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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2014.05.06 20:49:00 -
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Remember the UK court allows Candy Crush saga to sue Banner Saga and win. 'Banner Saga' can never be used in a future title becuase of the outcome.
CPM 0 Secretary
Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist
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NomaDz 2K
The Rainbow Effect
178
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Posted - 2014.05.06 20:52:00 -
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DaReaperPW wrote: You would however be mislead of said car was said to have a V8 and the sales people assured you that yes it had a v8, and the paperwork and documents all said it had a v8, but once you had the car and drove it off the lot you realized that no it has a v4. Then you have a case.
It's virtually at the same level, get it, virtually cause itz a digital product get it
DON'T SPEND CA$H ON DUST 514
CCP WILL ONLY GIVE YOU AUR AFTER THEY REMOVE YOUR BPOs WHICH U SPENT REAL MONGé¼Y ON!
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NomaDz 2K
The Rainbow Effect
178
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Posted - 2014.05.06 20:56:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Remember the UK court allows Candy Crush saga to sue Banner Saga and win. 'Banner Saga' can never be used in a future title becuase of the outcome. INFIDEL SILENCE I KILL U
DON'T SPEND CA$H ON DUST 514
CCP WILL ONLY GIVE YOU AUR AFTER THEY REMOVE YOUR BPOs WHICH U SPENT REAL MONGé¼Y ON!
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KING SALASI
MAJOR DISTRIBUTION
249
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Posted - 2014.05.06 20:56:00 -
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So what I took from this is CCP turned into EA. No wonder Sony is giving refunds back what a disaster. |
steadyhand amarr
TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad.
3053
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Posted - 2014.05.06 21:02:00 -
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Ryme Intrinseca wrote:UK government guidance on the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008, section 7.3 wrote:A misleading action occurs when a practice misleads through the information it contains, or its deceptive presentation, and causes or is likely to cause the average consumer to take a different decision. So if a company provided misleading information, or presented information in a misleading way, regarding their product, with the result that consumers made purchases they otherwise would not, they are in breach of consumer protection regulations. Legal remedies include civil and criminal enforcement, which aim to: UK government guidance on the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008, section 11.3 wrote:GÇó change the behaviour of the offender GÇó eliminate any financial gain or benefit from noncompliance GÇó be responsive and consider what is appropriate for the particular offender and regulatory issue GÇó be proportionate to the nature of the offence and the harm caused GÇó restore the harm caused by the regulatory noncompliance, where appropriate, and GÇó deter further non-compliance. The full UK government guidance is available here. Details on making a complaint are available here. Please note that there are similar regulations elsewhere in Europe as the UK simply follows EU consumer protection regulations.
please provide the misleading information iv looked the EULA on ARU is water tight you buying a currency to use on ingame items, thats all ARU is CCP coins to by boosters... all a booster is to gain skill points faster
both of which CCP did, so huh good luck with that one, the law does not care about anything extra you made up in your head on why you are buying something
"i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk"
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GOGO power rangers
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THE 2000 SWINE
Commando Perkone Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2014.05.06 21:03:00 -
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CEOPyrex CloneA wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:UK government guidance on the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008, section 7.3 wrote:A misleading action occurs when a practice misleads through the information it contains, or its deceptive presentation, and causes or is likely to cause the average consumer to take a different decision. So if a company provided misleading information, or presented information in a misleading way, regarding their product, with the result that consumers made purchases they otherwise would not, they are in breach of consumer protection regulations. Legal remedies include civil and criminal enforcement, which aim to: UK government guidance on the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008, section 11.3 wrote:GÇó change the behaviour of the offender GÇó eliminate any financial gain or benefit from noncompliance GÇó be responsive and consider what is appropriate for the particular offender and regulatory issue GÇó be proportionate to the nature of the offence and the harm caused GÇó restore the harm caused by the regulatory noncompliance, where appropriate, and GÇó deter further non-compliance. The full UK government guidance is available here. Details on making a complaint are available here. Please note that there are similar regulations elsewhere in Europe as the UK simply follows EU consumer protection regulations. Oh dear..... good luck with that. (Sony will tell you to talk to CCP and CCP are based in Iceland, which as im sure you all know isnt in the EU) Jus Sayin bro
In the States, you would name both SONY and CCP as Defendants, and the court of residence would have jurisdiction over the case. CCP does business across the internet with EVE players and SONY is everywhere. Criminal or Civil makes no difference. In the State we have "small claims court" and when we left England in 1629, we improved common law in that there is no claw back of legal fees. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
5409
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Posted - 2014.05.06 21:03:00 -
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There are similar laws in New Zealand, Australia and a few other countries around the place.
