CCP u need to get ur crap together and deliver on dust not start another project, i cant belive that for the past 7-8 months u devs have been working on a side project that is intended to surpas dust in every way, and dust isnt even a quarter of what u promised us wtf would you start a new game for when dust still lacks even basic racial content? is that why it took you so long to release our heavy suits, because of a legion demo video?? how long will it be before we get our racial vehicles, turrets and milita gear? are you going to actully work on dust or legion, a project that is green lit and makes money or a project that will alienate and divide the playerbase befor its time which makes no money??

what the hell were you idiots thinking showing off what should be an expnsion for dust some 5-6 years after dusts life on ps3 less that a year after the 'official' release? why the fuk did you hav to show us that when its not needed for another 5-6 years? you killed any hope this community had for dust by doing so and i hope you realize that. the only way to salvage this situation with your playstation playerbase is to garrentee ps4 support and character transfer and progression to the next platform if you cant do that dont expect the playstation community to support you any longer.

ps3 is not dead tech its tried and true and it will not be obsolete for another 6 years, a consoles lifespan is 10- years without hardware upgrades, you cannot get a pc built the same year a new console is released and expect it to last the lifespan of a console without a hardware upgrade and still play the same games relesed later in the consoles life.
thats why consoles are better for gaming.

im not against legion, im against ccp droping dut to make legion when all they have to do is update and create new content for dust untill that time comes when dust needs to be moved to another platform to continue its life, not dropping the deelopment ball to just completely make a new and seprate game based on dusts feedback and glorified beta testing, there is a time and place for everything and fanfest 2014 was neiher the time or place to tell us dustbunnies about legion.

ps3 is not dead tech its tried and true and it will not be obsolete for another 6 years, a consoles lifespan is 10- years without hardware upgrades, you cannot get a pc built the same year a new console is released and expect it to last the lifespan of a console without a hardware upgrade and still play the same games relesed later in the consoles life.
thats why consoles are better for gaming.

im not against legion, im against ccp droping dut to make legion when all they have to do is update and create new content for dust untill that time comes when dust needs to be moved to another platform to continue its life, not dropping the deelopment ball to just completely make a new and seprate game based on dusts feedback and glorified beta testing, there is a time and place for everything and fanfest 2014 was neiher the time or place to tell us dustbunnies about legion.

sure but you cannot tell me that a computer built in 2006 th same year ps3 was released that that 2006 computer will play games made today without a hardware upgrade of some sort, an not to mention all the third party crap required to run a pc i general, it too much of a hassle to deal with rather than buying a console that will last me 10 years or more and continually drops i price, requires no third party software, and no hardware upgrades for that whole 10 years.

As far as Platform goes, PC is superior only an idiot could disagree with that

Anyone who thinks the PS3 can compete with the PC, and the PS4 by extension, are fooling themselves at best.

Anyone who thinks the PS3 can compete with the PC, and the PS4 by extension, are fooling themselves at best.

This is not an issue, PC is way more powerful ... but the issue is Dust was unique due to being multi-platform. If Legion/Eve/Valkyrie are all on PC this just adds to the time sink on one universe/platform ... Dust clones are the tormented infantry grunts of New Eden... and Dust is actually functioning well enough that CCP could try reach out to the players that ran from Dust514 at first sight of the lazy NPE

im not saying that ps3 can play ps4 games at the same specs dont make bullshlt up, u know for a fact that a pc built by 2006 standards will not play current ps3 titles without first upgading the pc, and a pc built today will not play ps4 games developet in th laterpart of the systems life without first upgading hardware, thas what i said dont make shlt up especially when u got the fkn quotes

Going to PC ensures that a quality PS4 port happens, faster, so the console argument goes out the window, and it just sounds like you expected this game to sit on PS3 for forever.

You still have way to much stock in a PS4 port happening. At CCPs rate, it'll come out in the final year of the PS4s life (I'd say around 2019 or 2020) and we'll be in the same boat.

