I find it funny that project legion has not been given the go ahead or green lighted yet CCP already has no problem diverting resources away from Dust and putting Dust into a bug fix / balance mode.
So it makes me wonder just how much is CCP lying to us about all this? It seems foolish to me to stop efforts on a game that is in production to work on a game that is in closed beta (legion is in CB right? I honestly dont know)

Not in Closed Beta, it's not even in Alpha yet. It's a prototype at the moment.

Not in Closed Beta, it's not even in Alpha yet. It's a prototype at the moment.

Not in Closed Beta, it's not even in Alpha yet. It's a prototype at the moment.

Thank you for the information Saber.
Honestly i appreciate it.
That does however really make me scratch my head at whats going on.
I might be very wrong on this also but if legion and Dust are both using Unreal 3 why not continue active development of Dust until Dust has more of the things players really want.
This is speculation on my part but if the 2 platforms are using the same engine won't a great deal of it be the same from 1 platform to the other?

Looked like Legion was on the Carbon engine. at least for the demo we got at FF, and the style and appearance in relation to EVE.

I Believe alot of CCP's hesitation is Sony. Sony has alot invested into this project aswell but they are fast building a reputation for being a huge supporter of smaller game developing studios. There is no Way Sony would let Legion exist without trying to get a piece of it. So it's really up in the air on the resources that will even be available to develop the legion project.


CCP hurt their own product, their own revenue stream and their own reputation with the way and timing in which information was given to the public. NDA exist to strategically keep and give information for the benefit of IP's and Profit margins.. It Really is questionable at best in which the way the information was relayed.

CCP would of been better just leaking information artificially then this even.

I am pretty sure the CCP devs have said that legion is using UE3 (not even 4 because they are SO good with UE3 )

How is a project meant to be green lit if they don't put any work behind it?

Why would they want to give 25% of all revenues earned to Epic Games because their dev's have learned a couple tricks on the DUST project? With potentially years of developing in the future and an in house superior graphic quality engine sitting on their shelf?

No idea but i will leave this here https://twitter.com/ccp_praetorian/status/463512406803488768
and for your conveyance i will re-type the post:

Atli Mar
GÇÅ@CCP_Praetorian
#dust514 Just to clarify - the Project Legion prototype runs on our same heavily upgraded UE3!

Looked like Legion was on the Carbon engine. at least for the demo we got at FF, and the style and appearance in relation to EVE.

I Believe alot of CCP's hesitation is Sony. Sony has alot invested into this project aswell but they are fast building a reputation for being a huge supporter of smaller game developing studios. There is no Way Sony would let Legion exist without trying to get a piece of it. So it's really up in the air on the resources that will even be available to develop the legion project.


CCP hurt their own product, their own revenue stream and their own reputation with the way and timing in which information was given to the public. NDA exist to strategically keep and give information for the benefit of IP's and Profit margins.. It Really is questionable at best in which the way the information was relayed.

CCP would of been better just leaking information artificially then this even.

It Just goes to show you how far the CCP Corporation has got away from Hilmar's Managing capabilities. The Fact that there is little Cohesive planning amoungst the entire of CCP even before an Event like Fanfest is troubling as a CCP fan myself.

There is no way Market peoples, Accountant's, Community Reps(Like Saberwing), Developers and many other CCP employee's passionate about the IP would of agreed to just actively ruin a revenue stream like that.

I didn't say they couldn't use any resources on it. However they pulled so many resources from dust to legion that dust is now in a bug fix and balance mode. Which means they pulled most of the resources from Dust to work on something that may never even reach beta.
Also like i said since its going to use the same engine why not develop dust further and then port it over?

You're a prototype!

Looked like Legion was on the Carbon engine. at least for the demo we got at FF, and the style and appearance in relation to EVE.

I Believe alot of CCP's hesitation is Sony. Sony has alot invested into this project aswell but they are fast building a reputation for being a huge supporter of smaller game developing studios. There is no Way Sony would let Legion exist without trying to get a piece of it. So it's really up in the air on the resources that will even be available to develop the legion project.


