Faced with the same choice that the CPM-0 had to make, would you:


A) Wuss out and stop doing what you were elected to do, thereby wasting the time of everyone who voted for you

B) Stay in the CPM?


I think the answer to this question is important. I also think that refusing to answer can be considered an answer itself.

B) No point in running for CPM if you're only going to be there for one tough issue. CCP is constantly doing stupid things, which is why the CPM has to be there constantly to help them be less dumb.

I would instead spam them with messages continually informing them how dumb they are, because even with the devs that I like, thye too need to know how stupid their coworkers are being and by association and not also telling them how dumb they are acting are equally to blame.

@Tech De Ra

Actually, no one ever voted for CPM-0. CPM-0 only had to answer to themselves and what they thought was the better way to defend the community's interests.

Your question was aimed at CPM1, it was nothing to do with CPM0

I'd stay. There's a laundry list of reasons, from telling CCP how wrong they are prior to doing something like this (not that the action was inherently wrong, but their way of handling the entire thing was), and also for the fact that if CPM members start quitting at hard choices, why have a CPM at all?

Quitting undermines the CPM's current position, and undermines future CPMs. CCP wont go to CPM for anything meaningful if they get a reputation for quitting at difficult crossroads.

My question starts with: "Faced with the same choice that the CPM-0 had to make,". I'm afraid it has everything to do with CPM0. Actually, without taking into account how CPM0 acted, there is no question at all.

However, I take note that you'd not quit either. Since I was asking this to CPM candidates, are you an alt of a CPM candidate or a current CPM, or just the alt of a regular player?

Choosing to continue to run after the announcement is an answer in itself, is it not?

Glad to hear other people thinking like we do. I am much less worried about CPM 1 now.

Impact of the CPM on Dust? I hope that CCP never listened to them, so they can say 0. If CCP actually listened to them, very negative. Just look at the game.

I'm starting to think your initial question was a little weighed against CPM0

Anyone that has followed my posts knows that for me, CPM 0 failed to defend the community. I've heard their reasons to act as they did, and while some of them make sense, I still feel that they should have all resigned like Caz did. The first duty of the CPM should be to the community they supposedly represent, not to CCP, and all of them resigning would have raised a flag which would have been very difficult to ignore.

If CCP chose to discontinue the CPM after them resigning, it would not have mattered much, since according to them they have all but been ignored their entire term. Better to have no CPM than an useless one.

By staying, we can continue to remind them that they made that mistake. Over. And over. And over.

Why simply quit, when we can torture them for the rest of the year about it? =)

@Tech De Ra

Resigning is the absolute last resort for a CPM. But I think it was called for in this case. The first and main reason for the CPM/CSM existing is to protect the playerbase and the game from CCP. Their role is not being game designers. That's secondary.

*CPM-0 has been unable to protect the playerbase. Up to the fanfest, CCP was making Aurum events and promoting the game as if it was going to continue. Some Dust players spend a lot of money flying to Iceland because they believed Dust was going to continue being developed. The moment CPM-0 realized they had no way to protect the players from that, they should have resigned.

*CPM-0 has been unable to protect the game from CCP. Dust is dead, except as maybe a way for CCP to test some changes in the mechanics or balancing gear.

So yes, CPM-0 failed in defending both the players and the game. If they had all resigned, and announced that resignation on the forums, that would have make people start asking questions. Probably some travels to Iceland would have been cancelled. And at least they would have been able to face us with a straight face. That's just my opinion, of course. However, this has already been debated in multiple threads, and is not the point of this one.

The point of this thread is to know the stance of all the candidates on this issue. Whatever they say, at least nobody will be able to accuse them of deceiving their voters, so it's a win/win situation for them to state their opinion.

The community has this strange fantasy of what the CPM"s job is really supposed to be about. Sometimes the CPM does get caught in it and it leads to bad things happening for everyone but if anyone gets confused go read the white papers again.

It is also so damn easy for outsiders of the NDA to chive us at every moment and judge us for actions or inactions. So lets do little scenario.

You are amongst the CPM and were told about CCP Rogue's pitch for a PC platform; you convince your fellows to resign and even make a resignation post. 6 months later; FanFest is thrown and Project Legion is announced; but the more features you hear, the more you think to yourself in your rage you are further infuriated that the game being pitched is nothing that Dust 514 was inspiring to become instead it was something not even worth mentioning belonging being in the eve universe.

And now the fan players like myself; players who been dreaming the the dream that dust 514 was supposed to be achieved are now calling accusations of your betrayal to letting the dream die because you didn't have the courage to weather either storm and you let legion become a total effing mess that just gets filed under incarna level screw up and never to be visited again any time soon.

