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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.05.08 16:24:00 -
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Fair, Proportional Skill Point transfer between games:
The best way to do it would be to divide your DUST 514 skill points by the passive skill point accrual rate to determine how long it would take to get that many skill points in DUST 514 through passive skill point accrual alone. Then multiply that number by the passive skill point accrual rate in Legion. That would give you a completely proportional transfer of skill points from one game to the other.
As long as they still have passive skill point accrual in Legion, this equation will work, even if they change the proportional value of a skill point considerably.
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Fox Gaden
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Posted - 2014.05.09 13:00:00 -
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Radar map Compass directions & Coordinates:
N is not enough. We need E, W, and S as well so we donGÇÖt have to do mental calculations when facing South to determine whether the Sniper to our left is in the East or the West. I am a Cartographer in real life and even I have to stop and think for a moment when giving directions.
Personally I would prefer to have North always at the top of the radar map, and an arrow on my dot to tell me which way I am facing. It would also make it easier to orient yourself to what you can remember of the spawn map. But if they insist on spinning the map so that the direction you are facing is up, then they need to indicate the other compass directions.
Also, displaying Coordinates below the radar map for your position, which correspond to a grid on the spawn map, would help a lot!
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Dalmont Legrand
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Posted - 2014.05.09 14:13:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Dalmont, dropsuits are described as miniature starships. They provide full life support. Oceanic could perhaps revolve around relatively shallow parts, not just for pressure, but because of light/visibility as well. Vehicles might be unique submersible vehicles on that map potentially. Gas probably would involve a "floating platform" in the upper atmosphere of the planet or something similar.
Don't want to argue with you but you better grab on some book about astrophysics.
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.05.09 14:14:00 -
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medomai grey wrote:When I watched the Legion proof of concept, I noticed that the HUD(heads-up display) didn't differ all that much from Dust514. And that's a pity because there's still so much more room for improvement.
I would like to see:
GÇó Radar and map integration on the top left of the screen. The map should be a contour map that shows elevation, buildings and obstacles, longitude, latitude and your coordinates. I would also like to see labels and markers indicating the radial distance from the mercenary. This will aid coordination among players, give a better indication of where stuff is on the radar, and help players navigate the map better.
GÇó All gun info(ammo, heat, charge) on the bottom right corner of the screen needs to be moved onto the gun or reticle. Humans can only see a small area clearly, everything around that area is unfocused. Having information such as ammo, heat, and charge separated from what you are aiming at makes the experience cumbersome as the user has to keep switching their focus away from their target to check up on gun info at the bottom right of the screen. Also adds to immersion as a bonus.
GÇó Semi transparent text chat channel of player choice in the bottom right of the screen. Not all players have mics and communicating orders may be better if it constantly shows on the grunts screens. Also in game notices like orbital strike available or you got mail will be easier to notice than seeing words or images briefly pop-up and then disappear.
GÇó Overview map needs an overhaul. There's too much information that one can gleam by simply going to the over view map. Where is that sniper? Where is that tank? Where is the bulk of enemy forces? Just go to the overview map and its there; anything that isn't blue is an enemy, you don't need the red tags to figure that out. And It shouldn't be that way. I should have to coordinate with scouts, dropships, LAVs, capsuleers, etc. or drop some specialized equipment on the map for scans. There needs to be a "fog of war" to allow information gathering to be critical in game.
To get the "fog of war" I mentioned, we need to change the way the map is presented. We can't simply render the entire map and choose not to render in the enemies because that would not make sense immersion wise. I can see the entire field from a camera above the battle but I cant see my un-scanned enemies? I recommend changing the current live video stream overview map into a contour map that some unknown sensors took a 3D scan from orbit. Don't forget to add elevation, buildings and obstacles, longitude and latitude. A benefit of going this route may be shorter times in bringing up the overview map.
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.05.09 14:20:00 -
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IgniteableAura wrote:Please please please add N,S,E,W onto the minimap as well as the "compass" you have on the top of the screen. PLEASE!
I assume that compass on the top will eventually rotate, but wanted to ensure you are actually placing the nautical directions onto it.
Also putting the grid coordinates somewhere on the HUD would be nice (EX: B5). So its not only easy to reference for technical problems, but also to give those supplying OBs a more definitive target. Match the grid coordinates with the ones already published in the "map feedback" section of the forums. Place these grid coordinates on the full screen map as well. Source
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Fox Gaden
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Posted - 2014.05.09 14:22:00 -
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J-Lewis wrote:I think the HUD feature I was the most excited to see was compass bearing (despite it not being functional in the demo). It's a very important tool for efficient fire-team co-ordination. I'd like to see more tools to help players co-ordinate more efficiently:
- Map markers: Let players place markers and notes on the map to help co-ordinate team efforts.