They form part of the grounds on which many people have been requesting their refunds from Sony, and I know of a few people who have gotten said refunds. I've helped one of my friends get a refund himself.
If you have a phone number you can call for Sony Support, that's more likely to get you a prompt resolution than an email, so I'd suggest trying that if you're given a "this could take a while" email response. |
PR0FESSOR CHAOS
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
42
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Posted - 2014.05.06 21:05:00 -
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Amar you should work for CCP legal I'm sure it will be an improvement. On the other hand Sony legal is stressing this right now so who knows maybe there not as air tight as you think.
Good. Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the hate flow through you.
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Ryme Intrinseca
The Rainbow Effect Dirt Nap Squad.
1130
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Posted - 2014.05.06 21:10:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:There are similar laws in New Zealand, Australia and a few other countries around the place.
They form part of the grounds on which many people have been requesting their refunds from Sony, and I know of a few people who have gotten said refunds. I've helped one of my friends get a refund himself.
If you have a phone number you can call for Sony Support, that's more likely to get you a prompt resolution than an email, so I'd suggest trying that if you're given a "this could take a while" email response. EU and Oceania numbers are here. |
THE 2000 SWINE
Commando Perkone Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2014.05.06 21:14:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:UK government guidance on the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008, section 7.3 wrote:A misleading action occurs when a practice misleads through the information it contains, or its deceptive presentation, and causes or is likely to cause the average consumer to take a different decision. So if a company provided misleading information, or presented information in a misleading way, regarding their product, with the result that consumers made purchases they otherwise would not, they are in breach of consumer protection regulations. Legal remedies include civil and criminal enforcement, which aim to: UK government guidance on the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008, section 11.3 wrote:GÇó change the behaviour of the offender GÇó eliminate any financial gain or benefit from noncompliance GÇó be responsive and consider what is appropriate for the particular offender and regulatory issue GÇó be proportionate to the nature of the offence and the harm caused GÇó restore the harm caused by the regulatory noncompliance, where appropriate, and GÇó deter further non-compliance. The full UK government guidance is available here. Details on making a complaint are available here. Please note that there are similar regulations elsewhere in Europe as the UK simply follows EU consumer protection regulations. please provide the misleading information iv looked the EULA on ARU is water tight you buying a currency to use on ingame items, thats all ARU is CCP coins to by boosters... all a booster is to gain skill points faster both of which CCP did, so huh good luck with that one, the law does not care about anything extra you made up in your head on why you are buying something
I have an EMAIL and it says "ONE UNIVERSE...ONE SERVER" do you have one of these. "Come on Jack you are such a boyscout"
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Koshh Seere
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
4
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Posted - 2014.05.06 21:16:00 -
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Ryme Intrinseca wrote:UK government guidance on the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008, section 7.3 wrote:A misleading action occurs when a practice misleads through the information it contains, or its deceptive presentation, and causes or is likely to cause the average consumer to take a different decision. So if a company provided misleading information, or presented information in a misleading way, regarding their product, with the result that consumers made purchases they otherwise would not, they are in breach of consumer protection regulations. Legal remedies include civil and criminal enforcement, which aim to: UK government guidance on the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008, section 11.3 wrote:GÇó change the behaviour of the offender GÇó eliminate any financial gain or benefit from noncompliance GÇó be responsive and consider what is appropriate for the particular offender and regulatory issue GÇó be proportionate to the nature of the offence and the harm caused GÇó restore the harm caused by the regulatory noncompliance, where appropriate, and GÇó deter further non-compliance. The full UK government guidance is available here. Details on making a complaint are available here. Please note that there are similar regulations elsewhere in Europe as the UK simply follows EU consumer protection regulations. Did you read the Dust 514 Eula/ToS before you posted this? |
Ryme Intrinseca
The Rainbow Effect Dirt Nap Squad.
