NVM

Ok so if things like weapons and tanks cost materials to produce, than if I have a BPO original for a caldari LAV than it should give me a considerable discount on the materials needed to produce it, right ? Am I under standing this or not ?

Ok so if things like weapons and tanks cost materials to produce, than if I have a BPO original for a caldari LAV than it should give me a considerable discount on the materials needed to produce it, right ? Am I under standing this or not ?

Because that is what it is supposed to be in the first place. A Blue print on how to make something and not an infinite item.

Because the player in Eve can exist without a ship, and because ships are part of a deep resource cycle. They have a cost because players make them from their own time. Some guy mines veldspar for a few hours and sells the results of that work for what he considers fair, then buyer takes that and combines it with other minerals to make a ship. The floor cost of the ship is the purchase price of the minerals. You can also build your own ships if you can't find them on the market / have the isk for them. That's not the case with dropsuits.

And the biggest difference, dropsuits are lost dozens of times in a night. Nobody loses more than a few ships in a weekend unless they're really trying to. Most ships are owned for a very long period of time which is where the emotional connection to the ship comes in. You don't really get that with something you have to replace dozens of times in a night. This is something that was talked about at Eve Vegas.

Ether way, It is something special that I have because I played DUST 514 and others will not have. Unless they purchase it or trade for it as well.

Also it must give some very small advantage in the game and be a little more than just a cosmetic item, as it was in dust. This time perhaps balance BPO originals more so that it is not desirable to abuse them so much.

Not sure what you guys are talking about but the new talk about LEGION and character transfers is very exciting to me. I am starting to get interested in LEGION. I am saving for a new PC, perhaps and will try to learn more about EVE as I still have my 60 day free thing from the collectors edition.

Okay a few things.

1. Better suits that are unlocked will only be more specialized. Imagine if you just took out all of the standard and advanced suits in Dust and only had prototype suits. Now add two different types of each prototype suit that fit different gameplay styles and you have Legion.

2. Just because they don't cost anything doesn't mean they won't be worth anything to the player. With the re-pricing of items, the best fittings will still cost you quite a bit of isk. The whole point is to allow players to run whatever suit they want to to make the game feel more diverse and alive. Right now in Dust we see the majority of players running standard or mlt suits because they can't afford to run anything else. This makes the games unbalanced because the players that are willing to run their expensive suits can easily dominate a team that are not willing to run those suits. It make the game boring and stale if you're only killing the same starter suits over and over again.

3. Speaking of balance, the new NPE and sandbox PVE will allow new players to get their sp and understanding up before they get into PVP. Have you ever played a match where at least 10 players on each side were running their best gear and going at it? These are by far the most fun and intense matches.

I support Legion BPO suits, but I wouldn't ever support Dust BPO suits. Dust high tier suits have an obvious advantage over the lower tiers, but Legion suits will all be role specific, meaning that suits won't be better than the previous suits, but will be better at doing one thing or another. The basic suits will just be average at everything.

And finally, if these suits won't be any better or worse (just more specialized), why would they be priced differently? Exactly, they wouldn't, which means that putting a price on them would be stupid since you would have to pay the exact same price every single time.

The reason prototype suits seem so valuable is that they cost 7x more than advanced, and have better slot loadouts and pg/cpu. If there was nothing for them to be compared to that makes them obviously better, then they lose their value.

+1 couldn't say it any better and you are absolutely right I hate matches where the other team gives up and only uses their starter suits its to easy and I hate it more then loosing.

I don't really like to write in caps on rage, but...

EVERY STRUCTURE AND ASSET SHOULD BE DESTRUCTIBLE, BECAUSE THIS IS NEW EDEN, AND IN NEW EDEN NOTHING IS PERMANENT! AND EVERYTHING HAVE A PRICE - EVEN DEATH!

@Maken

No, everything should have both a BPO and an associated cost. The Isk cost should roughly reflect the Isk cost of the materials necessary to make the item in question.

I don't really like to write in caps on rage, but...

EVERY STRUCTURE AND ASSET SHOULD BE DESTRUCTIBLE, BECAUSE THIS IS NEW EDEN, AND IN NEW EDEN NOTHING IS PERMANENT! AND EVERYTHING HAVE A PRICE - EVEN DEATH!

@Maken

No, everything should have both a BPO and an associated cost. The Isk cost should roughly reflect the Isk cost of the materials necessary to make the item in question.

Ill sum it up quickly it as possible.

How quickly annoying it would be if you had to re-create attributes of your character every time you died?

Suits are being shifted to become more of your character than an module so things like cosmetics comes to mind.

The feeling of loss and reservation can be kept with modules you apply to the suits but the admiration for what the suit becomes only grows if the player gets to keep it instead of losing it every time they die. Espeically if its a cosmetic with limited life span.

I mean how many of you want to see the quafe suit fielded more often? Asoma? Oblivion? Hazard? there is a whole list of suits I refuse to wear because even though I have a supply of them and they have similar stats to other suits the fact is I cannot get anymore of them. So the most I can do is wear them in the warbarge to show off and thats it.

This goes back to the whole if you cannot afford to lose it dont fly it. BPO suits would alleviate the fear of losing special items earned or granted or obtained as well and would help increase player emotional investment into the suits.

I wanted to contribute to this thread

"Losing your dropsuit should not hurt"
- CCP Z

This song is dedicated to CCP Z: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU-s2yWgEI8

You got the wrong song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijZRCIrTgQc
git gud nub

Please present a strong argument supporting this, please. <---- Notice I said "please" twice so you know I'm asking politely.

PS: Fleet of a thousand Ibises. Enough said.