a fact, It has yet to work on me (or any other competent tanker); meaning no it doesn't "actually work". *Insert Witty Gameplay Remark Here* Why Do Slayers Get All The Credit? :( -HAND
Proto Annihilator 16 Vandals 192	Posted - 2014.05.20 15:57:00 - [20] - Quote Atiim wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Atiim wrote: I find it funny how people are saying "use REs and Fluxes!" when I've done math proving that you have to be mentally challenged to fall for that. I guess that just shows the average IQ of the pilot community... Can your math debunk the ANECDOTE that it actually works ? Fixed. Not only is that not a fact, It has yet to work on me (or any other competent tanker); meaning no it doesn't "actually work". The trick is to place them like a proximity and wait.

knight of 6 Sver true blood Dirt Nap Squad. 1955	Posted - 2014.05.20 16:57:00 - [21] - Quote CRNWLLC wrote: knight of 6 wrote: LT SHANKS wrote: Here is the solution to all your problems. Cloaked scouts with shotguns, res, and flux grenades. You have AV and AI taken care of. cloaked scouts aren't a brilliant counter to heavys, all suits have the same turn speed and the HMG does good work in cqc. your best bet for removing heavys is a medium long range weapon that can get outside the HMG's effective range and still put good dps on target. cough Scrambler rifle... cough or a rail rifle depending on the heavy type (SCr for dari/mini, RR for Gal/Amarr) my gif is gone, DINKLEBURG!! Ko6, scout
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 837	Posted - 2014.05.20 17:04:00 - [22] - Quote If I can't rep through Proto AV, how do you expect me to do my job? - Pilot * Eats chips * Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
spud buddy Da Short Buss Driving School 17	Posted - 2014.05.20 17:41:00 - [23] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: or a rail rifle depending on the heavy type (SCr for dari/mini, RR for Gal/Amarr) and thus the question is raised... which heavy dropsuits are the most frequently used at the proto level?
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 13547	Posted - 2014.05.20 17:45:00 - [24] - Quote Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: you lost me at "logis with leashes on their dogs are as unfair as tanks" a single scout can kill one or more logis that are repping heavies, then turn around and kill the heavies too Not unless the heavies are braindead terribads who don't know what the fire button is. I suppose that's not altogether that unlikely though. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Cross Atu for CPM1
danie braz Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 31	Posted - 2014.05.20 17:47:00 - [25] - Quote Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: you lost me at "logis with leashes on their dogs are as unfair as tanks" a single scout can kill one or more logis that are repping heavies, then turn around and kill the heavies too REs gets all of then in one boom.
knight of 6 Sver true blood Dirt Nap Squad. 1955	Posted - 2014.05.20 18:32:00 - [26] - Quote spud buddy wrote: knight of 6 wrote: or a rail rifle depending on the heavy type (SCr for dari/mini, RR for Gal/Amarr) and thus the question is raised... which heavy dropsuits are the most frequently used at the proto level? heavy's ehp is the only gimmick it has. heavy weapons are too well balanced(yes I'm implying that they are nerf) to be considered and advantage. proto flat out has more ehp than than the other tiers so proto is preferable. other suits have more versatile gimmicks that can be used more effectively on lower tier models. my gif is gone, DINKLEBURG!! Ko6, scout
spud buddy Da Short Buss Driving School 17	Posted - 2014.05.20 19:48:00 - [27] - Quote well, that's why I'm curious should I grab some advanced rail rifles or scrambler rifles to deal with the majority of heavies?
Ryme Intrinseca The Rainbow Effect 1227	Posted - 2014.05.20 19:48:00 - [28] - Quote spud buddy wrote: knight of 6 wrote: cloaked scouts aren't a brilliant counter to heavys, all suits have the same turn speed and the HMG does good work in cqc. your best bet for removing heavys is a medium long range weapon that can get outside the HMG's effective range and still put good dps on target. cloaked scouts at best are functional against heavies. And while it's true your only real bet against heavies is outranging them, given the nature of objectives in this game that is rarely an option you can decide on outside of the ambush gamemode where everyone has to funnel onto points for control of the hill wherein only CQC exists. in my experience anyways, so you're forced to heavy/logi or cross your fingers and hope you get lucky with a scout/shotty combo I'd go so far as to say that a cloaked scout is bad versus a heavy. Heavies actually use their eyes - no active scanner and pathetic passive scans - so they're the suit most likely to see a cloaked scout, which they'll melt in half a second. With a scout I will beat another scout 95% of the time, but my chances of success vs. a heavy in an enclosed space aren't much better than 50% so I'll switch to a heavy suit if possible.
spud buddy Da Short Buss Driving School 17	Posted - 2014.05.20 20:06:00 - [29] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: I'd go so far as to say that a cloaked scout is bad versus a heavy. Heavies actually use their eyes - no active scanner and pathetic passive scans - so they're the suit most likely to see a cloaked scout, which they'll melt in half a second. With a scout I will beat another scout 95% of the time, but my chances of success vs. a heavy in an enclosed space aren't much better than 50% so I'll switch to a heavy suit if possible. Agreed, cloaked scout had a bad matchup against a heavy. BUT, the theoretical possibility of success EXISTS, which is why everyone is jumping on it and thinks it's balanced if not OP for scout that it has the potential to kill a HMG heavy up close lol. Try beating a proto heavy with a proto HMG up close with a proto assault rifle in a proto gallente assault suit :(
knight of 6 Sver true blood Dirt Nap Squad. 1955	Posted - 2014.05.20 22:08:00 - [30] - Quote spud buddy wrote: well, that's why I'm curious should I grab some advanced rail rifles or scrambler rifles to deal with the majority of heavies? current meta favors armor fits due to rep tools, triage hives, and the higher ehp offered by plates. the SCr while not a bad weapon will put you at a disadvantage on the competitive scene due to it's inherent damage debuff against armor. that is really only at the top tiers of play, pub and fw you wont be at a noticeable disadvantage. I'm not sure about minmatar heavys but caldari heavys are widly regarded as the worst of the heavys so there is that as well. my gif is gone, DINKLEBURG!! Ko6, scout