- Team hierarchy (equivalent of fleets in EVE): Enable players to have dedicated leader positions, with a display of who is in your fire-team/squad, and their role.
- Role icons: Should be player selected during fitting, not automatic, as the players know best what role a given fitting is meant to play; give us a handful of icons to pick from (wrench, asterisk, arrow, double arrow, diagonal line, etc...).
- Assigning color to squad members (red/blue/green/yellow): Enable squad leaders to break up groups into more manageable chunks.
- N/S/E/W marks on the radar/map: With an option to set the radar to be static or rotating depending on player preference.
Edit: Also seconding the above mention of grid co-ordinates. Source
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.05.09 14:37:00 -
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Squad Member identification:
Show the health readouts of all your squad members listed at the side of your screen. Have them numbered according to their position in the squad list.
On the radar, each green dot (squad member) should have a number corresponding to their position in the squad list. The number should also be shown next to their health bar when looking at them. This is to facilitate easy communication.
- You can warn a person via their number of threats in they should be aware of. GÇ£Dot 4, you got a Shotgunner on your 6!GÇ¥
- You can look at the list of your squad mates (with name and health bars) at the side of your screen if you need to know who is what number.
List the Dropsuit type with a small icon on the squad member list. This would change to a skull when dead, or a vehicle icon if they are in a vehicle. It would be nice to have small icons for the primary weapon, and the equipment they have equipped as well.
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Fox Gaden
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Posted - 2014.05.09 14:41:00 -
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.05.09 16:11:00 -
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Your Absolut End wrote:Radar changes -Introduce different chevrons for different suits (light, medium heavy) just like we have for vehicles Different suits have different scansignatures which will obviously tell your tacnet what you will be facing -Make the N mark more prominent, its barely visible most of the times and introduce WES aswell to help locating enemy troups -Introduce an easy read grid in meters to it, most new players dont understand the measurements -Add medium blue environment marks to show of if something is IN or OUTSIDE of a building -introduce a small arrow facing up or down to show of if displayed signature is above or underneath current location -Make size ov radar resizable in options menue, maybe with an option to set ur own ranges
General HUD I like the general way the HUD behaves but let's talk about a better performing HUD
-Locate the Heat build up/charge bar around the crosshair Especially in hot firefights in good to know how far you can go, especially with laser weaponary. -Introduce a bar with current status on squadmates, like the one we already got on the respan screen with same specifications (dead, in vehicle, on turret etc.) + introduce a status on their current health, and ammo stock (specially useful on logis) -Move info about MCC and clone reseves on top part of the screen, they are often undetected under the radar -Give the option to change the colour of your your crosshair, the game is settled mostly in sepia tones, so being forced to use a light yellow dot on amarrian technologie makes the already small dot often invisible, especially when fighting in sandy scenery.
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.05.09 17:10:00 -
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Dalmont Legrand wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Dalmont, dropsuits are described as miniature starships. They provide full life support. Oceanic could perhaps revolve around relatively shallow parts, not just for pressure, but because of light/visibility as well. Vehicles might be unique submersible vehicles on that map potentially. Gas probably would involve a "floating platform" in the upper atmosphere of the planet or something similar. Don't want to argue with you but you better grab on some book about astrophysics.
Planets in EVE don't orbit, and when you turn off your engines in EVE, you slow down.
Astrophysics in New Eden? Nonsense.
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Fox Gaden
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Posted - 2014.05.09 19:29:00 -
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Water...
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Dalmont Legrand
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Posted - 2014.05.10 12:53:00 -
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Fire...
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Dalmont Legrand
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Posted - 2014.05.10 13:20:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Dalmont Legrand wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Dalmont, dropsuits are described as miniature starships. They provide full life support. Oceanic could perhaps revolve around relatively shallow parts, not just for pressure, but because of light/visibility as well. Vehicles might be unique submersible vehicles on that map potentially. Gas probably would involve a "floating platform" in the upper atmosphere of the planet or something similar. Don't want to argue with you but you better grab on some book about astrophysics. Planets in EVE don't orbit, and when you turn off your engines in EVE, you slow down. Astrophysics in New Eden? Nonsense.
So you want to add more nonsense? A simple stuff like making front calibration engines of small size will make stopping in space a normal activity considering that they need to reflect the speed of ship only and not the warp speed as you enter warp from static speed and end in a static speed, this means in warp-space you gain speed you never had in space and warp engine collapses bubble only when the speed of a ship in warp is average for ship in normal space where it can easily stop, not taking in consideration stuff like gravity or weight of ships. Just to make it more truth-worthy some graphics on front engines for ships is enough, consider EVE is like a ship with lots of skills you need to train and not all of skills are of 5th level but you can fly it even with less skills, and CCP is a player who creates skills some are 5th level some still need to be completed...