1133
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Posted - 2014.05.06 21:19:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:UK government guidance on the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008, section 7.3 wrote:A misleading action occurs when a practice misleads through the information it contains, or its deceptive presentation, and causes or is likely to cause the average consumer to take a different decision. So if a company provided misleading information, or presented information in a misleading way, regarding their product, with the result that consumers made purchases they otherwise would not, they are in breach of consumer protection regulations. Legal remedies include civil and criminal enforcement, which aim to: UK government guidance on the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008, section 11.3 wrote:GÇó change the behaviour of the offender GÇó eliminate any financial gain or benefit from noncompliance GÇó be responsive and consider what is appropriate for the particular offender and regulatory issue GÇó be proportionate to the nature of the offence and the harm caused GÇó restore the harm caused by the regulatory noncompliance, where appropriate, and GÇó deter further non-compliance. The full UK government guidance is available here. Details on making a complaint are available here. Please note that there are similar regulations elsewhere in Europe as the UK simply follows EU consumer protection regulations. please provide the misleading information iv looked the EULA on ARU is water tight you buying a currency to use on ingame items, thats all ARU is CCP coins to by boosters... all a booster is to gain skill points faster both of which CCP did, so huh good luck with that one, the law does not care about anything extra you made up in your head on why you are buying something The EULA does not stop UK law from applying. Any -ú purchase by a UK consumer is covered by consumer protection regulations. You buy AUR with -ú, hence those transactions are covered.
The law does not care about things people made up in their heads (thanks for that clarification, Perry Mason ) but it does care about misleading information/deceptive presentation of information that affects purchasing decisions. |
Ryme Intrinseca
The Rainbow Effect Dirt Nap Squad.
1133
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Posted - 2014.05.06 21:22:00 -
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Koshh Seere wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:UK government guidance on the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008, section 7.3 wrote:A misleading action occurs when a practice misleads through the information it contains, or its deceptive presentation, and causes or is likely to cause the average consumer to take a different decision. So if a company provided misleading information, or presented information in a misleading way, regarding their product, with the result that consumers made purchases they otherwise would not, they are in breach of consumer protection regulations. Legal remedies include civil and criminal enforcement, which aim to: UK government guidance on the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008, section 11.3 wrote:GÇó change the behaviour of the offender GÇó eliminate any financial gain or benefit from noncompliance GÇó be responsive and consider what is appropriate for the particular offender and regulatory issue GÇó be proportionate to the nature of the offence and the harm caused GÇó restore the harm caused by the regulatory noncompliance, where appropriate, and GÇó deter further non-compliance. The full UK government guidance is available here. Details on making a complaint are available here. Please note that there are similar regulations elsewhere in Europe as the UK simply follows EU consumer protection regulations. Did you read the Dust 514 Eula/ToS before you posted this? Again, the EULA does not stop consumer protection regulations from applying. |
steadyhand amarr
TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad.
3053
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Posted - 2014.05.06 21:22:00 -
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THE 2000 SWINE wrote:steadyhand amarr wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:UK government guidance on the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008, section 7.3 wrote:A misleading action occurs when a practice misleads through the information it contains, or its deceptive presentation, and causes or is likely to cause the average consumer to take a different decision. So if a company provided misleading information, or presented information in a misleading way, regarding their product, with the result that consumers made purchases they otherwise would not, they are in breach of consumer protection regulations. Legal remedies include civil and criminal enforcement, which aim to: UK government guidance on the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008, section 11.3 wrote:GÇó change the behaviour of the offender GÇó eliminate any financial gain or benefit from noncompliance GÇó be responsive and consider what is appropriate for the particular offender and regulatory issue GÇó be proportionate to the nature of the offence and the harm caused GÇó restore the harm caused by the regulatory noncompliance, where appropriate, and GÇó deter further non-compliance. The full UK government guidance is available here. Details on making a complaint are available here. Please note that there are similar regulations elsewhere in Europe as the UK simply follows EU consumer protection regulations. please provide the misleading information iv looked the EULA on ARU is water tight you buying a currency to use on ingame items, thats all ARU is CCP coins to by boosters... all a booster is to gain skill points faster both of which CCP did, so huh good luck with that one, the law does not care about anything extra you made up in your head on why you are buying something I have an EMAIL and it says "ONE UNIVERSE...ONE SERVER" do you have one of these. "Come on Jack you are such a boyscout"
... ok the trolling ability of this fourm has nose dived...just wow... its just .... you know what ... you should sue red bull because wings
and just prove you really are dumass, dust does connect to same sever as EvE so yep one universe one server.
