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Nec Tributis
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Posted - 2014.05.18 11:14:00 -
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Are too.
Nobody at CCP cares because we ain't Legionnaires.
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trollface dot jpg
The Bacon Corporation
163
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Posted - 2014.05.18 12:48:00 -
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Meisterjager Jagermeister wrote:I don't understand why so many are crying about cloaks.
THEY ARE PERFECT!
I have lost count of the number of "invisible" scouts that I have put down (at least three with a sniper rifle).
Nine times out of ten, if the cloaked scout is in front of me I WILL SEE IT!
If he is behind me, then he didn't need the cloak.
If the scout is in front of me and I didn't see it, shame on ME.
Many complain cloaks allow a first shot while invisible. Well yeah, what else is it for?
There is a trade off many don't realize; if you see the cloaked scout then YOU get the first shot because the scout has to take the second to switch to a weapon which may be all the time you need or, at least, it will give you the head start in that 1v1 battle. If the scout still gets you after that, well that is a good player who would have gotten you anyway.
...or he's tanked.
Noooo.... not OP at all! I can't believe that people are actually upset about me being able to stand still for a minute and a half in a corner without being seen and OHKing them in the back with a shotty! How is anyone upset that my cloak remains active until I get my second shotty shot off? What is wrong with you fools who think that 10 neigh invisible fully tanked suits hiding in every corner is a problem?!?! Gosh people, get over yourselves, it's not like the terrible frame rate and lag in this game makes it THAT much harder to see us when we're cloaked....
RIP MAG, you will be missed.
MAG Vet ~ Raven
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
Lokun Listamenn
3258
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Posted - 2014.05.18 15:08:00 -
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Cavani1EE7 wrote:Meisterjager Jagermeister wrote:
...or he's tanked.
That's the problem.
Yes.
Assaults should get a ehp buff btw.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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axINVICTUSxa
BIG BAD W0LVES
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
121
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Posted - 2014.05.18 15:35:00 -
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Hell man, Cloaks are OP as hell!
Let me tell you why. This is what my main dropsuit fitting looks like:
Assault - Spectre 17k:
Gallente Assault G-1 (STD)
Basic Light Damage Mod (STD)
Exile/Dren Rifle (STD)
Locus Grenades (STD)
Cloak Field (STD)
Enhanced Armor Plating x3
Total Ehp: around 700
Armor Rep: 2 per second
And I kick ass with this. Very seriously, and I feel like a bad ass. My ratio with this suit is around 4:1 KDR, and I target heavies...because apparently I can solo Heavies now, but not damn logis with rail rifles. doesn't make an ounce of sense to me but hell, wtf.
Or you can logi, which nets you 2000 WP a game +, even with basic tools.
I wallow in pools of blood and wash myself anew, I throw away my ugly self in order to become something beautiful...
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axINVICTUSxa
BIG BAD W0LVES
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
121
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Posted - 2014.05.18 15:39:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Cavani1EE7 wrote:Meisterjager Jagermeister wrote:
...or he's tanked.
That's the problem. Yes. Assaults should get a ehp buff btw.
Lol look at my post.
I can run cloak and still have 700 ehp on my assault.
I run gallente for a number of reasons:
1) I am Gallente
2) Gallente Assault allows you to armor tank (STD Gallente Assault has 3 low slots) better plus automatic 2 rep per second
3) Exile/Dren are assault rifle BPO's that I have; Gallente Assault gets a bonus for hybrid weaponry.
4)It's pretty cheap actually.
Damn, if they only made BPO's for Gallente G-1's I'd be in heaven. Something I might spend a $100 getting, provided it comes with AUR and other stuff
I wallow in pools of blood and wash myself anew, I throw away my ugly self in order to become something beautiful...
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Meisterjager Jagermeister
Red and Silver Hand
Amarr Empire
146
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Posted - 2014.05.18 15:40:00 -
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axINVICTUSxa wrote: This is what my main dropsuit fitting looks like:
 WANT!!!!!
AKA - StarVenger
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Velociraptor antirrhopus
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
67
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Posted - 2014.05.18 15:45:00 -
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axINVICTUSxa wrote:And I kick ass with this. Very seriously, and I feel like a bad ass. My ratio with this suit is around 4:1 KDR, and I target heavies...because apparently I can solo Heavies now, but not damn logis with rail rifles. doesn't make an ounce of sense to me but hell, wtf.
You better hope that heavy isn't me.
And I totally forgot Logis can even fit cloaks. I was so busy specing into Gal Logi for the first time with all that event SP, I only thought about the REAL equipment.