We must know what is reliable and what is a time-waste and filter ones from others. You can't apply same mechanics for all planets, applying different will create new types of gameplay that involve more players and that is what is intended. By such, planets with no possibility of MCC and Null-cannons are a space station missions on orbitals or underwater and that is for a PVE or PVP without eve-side of different type with capture and destroy but that is already FPS games style we have in gaming industry and is not what we want. As well we could combine pve of both games having missions ran by players at same time in both games around planet or a station and here is far more interesting to create. I understand you wrote it a time ago but still it cannot be that way always, update your ideas or there always will be a guy that will say that something is nonsense.
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.05.10 22:47:00 -
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I could go into more depth on why "just adding front engines" wouldn't fix the nonsense regarding EVE physics, and would, in fact, make it even more nonsensical, but we're pretty far off-topic at this point.
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.05.12 14:01:00 -
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We download our consciousness into a clone half way across the galaxy to fight battles, but how does the rest of our stuff get there?
I propose that the items you own are stored in an automated inventory system at your home station. They donGÇÖt get transported to the battle (except possibly for in PC when using non standard items). In battle you donGÇÖt use your items, you use equivalent items belonging to the Corp which owns the Warbarge. The Corp you are working for has a large array of weapons and equipment in their WarBarge, and all the items that are in your fits are loaded onto the MCC before the battle.
When you lose an items on the battlefield, a similar item is taken from your inventory back on your home station and is transferred to the Corp that owns the Warbarge, to reimburse them for the item you lost.
Thus you get instant access to the items you need on the battlefield, yet items are not instantly teleported across the galaxy.
As a sidebar: If there was a desire to create game modes with meta level restrictions, this system could also explain it. In such matches you canGÇÖt use items above a certain meta level, because the Corps you are working for are not stocking any of the more expensive equipment.
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.05.24 21:07:00 -
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I just got this thread moved over to this forum. It contains a few ideas of what should be included. Anyone want to add any obvious items that need to be included in Legion?
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Godin Thekiller
shadows of 514
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Posted - 2014.05.24 21:38:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:We download our consciousness into a clone half way across the galaxy to fight battles, but how does the rest of our stuff get there?
I propose that the items you own are stored in an automated inventory system at your home station. They donGÇÖt get transported to the battle (except possibly for in PC when using non standard items). In battle you donGÇÖt use your items, you use equivalent items belonging to the Corp which owns the Warbarge. The Corp you are working for has a large array of weapons and equipment in their WarBarge, and all the items that are in your fits are loaded onto the MCC before the battle.
When you lose an items on the battlefield, a similar item is taken from your inventory back on your home station and is transferred to the Corp that owns the Warbarge, to reimburse them for the item you lost.
Thus you get instant access to the items you need on the battlefield, yet items are not instantly teleported across the galaxy.
Edit: Maybe ownership if items in Legion should simply be digital tokens of ownership. When you loot/salvage an item, you turn it in to a central inventory system, and are given a digital token of ownership of the item. This will also allow you to purchase items from distant markets without having to worry about transporting those items.
As a sidebar: If there was a desire to create game modes with meta level restrictions, this system could also explain it. In such matches you canGÇÖt use items above a certain meta level, because the Corps you are working for are not stocking any of the more expensive equipment.
Or
step 1: Bring BPO/BPC's along with you
step 2: items you want are built inside the warbarge, and then sent down with the MCC's/CRU's etc.
Or the stuff is loaded into the warbarge, and then you go.
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Godin Thekiller
shadows of 514
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Posted - 2014.05.24 21:54:00 -
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Drugs, booze, and other consumables
BP passes and city hubs
backpacks and vehicle cargo bays
agent mission types
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Godin Thekiller
The Corporate Raiders
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Posted - 2014.06.17 21:30:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:If they are building Legion from the ground up, lets make sure they get kills/deaths and vehicle ownership right this time!
Kills/Deaths: Dropping an enemy should count as an Incapacitation (+25 WP). If that clone bleeds out, or someone shoots the unconscious body so that the clone is lost, then it should count as a death and the person who Incapacitated the clone should get another (+25 WP) for the kill and have the kill added to their stats. (Not the guy that shot the unconscious body.) Similarly, the incapacitated player should only have a death added to their stats if the clone is lost. (This would greatly alter the way we look at Nanite Injectors.)