sorry i cant think straight i head desked to hard
"i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk"
winner of EU squad cup
GOGO power rangers
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MINA Longstrike
755
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Posted - 2014.05.06 21:25:00 -
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Koshh Seere wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:UK government guidance on the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008, section 7.3 wrote:A misleading action occurs when a practice misleads through the information it contains, or its deceptive presentation, and causes or is likely to cause the average consumer to take a different decision. So if a company provided misleading information, or presented information in a misleading way, regarding their product, with the result that consumers made purchases they otherwise would not, they are in breach of consumer protection regulations. Legal remedies include civil and criminal enforcement, which aim to: UK government guidance on the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008, section 11.3 wrote:GÇó change the behaviour of the offender GÇó eliminate any financial gain or benefit from noncompliance GÇó be responsive and consider what is appropriate for the particular offender and regulatory issue GÇó be proportionate to the nature of the offence and the harm caused GÇó restore the harm caused by the regulatory noncompliance, where appropriate, and GÇó deter further non-compliance. The full UK government guidance is available here. Details on making a complaint are available here. Please note that there are similar regulations elsewhere in Europe as the UK simply follows EU consumer protection regulations. Did you read the Dust 514 Eula/ToS before you posted this?
Pretty sure that informing people of their legal rights doesn't violate EULA / TOS. Also in many places you *CANNOT LEGALLY SIGN YOUR RIGHTS AWAY EVER*, So the EULA could outright state 'you have no rights when it comes to this game' and then violate your rights and many people would think that you'd be without recourse, which is completely wrong, because you cannot sign your rights away
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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bigolenuts
Ancient Exiles.
816
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Posted - 2014.05.06 21:28:00 -
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DaReaperPW wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:UK government guidance on the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008, section 7.3 wrote:A misleading action occurs when a practice misleads through the information it contains, or its deceptive presentation, and causes or is likely to cause the average consumer to take a different decision. So if a company provided misleading information, or presented information in a misleading way, regarding their product, with the result that consumers made purchases they otherwise would not, they are in breach of consumer protection regulations. Legal remedies include civil and criminal enforcement, which aim to: UK government guidance on the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008, section 11.3 wrote:GÇó change the behaviour of the offender GÇó eliminate any financial gain or benefit from noncompliance GÇó be responsive and consider what is appropriate for the particular offender and regulatory issue GÇó be proportionate to the nature of the offence and the harm caused GÇó restore the harm caused by the regulatory noncompliance, where appropriate, and GÇó deter further non-compliance. The full UK government guidance is available here. Details on making a complaint are available here. Please note that there are similar regulations elsewhere in Europe as the UK simply follows EU consumer protection regulations. How did they mislead you? How was the information provided misleading? And you do know that they said devlopment of dust will keep going, so that pretty much nullifies any law suite you have. You do remember that just because you found a random law, that you have to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that you were mislead. From what i know, however, you were not. Spending money, and assuming its going to devlope and add new things to dust, was on you. Unless ccp told you, spacificly, that if you but this stuff it will bring you XXX then you were not misled. Case dismissed you lose.
Read page 1, 4th post down. Written by CCP Saberwing. Can you explain to me what he is saying?
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2138998#post2138998
"CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers"
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Argent Mordred
DUST University Ivy League
66
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Posted - 2014.05.06 21:33:00 -
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Ryme Intrinseca wrote:The EULA does not stop UK law from applying. Any -ú purchase by a UK consumer is covered by consumer protection regulations. You buy AUR with -ú, hence those transactions are covered. The law does not care about things people made up in their heads (thanks for that clarification, Perry Mason ) but it does care about misleading information/deceptive presentation of information that affects purchasing decisions.
