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Tallen Ellecon
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Posted - 2014.05.06 20:12:00 -
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Hecarim Van Hohen wrote:Hin Raven wrote:tastzlike chicken wrote:Yes there are sociopaths but many people in EVE are very helpful and supporting of new players. Even the ones that just blew you up. I have been in fleets where pilots reimbursed victims for their ships after we found out they were new; then they were directed to safer zipcodes.
It really kind of depends on your attitude. I can almost promise you that if you come off as arrogant or immune to advise then the big-boy-rules will automatically go into effect. And if you like to make big statements or truth-claims without supporting your position with a reasoned argument - you will get your face eaten. Then you will be bombed with links, and spreadsheets and graphs.....and then real bombs...and then more links... Which game has the worse sociopaths eve or dust? I'd say that the PC and the console communities have the worst sociopaths you could ever find
PC gamer here, and I agree. It should be no surprise that some of the biggest Dust sociopaths came from EVE (including myself)
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Hin Raven
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
38
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Posted - 2014.05.06 21:49:00 -
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byte modal wrote:Oh. and sorta back on point!
I've had an EvE account longer than I can remember. Ever since first picking up "planetary vehicles" or "marines" cargo for early missions I've always been jazzed by the idea of entering a planetary atmosphere in some form of transport ship and setting foot on the surface of that planet---as an EvE player. Even if it meant just transporting military units of some type to a planet knowing that they could access the surface has always been an in-game fantasy. For more EvE players than you'd think. Walking in station is as close as that ever got for us and even that is more like what you get in your merc quarters. The main difference being we get to style our hair and stuff =\
So, yeah. DUST (in concept at least), is cool to a lot of pilots. IMHO.
Also, I think judging by the replies you're getting, you can see where the vile is regarding forum attitudes. EvE/DUST hybrids are here with their hands out to support and invite.
All the best,
- me. Thanks eve will be my chill out game also |
Hin Raven
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
38
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Posted - 2014.05.06 21:52:00 -
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waistr wrote:try posting that question on the EVE forum, Im not trolling. Id be interested in the responses, been concidering EVE myself Think you need an eve account to post there. |
Jarod Garamonde Jr
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
137
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Posted - 2014.05.06 21:56:00 -
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Hecarim Van Hohen wrote:Jarod Garamonde Jr wrote:Byozuma Kegawa wrote: You will have the good people, but as soon as you warp out of hisec you're going to find yourself ganked in short order by people who only really do it to be jerks or are trying to pad out their bounty profile. This is a stereotype Carebear mentality. Most of those guys who will "gank you in short order as soon as you leave highsec" are actually some of the most helpful and friendly players in the game. Pirates aren't the badguys, and we don't "do it just to be jerks"..... we do it because hunting down and killing a player's ship is more of a challenge than insta-blapping hundreds and hundreds of NPCs. This is actually true, I was ganked on a gate (auto-pilot shopping) and he sent me a mail asking if I was new, which I admitted of being, so he invited me into a private chat and walked me through pretty much everything from traveling to pvp. I also got invited into a channel for pirates ( I was interested) and that channel was awesome, they were very helpful and wanted me to be good at the game so I could enjoy the EVE universe.
Confirming. Sometimes, I share fits with guys I kill. If he turns on me and actually puts up a good fight with his PvE ship, I can occasionally be inspired to pay for his loss and give some advice to help him improve his fighting-back ability. Every now and again, when a noob REALLY impresses me with his ability to defend himself and accept a lossmail with a smile, I'll recruit him into SMERG. In any case, as long as the guy I kill doesn't rage out at me (as most actual carebears will, sadly), I always let him know that I really want him to grow, improve, and come back with a bigger/badder ship for revenge, someday. Every player that quits EVE is one less target, and I'd rather have a good brawl than a one-sided insta-blap, any day.
Silly Infantrymen... CAS Requests are for Forward Observers...
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
10171
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Posted - 2014.05.06 21:58:00 -
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Hin Raven wrote:Or would i be ganked so much that the game would be unplayable?
A member of Snuffbox I once knew taught me a lesson in EVE I will never forget.
He says to me, back before I ever made True Adamance mind you or even got into the lore of the game, "Oi Harkon come out to Tannolen I want to show you what a well fit T3 looks like."
Me being a poor little newbie, and highly suspicious of him, for good reason, warps out there.
Tackled, Locked, and already typing in local "Gimme 100M ISK or I'll pod you."
I sit there chuckling as he blasts me to atoms.
No...... its not a nice place. You will soon find that New Eden is too big, and you are far too small to achieve a great deal.
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Denn Maell
PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives
364
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Posted - 2014.05.06 21:58:00 -
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You'd be ganked no more than anyone else in Eve. Forum wise they have more moderators on the Eve forums than Dust (was considering volunteering for ISD to help moderate these forums, but I'm not sure if that system is in place here), so its decidedly toned down.