I guess I could do a stealth scanner with a needle. Damn... it'd actually be pretty useful on an uplink spam suit. Thanks for reminding me!
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
Lokun Listamenn
3258
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Posted - 2014.05.18 15:48:00 -
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axINVICTUSxa wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Cavani1EE7 wrote:Meisterjager Jagermeister wrote:
...or he's tanked.
That's the problem. Yes. Assaults should get a ehp buff btw. Lol look at my post. I can run cloak and still have 700 ehp on my assault. I run gallente for a number of reasons: 1) I am Gallente 2) Gallente Assault allows you to armor tank (STD Gallente Assault has 3 low slots) better plus automatic 2 rep per second 3) Exile/Dren are assault rifle BPO's that I have; Gallente Assault gets a bonus for hybrid weaponry. 4)It's pretty cheap actually. Damn, if they only made BPO's for Gallente G-1's I'd be in heaven. Something I might spend a $100 getting, provided it comes with AUR and other stuff
Can you scan and not be scanned?
Can you run quickly and for a long time?
Do you have 3 reps per sec?(only applies to Gallente)
Do you shields recharge quickly?
Can you run extra equipment?
Do you have a large hitbox?
Look, I run Gallente Scout/Assault/Heavy/Commando/Logi, and I can tell you the assault is the worst of the bunch. I'd rather run commando over my assault. The current best suit is a tanked GalScout, and that's not gonna change till they nerf or remove the cloak since they can't figure out how to balance plates.
Edit:I'd love to trade my C-1 for a G-1
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
709
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Posted - 2014.05.18 16:32:00 -
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"I see cloaked scouts easy" is just bullshit. I have been running as a cloaked scout for a couple of days, I just flank a little and run up behind people and they almost never see me. My guess is that those who argue otherwise are either A) players who don't want cloaks nerfed or B) committing a logical fallacy. If they see some cloaks then they think they are seeing most cloaks. The truth is they have no way of knowing how many they have NOT seen. Does anyone actually believe that there were this many scout shotgun deaths before cloaks? My opinion is cloaks need tweaking and the dampening bonus should be a dampening penalty.
Because, that's why.
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Echo 1991
WarRavens
Final Resolution.
294
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Posted - 2014.05.18 17:45:00 -
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axINVICTUSxa wrote:Hell man, Cloaks are OP as hell!
Let me tell you why. This is what my main dropsuit fitting looks like:
Assault - Spectre 17k:
Gallente Assault G-1 (STD)
Basic Light Damage Mod (STD)
Exile/Dren Rifle (STD)
Locus Grenades (STD)
Cloak Field (STD)
Enhanced Armor Plating x3
Total Ehp: around 700
Armor Rep: 2 per second
And I kick ass with this. Very seriously, and I feel like a bad ass. My ratio with this suit is around 4:1 KDR, and I target heavies...because apparently I can solo Heavies now, but not damn logis with rail rifles. doesn't make an ounce of sense to me but hell, wtf.
Or you can logi, which nets you 2000 WP a game +, even with basic tools.
That fit doesnt work. It has nowhere near enough pg or cpu if that is an assault suit.
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Meisterjager Jagermeister
Red and Silver Hand
Amarr Empire
147
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Posted - 2014.05.18 18:05:00 -
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Deliberately inflammatory thread strikes again
Nothing Certain wrote:"I see cloaked scouts easy" is just bullshit.....
No. Obvious blue shimmer is obvious.
Quote:....I just flank a little and run up behind people and they almost never see me.
And, wisely, by design "flank and gank" tactics keep you out of line of sight. So obvious blue shimmer is NOT obvious and, for that matter, neither is a non cloaked merc.
Quote: My guess is that those who argue otherwise are either A) players who don't want cloaks nerfed or B) committing a logical fallacy
A) I feel tanking is the real problem.
B) Please note my reply above to MINA Longstrike re: fallacy
Quote:Does anyone actually believe that there were this many scout shotgun deaths before cloaks? Is this true? Death from shotties have increased since cloaks were introduced? In my experience these deaths have remained the same.
Quote: My opinion is ...the dampening bonus should be a dampening penalty.
That seems harsh. I would simply remove the bonus before I went that far.
AKA - StarVenger
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Meisterjager Jagermeister
Red and Silver Hand
Amarr Empire
147
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Posted - 2014.05.18 18:07:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:
That fit doesnt work. It has nowhere near enough pg or cpu if that is an assault suit.
 Curse you dream killer!
AKA - StarVenger
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Echo 1991
WarRavens
Final Resolution.