No but writing a EULA for a software product from a company like CCP or Sony entails a herd of lawyers specializing in the consumer laws for each country that the product is to be sold in. So I guarantee that the laws will have been dealt with to the letter. Maybe you will get lucky, but I doubt it. |
Hecarim Van Hohen
1363
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Posted - 2014.05.06 21:34:00 -
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3/10
But if this was a serious post (like that Yensha Min Mao dude) I'd like to see some action besides all of this useless text
State your stance on EVE:Legion
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NomaDz 2K
The Rainbow Effect
180
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Posted - 2014.05.06 21:34:00 -
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bigolenuts wrote: How did they mislead you? How was the information provided misleading? And you do know that they said devlopment of dust will keep going, so that pretty much nullifies any law suite you have. You do remember that just because you found a random law, that you have to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that you were mislead. From what i know, however, you were not. Spending money, and assuming its going to devlope and add new things to dust, was on you. Unless ccp told you, spacificly, that if you but this stuff it will bring you XXX then you were not misled. Case dismissed you lose.
Read page 1, 4th post down. Written by CCP Saberwing. Can you explain to me what he is saying? This was less than 2 weeks before FanFest 2014. Maybe I am missing something in the message. Clarify for me.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2138998#post2138998[/quote] He Said :
CCP Saberwing wrote:The Attorney General wrote:Dust next? No. We are still fully committed to developing EVE, DUST and Valkyrie. Lots of things will be shown around the games in the EVE Universe come Fanfest.
DON'T SPEND CA$H ON DUST 514
CCP WILL ONLY GIVE YOU AUR AFTER THEY REMOVE YOUR BPOs WHICH U SPENT REAL MONGé¼Y ON!
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Ryme Intrinseca
The Rainbow Effect Dirt Nap Squad.
1140
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Posted - 2014.05.06 21:37:00 -
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bigolenuts wrote:DaReaperPW wrote:
How did they mislead you? How was the information provided misleading? And you do know that they said devlopment of dust will keep going, so that pretty much nullifies any law suite you have. You do remember that just because you found a random law, that you have to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that you were mislead. From what i know, however, you were not. Spending money, and assuming its going to devlope and add new things to dust, was on you. Unless ccp told you, spacificly, that if you but this stuff it will bring you XXX then you were not misled. Case dismissed you lose.
Read page 1, 4th post down. Written by CCP Saberwing. Can you explain to me what he is saying? This was less than 2 weeks before FanFest 2014. Maybe I am missing something in the message. Clarify for me. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2138998#post2138998 Yep, looks pretty misleading in my book:
CCP Saberwing wrote:No. We are still fully committed to developing EVE, DUST and Valkyrie. Lots of things will be shown around the games in the EVE Universe come Fanfest |
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Ryme Intrinseca
The Rainbow Effect Dirt Nap Squad.
1145
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Posted - 2014.05.06 21:50:00 -
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Argent Mordred wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:The EULA does not stop UK law from applying. Any -ú purchase by a UK consumer is covered by consumer protection regulations. You buy AUR with -ú, hence those transactions are covered. The law does not care about things people made up in their heads (thanks for that clarification, Perry Mason ) but it does care about misleading information/deceptive presentation of information that affects purchasing decisions. No but writing a EULA for a software product from a company like CCP or Sony entails a herd of lawyers specializing in the consumer laws for each country that the product is to be sold in. So I guarantee that the laws will have been dealt with to the letter. Maybe you will get lucky, but I doubt it. There is no way to just make laws go away with lawyerly words. All they do is say 'as far as permitted by law', i.e. they admit that they are still subject to applicable laws, but try to limit any claim beyond those laws. See, for instance, this:
SEN ToS wrote:19. Limits on our liability and your rights As far as permitted by law, we are not responsible or liable for nor do we give warranty or representation in relation to: (i) The quality, functionality, availability, completeness, accuracy or performance of the SEN or its services; (ii) Any errors, bugs or viruses in, or malicious use of, the SEN or its services; (iii) Inability to purchase or use any services available via the SEN; (iv) The activity and shared materials of other SEN users or hackers; (v) Services provided by third parties; (vi) Incompatibility of services with Sony systems licensed for sale outside of Europe, the Middle East, Africa, India, Russia and Oceania; (vii) Loss of data, loss of or damage to software or hardware or unauthorised access to your SEN account as a result of using or accessing the SEN; and (viii) Your Internet connection, including connection, data and roaming charges and any failure to have sufficient bandwidth to download or stream services from SEN.
