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Makuta Miserix
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Posted - 2014.05.10 13:23:00 -
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RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote:I got resogun which was -ú12.99-15.99. It boasted some graphical amazement but it was a re hashed side scroll space ship shooter.............
I stopped reading here.
Finally a bitter vet. Thanks CCP.
Dust 514 Private Beta
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emtbraincase
Falconpunch Hatesurfers
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Posted - 2014.05.10 14:02:00 -
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Maitue Mae wrote:Marc Rime wrote:OP: Why do you assume that money (or lack of) is the reason other people prefer to play on a console? Because there is no reason not to buy a computer, unless the user has limited intelligence or wallet. How about we HATE using a PC for FPS games? Strategy and RPG games are better IMO on PC, but I become an uncoordinated mess of uselessness when I FPS on PC with a kb/m. So I will NEVER want Dust/Legion/anything for a PC no matter how hard you try to convince me otherwise. I can attach a controller, but why when I like my console just fine, it's CCP who doesn't.
If you don't like spaghetti, would someone telling you that the you could make your spaghetti any way you want, while spending half as much as pizza (which you love) over time, would that be enough of a reason to eat spaghetti instead? No, because you don't like it. Cost/benefit analysis has more to do with this than you think. There is almost no cost reduction, or benefit you could mention, which would encourage me to play FPS games on PC (short of giving me a free gaming rig with the game I want, which I would accept and play for a day then start using the rig to do something other than playing FPS because I can't stand it).
Learn to read, we have been trying to tell people this, and they always turn it into a cost analysis, or financial aspects analysis, instead of what it really is.....WE HATE FPS GAMES ON PC. Your argument is invalid because cost, ability, graphics, etc mean nothing to us when we don't enjoy the experience. |
Maitue Mae
Vortex State Empire
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Posted - 2014.05.10 14:16:00 -
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emtbraincase wrote:Maitue Mae wrote:Marc Rime wrote:OP: Why do you assume that money (or lack of) is the reason other people prefer to play on a console? Because there is no reason not to buy a computer, unless the user has limited intelligence or wallet. How about we HATE using a PC for FPS games? Strategy and RPG games are better IMO on PC, but I become an uncoordinated mess of uselessness when I FPS on PC with a kb/m. So I will NEVER want Dust/Legion/anything for a PC no matter how hard you try to convince me otherwise. I can attach a controller, but why when I like my console just fine, it's CCP who doesn't. If you don't like spaghetti, would someone telling you that the you could make your spaghetti any way you want, while spending half as much as pizza (which you love) over time, would that be enough of a reason to eat spaghetti instead? No, because you don't like it. Cost/benefit analysis has more to do with this than you think. There is almost no cost reduction, or benefit you could mention, which would encourage me to play FPS games on PC (short of giving me a free gaming rig with the game I want, which I would accept and play for a day then start using the rig to do something other than playing FPS because I can't stand it). Learn to read, we have been trying to tell people this, and they always turn it into a cost analysis, or financial aspects analysis, instead of what it really is.....WE HATE FPS GAMES ON PC. Your argument is invalid because cost, ability, graphics, etc mean nothing to us when we don't enjoy the experience.
Case and point. Intellegence is the factor of getting fun out of using the computer. Do you know that there are game controllers for the computer? They don't even cost much. Also, I can't resist using your spaghetti example. Have you ever tried Pizza Pasta? It's spaghetti with pepperoni, mozzerela, and other stuff you'd put on a pizza.
MAG SVER Veteran.
Five Hundredth and Fourteenth Legion: The Dusters.
