Because console gamers are fickle.

Within 6 months of DUST's release, half of the community was already off playing Battlefield of Duty 8. The other half was dealing with a game that suffered from the technical limitations of 7 year-old hardware.

PC gamers have a tendency to actually stick with a game. There are 8,000 people playing CounterStrike right now. It came out in 1999.

Also, PC games can actually be updated and upgraded. Look at EVE. If EVE were released on a console, it would've been a PS2 game and never could have looked anywhere near as good as it does now. Do you think anybody would still be playing it?

Yah lets blame the console gamers for not sticking with a game that wasn't seeing any sort of remote progress. It totally wasn't CCP's fault for releasing a half assed game and a Development cycle slower than a snail.

Yah lets blame the console gamers for not sticking with a game that wasn't seeing any sort of remote progress. It totally wasn't CCP's fault for releasing a half assed game and a Development cycle slower than a snail.

And yet, Dust 514 is nowhere near where it was in the beginning. All the while, console gamers complained every single step of the way.

Implying that PC gamers wouldn't do the same...

We all know CCP is planning to move to PC with the new EVE: LEGION but why?


They want to abandon Dust slowly but surely trying to make it look like the community is what couldnt make it possible, but in reality they couldnt make it possible. They failed their challenge they accepted not to long ago "Cross Platform Gameplay" they failed to make this possible only been trying 2 years in the making and already giving up hope on us.

Just so they can make their beloved EVE players aka PC Padders happy.

They promised alot of content FOR "DUST 514" not for EVE: LEGION.

So why? Why abandon us console players? Why take the easier way out? Why not challenge yourself time and time again until you get it right? Where is your loyalty to the community? wait we know the answer to that your EVE community. But why scam us out of our money to make something we didnt want or ask for nor did we have any notice on what yall were planning to do with our money from all these events and keep it a secret until fanfest and let us believe DUST was going to move forward and be here for the long run? Why present EVE: Legion during the dust 514 keynote and not at the CCP Presents? Why take our ideas and put them in a game most of us cant play?

Is there any hope for us loyalists? I'd like to hope so but I wont be surprised when all this sh*t hits the fan.

And yet, Dust 514 is nowhere near where it was in the beginning. All the while, console gamers complained every single step of the way.

Were there any threads that were positive? Yes, but very few. These forums reeked of toxicity since I've been here since last year, March.

The man has got a point to a degree.

Because console gamers are fickle.

Within 6 months of DUST's release, half of the community was already off playing Battlefield of Duty 8. The other half was dealing with a game that suffered from the technical limitations of 7 year-old hardware.

PC gamers have a tendency to actually stick with a game. There are 8,000 people playing CounterStrike right now. It came out in 1999.

Also, PC games can actually be updated and upgraded. Look at EVE. If EVE were released on a console, it would've been a PS2 game and never could have looked anywhere near as good as it does now. Do you think anybody would still be playing it?

We all know CCP is planning to move to PC with the new EVE: LEGION but why?


They want to abandon Dust slowly but surely trying to make it look like the community is what couldnt make it possible, but in reality they couldnt make it possible. They failed their challenge they accepted not to long ago "Cross Platform Gameplay" they failed to make this possible only been trying 2 years in the making and already giving up hope on us.

Just so they can make their beloved EVE players aka PC Padders happy.

They promised alot of content FOR "DUST 514" not for EVE: LEGION.

So why? Why abandon us console players? Why take the easier way out? Why not challenge yourself time and time again until you get it right? Where is your loyalty to the community? wait we know the answer to that your EVE community. But why scam us out of our money to make something we didnt want or ask for nor did we have any notice on what yall were planning to do with our money from all these events and keep it a secret until fanfest and let us believe DUST was going to move forward and be here for the long run? Why present EVE: Legion during the dust 514 keynote and not at the CCP Presents? Why take our ideas and put them in a game most of us cant play?

Is there any hope for us loyalists? I'd like to hope so but I wont be surprised when all this sh*t hits the fan.

the game was growing. steadily. and had been since november.

they killed a game with a growing playerbase.