We may withdraw access to free services or subscription trials at any time.
As far as permitted by law: (a) if we fail to deliver any paid-for service available via the SEN, our liability and your only remedy is (at our option) either re-providing the service or adding the amount you paid for the service to your SEN wallet; and (b) our liability and your only remedy in any other case is limited to -ú50 (or local currency equivalent) or, if higher, the amount of unused funds in your SEN wallet. So no, these agreements offer Sony/CCP no protection against claims made under consumer protection regulations. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
5412
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Posted - 2014.05.06 21:53:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:Pretty sure that informing people of their legal rights doesn't violate EULA / TOS. Also in many places you *CANNOT LEGALLY SIGN YOUR RIGHTS AWAY EVER*, So the EULA could outright state 'you have no rights when it comes to this game' and then violate your rights and many people would think that you'd be without recourse, which is completely wrong, because you cannot sign your rights away And those laws are the reason most contracts with a "you have no rights" clause also have an "if any part of this contract would be illegal, only that portion is void, and the rest of the contract will remain valid and binding to whatever extent is permitted by law", because if they don't include a clause like that, someone in a region where you can't sign away your legal rights could just point to that line then effectively ignore the entire remainder of the contract because it's no longer legally binding and they're free to do whatever. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
5412
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Posted - 2014.05.06 22:01:00 -
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Argent Mordred wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:The EULA does not stop UK law from applying. Any -ú purchase by a UK consumer is covered by consumer protection regulations. You buy AUR with -ú, hence those transactions are covered. The law does not care about things people made up in their heads (thanks for that clarification, Perry Mason ) but it does care about misleading information/deceptive presentation of information that affects purchasing decisions. No but writing a EULA for a software product from a company like CCP or Sony entails a herd of lawyers specializing in the consumer laws for each country that the product is to be sold in. So I guarantee that the laws will have been dealt with to the letter. Maybe you will get lucky, but I doubt it. Just to focus down and clarify on this part:
Ryme Intrinseca wrote:The EULA does not stop UK law from applying. Any -ú purchase by a UK consumer is covered by consumer protection regulations. You buy AUR with -ú, hence those transactions are covered. The consumer protection laws are applicable as soon as a purchase is made. The company making the sale is, by making the product available for purchase in the country, and by agreeing to the sale with a customer, agreeing to be bound to protect the rights of that customer as laid out in the law.
Until you've not only bought the game, but installed it, read the license agreement (or skipped it) and clicked "Accept", you aren't bound by the EULA. Because it takes effect after the consumer protection laws, they apply first and foremost, and can negate anything (or everything) in any EULA. |
Scheherazade VII
SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance
457
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Posted - 2014.05.06 22:02:00 -
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Ryme Intrinseca wrote:UK government guidance on the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008, section 7.3 wrote:A misleading action occurs when a practice misleads through the information it contains, or its deceptive presentation, and causes or is likely to cause the average consumer to take a different decision. So if a company provided misleading information, or presented information in a misleading way, regarding their product, with the result that consumers made purchases they otherwise would not, they are in breach of consumer protection regulations. Legal remedies include civil and criminal enforcement, which aim to: UK government guidance on the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008, section 11.3 wrote:GÇó change the behaviour of the offender GÇó eliminate any financial gain or benefit from noncompliance GÇó be responsive and consider what is appropriate for the particular offender and regulatory issue GÇó be proportionate to the nature of the offence and the harm caused GÇó restore the harm caused by the regulatory noncompliance, where appropriate, and GÇó deter further non-compliance. The full UK government guidance is available here. Details on making a complaint are available here. Please note that there are similar regulations elsewhere in Europe as the UK simply follows EU consumer protection regulations.
your name is after some strange place near Yeovil, I remember driving past it on the way Yeovil and thought "thats a weird place" and carried on driving.
