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CCP Rattati
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Posted - 2014.05.16 14:15:00 -
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This will be interesting.
First I would like to get relative parity or usage between the racial variants, within each class (std, adv, pro) and leave the gallente variants and other race full auto variants out of the picture (for a time being)
That said, currently these rifles are in relative balance, sorted from most consumed to least.
- Rail Rifles
- Combat Rifles
- Plasma (GA) Rifles
- Scrambler Rifles
Data says that Scramblers are either considerably worse or inhabit a radically different role on the battlefield.
Plasma rifles also need love, but not much by the numbers.
If UP against the others, please post suggestions.
My personal experience is that the Assault CR is considerably better than the Duvolle at most ranges. Something I don't like having specced fully into all Plasma rifle proficiencies
Discuss
"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"
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CCP Rattati
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Posted - 2014.05.16 14:35:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:A sticky? Fantastic.
I'll get something more comprehensive down shortly, but for now, initial thoughts on Rattati's post:
Scramblers... I'd say they actually do inhabit a radically different role.
All of the other rifles can be spammed with relative impunity and tend to be fully automatic. The SCR's harsh overheat penalty tends to punish users much more than the other rifles do.
Of all of the rifles, they were also hurt the most by the proficiency change - they really struggle against armour now while all the other rifles are mostly indifferent to the tank type (especially in the case of the combat rifle).
I would say that the PR is UP compared to the CR because it's simply overwhelmingly beaten in damage output. When the CR also has a greater range and RoF there is rarely a situation in which it is favourable to use a PR.
While rail rifles are the most common I don't think they need to be touched.
Also, I know you said to leave variants out of it but in the case of the ACR vs the AR the ACR is just simply better.
Go forth and bring us sweet sweet numbers :D
Let's compare all the Full Autos separately, just like I would like to balance the Breaches (Breach PR vs RR , Bursts Burst PR vs RR and Single Shots, Tac PR vs Scrambler) , a little later, or someone break out a new thread on that.
"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"
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CCP Rattati
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Posted - 2014.05.16 14:37:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:SCR is just a close range sniper rifle you cant use like it an AR because the overheat gets you killed. Thus you cant frontline the SCR. The assult makes up for this but as everyone is amour tanking your better off using the CC or RR.
Hope that makes sense, i would rather the SCR went full auto but lost its power until you reloaded. So you unload it but if u do it to much your using a pea shooter.
With its current overheat method its a lighbitly on the front line
The Tac AR used to dominate, even in CQC. Hip dispersion was increased so it went back to short tange sniping, but it has a place in firefights, just like the Scrambler, so let's put ideas on the table.
"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"
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CCP Rattati
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Posted - 2014.05.16 14:39:00 -
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ResistanceGTA wrote:steadyhand amarr wrote:SCR is just a close range sniper rifle you cant use like it an AR because the overheat gets you killed. Thus you cant frontline the SCR. The assult makes up for this but as everyone is amour tanking your better off using the CC or RR.
Hope that makes sense, i would rather the SCR went full auto but lost its power until you reloaded. So you unload it but if u do it to much your using a pea shooter.
With its current overheat method its a lighbitly on the front line *liability Also, the current meta is why the Scrambler is bottom of the barrel as steady said. I got my baby to Prof. V, so, if shields could gain some ground, it would do wonders to change that order. Could we get actual numbers Rattati? How out used/sold is the Scrambler. A list of 1-4 is great, but hard numbers are better. Also, Officer Scramblers please (with an Assault Variant too).
Yep, EHP stacking with Plates is creating an imbalance in the whole ecosystem
"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"
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CCP Rattati
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Posted - 2014.05.16 15:05:00 -
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ResistanceGTA wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:ResistanceGTA wrote:steadyhand amarr wrote:SCR is just a close range sniper rifle you cant use like it an AR because the overheat gets you killed. Thus you cant frontline the SCR. The assult makes up for this but as everyone is amour tanking your better off using the CC or RR.
Hope that makes sense, i would rather the SCR went full auto but lost its power until you reloaded. So you unload it but if u do it to much your using a pea shooter.
With its current overheat method its a lighbitly on the front line *liability Also, the current meta is why the Scrambler is bottom of the barrel as steady said. I got my baby to Prof. V, so, if shields could gain some ground, it would do wonders to change that order. Could we get actual numbers Rattati? How out used/sold is the Scrambler. A list of 1-4 is great, but hard numbers are better. Also, Officer Scramblers please (with an Assault Variant too). Yep, EHP stacking with Plates is creating an imbalance in the whole ecosystem Would, as has been suggested elsewhere, changing plates to a % increase (Heavies get more HP while Scouts get very little) be doable with the current update plans? Or is that something that would require a patch?
That would maybe remedy brick tanking scouts, but not the bigger picture of plate prevalence and lack of variety. There is also lack of incentive to move to higher class plates, as basics are very simple and efficient.
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