294
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Posted - 2014.05.18 18:10:00 -
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The cloak is kinda op. In certain areas the shimmer is non-existant. You cant see them. The fact that 2 shots can be fired as the scout uncloaks is rediculous and beeds to be sorted. Also scouts can whack on hp and have the benefits of seeing everyone other than scouts as well as being invisible. Its a bit silly. |
Echo 1991
WarRavens
Final Resolution.
294
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Posted - 2014.05.18 18:24:00 -
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Meisterjager Jagermeister wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:
That fit doesnt work. It has nowhere near enough pg or cpu if that is an assault suit.
Curse you dream killer!Wait, are you accounting for Dropsuit Electronics/Engineering and Light Weapons and other pg cpu boosting skills? If so Curse you dream killer!
Yeah. By a lot. |
Vinsarrow
New Eden Blades Of The Azure
Zero-Day
277
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Posted - 2014.05.18 20:45:00 -
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OK 1st off their is no problem with cloaks the only thing is lighting when 1 is running away occasionally.
Cloaks & better defence\HP has made scouts actually viable.
They once were easily findable & made of freaking paper.
If a scout is hiding and staying Still to be invisible then that is fine in my opinion.
The TRUE problem is OP shotguns and scouts basically being invisible on radar.
I think through best fix I a shotgun nerf.
And for people to run stuff that detects scouts on radar.
Also Ty to s little corporation called R0NoN as thanks to them killing people so much we learned scout tricks like dropping HE's on tanks, uplink, ppl, places, points, and while be chased. And more |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
5557
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Posted - 2014.05.18 23:59:00 -
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I'm going to add my usual proposal.
If people really are this upset with cloaks, DON'T NERF, TWEAK.
Don't remove the dampening bonus entirely. DEFINITELY don't make it a penalty.
10 - 15% dampening bonus instead of the current 25%, and SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
If it makes cloaked players obviously more visible, GREAT.
Also, a couple of Scout suits (Gallente) have been given too much of a buff on their base fitting stats - tighten the PG and CPU capacity a little to make them actually take some effort to fit effectively.
Really though, the only needed "nerf" is to fix the BUGS AND GLITCHES that can be exploited with cloaks and to improve the decloak sound priority and volume settings. It sounds loud enough to the cloaker, but it's MUCH quieter to another player, EVEN when you're right on top of them. If they make that louder, and more importantly, make it so that it's treated as a priority for the game to play. I've tested and confirmed that when there are several ARs firing just barely in earshot, a cloaked player less than 2m from me will be able to decloak silently. The sound simply doesn't play at all. Distant gunfire is a higher priority than the shotgunner appearing directly behind you, according to CCP.
Now onto something else fun...
trollface dot jpg wrote:Noooo.... not OP at all! I can't believe that people are actually upset about me being able to stand still for a minute and a half in a corner without being seen and OHKing them in the back with a shotty! How is anyone upset that my cloak remains active until I get my second shotty shot off? What is wrong with you fools who think that 10 neigh invisible fully tanked suits hiding in every corner is a problem?!?! Gosh people, get over yourselves, it's not like the terrible frame rate and lag in this game makes it THAT much harder to see us when we're cloaked....
First off, I'm sorely tempted to just look at your name and disregard the post on those grounds, but not everyone on these forums actually pays that much attention even when they read what you're saying, so I feel like this needs to be addressed.
If you're hiding in a corner and remain unseen, the enemies are doing it wrong, and got outplayed.
If your cloak remains active even long enough for you to take your FIRST shot, then you're exploiting a glitch, and should report the process you're abusing to CCP. The ability to switch and fire WHILE DECLOAKING is completely separate, and not an issue because during the decloak animation, you're giving people an audio cue to tell them you're decloaking AND you're more visible than the movement shimmer makes you BEFORE THE FIRST SHOT. You can still be less than 100% visible by the time of the second, but anyone even semi-competent with a working TV should have found you by then, assuming the sound didn't get overriden by something else. Decloak sound priority and volume need work, that's the problem.
Also, "neigh" is the sound a horse makes. The word you were looking for is "nigh". |
Eko Sol
Strange Playings
328
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Posted - 2014.05.19 00:05:00 -
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Meisterjager Jagermeister wrote:I don't understand why so many are crying about cloaks.
THEY ARE PERFECT!
I have lost count of the number of "invisible" scouts that I have put down (at least three with a sniper rifle).
Nine times out of ten, if the cloaked scout is in front of me I WILL SEE IT!
If he is behind me, then he didn't need the cloak.
If the scout is in front of me and I didn't see it, shame on ME.