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emtbraincase
Falconpunch Hatesurfers
147
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Posted - 2014.05.10 14:28:00 -
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Maitue Mae wrote:emtbraincase wrote:Maitue Mae wrote:Marc Rime wrote:OP: Why do you assume that money (or lack of) is the reason other people prefer to play on a console? Because there is no reason not to buy a computer, unless the user has limited intelligence or wallet. How about we HATE using a PC for FPS games? Strategy and RPG games are better IMO on PC, but I become an uncoordinated mess of uselessness when I FPS on PC with a kb/m. So I will NEVER want Dust/Legion/anything for a PC no matter how hard you try to convince me otherwise. I can attach a controller, but why when I like my console just fine, it's CCP who doesn't. If you don't like spaghetti, would someone telling you that the you could make your spaghetti any way you want, while spending half as much as pizza (which you love) over time, would that be enough of a reason to eat spaghetti instead? No, because you don't like it. Cost/benefit analysis has more to do with this than you think. There is almost no cost reduction, or benefit you could mention, which would encourage me to play FPS games on PC (short of giving me a free gaming rig with the game I want, which I would accept and play for a day then start using the rig to do something other than playing FPS because I can't stand it). Learn to read, we have been trying to tell people this, and they always turn it into a cost analysis, or financial aspects analysis, instead of what it really is.....WE HATE FPS GAMES ON PC. Your argument is invalid because cost, ability, graphics, etc mean nothing to us when we don't enjoy the experience. Case and point. Intellegence is the factor of getting fun out of using the computer. Do you know that there are game controllers for the computer? They don't even cost much. Also, I can't resist using your spaghetti example. Have you ever tried Pizza Pasta? It's spaghetti with pepperoni, mozzerela, and other stuff you'd put on a pizza. LMAO @ u
We all OBVIOUSLY have computers/PC because we are on these forums. We get use/fun out of a computer, but not when used for FPS games. I've tried several controllers and they ALL have issues which make them inferior IN MY OWN EYES to a console controller. Likely lag/delays from older hardware causing noticeable issues, which means that my PC does EVERYTHING I WANT IT TOO. It doesn't run FPS games well, and it doesn't function as well (accuracy/lag/latency) with controllers as kb/m, but I don't ask it to do those things so a console controller functions better.
I already addressed the controller in my own post, but you apparently ignored it, so I did it just above in case it wasn't clear enough for your apparently greater intelligence.
Aaaaaand finally, it still has spaghetti in it. Spaghetti is the noodle, if you don't like noodles, there is nothing you could put on top that would change that fact. Learn to analogy. |
ResistanceGTA
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.05.10 14:35:00 -
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Maitue Mae wrote:Marc Rime wrote:OP: Why do you assume that money (or lack of) is the reason other people prefer to play on a console? Because there is no reason not to buy a computer, unless the user has limited intelligence or wallet.
I don't need another thing just for gaming... That's my reason. I have the money, if my expenditures as of late have proven anything ($300 worth of blu-rays that I have never even seen in the past week, for instance, which still confounds me). A PC would look out of place in my set-up, and running a controller versus KB/m is rather unfair, they'll have the advantage most of the time. I won't switch to KB/m as I use that **** everyday at work and want something different.
Lumping everyone together, god, now I remember why I hate gaming communities in general. (And, yes, I realize I lumped everyone together in that statement... I'm becoming one of you guys.)
Peace
I 'support' EVE:Legion. Since the PS4 is just a dream, make it easy to sell our characters and our Beta access...
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RogueTrooper 2000AD
RoyaLBanKof
51
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Posted - 2014.05.10 14:36:00 -
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plaplapla wrote:RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote:lrian Locust wrote:So basically you're saying that stealing games is cheaper than buying them?
At least I have my pride! No, pirate bay did that for you. They had a whole database. The top guy was a dude operating from a shack in Vietnam or something lol. It was as simple as googling pirate bay lol. yes lets play stolen games that way the game companys dont make any more money to make more game PC master race bankrupting game companys yea your great for the gaming world
The money they get for milking you halfwits clearly pays off.
Now concerning the tears in this thread, you poor scrubbers.........
Please get a bucket and allow the tears to fall away from your faces directly into the bucket so as not to get any impure grease mixed with it.
Thank you.
Dust.......the most immersive and meaningful mmofps ehever.