My PC was made before Skyrim but it plays skyrim at max specs, while heavily modded.

So, I seem to be missing your point.

so ur telling me tht a computer built in 2006 will play skyrim at mx specs and running several mods? i think ur lying.

Do the PC gamers really have that much time on their hands that they can dedicate time to
3 games set in the same universe, if they do I'm really not sure if I want to join that community ..

im not saying that ps3 can play ps4 games at the same specs dont make bullshlt up, u know for a fact that a pc built by 2006 standards will not play current ps3 titles without first upgading the pc, and a pc built today will not play ps4 games developet in th laterpart of the systems life without first upgading hardware, thas what i said dont make shlt up especially when u got the fkn quotes

ps3 is not dead tech its tried and true and it will not be obsolete for another 6 years, a consoles lifespan is 10- years without hardware upgrades, you cannot get a pc built the same year a new console is released and expect it to last the lifespan of a console without a hardware upgrade and still play the same games relesed later in the consoles life.
thats why consoles are better for gaming.

im not against legion, im against ccp droping dut to make legion when all they have to do is update and create new content for dust untill that time comes when dust needs to be moved to another platform to continue its life, not dropping the deelopment ball to just completely make a new and seprate game based on dusts feedback and glorified beta testing, there is a time and place for everything and fanfest 2014 was neiher the time or place to tell us dustbunnies about legion.

Because after 10 years those console games havent advanced 10 years, but those PC games have. WOW.

Only a console peasant would say the nonability to upgrade your hardware is a PRO instead of a CON.

My PC was made before Skyrim but it plays skyrim at max specs, while heavily modded.

So, I seem to be missing your point.

Anyone who thinks the PS3 can compete with the PC, and the PS4 by extension, are fooling themselves at best.

I enjoy my 1.5 second load time on skyrim

You must not be talking about sales wise right? Or profit right? Or even user base right? Or cost efficiency?

I wonder..... is this dummy going to try to dispute any of these things, I wait eagerly.

ive made my point pcs are for doing work sure u can play games on it but its not a game machine, consoles ar specificly built to be consumer friendly low cost game machines with ten year development lifespans with no third party software needed, its just easier to deal with a console over a computer time and cost wise, thats why they make a lot of them and sell a lot of them too

ive made my point pcs are for doing work sure u can play games on it but its not a game machine, consoles ar specificly built to be consumer friendly low cost game machines with ten year development lifespans with no third party software needed, its just easier to deal with a console over a computer time and cost wise, thats why they make a lot of them and sell a lot of them too

You must not be talking about sales wise right? Or profit right? Or even user base right? Or cost efficiency?

I wonder..... is this dummy going to try to dispute any of these things, I wait eagerly.

That's like saying a sports car is for racing at the track while a minivan is for driving on the street. All of the sudden the sports car can't drive on the street?

My PC is made for gaming, I built it Summer 2010 and its already better than the PS4 at gaming. The only reason PS4's are for 'gaming' is because Sony shells out tons of cash for console exclusivity. There is no other reason a PC can't play a PS4 game better than the PS4 can.

To have a PC that was around before Skyrim, that can max out skyrim.... you would have needed at the very least a GTX 480 or 295 GTX at that time.... you know a $600 card at that time. Thats right, you needed to spend $600 (which is a Ps4 and idk... 7-8 brand new games with trade ins, or ~ 6 years of PSPlus and 103+ free games) You spent that to be cutting edge for ~1 year.

Can a GTX 480 really run everything maxxed out anymore (the answer is lol no.)

IF you made a PC in 2010 that is better for gaming than a Ps4... well I guess you spent 2k+ on it due to the fact that the best GFX card you could have (over $600) was the GTX 480, of which you would need between 2-3 in SLI in order to match the Ps4, oh you must have had a pretty badass board ($250+) in order to facilitate that, oh and a ton of ram ($200+), that isn't to mention the expensive powersupply that you would need to use, or the fact that your electrical bill just from the past 3 years could have bought you a PS4 with 4-5 years of PSplus (you know 120+ free games).