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
2814
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Posted - 2014.05.06 22:12:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:
... ok the trolling ability of this fourm has nose dived...just wow... its just .... you know what ... you should sue red bull because wings
Actually...
Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
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Ryme Intrinseca
The Rainbow Effect Dirt Nap Squad.
1145
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Posted - 2014.05.06 22:13:00 -
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Scheherazade VII wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:UK government guidance on the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008, section 7.3 wrote:A misleading action occurs when a practice misleads through the information it contains, or its deceptive presentation, and causes or is likely to cause the average consumer to take a different decision. So if a company provided misleading information, or presented information in a misleading way, regarding their product, with the result that consumers made purchases they otherwise would not, they are in breach of consumer protection regulations. Legal remedies include civil and criminal enforcement, which aim to: UK government guidance on the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008, section 11.3 wrote:GÇó change the behaviour of the offender GÇó eliminate any financial gain or benefit from noncompliance GÇó be responsive and consider what is appropriate for the particular offender and regulatory issue GÇó be proportionate to the nature of the offence and the harm caused GÇó restore the harm caused by the regulatory noncompliance, where appropriate, and GÇó deter further non-compliance. The full UK government guidance is available here. Details on making a complaint are available here. Please note that there are similar regulations elsewhere in Europe as the UK simply follows EU consumer protection regulations. your name is after some strange place near Yeovil, I remember driving past it on the way Yeovil and thought "thats a weird place" and carried on driving. Yes it is, there are lots of weird village names around there that could be a futuristic merc (e.g. Toller Porcorum, Minterne Magna), I went with this one. |
THE 2000 SWINE
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Posted - 2014.05.06 22:18:00 -
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Ryder Azorria wrote:Atiim wrote:Actually, they did give a explicit time.
10 Years. Saying you have a ten year plan for a game and providing no other details of said plan is not a legally binding commitment to follow through with said plan, nor is it a commitment not to change platforms. And incase you live in some fantasy land where the case goes in your favour ('Merica), enjoy your refund of the full retail cost of the game $0.00. EDIT: Atiim wrote:Ryder Azorria wrote:PR0FESSOR CHAOS wrote:Sony is responsible for all transactions on their network laugh as you may but legal action is being brought on Sony regarding this issue. I suspect sony will settle all disputes and internally deal with CCP. Sony is taking this very serious they understand the value of consumer confidence and have built the playstation brand on that principle. They do not want there reputation dragged through the mud based on a third party developer overly entitled neckbeards throwing a hissy fit FTFY So expecting companies to follow the law is overly entitled? I really hope you never run for a political office that holds power... They. Did. You're either horribly twisting CCPs actions to the point of fiction in order to make them violate those laws, or you're horribly twisting the laws to fit CCPs actions - probably a little of both.
CCP is the one who enticed, all the while pointing at their devotion to EVE and that dedication would be manifest in DUST514. Merica haha ya from Norman decent, you son of a saxon dog!
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Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2014.05.06 22:28:00 -
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Ryme Intrinseca wrote:UK government guidance on the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008, section 7.3 wrote:A misleading action occurs when a practice misleads through the information it contains, or its deceptive presentation, and causes or is likely to cause the average consumer to take a different decision. So if a company provided misleading information, or presented information in a misleading way, regarding their product, with the result that consumers made purchases they otherwise would not, they are in breach of consumer protection regulations. Legal remedies include civil and criminal enforcement, which aim to: UK government guidance on the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008, section 11.3 wrote:GÇó change the behaviour of the offender GÇó eliminate any financial gain or benefit from noncompliance GÇó be responsive and consider what is appropriate for the particular offender and regulatory issue GÇó be proportionate to the nature of the offence and the harm caused GÇó restore the harm caused by the regulatory noncompliance, where appropriate, and GÇó deter further non-compliance. The full UK government guidance is available here. Details on making a complaint are available here. Please note that there are similar regulations elsewhere in Europe as the UK simply follows EU consumer protection regulations.
This relates to the selling of the product.
The brief of DUST 514 is that it is a F2P FPS set within New Eden, which it meets perfectly. The brief for DUST 514 Origin Packs and Aurum Items is that they will provide you with in game items of a specific nature, which it meets perfectly.
