I am not making any argument based on "skillz" let's leave that on the console forums please.

I'm arguing based on immersion.

Well you said hit scan is a crutch.
So...

Anyway, it would actually not be immersive, since I know the velocities are so huge for anything other than a few weapons that if I can even feel a hint of bullet drop, then it's immersion breaking.

Plasma Rifles, Rail Rifles, Scrambler Rifles all use technologies that have projectiles moving at absurdly fast speeds. (Or in the case of the scrambler rifle, energy in the form of light and heat)

I am not making any argument based on "skillz" let's leave that on the console forums please.

I'm arguing based on immersion.

This is from the Wiki page:

Advantages[edit]
The primary advantage is the simplicity of the simulation, it uses relatively simple mathematics to calculate hits. Although bullets do not move at infinite speed via perfectly straight trajectories, they move fast enough that a hitscan solution is normally a reasonable approximation. It leaves the question of where a weapon has hit to just one function, streamlining the programming of weapons.

In terms of game design, it readily ties cause (the player presses a 'fire' button, executing a hitscan function) to effect (the hitscan returns a result, the player sees the weapon's effect at that location). While a simplified model of real world ballistics, it makes games more accessible in that there is no need to aim slightly ahead of a moving target in order to compensate for the time it takes for the projectile to reach it. Although less realistic this model requires no understanding of real weapon handling in order to play the game, and reinforces the intuitive understanding that whatever the reticle is placed over will be hit.

Disadvantages[edit]
Visually representing the firing effect of a hitscan weapon can be difficult - since the weapon hits its target instantaneously, any bullet or projectile that comes from the weapon is merely a 'ghost', and where it lands may not necessarily represent its actual hit. In particular, a projectile bullet effect will always lag behind the effect of its hit, a problem which can be compounded by internet latency in online multiplayer gaming.

The hitscan method also precludes ballistics, as it cannot simulate any kind of movement other than a straight line, such as a parabolic arc or atmospheric resistance (including wind direction).

With advances in processing and internet bandwidth, it has become more practical to simulate the ballistic nature of real-world firearms in real-time games by using a more realistic "projectile" model, spawning bullets as actual game objects with mass and velocity and continuously simulating them until they reach their target.

A programming crutch, not an end user crutch. SOrry, I guess I should have been more precise in my wording,

Also Cat, please read through the rest of the posts it isn't just about projectile drop.

You don't have to be close for the LAv to be in the line of fire. That makes no sense.

I've already stated many reasons that Legion would benefit from minimizing hitscan, and yes it is certainly a programming crutch.

Regardless of where hypothetical exploding LAV with hypothetical physics and destruction engine is, the chances of hitting a piece of debris with a hitscan weapon and with a travel time weapon are similar. It's practically random.

What reasons?
Ricochet? You can have that with hitscan.
Vastly longer engagement ranges? You're suggesting changing fundamental parts of the game that are fine as they are.
To increase 'skill' required? There's no practical difference.

EDIT: I see you've quoted a wikipedia article suggesting otherwise. I don't believe it's that difficult to run a second calculation from the point of intersection.

It isn't.
The Halo 3 sniper rifle does that, and don't quote me on that but I believe even the Halo 1 sniper did.
Those have some pretty mean ricochet.

This is where game mechanics and game lore dont agree.

Take a look at any weapon that fires a projectile... do those rounds look like they are firing at 2500 m/s? Its more like ~100 m/s or so to me. They really need to fix that... either rewrite the lore or change the mechanic... doesnt matter.

So we know the forge guns and rail guns are both projectiles which are not hitscan weapons and definitely suffer from CQC issues. Hitscan = bullet magnetism from what I understand (I know aim assist is a large contributor to bullet magnetism as well).

If its not expensive, I think Buster has a point. There is a reason they dont have hitscan weapons in BF4 after all.

It would truly make low rof weapons like the rail rifle intrinsically bad in CQC and high RoF weapons (all min bullet hoses) very powerful in CQC.

Was this directed at me? Because I clearly stated: "But considering limitations in technology, other weapons may have to have hit scan out of necessity."

I'm fairly certain that rail guns don't have electromagnetic rounds, so much as the rounds are propelled by a magnetic field generated by an electric current. As for light beams having hit scan, it makes sense because nothing moves faster than light to my knowledge and the distances the light beam travels is too short to matter. Although this same reasoning can be applied to other weapons as well.

Hybrid rounds, according to lore, are containers that suspend plasma using electromagnetic fields to contain plasma. It is the choice munition of the Caldari and Gallente. Although the Gallente plasma rifle, shotgun, and ion pistol appear to fire plasma instead of hybrid rounds.

Don't honestly know if the projectile speed of Minmatar weapons is the same as the speed of sound.

Light can be affected by gravity. Its why black holes are black.

The physics from your posts sound odd to me. Can you explain in great detail and source where you are coming up with your theories?

A programming crutch, not an end user crutch. SOrry, I guess I should have been more precise in my wording,

Also Cat, please read through the rest of the posts it isn't just about projectile drop.

Question for the people saying hitscan doesnt matter...

Do you think if they changed the railgun and the forge gun to hitscan it would matter?

Question for the people saying hitscan doesnt matter...

Do you think if they changed the railgun and the forge gun to hitscan it would matter?