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Maitue Mae
Vortex State Empire
79
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Posted - 2014.05.10 14:37:00 -
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emtbraincase wrote:Maitue Mae wrote:emtbraincase wrote:Maitue Mae wrote:Marc Rime wrote:OP: Why do you assume that money (or lack of) is the reason other people prefer to play on a console? Because there is no reason not to buy a computer, unless the user has limited intelligence or wallet. How about we HATE using a PC for FPS games? Strategy and RPG games are better IMO on PC, but I become an uncoordinated mess of uselessness when I FPS on PC with a kb/m. So I will NEVER want Dust/Legion/anything for a PC no matter how hard you try to convince me otherwise. I can attach a controller, but why when I like my console just fine, it's CCP who doesn't. If you don't like spaghetti, would someone telling you that the you could make your spaghetti any way you want, while spending half as much as pizza (which you love) over time, would that be enough of a reason to eat spaghetti instead? No, because you don't like it. Cost/benefit analysis has more to do with this than you think. There is almost no cost reduction, or benefit you could mention, which would encourage me to play FPS games on PC (short of giving me a free gaming rig with the game I want, which I would accept and play for a day then start using the rig to do something other than playing FPS because I can't stand it). Learn to read, we have been trying to tell people this, and they always turn it into a cost analysis, or financial aspects analysis, instead of what it really is.....WE HATE FPS GAMES ON PC. Your argument is invalid because cost, ability, graphics, etc mean nothing to us when we don't enjoy the experience. Case and point. Intellegence is the factor of getting fun out of using the computer. Do you know that there are game controllers for the computer? They don't even cost much. Also, I can't resist using your spaghetti example. Have you ever tried Pizza Pasta? It's spaghetti with pepperoni, mozzerela, and other stuff you'd put on a pizza. LMAO @ u We all OBVIOUSLY have computers/PC because we are on these forums. We get use/fun out of a computer, but not when used for FPS games. I've tried several controllers and they ALL have issues which make them inferior IN MY OWN EYES to a console controller. Likely lag/delays from older hardware causing noticeable issues, which means that my PC does EVERYTHING I WANT IT TOO. It doesn't run FPS games well, and it doesn't function as well (accuracy/lag/latency) with controllers as kb/m, but I don't ask it to do those things so a console controller functions better. I already addressed the controller in my own post, but you apparently ignored it, so I did it just above in case it wasn't clear enough for your apparently greater intelligence. Aaaaaand finally, it still has spaghetti in it. Spaghetti is the noodle, if you don't like noodles, there is nothing you could put on top that would change that fact. Learn to analogy.
This is actualy quite fun. Flaming on the forums.
MAG SVER Veteran.
Five Hundredth and Fourteenth Legion: The Dusters.
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RogueTrooper 2000AD
RoyaLBanKof
51
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Posted - 2014.05.10 14:38:00 -
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Makuta Miserix wrote:RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote:I got resogun which was -ú12.99-15.99. It boasted some graphical amazement but it was a re hashed side scroll space ship shooter............. I stopped reading here.
Willful ignorance, you fine typical specimen you.
Dust.......the most immersive and meaningful mmofps ehever.
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Hairy Butter
Fairy Fleet
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Posted - 2014.05.10 14:46:00 -
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A game worth playing is a game worth buying; The way marketing works with videogames (paying for positive press) I cant really fault people for sometimes downloading an "extended demo" or things they cant conveniently purchase (like Emulator ROM's), I dont even think people who genuinely cant afford to pay for games are "immoral" in any significant way because they pirate.
But factoring piracy in when talking about how affordable pc gaming is... Seriously Lame... Support videogame art, dont be a scrub, many good steam deals are like the cost of a pack of cigarettes or less.
Gaming is a very cheap hobby when you concider the hours upon hours of entertainment a single really good game can give people. |
Awesome Pantaloons
Lokapalas.
479
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Posted - 2014.05.10 14:53:00 -
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The reason I really hate PC gaming is because when it comes to console games you can just go out and buy a game for the system and you KNOW that it will ******* work. On PC, I see a game that I really want, so I check the specs and think I might be able to run it only to find out that I need to upgrade something. Then, I might be able to run a game but then they update it and I have to upgrade to keep playing. It's horseshit. Way too frustrating, much more costly in the long run.
Also, I am willing to ritually sacrifice as many goats as it takes to make sure that Legion never takes off and ends up worse than Dust.