After that the Law has no more effect. What CCP choose to do with your money, or what they develop with it, is entirely their own perogative. If you are attempting to insuate that CCP tricked you into buying Aurum to support DUST when they were in matter of fact funding legion, please feel free to show documentation of CCP saying where the money from Aurum goes.
At no point do they actually say Aurum sales in DUST go directly to DUST development. As much as I wanna kick CCP in the pants, please don't sound like such a self righteous *****
Looks like its back to FPS Military Shooter 56
Monkey Mac - Just another pile of discarded ashes on the battlefield!
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
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Posted - 2014.05.06 22:32:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:UK government guidance on the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008, section 7.3 wrote:A misleading action occurs when a practice misleads through the information it contains, or its deceptive presentation, and causes or is likely to cause the average consumer to take a different decision. So if a company provided misleading information, or presented information in a misleading way, regarding their product, with the result that consumers made purchases they otherwise would not, they are in breach of consumer protection regulations. Legal remedies include civil and criminal enforcement, which aim to: UK government guidance on the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008, section 11.3 wrote:GÇó change the behaviour of the offender GÇó eliminate any financial gain or benefit from noncompliance GÇó be responsive and consider what is appropriate for the particular offender and regulatory issue GÇó be proportionate to the nature of the offence and the harm caused GÇó restore the harm caused by the regulatory noncompliance, where appropriate, and GÇó deter further non-compliance. The full UK government guidance is available here. Details on making a complaint are available here. Please note that there are similar regulations elsewhere in Europe as the UK simply follows EU consumer protection regulations. This relates to the selling of the product. The brief of DUST 514 is that it is a F2P FPS set within New Eden, which it meets perfectly. The brief for DUST 514 Origin Packs and Aurum Items is that they will provide you with in game items of a specific nature, which it meets perfectly. After that the Law has no more effect. What CCP choose to do with your money, or what they develop with it, is entirely their own perogative. If you are attempting to insuate that CCP tricked you into buying Aurum to support DUST when they were in matter of fact funding legion, please feel free to show documentation of CCP saying where the money from Aurum goes. At no point do they actually say Aurum sales in DUST go directly to DUST development. As much as I wanna kick CCP in the pants, please don't sound like such a self righteous *****
decreto legislativo 206/2005 wrote:ci si riferisce a pubblicit+á ingannevole come qualsiasi pubblicit+á che in qualunque modo, compresa la sua presentazione, sia idonea ad indurre in errore le persone fisiche o giuridiche alle quali +¿ rivolta o che essa raggiunge e che, a causa del suo carattere ingannevole, possa pregiudicare il loro comportamento economico ovvero che, per questo motivo, sia idonea a ledere un concorrente
Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
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Posted - 2014.05.06 23:05:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:decreto legislativo 206/2005 wrote:ci si riferisce a pubblicit+á ingannevole come qualsiasi pubblicit+á che in qualunque modo, compresa la sua presentazione, sia idonea ad indurre in errore le persone fisiche o giuridiche alle quali +¿ rivolta o che essa raggiunge e che, a causa del suo carattere ingannevole, possa pregiudicare il loro comportamento economico ovvero che, per questo motivo, sia idonea a ledere un concorrente
Aah interesting, you are here by saying that CCP mislead you to believe that money from DUST Aurum packs would go to DUST because the Aurum Packs had images of DUST Content?
Unfortunately this would be thrown as the 'Packaging' is directly advertising the product. It is not inferred, suggested or misleading you into believing DUST bought Aurum funds DUST. Otherwise Lucozade, Walkers, and numerous other companies would come under this law to, by buying an Aurum Pack you are aware you are paying a company (CCP) for a service, they are not 'tricking' you into believing that when you buy a bottle of lucozade, the money goes to lucozade it infacts goes to the company that owns lucozade. Yet you assume it does.
DUST Aurum packs in no way infer that DUST will benifit from, the only thing they infer is that you will get a load of cool sh*t, which you do. The way you interpret it as singular person is not enough to prosecute.
Otherwise how would they have funded DUST, they couldn't have done it using EvE money by the same pretence. So where would CCP get the money?
Looks like its back to FPS Military Shooter 56
Monkey Mac - Just another pile of discarded ashes on the battlefield!
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