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Echo 1991
WarRavens
Final Resolution.
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Posted - 2014.05.20 18:33:00 -
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JP Acuna wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:JP Acuna wrote:a 80 second cloak is a proto one.
a level 5 Gal Logi can have a 15db precision with the Duvolle Focused Scanner. You can even go further down in PASSIVE precision with at least 4 suits.
You're talking about a maxed out scout here, then consider a maxed out counter too.
Active scanning is a great advantage, you can't expect to see everyone through walls, especially scouts who are made for stealth. It goes down to 16db not 15. 25% of 20 is 4. 20-4 = 16 Use a calculator. It says 15. 25% of 20 is 5.
My mistake. It still gets lower than 15. Still cant be scanned. |
Echo 1991
WarRavens
Final Resolution.
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Posted - 2014.05.20 18:36:00 -
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You do seem to forget that no scanner can scan any scout when cloaked apart from the a focused scanner. That is not balanced |
JP Acuna
Pendejitos
Zero-Day
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Posted - 2014.05.20 18:39:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:JP Acuna wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:JP Acuna wrote:a 80 second cloak is a proto one.
a level 5 Gal Logi can have a 15db precision with the Duvolle Focused Scanner. You can even go further down in PASSIVE precision with at least 4 suits.
You're talking about a maxed out scout here, then consider a maxed out counter too.
Active scanning is a great advantage, you can't expect to see everyone through walls, especially scouts who are made for stealth. It goes down to 16db not 15. 25% of 20 is 4. 20-4 = 16 Use a calculator. It says 15. 25% of 20 is 5. My mistake. It still gets lower than 15. Still cant be scanned.
Which is good. It's the stealthiest suit.
Scanning is for tactical purposes (orbital strikes, ADS strikes, squad positioning, finding uplinks and now even remote explosives!!) not for seeing everyone. Unless you're a Cal scout, but then again you have a limit for dampening, just like the Gal scout has a limit for precision. |
Echo 1991
WarRavens
Final Resolution.
295
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Posted - 2014.05.20 18:46:00 -
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JP Acuna wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:JP Acuna wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:JP Acuna wrote:a 80 second cloak is a proto one.
a level 5 Gal Logi can have a 15db precision with the Duvolle Focused Scanner. You can even go further down in PASSIVE precision with at least 4 suits.
You're talking about a maxed out scout here, then consider a maxed out counter too.
Active scanning is a great advantage, you can't expect to see everyone through walls, especially scouts who are made for stealth. It goes down to 16db not 15. 25% of 20 is 4. 20-4 = 16 Use a calculator. It says 15. 25% of 20 is 5. My mistake. It still gets lower than 15. Still cant be scanned. Which is good. It's the stealthiest suit. Scanning is for tactical purposes (orbital strikes, ADS strikes, squad positioning, finding uplinks and now even remote explosives!!) not for seeing everyone. Unless you're a Cal scout, but then again you have a limit for dampening, just like the Gal scout has a limit for precision.
Caldari scout can do the same if the lows use damps.
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JP Acuna
Pendejitos
Zero-Day
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Posted - 2014.05.20 18:58:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:
Caldari scout can do the same if the lows use damps.
Well, they're all scouts. Who said scanners were made to spot scouts anyway. They're all stealthy suits. I don't think that being unable to scan them is an imbalance. It would break the role, the cloak, and it would be OP. Not being seen is not the same as seeing all. |
Temias Mercurial
Knights Of Ender
Galactic Skyfleet Empire
86
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Posted - 2014.05.20 19:27:00 -
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JP Acuna wrote:a 80 second cloak is a proto one.
a level 5 Gal Logi can have a 15db precision with the Duvolle Focused Scanner. You can even go further down in PASSIVE precision with at least 4 suits.
You're talking about a maxed out scout here, then consider a maxed out counter too.
Active scanning is a great advantage, you can't expect to see everyone through walls, especially scouts who are made for stealth.
As a side note, who actually uses the proto cloak? I and anyone I play with think it's highly unnecessary to be cloaked for a minute and 20 seconds. Basic is suitable, and advanced is a luxury. |
Echo 1991
WarRavens
Final Resolution.
295
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Posted - 2014.05.20 19:51:00 -
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JP Acuna wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:
Caldari scout can do the same if the lows use damps.
Well, they're all scouts. Who said scanners were made to spot scouts anyway. They're all stealthy suits. I don't think that being unable to scan them is an imbalance. It would break the role, the cloak, and it would be OP. Not being seen is not the same as seeing all.
Yes but that person who cant be scanned can scan almost everyone else without needing an equipment. |
Ld Collins
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
145
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Posted - 2014.05.20 20:02:00 -
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Varoth Drac wrote:Ld Collins wrote:[Its not one suit its all of the scout suits its not about being able to see cloaked scouts with your eye its about the scan tool not being able to pick scouts up. How coukd things possible be balanced if the only class that can make use of a scan took is a proto logi with a proto focused scanner.
Proto focused is a joke too 5 second visibility 40 second cool down. Yeah thats very ideal extremely useful and so op that scouts would be ruined if they were spotted for a whole 5 seconds. 6.25 secs if you a maxed logi what a joke. Scanners didn't scan scouts in 1.7. Apart from focused scanners, scanners aren't designed to scan scouts. You can't be a scout if you are scanned all the time. That said, I think scanners were over-nerfed, they should have their scan arc increased (maybe to 90 degrees) to make up for the removal of spin scanning. Also I think there should be an advanced focused scanner. However, you are not meant to rely on scanners to counter scouts. Team play, communication and awareness counter scouts very effectively.
Spin scanning was removed and if those were the only scanners that could scan a scout where does it make sense to give scouts a 25% bonus to dampening while cloaked. We're talking about scanners that have a 40 second cool down and 5-6 visibility. I bet a scout can run from one objective to the next in 40 secs. In 40 second s a scout can cover 320 meters while cloaked. |
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