CCP hurt their own product, their own revenue stream and their own reputation with the way and timing in which information was given to the public. NDA exist to strategically keep and give information for the benefit of IP's and Profit margins.. It Really is questionable at best in which the way the information was relayed.

CCP would of been better just leaking information artificially then this even.

It Just goes to show you how far the CCP Corporation has got away from Hilmar's Managing capabilities. The Fact that there is little Cohesive planning amoungst the entire of CCP even before an Event like Fanfest is troubling as a CCP fan myself.

There is no way Market peoples, Accountant's, Community Reps(Like Saberwing), Developers and many other CCP employee's passionate about the IP would of agreed to just actively ruin a revenue stream like that.

...it's not even in alpha, it's pre-alpha, it may not turn into a beta, it may not happen, it hasn't been greenlit...

The reason it's all so confusing is that this bit of messaging from CCP is almost a lie. Legion will be greenlit. Why would they use the Dust 514 keynote to show a "prototype" for a different game on a different platform that may or may not be greenlit?

Wake up everyone, and don't be so naive.

Look at the LIVE played presentation of Legion:
Did that actually looks like an alpha?

Reskin of an existing map.

Reuse of existing art assets.

Low player count.

Yes, it looks like a prototype.

6 months to design one tree is a milestone that CCP should be very proud of.

Ccp.........u guys really think ur doing the right thing not puting new content in dust.....but work on legion huh, u guys could have did so much more

It was not on carbon. It was on the same exact engine as Dust, simply with hardware that could actually support it.

Whoa, whoa...let's not throw around anything we can't take back.

Re: UE3 vs UE4 - CCP Android explained this away a little bit. Check out his post here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2144118#post2144118

Super delicious and informative!

why are we being fed such vague speculations surrounding the fact that the game may even NEVER
reach ALPHA stage?

Why are they doing this to us?

Sorry guys your game is cancelled HOWEVER we're creating project legion on the PC, here's a tech demo BUT
it's not even in alpha, it's pre-alpha, it may not turn into a beta, it may not happen, it hasn't been greenlit,

WTF? are we supposed to invest into either game? are they both being abandoned?
make it sound like you're working on something CCP, come on, **** or get off the pot!

I'd even go further than this.

Look at the LIVE played presentation of Legion:
Did that actually looks like an alpha? Could you see alot of alpha-typical errors likes glitches and bugs rspecially in the graphics sector?
We all can play alot of alpha versions daily on steam, and I havent seen a single one which looks so complete as that version of Legion does.
IF it srriously would be in alpha stage I would have expected to se a pre rendered trailer, not a live played version.

Besides that Legion and Dust share the same engine (UE3) and Legion is going to be on PC, which is much easier codable than the PS3,so I expect you can port nearly 100% of what we see in Dust right now and switch it to legion quiet simple.

on top of all this they have already been in development process for 8 months, and just what they officially stated.

Think about a team of around 20 devs working FULLTIME on Dust, and getting payed for a fulltime job, now think about what we got with Dust in the last year, that makes me kind of suspicious.

All in all I would say Legion is already much further developed than CCP openly admittes.

Its all speculation and I dont have experience in developing a game, but all the stated above makes me really suspicious if CCP isn't once more keeping stuff from us.

I find it funny that project legion has not been given the go ahead or green lighted yet CCP already has no problem diverting resources away from Dust and putting Dust into a bug fix / balance mode.
So it makes me wonder just how much is CCP lying to us about all this? It seems foolish to me to stop efforts on a game that is in production to work on a game that is in closed beta (legion is in CB right? I honestly dont know)

Look, I hate it as much as anyone but let's look at some thoughts.

Legion is in prototype stage, and looks better then dust. It only took them what, 3-5 months to create that much content? Clearly they are having an easier time with it then they do with dust.

