hardcore gamers care little for graphics.

I completely agree thats why im hoping they will read this thread and realize that not everyone cares about awesome graphics. Half assed graphics are ok (so long as they dont cause you to fall through the ground every time you spawn) Some day maybe they will take my beloved Dust514 and give me a solo version of it for me to play (kind of like COD blackops1 training mode) not necessarily a PvE but just something so i can keep playing even after they Shut down the servers.

hardcore gamers care little for graphics.

What we're shown so far is just the graphics because the gameplay changes are still either design documents on the wiki or ideas being hammered out in someone's head. It's early days yet, and while the Game Designers work on their designs, the tech guys can work on the game engine and graphics which is a bit easier to immediately show off.

Remember, what you saw was a prototype.

cut question regarding priorities of graphics over game play

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What we're shown so far is just the graphics because the gameplay changes are still either design documents on the wiki or ideas being hammered out in someone's head. It's early days yet, and while the Game Designers work on their designs, the tech guys can work on the game engine and graphics which is a bit easier to immediately show off.

Remember, what you saw was a prototype.

I watched the whole thing. And i been playing this game for about 2 years now. So i didnt jump to anything. Its based on their comments and my own observations. They have more interest in making the game look shiny than they do in making the game a playable fun game. Just look at the amount of glitches they still have in the Dust 514 game. Sure when they wanted to make the game look better they rushed to get out a graphics upgrade. But when it came to bug fixes and balancing the gear in the game they just used the nerf hammer. Be hateful all you like but at least i can see CCP for what they really are. Just another game company after your hard earned cash. Make a game look cool and people will buy it they always do,

hardcore gamers care little for graphics.

hardcore gamers care little for graphics.

Well said

Yeah unfortunately i come from the line of Pong and Pacman. Where the game play was great but the graphics was crap. And i do believe that a game should function better than it looks. I would rather have a great game that plays terrific than a game than looks awesome that plays like complete garbage.

CCP were clearly stitched-up by Sony with the PS3-exclusive thing, and they clearly messed up development on Dust, big-time. I wish it hadn't happened.

But this particular criticism - "They have more interest in making the game look shiny than they do in making the game a playable fun game" - is just unfounded and unfair.

First the current EP stated in one of his first interviews with the press on his appointment quit clearly, "there is no piece of paper saying we have to stay anywhere". Which is exactly what has been known for over a year.

Sony paid nothing to CCP. They were simply more open than the competition to having a F2P game on their console and allowed CCP to enjoy a faster refresh cycle and limited their store purchases to AUR and various packages. Nothing about exclusive was forced on either company.

The criticism regarding graphics over game play first rose up during Uprising. Better graphics and the game was worse, much, much worse. It was essentially a newly released completely broken game. But the textures were more detailed and the art had been improved. Which was nice but rankled many when Chromosome worked much better and was closer to a finished product that Uprising has managed to get to even today. Nearly a year later and bugs that were introduced in 1.0 are still in the game. Each new release introduced new bugs and many of them were ever eliminated. Most were not even acknowledged.

So criticism or simple observation, the choice in words probably is tied to whether you though Chromosome was a reasonable starting point. And that might be further adjusted if you believe that immersion breaking texture pop in with grass that grows as you get closer is a good thing or not.

For me, almost everything about Uprising is worse. At least before we had the hope of a future game.

And now, we are all dust.

hardcore gamers care little for graphics.

Personally I always thought that particular statement was probably a masterpiece of misinformation. My guess is that there is a written agreement that says they have to be PS3 exclusive for 12 months, but can then move to other platforms. So, no, they don't have to stay on PS3 forever. I've got no evidence for this, of course.


The problems you describe are, imho, due to a dysfunctional software development organisation rather than a focus on graphics over gameplay. CCP would clearly have loved to have better gameplay, better graphics and more content. As it was they focussed their Dust developers for months on core gameplay, with only minor graphics enhancements.

There's simply no way that Uprising 1.1 to 1.8 can be described as "graphics over gameplay". I could understand "failed attempt to concentrating on gameplay" if that is your belief, but certainly not overfocus on graphics.

Personally I always thought that particular statement was probably a masterpiece of misinformation. My guess is that there is a written agreement that says they have to be PS3 exclusive for 12 months, but can then move to other platforms. So, no, they don't have to stay on PS3 forever. I've got no evidence for this, of course.

The problems you describe are, imho, due to a dysfunctional software development organization rather than a focus on graphics over gameplay. CCP would clearly have loved to have better gameplay, better graphics and more content. As it was they focused their Dust developers for months on core gameplay, with only minor graphics enhancements.

There's simply no way that Uprising 1.1 to 1.8 can be described as "graphics over gameplay". I could understand "failed attempt to concentrating on gameplay" if that is your belief, but certainly not overfocus on graphics.

More about graphics and how the game looks than about how it plays? I think its safe to say with what you have showed us about Legion and what we have seen on Dust 514 that you care nothing about the game mechanics and overall balance of the game. Sure it looks pretty and shiny but do you really think a player thats fighting against 12 enemy soldiers is really going to stop and take a look at the scenery around them? If you actually do go through with Legion (the generic version fo Dust) I would advise you to spend more time on the overall play of the game rather than the shiny garbage (that includes trees no one cares about the trees).

What we're shown so far is just the graphics because the gameplay changes are still either design documents on the wiki or ideas being hammered out in someone's head. It's early days yet, and while the Game Designers work on their designs, the tech guys can work on the game engine and graphics which is a bit easier to immediately show off.

Remember, what you saw was a prototype.

What we're shown so far is just the graphics because the gameplay changes are still either design documents on the wiki or ideas being hammered out in someone's head. It's early days yet, and while the Game Designers work on their designs, the tech guys can work on the game engine and graphics which is a bit easier to immediately show off.

Remember, what you saw was a prototype.

What we're shown so far is just the graphics because the gameplay changes are still either design documents on the wiki or ideas being hammered out in someone's head. It's early days yet, and while the Game Designers work on their designs, the tech guys can work on the game engine and graphics which is a bit easier to immediately show off.

Remember, what you saw was a prototype.