Because console gamers are fickle.

Within 6 months of DUST's release, half of the community was already off playing Battlefield of Duty 8. The other half was dealing with a game that suffered from the technical limitations of 7 year-old hardware.

PC gamers have a tendency to actually stick with a game. There are 8,000 people playing CounterStrike right now. It came out in 1999.

Also, PC games can actually be updated and upgraded. Look at EVE. If EVE were released on a console, it would've been a PS2 game and never could have looked anywhere near as good as it does now. Do you think anybody would still be playing it?

CCP's move to the PC is NOT the player's fault, not at all. It IS CCP Shanghai's fault. They've admitted they can't make the game they want on a console. They want to make the game right, make it a good experience, and THEN bring it back to the consoles (on the PS4 likely).

Honestly, what this means is that PC players will be the beta testers for the PS4 version of Legion. (given that you are okay with playing with/against PC players in the first place.)

Because console gamers are fickle.

Within 6 months of DUST's release, half of the community was already off playing Battlefield of Duty 8. The other half was dealing with a game that suffered from the technical limitations of 7 year-old hardware.

PC gamers have a tendency to actually stick with a game. There are 8,000 people playing CounterStrike right now. It came out in 1999.

Also, PC games can actually be updated and upgraded. Look at EVE. If EVE were released on a console, it would've been a PS2 game and never could have looked anywhere near as good as it does now. Do you think anybody would still be playing it?

Lag compensation really needs removing
Bad connection? Too bad upgrade your internet or you suffer and everyone else in the game doesn't lag.

We all know CCP is planning to move to PC with the new EVE: LEGION but why?


They want to abandon Dust slowly but surely trying to make it look like the community is what couldnt make it possible, but in reality they couldnt make it possible. They failed their challenge they accepted not to long ago "Cross Platform Gameplay" they failed to make this possible only been trying 2 years in the making and already giving up hope on us.

Just so they can make their beloved EVE players aka PC Padders happy.

They promised alot of content FOR "DUST 514" not for EVE: LEGION.

So why? Why abandon us console players? Why take the easier way out? Why not challenge yourself time and time again until you get it right? Where is your loyalty to the community? wait we know the answer to that your EVE community. But why scam us out of our money to make something we didnt want or ask for nor did we have any notice on what yall were planning to do with our money from all these events and keep it a secret until fanfest and let us believe DUST was going to move forward and be here for the long run? Why present EVE: Legion during the dust 514 keynote and not at the CCP Presents? Why take our ideas and put them in a game most of us cant play?

Is there any hope for us loyalists? I'd like to hope so but I wont be surprised when all this sh*t hits the fan.

CCP's move to the PC is NOT the player's fault, not at all. It IS CCP Shanghai's fault. They've admitted they can't make the game they want on a console. They want to make the game right, make it a good experience, and THEN bring it back to the consoles (on the PS4 likely).

Honestly, what this means is that PC players will be the beta testers for the PS4 version of Legion. (given that you are okay with playing with/against PC players in the first place.)

it will not come to the console platform. its easier to develop CCPs three games for one platform and more relevant: to integrate gameplay. (I believe Valkyrie for PS4 - if launched for the platform - will be a standalone concept; unlike the PC version, which will be integrated into the Eve universe.

For example, SOE/ Smedley has said platform crossplay for PS2 will not happen due to it not being a feasible option (this will be true for Legion)

Ps4 has the technology for for it
But then ps4 would cry because mouse users

I'll bite,
1. PC players are resistant to change
2. They cannot adapt
3. The PC is a dead platform

4. all of the above

my internet is fiber 120/50 with an <1ms ISP PING

your gun should jam when your packets are late..lol

Because console gamers are fickle.

Within 6 months of DUST's release, half of the community was already off playing Battlefield of Duty 8. The other half was dealing with a game that suffered from the technical limitations of 7 year-old hardware.

PC gamers have a tendency to actually stick with a game. There are 8,000 people playing CounterStrike right now. It came out in 1999.