I just want a PS4 port! D:

It is also so damn easy for outsiders of the NDA to chive us at every moment and judge us for actions or inactions. So lets do little scenario.

[You are amongst the CPM and were told about CCP Rogue's pitch for a PC platform; you convince your fellows to resign and even make a resignation post. 6 months later; FanFest is thrown and Project Legion is announced; but the more features you hear, the more you think to yourself in your rage you are further infuriated that the game being pitched is nothing that Dust 514 was inspiring to become instead it was something not even worth mentioning belonging being in the eve universe.

[And now the fan players like myself; players who been dreaming the the dream that dust 514 was supposed to be achieved are now calling accusations of your betrayal to letting the dream die because you didn't have the courage to weather either storm and you let legion become a total effing mess that just gets filed under incarna level screw up and never to be visited again any time soon.

I'm still standing. Should answer your question I think.

As to the question of if Caz resigned from the CPM or not over Legion, it's irrelevant to your enquiry and merely included to attempt to illicit a response.

It should be telling a lot to you guys, that he never broke the NDA in order to warn the players he allegedly resigned in support of. It suggests to me that either

1. His resignation had nothing to do with the switch to PC.

2. If 1 is not the case and it did, he knew better than to screw around with breaking NDA and ruining his future job prospects. Something that those claiming they would've broken it, might want to bear in mind and re-evaluate their position.

Nice words. And speaking of words, I would appreciate you not putting in my mouth words I have not said.

1. I have never said that Caz resignation had anything to do with the move to PC.

2. I have never said that the CPM should have broken the NDA.

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1. I don't care about the move to PC. What I care is the "bait and switch" that CCP pulled on the playerbase through events and misleading advertising, that motivated the playerbase to spend money, either in the game or traveling to the fanfest, that they would have not spent if they had know this change was coming.

I would not think this point is so difficult to see by anyone, so the only reason I can-¦t think for you to not see it, is because you don't want to. Why you wouldn't, I don't know. Care to explain?

You can see that Caz is pretty angered about the cash grabbing on his posts during last week, although he never broke the NDA to tell us why he resigned.


2. Never once I have said that the CPM should break the NDA. Please, quote. Actually, I strongly advice against it. But if the full CPM resigned, that would have raised a red flag for a lot of people, that would have prevented a lot of money to be lost. And they can perfectly resign without breaking the NDA.

Even if it didn't (prevent people from wasting money), at least that would have shown that they cared about the interests of the players before anything else.

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The other candidates gave an honest answer. From you, the only thing I see is trying to put words in my mouth I didn't say and avoiding the real question. You sound like a politician for me.


I guess you would have been a great CPM-0.




EDIT: I read your last blog right now, so I will apologize about myself thinking that you were defending CPM-0 and CCP because you only care about getting into CPM1 and winning some e-fame.

It turns out that you are one of those real fans that really believe in CCP's vision. In short, you are a fanboy, and I am not saying that in a negative way. There is no logic in the world that can stand on the way of feelings. I sincerely hope that CCP does not screw up Legion as well, if only for the well being of fans like you.

I think that the only way I would excuse the CPM-0 not resigning, is that they are fans like yourself, that believed so much in CCP vision that couldn't see what was in front of them.

I'm giving you a +1 for going to the fanfest dressed in a dropsuit.

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Reported for trolling; chambers is no place for asshatery like this.

No such thing as moral high grounds around here. Flat even planes for everyone.

Nice words. And speaking of words, I would appreciate you not putting in my mouth words I have not said.

1. I have never said that Caz resignation had anything to do with the move to PC.

Faced with the same choice that the CPM-0 had to make, would you:


A) Resign from the CPM, as Cazaderon did?

B) Stay in the CPM?


I think the answer to this question is important. I also think that refusing to answer can be considered an answer itself.

Actually your first multiple choice, does clearly state that Caz resigned when faced with the choice that CPM0 had and as such, I felt I was fully entitled to answer the way I did.

I just wanted to point that the question was about how CCP handled the announcement

Faced with the same choice that the CPM-0 had to make, would you:

A) Resign from the CPM, as Cazaderon did?

B) Stay in the CPM?

I don't see where your question even had the announcement in context, it was solely about if the candidates would resign or not when "faced with same choice" that CPM0 had, the choice in question taking place about 5 or 6 months before fanfest '14 had even started

Who cares?

Ask a question about the fanfest? Backtrack? Nice try

Don't confuse being polite with changing my mind.

Feel free to edit your posts if you thought I was asking about the move to PC.

You said yourself that the question was about how CCP handled the announcement, which was at fanfest.

I just wanted to point that the question was about how CCP handled the announcement and the money part of the playerbase lost because of that, and not about the move to PC itself