They are using the UE3 engine for the sole purpose of salvaging the best code from dust (imo) , and using the statistics gained from dust at their disposal to eliminate balancing factors at conception. So this will speed things along exponentially, possibly shaving multiple months off development.

At this point with the rate of development legion has had, I see very few obstacles that would prevent it from being greenlit. It's dust, but better in every way, with the ability to transcend dust in every way.

CCP still want ts to milk Dust for all its worth cause hey, who wouldn't want to? It's a product with a playerbase that can help then aid in the cost of developing legion, hence the server side updates only. They don't want to deviate money to dust when they birthed a new favorite son, cause let's face it...updating a game through Sony isn't cheap. It's relatively expensive as hell.

So, Legion WILL get greenlit, it IS a better upgraded version of dust, the devs no longer can profit from the aur market by continuing to develop dust alongside legion and are therefore culling Dust's progress, and CCP is unable to publicly admit Dust's inevitable future because it will guarantee less profits for them to funnel to Legion. So they will continue to spin the issue until it becomes moot point.

While distasteful, especially the way they handled it at fanfest, they are still a business and will make decisions for the benefit of of their company over the consumer. And if they create a complete success with Legion, it will easily overshadow what happened with Dust, and CCP is willing to go "all in" on this bet.

Anybody remember the dust e3 video? That dust looked amazing and was pre beta. That is not the game we have today. history will repeat itself

Lol @ some player that thinks they know what IS going to happen.
I predict another failure from CCP and i think they will decide that the PC market is too competative with FPS shooters and never even reach open beta with legion

Look, I hate it as much as anyone but let's look at some thoughts.

Legion is in prototype stage, and looks better then dust. It only took them what, 3-5 months to create that much content? Clearly they are having an easier time with it then they do with dust.

Can you honestly see the Legion footage, and then fail to piece together the puzzle of why they are stopping development on Dust and diverting the entire Shanghai team towards the development of Legion?

You're a prototype!

They could just as easily realized that with their contract with Sony, they needed to keep the Dust servers up for x amount of months at a loss and decided to attempt to recoup some of that loss by reusing as many of those assets as possible on a PC game.

There was nothing compelling about the Legion presentation that shows some major step forward from Dust. What did you see that made you think they had made some major leap forward?

It was seeing the footage, and then claiming PvE will be possible in Legion.

Not in Closed Beta, it's not even in Alpha yet. It's a prototype at the moment.

If "Legion" is produced and it strongly resembles Dust 514, Sony's lawyers will likely come forth to legally skull **** CCP.

I'll be sitting here with a cold beer and some popcorn watching it all go down, cause dis' gon be gud.

Thank you for the information Saber.
Honestly i appreciate it.
That does however really make me scratch my head at whats going on.
I might be very wrong on this also but if legion and Dust are both using Unreal 3 why not continue active development of Dust until Dust has more of the things players really want.
This is speculation on my part but if the 2 platforms are using the same engine won't a great deal of it be the same from 1 platform to the other?

They could just as easily realized that with their contract with Sony, they needed to keep the Dust servers up for x amount of months at a loss and decided to attempt to recoup some of that loss by reusing as many of those assets as possible on a PC game.

There was nothing compelling about the Legion presentation that shows some major step forward from Dust. What did you see that made you think they had made some major leap forward?

That means that if they port to PC, they'll have to deal with some serious legal scrutiny from Sony for violating that Playstation Exclusive agreement.

This x1000.

Most people seemed to have forgotten about it, but that is at least part of the problem with this whole deal, that Sony has a say in this to.

Anyone hip to the terms of the CCP/Sony deal as regards time frame? Most of us already assumed that Dust was "released" to start a clock on some exclusive deal with Sony.

For once I am hoping for the big company to come out and smash the little guy.

By what part of the footage exactly made you think more was possible?

Please be specific. I see little to nothing of value in that video, especially as regards the developmental prowess of CCP.

I dismiss any CCP promises out of hand now, so I won't pretend to care about that part. But I am genuinely curious as to what parts of that video made you think that these same people could do something other than produce a perpetually second class title.