Also, PC games can actually be updated and upgraded. Look at EVE. If EVE were released on a console, it would've been a PS2 game and never could have looked anywhere near as good as it does now. Do you think anybody would still be playing it?

Because console gamers are fickle.

Within 6 months of DUST's release, half of the community was already off playing Battlefield of Duty 8. The other half was dealing with a game that suffered from the technical limitations of 7 year-old hardware.

PC gamers have a tendency to actually stick with a game. There are 8,000 people playing CounterStrike right now. It came out in 1999.

Also, PC games can actually be updated and upgraded. Look at EVE. If EVE were released on a console, it would've been a PS2 game and never could have looked anywhere near as good as it does now. Do you think anybody would still be playing it?

Because the medium you play on defines who you are as a person right? Way to make completely bullshit statements based on equally false stereotypes. Gamers are gamers, pretty sure you are not gonna sum up an entire playerbase based on what medium they play on. If that were true I would claim all PC players as elitist assholes, but reality dictates that is only a small percentage of PC gamers....you included.

Here is two categories of players:

1. Who came to dust514 from EVE
2. Who came to dust514 from other games


Categorie 1 - will play any crap CCP will release, if this crap will bounded with EVE

Categorie 2 - if CCP made dust514 (or legion, it does not matter) like crap, they just come back to games they played before dust514\legion.

Very simple.

CCP's move to the PC is NOT the player's fault, not at all. It IS CCP Shanghai's fault. They've admitted they can't make the game they want on a console. They want to make the game right, make it a good experience, and THEN bring it back to the consoles (on the PS4 likely).

Honestly, what this means is that PC players will be the beta testers for the PS4 version of Legion. (given that you are okay with playing with/against PC players in the first place.)

Counter Strike?


I'll bite,
1. PC players are resistant to change
2. They cannot adapt
3. The PC is a dead platform

4. all of the above

PS3 FPS titles cannot be hacked, and if lag is property mitigated, everyone is equal.

it will not come to the console platform. its easier to develop CCPs three games for one platform and more relevant: to integrate gameplay. (I believe Valkyrie for PS4 - if launched for the platform - will be a standalone concept; unlike the PC version, which will be integrated into the Eve universe.

For example, SOE/ Smedley has said platform crossplay for PS2 will not happen due to it not being a feasible option (this will be true for Legion)

And yet, Dust 514 is nowhere near where it was in the beginning. All the while, console gamers complained every single step of the way.

1. Yes. That's why we love to build our own rigs and constantly update them.
2. See 1.
3. No. People stopped panicking about this a year ago. Do try to keep up.


PS3 fps's can be hacked. Google "PS3 aimbot".

And congratulations on your opposable thumbs. You must be very proud.

Yah lets blame the console gamers for not sticking with a game that wasn't seeing any sort of remote progress. It totally wasn't CCP's fault for releasing a half assed game and a Development cycle slower than a snail.

You can only do that with hacked ps3s which are very hard to bring on psn (Also pretty hard to get one since you need to either A. have a ps3 with firmware 3.55 or below or B. Downgrade it with a hardware flasher) because Sony can easily detect them and ban them. The only way to be unbanned is to get a console ID that is not banned which means you need another ps3s console ID.

So yea it may not be impossible but it is A LOT harder to hack on the ps3 then the PC.

I think now the game could be considered a release version not because of the weapons but because as of last week my console FINALLY stopped freezing up while i played.

To be quite honest, the biggest blunder CCP made with DUST is their decision to develop it for PS3 in the first place. I'm writing this not because I'm on the "PC master race" bandwagon. I don't think console games are inferior to PC. But, the first thought that crossed my mind when I first heard that DUST will be PS3 exclusive is "DUST is supposed to have exceptionally long longevity, what are they going to do when they'll eventually have to switch platform?". But, I thought, they are game developers, and I'm not, they surely have a plan what to do. Well, it turns out they didn't. Sad but true.