My cards were released in late 2010, run skyrim at max, at 1920x1200, with minimal loading. I can play current games that came out today at max or near max same resolution with no issues.

Try again pleb.

Oh no I guess you're right, I was off a year. June 2011 I bought a GTX 570 for 300. Bought a second one used last year for 125.

I never said that PCs were cheaper, but to say that PCs are for doing work and that consoles are for gaming is ignorant and wrong.

You know what you wrote is the equivalent of banging your head on the keyboard? Actually you may have come up with a more intellegent response that way.

#1, best card around skyrim's release (a 3 year old game btw) was GTX 480

#2 you said cards, that implies you bought $1200 worth of cards, or enough to buy a Ps4 three times over.

#3 of course PC games haven't increased in requirements too much since 2010, most PC games use consoles as their primary development platform, you get our leftovers. As soon as development switches entirely to PS4/Xbox1 you guys can finally start spending $1200 every two years again for 10% more performance LOL.

I'm talking about the ability to run a next gen game.

PC or $400.00 PS4?

Well now, a ps3/ps4 with:
a G27 racing wheel & Wheel stand pro $500.00
50 Sony Bravia $2500.00
Samsung surround sound $300.00
External AMP and pro ear cans $370.00
Comfy couch-priceless

and yes, a P7 dual SLI PC
--**** UE4 has no sli support what a POS, console optimized game engine

FU

You can have that exact same setup with a PC, and better performance.

Just sayin'

You can have that exact same setup with a PC, and better performance.

Just sayin'

HARDWARE arguments are for turd-nerdley's, the battle was won along time ago and was over CONTENT.

1. You dont have to buy the top of the line card just to play games at max. My cards at release were only about 300 each, and have been dropping since. Guess what, the least you will see a PS4 for in 10 years is still 250$, talk about getting ripped off.
2. LOL see #1
3. Games arnt all about graphics. PC games can have higher player counts that your peasant box cant handle. Also, lol, Ive been enjoying my coop Rome 2 campaign with my former Dust bro. Tell me, where can I get (good) strategy games on console?

You can have that exact same setup with a PC, and better performance.

Just sayin'

Going to PC ensures that a quality PS4 port happens, faster, so the console argument goes out the window, and it just sounds like you expected this game to sit on PS3 for forever.

Rome 2 a good strategy game ? bicht plz a Heavily modded Rome total 1 is better.

With mods, yea. Cant do mods on a console can you?

With mods, yea. Cant do mods on a console can you?

Yea, why dont they spend time and money working on saving a project that is bleeding clients on dead technology?

This is not an issue, PC is way more powerful ... but the issue is Dust was unique due to being multi-platform. If Legion/Eve/Valkyrie are all on PC this just adds to the time sink on one universe/platform ... Dust clones are the tormented infantry grunts of New Eden... and Dust is actually functioning well enough that CCP could try reach out to the players that ran from Dust514 at first sight of the lazy NPE

My PC was made before Skyrim but it plays skyrim at max specs, while heavily modded.

So, I seem to be missing your point.

Just to clarify, gaming desktops have potentially far superior graphics capabilities compared to consoles. Agreed. They also have better social networking tools, mod communities, and so forth.

What they don't have is a low barrier to entry, in either technical knowledge or cost. Sure, the claim is made that consoles reach obsolescence sooner than desktops, but that's not the entire story--consoles are active gaming platforms for usually about 5 - 7 years. In those 5 - 7 years, developers learn the hardware so well that they can maximize its potential. This isn't to say that consoles at this point outperform desktops graphically, it's just to point out that there are graphical improvements over the lifetime of these systems.