Many complain cloaks allow a first shot while invisible. Well yeah, what else is it for?
There is a trade off many don't realize; if you see the cloaked scout then YOU get the first shot because the scout has to take the second to switch to a weapon which may be all the time you need or, at least, it will give you the head start in that 1v1 battle. If the scout still gets you after that, well that is a good player who would have gotten you anyway.
...or he's tanked.
Cloaks are OP. They are win buttons for below average players. They literally take below average players and average players and make them great players in a lot of ways. There is nothing else out there that does this.
That being said, I run a cloaked scout as well simply because I can. There were very few things I thought or currently think need to be toned down. They absolutely have to introduce something that creates a delay between decloaking and firing a weapon...period. At the bare minimum they need to do this. I would like to also see them have a decloak penalty to the cloak stamina so people can't just decloak and cloak over and over again. It doesn't take skill to do this at all and a lot of players do this.
PSN is "Ekopalm"
I play D3, Child of Light, and solo games
Also, Proto Trolling until I'm broke...
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axINVICTUSxa
BIG BAD W0LVES
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
123
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Posted - 2014.05.19 00:18:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:axINVICTUSxa wrote:Hell man, Cloaks are OP as hell!
Let me tell you why. This is what my main dropsuit fitting looks like:
Assault - Spectre 17k:
Gallente Assault G-1 (STD)
Basic Light Damage Mod (STD)
Exile/Dren Rifle (STD)
Locus Grenades (STD)
Cloak Field (STD)
Enhanced Armor Plating x3
Total Ehp: around 700
Armor Rep: 2 per second
And I kick ass with this. Very seriously, and I feel like a bad ass. My ratio with this suit is around 4:1 KDR, and I target heavies...because apparently I can solo Heavies now, but not damn logis with rail rifles. doesn't make an ounce of sense to me but hell, wtf.
Or you can logi, which nets you 2000 WP a game +, even with basic tools.
That fit doesnt work. It has nowhere near enough pg or cpu if that is an assault suit.
Oh thats right. I forgot to include I have max CPU/PG Skill Upgrades, plus assault rifle fitting optimization + the Gallente Assault bonus = enough CPU and PG to go around town.
Trust.
I wallow in pools of blood and wash myself anew, I throw away my ugly self in order to become something beautiful...
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Echo 1991
WarRavens
Final Resolution.
294
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Posted - 2014.05.19 13:41:00 -
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axINVICTUSxa wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:axINVICTUSxa wrote:Hell man, Cloaks are OP as hell!
Let me tell you why. This is what my main dropsuit fitting looks like:
Assault - Spectre 17k:
Gallente Assault G-1 (STD)
Basic Light Damage Mod (STD)
Exile/Dren Rifle (STD)
Locus Grenades (STD)
Cloak Field (STD)
Enhanced Armor Plating x3
Total Ehp: around 700
Armor Rep: 2 per second
And I kick ass with this. Very seriously, and I feel like a bad ass. My ratio with this suit is around 4:1 KDR, and I target heavies...because apparently I can solo Heavies now, but not damn logis with rail rifles. doesn't make an ounce of sense to me but hell, wtf.
Or you can logi, which nets you 2000 WP a game +, even with basic tools.
That fit doesnt work. It has nowhere near enough pg or cpu if that is an assault suit. Oh thats right. I forgot to include I have max CPU/PG Skill Upgrades, plus assault rifle fitting optimization + the Gallente Assault bonus = enough CPU and PG to go around town. Trust.
It still would not work. The basic cloak uses 160 cpu. An exile uses about 14 cpu. And 3 enhanced plates use 60 cpu. The max cpu on a basic assault suit is 197. Please dont talk rubbish.
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Kam Elto
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
291
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Posted - 2014.05.19 15:48:00 -
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axINVICTUSxa wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Cavani1EE7 wrote:Meisterjager Jagermeister wrote:
...or he's tanked.
That's the problem. Yes. Assaults should get a ehp buff btw. Lol look at my post. I can run cloak and still have 700 ehp on my assault. I run gallente for a number of reasons: 1) I am Gallente 2) Gallente Assault allows you to armor tank (STD Gallente Assault has 3 low slots) better plus automatic 2 rep per second 3) Exile/Dren are assault rifle BPO's that I have; Gallente Assault gets a bonus for hybrid weaponry. 4)It's pretty cheap actually. Damn, if they only made BPO's for Gallente G-1's I'd be in heaven. Something I might spend a $100 getting, provided it comes with AUR and other stuff Dragonfly Scout Suits. I'll sell you one real cheap when we get the player market
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