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Meisterjager Jagermeister
Red and Silver Hand
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.05.17 19:05:00 -
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I don't understand why so many are crying about cloaks.
THEY ARE PERFECT!
I have lost count of the number of "invisible" scouts that I have put down (at least three with a sniper rifle).
Nine times out of ten, if the cloaked scout is in front of me I WILL SEE IT!
If he is behind me, then he didn't need the cloak.
If the scout is in front of me and I didn't see it, shame on ME.
Many complain cloaks allow a first shot while invisible. Well yeah, what else is it for?
There is a trade off many don't realize; if you see the cloaked scout then YOU get the first shot because the scout has to take the second to switch to a weapon which may be all the time you need or at least it will give you the head start in that 1v1 battle. If the scout still gets you after that, well that is a good player who would ave gotten you anyway.
...or he's tanked.
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Meisterjager Jagermeister
Red and Silver Hand
Amarr Empire
133
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Posted - 2014.05.17 19:20:00 -
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Cavani1EE7 wrote:Meisterjager Jagermeister wrote:
...or he's tanked.
That's the problem. Yes. And that is a whole different ball of wax.
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Meisterjager Jagermeister
Red and Silver Hand
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.05.17 19:33:00 -
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OliX PRZESMIEWCA wrote:First shoot when cloaked is a bug.
Well, If CCP says it isn't meant to be then I can't argue with that. But if they left it alone I won't cry.
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Meisterjager Jagermeister
Red and Silver Hand
Amarr Empire
136
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Posted - 2014.05.17 21:23:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Meisterjager Jagermeister wrote:
Nine times out of ten, if the cloaked scout is in front of me I WILL SEE IT!
That's a fallacy. How so? In my experience it is true.
I'm not claiming to be cloak proof, I don't always beat them, but if they are in front of me I most always see them. I'll even stalk them if I am fast enough. There are times when I realize what I just saw was a cloaked merc, but just a bit too late. Those are the smart ones. Or I will blatantly not notice at all, and they get behind me and I hear their shotgun announce my death. But mostly they are just as obvious as any other suit.
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Meisterjager Jagermeister
Red and Silver Hand
Amarr Empire
137
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Posted - 2014.05.17 21:50:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:This statement is flawed. Judge Rabadabalus calls it the "toupee fallacy" (google it).
That argument does not apply here. Toupees don't shimmer with blue light.
Cloaked mercs shimmer with blue light. Nine times out of ten I will see that shimmery blue merc.
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Meisterjager Jagermeister
Red and Silver Hand
Amarr Empire
137
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Posted - 2014.05.17 22:01:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:I know, I do it all the time in my scout.  And.......you would be the one in ten that ganks me
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Meisterjager Jagermeister
Red and Silver Hand
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.05.18 04:45:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:I don't think you understand what a logical fallacy like the toupee fallacy is..
That would be a fallacy.
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Meisterjager Jagermeister
Red and Silver Hand
Amarr Empire
143
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Posted - 2014.05.18 08:50:00 -
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@MINA Longstrike
Um...humor in irony?
Next time I will append my humor with a smiley so as to blunt any perceived condescension.
Yet perhaps my unintended tone of condescension, which you have taken affront to, was subliminally motivated from what I myself may have perceived from your post as condescending in tone towards me. (Hmm..more irony).
I'm an intelligent guy. "Toupee fallacy" in the context of this thread is pretty self explanatory even if I hadn't know already what it meant. To assume I didn't comprehend this simple concept based on anecdotal evidence just might come across to me as insulting. And then you may have compounded this slight by launching into a lesson on the subject, complete with links, as one might reprimand a student for shirking his studies. Now you have assumed upon yourself a position as my intellectual superior, something sure to get my ire up. But whats worse, you seemingly presume my Google-fu is weak!
Had you prefaced your lesson with the phrase "Just to be sure...", I'm certain no offense would have been taken, subliminally or otherwise.
As to the "error in your reasoning" (Your words, not mine. I don't want to insult) if you must have it;
MINA Longstrike wrote:The toupee fallacy in this case postulates that you've never 'seen' a cloaked scout that you didn't see the blue shimmer on. I'm not sure it actually does the way you have it here. But it matters not as I did state "nine out of ten" which allows for those cloaked mercs with their blue shimmer in effect that I did not see.
Quote: therefore your statement of "I've never seen a scout that I didn't see" is wrong. This is where this "Toupee fallacy" definitely applies.
As it pertains to me, however, this statement would only be true if I had, in fact, made that claim.
I haven't.
What I am claiming, clearly stated now that I am pressed, is that I see nine out of ten shimmering blue cloaked scouts if they are within my line of sight. Granted, this may be a bold statement but this is merely an online forum and I'm trying to stress a point. However, if you must take me to task on this I'm willing to amend my claim. I'll say eight out of ten.
And to be perfectly clear while clarity is an issue, before any further confusion ensues; I'm not claiming the title "slayer of cloaks."
I am only saying I am a "seer of cloaks" and wonder why, if everybody else is as well, do so many believe cloaks overpowered. To this I've received some compelling arguments.
Quote:It has been demonstrated that scouts in numerous situations literally have *no* shimmer.
Lies! LIES! Why must you fill people's heads with such LIES!!!!
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Meisterjager Jagermeister
Red and Silver Hand
Amarr Empire
146
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Posted - 2014.05.18 15:40:00 -
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axINVICTUSxa wrote: This is what my main dropsuit fitting looks like:
 WANT!!!!!
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Meisterjager Jagermeister
Red and Silver Hand
Amarr Empire
147
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Posted - 2014.05.18 18:05:00 -
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Deliberately inflammatory thread strikes again
Nothing Certain wrote:"I see cloaked scouts easy" is just bullshit.....
No. Obvious blue shimmer is obvious.
Quote:....I just flank a little and run up behind people and they almost never see me.
And, wisely, by design "flank and gank" tactics keep you out of line of sight. So obvious blue shimmer is NOT obvious and, for that matter, neither is a non cloaked merc.
Quote: My guess is that those who argue otherwise are either A) players who don't want cloaks nerfed or B) committing a logical fallacy
A) I feel tanking is the real problem.
B) Please note my reply above to MINA Longstrike re: fallacy
Quote:Does anyone actually believe that there were this many scout shotgun deaths before cloaks? Is this true? Death from shotties have increased since cloaks were introduced? In my experience these deaths have remained the same.
Quote: My opinion is ...the dampening bonus should be a dampening penalty.
That seems harsh. I would simply remove the bonus before I went that far.
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Meisterjager Jagermeister
Red and Silver Hand
Amarr Empire
147
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Posted - 2014.05.18 18:07:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:
That fit doesnt work. It has nowhere near enough pg or cpu if that is an assault suit.
 Curse you dream killer!
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