Desktops
Pros: better graphics, better social networking, mod communities, better distro services (eg, Steam--can't wait for Steam machines!), extensible, etc.
Cons: Expensive to upkeep (ie, to perpetually run the highest graphics settings), not comfortable to play from a couch, KB/M is typically only viable option for many games, can't multiplay locally without another machine

Consoles
Pros: Ease-of-use/low barrier to entry, more affordable, can play comfortably from almost any position on any piece of furniture, can multiplay locally with one machine
Cons: Less awesome distro services, lack of social networking, non-extensible, inferior graphics, controller is only viable option for most games

Graphics aside (which seem to me the most contentious issue, and which I agree PC pwns), it really comes down to cost/personality. In my experience, PC gaming is almost always much more involved/serious than console gaming, and forces me to sit at a desk to play, which I hate because I work on computers all day for a living. KB/M versus controller is also mostly a matter of what games you play (eg, good luck trying to play DOTA with an XBOX 360 controller, and likewise using KB/M for fighting games or fast-paced platformers). In most cases, either can be used effectively, but they each have their strengths.

PlanetSide 2 FTW!

Browsing responses and You Sir! have too much time on your hands, initially you comment PC is better, for no real need... now your boasting on your PC...... Dust was set to be a console shooter, ps3 hopefully ps4 ... The reason gamers are reacting badly to Legion is they will join ****stains like you on PC platform... I will be on later to respond to actual replies to this thread

Dust fiend how you feel about the tweet you replied to in less than a minute yesterday with no reply, u3 "heavily modified" are you sure your cray super computer will handle it?

Browsing responses and You Sir! have too much time on your hands, initially you comment PC is better, for no real need... now your boasting on your PC...... Dust was set to be a console shooter, ps3 hopefully ps4 ... The reason gamers are reacting badly to Legion is they will join ****stains like you on PC platform... I will be on later to respond to actual replies to this thread

On that note how confident are you that it will be super awesome on that system. You've gone from the biggest hater to biggest fanboy in less than a day because you spent some money on a heat machine good on ya. Recent developments must have really changed your mind about Shanghai's ability what gives? Spill the beans on what your seeing so different from May 1, was it the trees or hearing all the same stuff from 2009/10/11/12/13 ad nausem?

On that note how confident are you that it will be super awesome on that system. You've gone from the biggest hater to biggest fanboy in less than a day because you spent some money on a heat machine good on ya. Recent developments must have really changed your mind about Shanghai's ability what gives? Spill the beans on what your seeing so different from May 1, was it the trees or hearing all the same stuff from 2009/10/11/12/13 ad nausem?

Dust fiend is such a moron.

Biggest hater? I ripped into CCP for HOW they delivered, not WHAT they delivered.

I ******* love the idea of Legion. As I've said, time and time and time again, I was going to quit DUST for good before they announced Legion, because I and others knew that it had no real future on the PS3. I came into this game in the closed beta on the initial dream, and that's the game I want to play.

It doesn't cost me a dime to look to the future, and if Legion flops? I play different games.

It's a video game. I'm not going to get bent out of shape over entertainment anymore lol. If it succeeds, great, I'll be there leading my dropship squadrons into glorious combat. If it fails, I will be enjoying Destiny (on the PS4 that I intend to get, because ::gasp:: I have both console and PC) or Star Citizen or god only knows what other games come out by then.

Everyone knows someone like you, the monday mourning quarterback. The guy who just knew that yahoo was going to be huge (and didn't invest), the guy who just knew Madoff was a scammer( but got ripped off), the guy who was totally going to nail that chick, but knew she had genital herpes (like you even had a chance buddy).

Point is, hindsight is 20/20, unless you can link me to an unedited post from before 5/2 about How you were quittting and knew Dust was dead, you are assumed to be full of it.

Certainly true enough, but so long as the PvP side of DUST is still being tended to, then at least people who don't like how it turns out at first, can just completely ignore it. DUST needs something that actually appeals to a broader audience (PvE) and helps them enter and grow in the game before they ever have to get fed to the dogs in matchmaking. It also allows for the connection between EVE and DUST to grow, because when we get P2P market, we could say, get all sorts of cool industry loot from drones, that we trade to EVE pilots for, tier three tanks, I don't know.