On one hand, I'm glad they finally switched to PC. However, they did it in a worst way possible - by betraying and alienating their current playerbase. This is a PR fiasco, responsibility for which lies solely on CCP's management making poor strategic decisions from the get-go.

There is yet another thing CCP management now has to consider. They are a company that has so far failed to produce any other successful product other than EVE. And not due to lack of trying. They completely botched WoD, and cancelled it. DUST has failed badly to produce the result they were initially expecting it to produce. Valkyre may be successful, but it is exclusive to a piece of hardware that not many people own, and the game would have to be really exceptional to be the game that will make people go and buy hardware for. If Legion doesn't "hit the nail on the head", CCP will, quite possibly, lose the last ounce of credibility as a serious gaming company, and forever remain on the margin of the gaming market with it's "one hit wonder".

And yet, Dust 514 is nowhere near where it was in the beginning. All the while, console gamers complained every single step of the way.

Were there any threads that were positive? Yes, but very few. These forums reeked of toxicity since I've been here since last year, March.

The man has got a point to a degree.

Not to mention Dust is the only game on my PS3 that i have had the whole console freeze 100% well after the game supposidly came out of beta.
The poor console player reaction is 100% due to the lousy coding from CCP. Console players expect certain things especially when a game is no longer in beta. One thing console players expect is for the bloody game to actually WORK on a very basic level where the whole game system doesn't freeze up.
Scotty was a huge problem for quite a while. There are a LOT of problems the game has had that are not even related to game balance just game play that have all been in the game since it came out of beta. Console players do not tolerate such things. If you want to keep working out game play ability issues call the game beta because untill it can be played with reliability to a console gamer its still crap.
Unbalanced weapons are a different thing and will be tolerated better than play ability issue. People will still complain but its not like the console froze up or crashed.
To me community reaction was simply a reaction to a game that was released FAR too early. I think now the game could be considered a release version not because of the weapons but because as of last week my console FINALLY stopped freezing up while i played.

it will not come to the console platform. its easier to develop CCPs three games for one platform and more relevant: to integrate gameplay. (I believe Valkyrie for PS4 - if launched for the platform - will be a standalone concept; unlike the PC version, which will be integrated into the Eve universe.

For example, SOE/ Smedley has said platform crossplay for PS2 will not happen due to it not being a feasible option (this will be true for Legion)

And yet, Dust 514 is nowhere near where it was in the beginning. All the while, console gamers complained every single step of the way.

Were there any threads that were positive? Yes, but very few. These forums reeked of toxicity since I've been here since last year, March.

The man has got a point to a degree.

I think initially dust came to the PS3 because sony is not as restrictive as MS. For CCP this would be a chance to develope a game for a matured console that has already sold millions upon millions of consoles (and ps4 was not out at the time) and to get a very large chunk of the console player base (if they hadn't have botched it so badly and gotten so many mediocre reviews) Tactically it was a smart move in my opinion. If dust had been a sucsess they could have seen pretty good figures and expanded their player base. To me i think dust was more about trying to get a larger playerbase and opening up to the console market. However CCP botched that badly.

its not whether PS4 can handle legion - its about cross platform play. SOE has said it wont do it with PS2. And pretty sure CCP said valkyire will be a standalone client compared to the Eve integrated gameplay of the PC version.

Because console gamers are fickle.

Within 6 months of DUST's release, half of the community was already off playing Battlefield of Duty 8. The other half was dealing with a game that suffered from the technical limitations of 7 year-old hardware.

PC gamers have a tendency to actually stick with a game. There are 8,000 people playing CounterStrike right now. It came out in 1999.

Also, PC games can actually be updated and upgraded. Look at EVE. If EVE were released on a console, it would've been a PS2 game and never could have looked anywhere near as good as it does now. Do you think anybody would still be playing it?

Counter Strike also a has large community that mods for it, develops for it. You can get new game mods, weapons, characters, textures, and performance improvements daily. Garry's Mod also has the same development, and the same community.

Both games have infinitely more playability than Dust, allowing players to stick to it. Dust is very limited when being produced by a single company, and a handful of teams.