"The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
-The Code of Demeanor
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RogueTrooper 2000AD
RoyaLBanKof
51
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Posted - 2014.05.10 14:55:00 -
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Awesome Pantaloons wrote:The reason I really hate PC gaming is because when it comes to console games you can just go out and buy a game for the system and you KNOW that it will ******* work. On PC, I see a game that I really want, so I check the specs and think I might be able to run it only to find out that I need to upgrade something. Then, I might be able to run a game but then they update it and I have to upgrade to keep playing. It's horseshit. Way too frustrating, much more costly in the long run.
Incorrect, don't blame your own shortcomings on PC gaming.
Dust.......the most immersive and meaningful mmofps ehever.
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RogueTrooper 2000AD
RoyaLBanKof
51
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Posted - 2014.05.10 14:56:00 -
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Maitue Mae wrote:Marc Rime wrote:OP: Why do you assume that money (or lack of) is the reason other people prefer to play on a console? Because there is no reason not to buy a computer, unless the user has limited intelligence or wallet.
This.
Dust.......the most immersive and meaningful mmofps ehever.
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Awesome Pantaloons
Lokapalas.
479
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Posted - 2014.05.10 15:03:00 -
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RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote:Awesome Pantaloons wrote:The reason I really hate PC gaming is because when it comes to console games you can just go out and buy a game for the system and you KNOW that it will ******* work. On PC, I see a game that I really want, so I check the specs and think I might be able to run it only to find out that I need to upgrade something. Then, I might be able to run a game but then they update it and I have to upgrade to keep playing. It's horseshit. Way too frustrating, much more costly in the long run. Incorrect, don't blame your own shortcomings on PC gaming.
I do blame it on PC gaming. I have better things to spend money on that constant upgrades to play games :P That's how that market is designed. It's a pit that just takes in money. Sure, it might be worth it because of the great **** you can run but I'm fine with console. I don't care about graphics at all, which is basically everyone's obsession. I just want to play an enjoyable game.
We're not going to have this childish debate of which is better. PC and console both have advantages and shortcomings. For me, console will always win.
"The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
-The Code of Demeanor
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
789
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Posted - 2014.05.10 15:41:00 -
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Maitue Mae wrote:
What? Using the computer platform isn't using a jack of all trades. You will be able to custimize EVERYTHING (That means Jack of All Trades btw) on your computer to whatever you want it to be. There is NO limitation. Well, there is. It's your intelligence.
Your argument is so poorly based in the now, that you are unable to use any foresight, aren't you?
Reminds me of an argument regarding airplanes and trains, when airplanes first came out. People claimed that airplanes were inferior to trains, and would never become a mass transit system quite obviously because they were weak, capable of only holding one person at a time, and were relatively slow. Trains at that time were capable of going over 200 MPH, could carry tons upon tons of cargo, and hundreds of passengers. As time passed, airplanes became more specialized and able to travel faster, and further. Now, most people use airplanes or cars to travel long distances, trains are still used, but mainly for cargo where time is not an issue, or in places where airplanes just don't make sense, such as a subway system within a city.
Basically, I'm asking you to actually look at things logically. You can emulate anything you want with a computer using current graphics systems etc, but if you try to use dual 3-D imaging, the system has a bit of a problem distributing the image, and it comes out far more choppy than a normal image (see Occulus Rift) If you had a chip that could render an image, then output the composite angles separately, while completely self-automated, you would get excellent stereoscopic output, but that same system would have problems trying to output to a 2-D screen.
Hence if you actually wanted the best of both worlds, you'd have to have TWO separate graphics cards in every computer. Then You'd have to make individual cards for each new function that might come out, once they become refined. To plug all those different cards and chips into one computer just to "have everything optimum" would make it incredibly clunky, they would probably have to double, if not triple the tower space just to get everything in there.
Or, they could take the route of slightly degraded performance in all functions, by having the chips inside just emulate the processes. The emulation would be slower, and never optimal. Extra CPU would be needed at all times to run what a native chip could do without CPU involvement.
http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU Dust to Dust, theme
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Marc Rime
390
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Posted - 2014.05.10 15:55:00 -
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Maitue Mae wrote:Marc Rime wrote:OP: Why do you assume that money (or lack of) is the reason other people prefer to play on a console? Because there is no reason not to buy a computer, unless the user has limited intelligence or wallet. Funny you should mention limited intelligence. |
Dr Dammit
Sognariket Logistics
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Posted - 2014.05.10 16:04:00 -
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plaplapla wrote:RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote:lrian Locust wrote:So basically you're saying that stealing games is cheaper than buying them?