Not in Closed Beta, it's not even in Alpha yet. It's a prototype at the moment.

This will be my last post at these forums.

As a ps3 and 4 player I really can't even express how disappointed I am at CCP.

The way they handle and look at the ps3(4) community at fan fest makes me more sad than anything. I really wanted CCP to make this game a epic console game.

How they have handled the console players are so disrespect full that's it's not even funny.

And al the posts on the forums about how inferior the ps3 are against PC, also slandering the ps4 in some cases makes me just shake my head. ( this not buy CCP might I ad )

CCP don't make me feel special or wanted, I just feel like trash in there eyes.

CCP have a look at this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kJkiwDeWqQ

This has nothing about to do about that game or if it will be a successes or not.

It's about how he communicates it's so respectful and humble to the players, it's just a master pice plain and simple. I know it's some what of a pitch, but still I think you get it.

This alone makes me want to spend money on his product and vision.

This CCP is how you interact with your players/fans.

I still want you to be a successes however I am not going to follow you on this journey.

I might jump back on the train on a station further down the line if you make me believe again.

Good luck and my sincere best wishes with legion.

Regards

(legion is in CB right? I honestly dont know)

It was not on carbon. It was on the same exact engine as Dust, simply with hardware that could actually support it.

That's fine. It's your opinion.

Regardless of whether or not PvE is possible on legion or dust, it's already been stated dust is not getting PvE. Legion will. Period. End of story. So your argument is moot point.

But i do know for a fact that the ps3 lacks the capabilities of connecting a PC and PS3 along the same network easily. Again so you don't try to spin my words I said EASILY. The only game I know of that is a cross platform between PC and ps3-ps4 is ff14, and the ps3 is utter garbage. It's a joke. It had connection problems for almost 6 months after its Release, and it still does to this day. And this is from a company that has been working with Sony for years, developing the game on its only other platform for years, and still hasn't perfected it.

How about you provide an argument based on my statements instead of ignoring everything that doesn't pander to your feeling of betrayal.

But pf course by all means continue to cut my responses to a single sentence in an attempt to further whatever agenda you may have, that's your right. Even After all these posts of yours where you haven't added to the argument beyond you being disgruntled.

Or better yet, just ask me another question google will answer for you. I'll be happy to oblige.

That's fine. It's your opinion.

Regardless of whether or not PvE is possible on legion or dust, it's already been stated dust is not getting PvE. Legion will. Period. End of story. So your argument is moot point.

But i do know for a fact that the ps3 lacks the capabilities of connecting a PC and PS3 along the same network easily. Again so you don't try to spin my words I said EASILY. The only game I know of that is a cross platform between PC and ps3-ps4 is ff14, and the ps3 is utter garbage. It's a joke. It had connection problems for almost 6 months after its Release, and it still does to this day. And this is from a company that has been working with Sony for years, developing the game on its only other platform for years, and still hasn't perfected it.

How about you provide an argument based on my statements instead of ignoring everything that doesn't pander to your feeling of betrayal.

But pf course by all means continue to cut my responses to a single sentence in an attempt to further whatever agenda you may have, that's your right. Even After all these posts of yours where you haven't added to the argument beyond you being disgruntled.

Or better yet, just ask me another question google will answer for you. I'll be happy to oblige.

And these kind of people still dare to post on forums not even checking their facts first :D Ignorance is bliss I guess.

The only way to get Legion greenlit is to work on it. The only way to work on it is to pull devs from Dust. Simple enough, right?

I want to know more about the free account limitations. It will be like the World of Warcraft free account?.

If it will be syncing with the same servers of EvE and it will have the same features and problems of Dust514 then why named like a different game?. When Dark souls came to PC was still called Dark Souls..

I want to know more about the free account limitations. It will be like the World of Warcraft free account?.

If it will be syncing with the same servers of EvE and it will have the same features and problems of Dust514 then why named like a different game?. When Dark souls came to PC was still called Dark Souls..