Also, in Eve you can chill in the "Mostly Harmless" Hi-sec and mine Scordite for a safe source of income. Give a question on Local and odds are some one will answer. Avoid fleet invites that ask you to jump several systems over, however. Those might be trolls.
The most OP weapon on the Dust Battle Field:
One good logi, one rep tool, and a heavy.
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low genius
The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad.
1809
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Posted - 2014.05.06 23:48:00 -
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Hin Raven wrote:Or would i be ganked so much that the game would be unplayable?
a dust player can start getting solo kills in eve online within 2 weeks.
a guy joined us in eve and got his first kill on day 9, first solo on day 12.
skill high-speed maneuvering, acceleration control, evasive maneuvering, and navigation to level 5 as fast as you can only skill other things up to the level that you ABSOLUTELY have to to fit what you need to fit.
join 'the condor bar' and tell anybody fuegos sent you.
eatsbabies cienfuegos
steward of the renegade alliance.
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low genius
The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad.
1809
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Posted - 2014.05.06 23:52:00 -
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Hin Raven wrote:VINGTHOR LYNN wrote:Hin Raven wrote: Is it like proto stomping or is there always a risk of it but mostly you can get in and get out fast enough? I would like that sort of tension but if it was constant non stop grinding stomping every time i left high sec for a mission then that would be annoying
Well its more about choosing a friendly corp that sticks together and trains their newbs. Its a steep learning curve but like in our case if you are part of a big alliance you are not abandoned to the wolfs. Still it took us sometime to find a place and we drifted a bit. The mistake we made is we started in hisec space, where all the newbs start, and mostly run missions and did mining. We got wardecked ( challenged into a war by other bigger corps) all the time and it was frustrating. The only way to be safe in EVE is to jump into the deep end, learn PVP and be part of an active and well organised corp. Once you learn the ropes and have some skill you can do anything you like, industry, solo hunting, exploration etc. My thinking would be to take it nice and easy in high sec for a month or two then maybe ease into a corp and get fully into the game. After dust and other fps i dont play enough to get good at. Nice and slow would be a nice break. Ill probably just mine in high sec for the first while.
don't do this. please. go out and get into fights in low sec as fast as you can high sec is for shopping.
the advantage that people have is combat experience. go get experience.
eatsbabies cienfuegos
steward of the renegade alliance.
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Poonmunch
Sanguis Defense Syndicate
887
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Posted - 2014.05.06 23:52:00 -
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Sure you are welcome.
But we will try to kill you.
Nothing personal, it's how we roll. Everyone gets the same treatment.
Munch
Anyone who buys AUR now is a fool.
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tastzlike chicken
Rogue Spades
268
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Posted - 2014.05.07 00:40:00 -
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Hin Raven wrote:tastzlike chicken wrote:Yes there are sociopaths but many people in EVE are very helpful and supporting of new players. Even the ones that just blew you up. I have been in fleets where pilots reimbursed victims for their ships after we found out they were new; then they were directed to safer zipcodes.
It really kind of depends on your attitude. I can almost promise you that if you come off as arrogant or immune to advise then the big-boy-rules will automatically go into effect. And if you like to make big statements or truth-claims without supporting your position with a reasoned argument - you will get your face eaten. Then you will be bombed with links, and spreadsheets and graphs.....and then real bombs...and then more links... Which game has the worse sociopaths eve or dust?
I had made a post a while back with my now biomassed alt that predicted these particular forums would be extra nasty due to the collision of EVE players and MAG vets.
I have to go with EVE though for the win. The mechanics of that game really allow people to indulge their inner sociopath. -so they're more evident.
I support legion. - it's more of a theoretical support. Depending on the feedback I get, it may become actual support.
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tastzlike chicken
Rogue Spades
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Posted - 2014.05.07 00:52:00 -
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low genius wrote:Hin Raven wrote:VINGTHOR LYNN wrote:Hin Raven wrote: Is it like proto stomping or is there always a risk of it but mostly you can get in and get out fast enough? I would like that sort of tension but if it was constant non stop grinding stomping every time i left high sec for a mission then that would be annoying
Well its more about choosing a friendly corp that sticks together and trains their newbs. Its a steep learning curve but like in our case if you are part of a big alliance you are not abandoned to the wolfs. Still it took us sometime to find a place and we drifted a bit. The mistake we made is we started in hisec space, where all the newbs start, and mostly run missions and did mining. We got wardecked ( challenged into a war by other bigger corps) all the time and it was frustrating. The only way to be safe in EVE is to jump into the deep end, learn PVP and be part of an active and well organised corp. Once you learn the ropes and have some skill you can do anything you like, industry, solo hunting, exploration etc. My thinking would be to take it nice and easy in high sec for a month or two then maybe ease into a corp and get fully into the game. After dust and other fps i dont play enough to get good at. Nice and slow would be a nice break. Ill probably just mine in high sec for the first while. don't do this. please. go out and get into fights in low sec as fast as you can high sec is for shopping. the advantage that people have is combat experience. go get experience.