Eko Sol Strange Playings 338	Posted - 2014.05.20 22:14:00 - [31] - Quote Atiim wrote: I find it funny how people are saying "use REs and Fluxes!" when I've done math proving that you have to be mentally challenged to fall for that. I guess that just shows the average IQ of the pilot community... For the first time I have to agree with you. Flux grenades have to be cooked and tossed while RE's are placed on the weak spot of the tank. The amount of time that takes and the ignorance of the pilot to let that happen is awfully ridiculous. The fact that someone can cook a flux nade and toss it after getting 3 re's on the weak spot is way too time consuming. I've tried it numerous times. I need insta damage to the shields and that requires AV nades. That being said, putting on RE's requires putting one on and sometimes running away and then putting another one on and repeat until 3 are on the weak spot (at least 1 has to be on the weak spot 9 out 10 times). Then toss the 2 AV nades OR wait for a forger to take out its shields and detonate. PSN is "Ekopalm" I play D3, Child of Light, and solo games Also, Proto Trolling until I'm broke...
danie braz Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 32	Posted - 2014.05.21 00:55:00 - [32] - Quote spud buddy wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: I'd go so far as to say that a cloaked scout is bad versus a heavy. Heavies actually use their eyes - no active scanner and pathetic passive scans - so they're the suit most likely to see a cloaked scout, which they'll melt in half a second. With a scout I will beat another scout 95% of the time, but my chances of success vs. a heavy in an enclosed space aren't much better than 50% so I'll switch to a heavy suit if possible. Agreed, cloaked scout had a bad matchup against a heavy. BUT, the theoretical possibility of success EXISTS, which is why everyone is jumping on it and thinks it's balanced if not OP for scout that it has the potential to kill a HMG heavy up close lol. Try beating a proto heavy with a proto HMG up close with a proto assault rifle in a proto gallente assault suit :( I run the dragonfly scout g-1. My passive scans do work to find them. If they see me they melt me, true. But my 7k (20k non bpo) isk has taken out quite a few adv and proto heavy suits. Have not even reached proficiency on the shottie. When i do ill ohk most light/med frames, three shot the average heavy i hope.
danie braz Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 32	Posted - 2014.05.21 00:58:00 - [33] - Quote Eko Sol wrote: Atiim wrote: I find it funny how people are saying "use REs and Fluxes!" when I've done math proving that you have to be mentally challenged to fall for that. I guess that just shows the average IQ of the pilot community... For the first time I have to agree with you. Flux grenades have to be cooked and tossed while RE's are placed on the weak spot of the tank. The amount of time that takes and the ignorance of the pilot to let that happen is awfully ridiculous. The fact that someone can cook a flux nade and toss it after getting 3 re's on the weak spot is way too time consuming. I've tried it numerous times. I need insta damage to the shields and that requires AV nades. That being said, putting on RE's requires putting one on and sometimes running away and then putting another one on and repeat until 3 are on the weak spot (at least 1 has to be on the weak spot 9 out 10 times). Then toss the 2 AV nades OR wait for a forger to take out its shields and detonate. Yes its work, but nothing more pleasing than instakilling tanks.
spud buddy Da Short Buss Driving School 18	Posted - 2014.05.21 16:14:00 - [34] - Quote danie braz wrote: I run the dragonfly scout g-1. stopped reading everything you typed after that
boba's fetta Dead Man's Game 636	Posted - 2014.05.21 16:32:00 - [35] - Quote spud buddy wrote: knight of 6 wrote: or a rail rifle depending on the heavy type (SCr for dari/mini, RR for Gal/Amarr) and thus the question is raised... which heavy dropsuits are the most frequently used at the proto level? gall followed closely by amarr. source im a heavy who fights lots of other heavyies.
Dengar Skirata The Third Day Galactic Skyfleet Empire 105	Posted - 2014.05.21 16:43:00 - [36] - Quote spud buddy wrote: Atiim wrote: I find it funny how people are saying "use REs and Fluxes!" when I've done math proving that you have to be mentally challenged to fall for that. I guess that just shows the average IQ of the pilot community... it is pretty hilarious people think that works against anything but the most dumbass tank pilots imaginable. especially considering tanks can outrun swarm missile launcher attacks, let alone some slow ass cloaked infantry who require you to NOT drive your tank for like 10-15 seconds to be able to get set up 3-4 REs and a flux grenade to kill you with Oh, it works. Just strap a few RE's to the front of an LAV, and there you have it, CCP's greatest gift to non-tankers: the JLAV. You were the chosen one, CCP! It was said that you would create a great game, not destroy one!


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