At least I have my pride! No, pirate bay did that for you. They had a whole database. The top guy was a dude operating from a shack in Vietnam or something lol. It was as simple as googling pirate bay lol. yes lets play stolen games that way the game companys dont make any more money to make more game PC master race bankrupting game companys yea your great for the gaming world
The Bay of Criminal Sailors has it's own sections for Playstation and Xbox games. Pretty sure they're not legit. |
Maitue Mae
Vortex State Empire
81
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Posted - 2014.05.10 16:18:00 -
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:Maitue Mae wrote:
What? Using the computer platform isn't using a jack of all trades. You will be able to custimize EVERYTHING (That means Jack of All Trades btw) on your computer to whatever you want it to be. There is NO limitation. Well, there is. It's your intelligence.
Your argument is so poorly based in the now, that you are unable to use any foresight, aren't you? Reminds me of an argument regarding airplanes and trains, when airplanes first came out. People claimed that airplanes were inferior to trains, and would never become a mass transit system quite obviously because they were weak, capable of only holding one person at a time, and were relatively slow. Trains at that time were capable of going over 200 MPH, could carry tons upon tons of cargo, and hundreds of passengers. As time passed, airplanes became more specialized and able to travel faster, and further. Now, most people use airplanes or cars to travel long distances, trains are still used, but mainly for cargo where time is not an issue, or in places where airplanes just don't make sense, such as a subway system within a city. Basically, I'm asking you to actually look at things logically. You can emulate anything you want with a computer using current graphics systems etc, but if you try to use dual 3-D imaging, the system has a bit of a problem distributing the image, and it comes out far more choppy than a normal image (see Occulus Rift) If you had a chip that could render an image, then output the composite angles separately, while completely self-automated, you would get excellent stereoscopic output, but that same system would have problems trying to output to a 2-D screen. Hence if you actually wanted the best of both worlds, you'd have to have TWO separate graphics cards in every computer. Then You'd have to make individual cards for each new function that might come out, once they become refined. To plug all those different cards and chips into one computer just to "have everything optimum" would make it incredibly clunky, they would probably have to double, if not triple the tower space just to get everything in there. Or, they could take the route of slightly degraded performance in all functions, by having the chips inside just emulate the processes. The emulation would be slower, and never optimal. Extra CPU would be needed at all times to run what a native chip could do without CPU involvement.
What I'm trying to point out is that they are not a Jack of all trades. They are a Master of all trades. If my computer will be that "Clunky", then it will be. I will be able to do what ever I want on it because it is a Computer, not a purpose built console.
MAG SVER Veteran.
Five Hundredth and Fourteenth Legion: The Dusters.
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lrian Locust
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
443
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Posted - 2014.05.15 21:15:00 -
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For my designing and recording work I want a Mac with matte dual screens, ergonomically positioned on my disk, with stereo speakers.
For gaming I want hidden, always-ready, no-maintenance computer/console with wireless controllers and a big ass glossy screen in front of a comfy couch, with surround sound and a fridge nearby.
For me, working and a gaming computers are completely different. And I want to keep it that way. Game time is not office time. |
Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1486
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Posted - 2014.05.15 21:25:00 -
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RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote:blah blah blah i have no taste in games blah blah random PC elisist garbage whine whine because I don't have any taste in games you all must feel the same way I do about those games groan moan even though I've mostly just played the worst of the ps4 line up I know that all ps4 stuff must suck ***** moan whine buy a PC
PSN ID: AlbelNox2569
MAG Vet ~ Raven
R.I.P.~ Dust, R.I.P.~ MAG
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Duran Lex
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
991
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Posted - 2014.05.15 21:30:00 -
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The only thing I was able to take from this thread is you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
Ff14 limited to only 60 per server? You might wanna rethink that, considering there are thousands logged in at a time on the popular servers, and it's cross platform between ps3, ps4 and the PC.
I just can't get past that ignorance. |
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