Yeah, don't do that. Or don't do it exclusively or for long. I did that and was about to quit the game/take a long break. -Then I met some crazy hair-on-fire theorycrafting PvP'ers named eatsbabies cienfuegos and Johnny Freedom and 3 or 4 other people. We did a thing. One of the most enjoyable gaming experiences I've ever had.
I support legion. - it's more of a theoretical support. Depending on the feedback I get, it may become actual support.
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low genius
The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad.
1815
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Posted - 2014.05.07 00:55:00 -
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tastzlike chicken wrote:low genius wrote:Hin Raven wrote:VINGTHOR LYNN wrote:Hin Raven wrote: Is it like proto stomping or is there always a risk of it but mostly you can get in and get out fast enough? I would like that sort of tension but if it was constant non stop grinding stomping every time i left high sec for a mission then that would be annoying
Well its more about choosing a friendly corp that sticks together and trains their newbs. Its a steep learning curve but like in our case if you are part of a big alliance you are not abandoned to the wolfs. Still it took us sometime to find a place and we drifted a bit. The mistake we made is we started in hisec space, where all the newbs start, and mostly run missions and did mining. We got wardecked ( challenged into a war by other bigger corps) all the time and it was frustrating. The only way to be safe in EVE is to jump into the deep end, learn PVP and be part of an active and well organised corp. Once you learn the ropes and have some skill you can do anything you like, industry, solo hunting, exploration etc. My thinking would be to take it nice and easy in high sec for a month or two then maybe ease into a corp and get fully into the game. After dust and other fps i dont play enough to get good at. Nice and slow would be a nice break. Ill probably just mine in high sec for the first while. don't do this. please. go out and get into fights in low sec as fast as you can high sec is for shopping. the advantage that people have is combat experience. go get experience. Yeah, don't do that. Or don't do it exclusively or for long. I did that and was about to quit the game/take a long break. -Then I met some crazy hair-on-fire theorycrafting PvP'ers named eatsbabies cienfuegos and Johnny Freedom and 3 or 4 other people. We did a thing. One of the most enjoyable gaming experiences I've ever had.
it was really, really, awesome enso.
eatsbabies cienfuegos
steward of the renegade alliance.
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact The East India Co.
3866
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Posted - 2014.05.07 00:58:00 -
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I dont differentiate from dust players and regular players i shot everyone. |
Talryn Vilneram
SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance
187
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Posted - 2014.05.07 03:12:00 -
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byte modal wrote:
- Same for gate to gate warping I guess. Align while cloaked, then warp. The logic is, spend the time turning your ship to the next warp destination while taking advantage of the momentary warp cloak as you appear invisible for a few seconds after a gate jump. Better spend the time doing that, than hitting the warp button, auto-decloaking, THEN auto-aligning before warp showing yourself to anyone passively looking to shoot at something.
Idunno. I'm at work and bored out of my mind. Sorry for the ramblings. Feel free to correct me if wrong, or add to.
- meow.
Ok I'll correct you here. You break cloak as SOON as you move. You cannot activate modules while you have gate cloak. The ONLY thing you can do while holding gate cloak is look around and see what kind of situation you are in.
Stick to fast ships like frigates and you will be caught much less often. Your losses will be easier to recover from as well.
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byte modal
71
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Posted - 2014.05.07 14:40:00 -
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Talryn Vilneram wrote:byte modal wrote:
- Same for gate to gate warping I guess. Align while cloaked, then warp. The logic is, spend the time turning your ship to the next warp destination while taking advantage of the momentary warp cloak as you appear invisible for a few seconds after a gate jump. Better spend the time doing that, than hitting the warp button, auto-decloaking, THEN auto-aligning before warp showing yourself to anyone passively looking to shoot at something.
Idunno. I'm at work and bored out of my mind. Sorry for the ramblings. Feel free to correct me if wrong, or add to.
- meow.
Ok I'll correct you here. You break cloak as SOON as you move. You cannot activate modules while you have gate cloak. The ONLY thing you can do while holding gate cloak is look around and see what kind of situation you are in. Stick to fast ships like frigates and you will be caught much less often. Your losses will be easier to recover from as well.
hrm. Fair enough. I never sat on gate really, so I've never paid attention to how target icons appear after a gate warp-in. I've only gone on the visual de-cloak animation of my own ship post gate jump which is usually still in transition by the time I hit warp to the next. Can't remember where or why I started doing that (forums most likely) but probably just took it for granted that my appearance was the same to others around me at that stage. I've been very lucky then ;) well... I guess that would explain my Kestrel popping before I even phased in a year or two back lol.
Thanks for the clarification :)
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