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Tech De Ra
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Posted - 2014.05.08 19:51:00 -
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Flyingconejo wrote:Faced with the same choice that the CPM-0 had to make, would you:
A) Wuss out and stop doing what you were elected to do, thereby wasting the time of everyone who voted for you
B) Stay in the CPM?
I think the answer to this question is important. I also think that refusing to answer can be considered an answer itself.
FTFY
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Posted - 2014.05.09 08:31:00 -
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Flyingconejo wrote:@Tech De Ra
Actually, no one ever voted for CPM-0. CPM-0 only had to answer to themselves and what they thought was the better way to defend the community's interests.
Your question was aimed at CPM1, it was nothing to do with CPM0
My reply still stands, anyone who leaves the CPM because they disagree with something is literally a waste of time and resources
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Posted - 2014.05.09 12:20:00 -
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Flyingconejo wrote:Tech De Ra wrote:
Your question was aimed at CPM1, it was nothing to do with CPM0
My question starts with: "Faced with the same choice that the CPM-0 had to make,". I'm afraid it has everything to do with CPM0. Actually, without taking into account how CPM0 acted, there is no question at all. However, I take note that you'd not quit either. Since I was asking this to CPM candidates, are you an alt of a CPM candidate or a current CPM, or just the alt of a regular player?
The CPM0 pushed as hard as they could to get CCP to announce legion months before fanfest, however CCP (marketing in this case) have no obligation to act on the recommendations of the CPM, so it came out at fanfest instead.
Caz did leave CPM0, if we assume it was because of Legion, then he wussed out and shirk his duty as a CPM member. If he was elected like CPM1 will be, then it would have been a waste of time to elect him in this case.
I was one of the front runners for CPM1 in terms of Fox Gaden's polls and was endorsed by members of CPM0, however as i am part of ESL, an esports company, I am no longer eligible to run under the requirements states in the white paper.
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Posted - 2014.05.09 18:25:00 -
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Flyingconejo wrote:Impact of the CPM on Dust? I hope that CCP never listened to them, so they can say 0. If CCP actually listened to them, very negative. Just look at the game.
I'm starting to think your initial question was a little weighed against CPM0
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Posted - 2014.05.09 19:14:00 -
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Flyingconejo wrote:Anyone that has followed my posts knows that for me, CPM 0 failed to defend the community. I've heard their reasons to act as they did, and while some of them make sense, I still feel that they should have all resigned like Caz did. The first duty of the CPM should be to the community they supposedly represent, not to CCP, and all of them resigning would have raised a flag which would have been very difficult to ignore.
If CCP chose to discontinue the CPM after them resigning, it would not have mattered much, since according to them they have all but been ignored their entire term. Better to have no CPM than an useless one.
I don't see how making them all resign would be a good thing at all.
While many people don't understand or even attempt to understand that the majority of the CPM's talks with CCP are behind closed doors and the information discussed will generally never see the light of day unless its released by CCP, If you sat down and talked to any CPM member you'll find that they all say similar things about what is discussed: "For every good idea there 2 very bad ideas". The CPM are the ones who stopped the bad ideas getting out and helped iterate on the good ideas that DID get out, a recent example would be that of the cloak, which was initially going to allow users to fire while cloaked.
How would resigning be helpful in the slightest? It is literally shirking off your duty as a CPM member simply because you disagree with an idea that has been put forward. How would that help the playerbase at all when the information that you resign over is under NDA and the players wouldnt know about it anyway?
The majority of people didn't even realise that Caz resigned from the CPM until recently, even though he didnt post on the forums and every few weeks he made a post on twitter that, by way of the NDA that he is still under, had to not contain any relevant information.
In regard to people taking note of the candidates answers to the initial question, the only logical outcome would be to vote for people who choose option B and make sure no one votes for people who chose option A
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Posted - 2014.05.11 09:53:00 -
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Flyingconejo wrote:I just wanted to point that the question was about how CCP handled the announcement
Flyingconejo wrote:Faced with the same choice that the CPM-0 had to make, would you:
A) Resign from the CPM, as Cazaderon did?
B) Stay in the CPM?
I don't see where your question even had the announcement in context, it was solely about if the candidates would resign or not when "faced with same choice" that CPM0 had, the choice in question taking place about 5 or 6 months before fanfest '14 had even started
Did you actually mean to ask a question about fanfest and simply forgot to ask it? or are you trying to backtrack?
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Posted - 2014.05.11 12:05:00 -
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Quote:Ask a question about the fanfest? Backtrack? Nice try
You said yourself that the question was about how CCP handled the announcement, which was at fanfest.
Quote:Don't confuse being polite with changing my mind.
I wasn't trying to change your mind at all, i was merely trying to make sense of you asking one question and then claiming that you asked a different one
Quote:Feel free to edit your posts if you thought I was asking about the move to PC.
At no point did i assume you were asking about the move to PC
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