Vehicle Ownership: When a vehicle is hacked, the ownership of that vehicle should be transferred to the person who hacked it. BPO vehicles should spawn into the match as single match Blue Print Copies that disappear at the end of the match, to prevent a permanent copy being created when a BPO vehicle is hacked. Non BPO modules on a BPO vehicle (BPC) should go into the HackerGÇÖs inventory even though the BPC vehicle does not. Non BPO vehicles would go into the HackerGÇÖs inventory at the end of the match as individual items (like salvage) rather than as complete fits.
1: Why do you still want a lobby shooter out of Legion?
2: As long as piloting the vehicle means having the skills for it.
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.06.17 21:54:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Fox Gaden wrote:If they are building Legion from the ground up, lets make sure they get kills/deaths and vehicle ownership right this time!
Kills/Deaths: Dropping an enemy should count as an Incapacitation (+25 WP). If that clone bleeds out, or someone shoots the unconscious body so that the clone is lost, then it should count as a death and the person who Incapacitated the clone should get another (+25 WP) for the kill and have the kill added to their stats. (Not the guy that shot the unconscious body.) Similarly, the incapacitated player should only have a death added to their stats if the clone is lost. (This would greatly alter the way we look at Nanite Injectors.)
Vehicle Ownership: When a vehicle is hacked, the ownership of that vehicle should be transferred to the person who hacked it. BPO vehicles should spawn into the match as single match Blue Print Copies that disappear at the end of the match, to prevent a permanent copy being created when a BPO vehicle is hacked. Non BPO modules on a BPO vehicle (BPC) should go into the HackerGÇÖs inventory even though the BPC vehicle does not. Non BPO vehicles would go into the HackerGÇÖs inventory at the end of the match as individual items (like salvage) rather than as complete fits. 1: Why do you still want a lobby shooter out of Legion? 2: As long as piloting the vehicle means having the skills for it. You are referring to the mention of the word GÇ£matchGÇ¥ in the Vehicle Ownership description?
It was adapted from a pre Project Legion post. I probably should have changed the wording to GÇ£when you spawn into the districtGÇ¥ and GÇ£when you leave the districtGÇ¥.
Also, there will still be formal matches, just like WOW has Battlegrounds. Unlike DUST 514, Legion will also have open world PVP, which I support completely. I like options. If you donGÇÖt have a lot of time you can get into a fight quickly by queing for a formal PVP match. If you want to do your own thing, que into an open district.
I would be against getting rid of formal matches entirely. Open world can get quite boring when there is nothing going on, or you have been doing it too long.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.06.17 22:36:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Fox Gaden wrote:We download our consciousness into a clone half way across the galaxy to fight battles, but how does the rest of our stuff get there?
I propose that the items you own are stored in an automated inventory system at your home station. They donGÇÖt get transported to the battle (except possibly for in PC when using non standard items). In battle you donGÇÖt use your items, you use equivalent items belonging to the Corp which owns the Warbarge. The Corp you are working for has a large array of weapons and equipment in their WarBarge, and all the items that are in your fits are loaded onto the MCC before the battle.
When you lose an items on the battlefield, a similar item is taken from your inventory back on your home station and is transferred to the Corp that owns the Warbarge, to reimburse them for the item you lost.
Thus you get instant access to the items you need on the battlefield, yet items are not instantly teleported across the galaxy.
Edit: Maybe ownership if items in Legion should simply be digital tokens of ownership. When you loot/salvage an item, you turn it in to a central inventory system, and are given a digital token of ownership of the item. This will also allow you to purchase items from distant markets without having to worry about transporting those items.
As a sidebar: If there was a desire to create game modes with meta level restrictions, this system could also explain it. In such matches you canGÇÖt use items above a certain meta level, because the Corps you are working for are not stocking any of the more expensive equipment. Or step 1: Bring BPO/BPC's along with you step 2: items you want are built inside the warbarge, and then sent down with the MCC's/CRU's etc. Or the stuff is loaded into the warbarge, and then you go.
Assets in Dust were considered to be broken down into their basic nanite components and rebuilt on site as required. The digital token is most likely what we purchase in Dust, each being equivalent to a single leasing/ purchase of a BPC, which is constructed alongside our bodies on the battlefield.
Given the very nature of the technology mercenaries cannot be stuck in the complex processes of getting massive stock piles of physical weapons moved from site to site.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.06.17 22:38:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Fox Gaden wrote:If they are building Legion from the ground up, lets make sure they get kills/deaths and vehicle ownership right this time!
Kills/Deaths: Dropping an enemy should count as an Incapacitation (+25 WP). If that clone bleeds out, or someone shoots the unconscious body so that the clone is lost, then it should count as a death and the person who Incapacitated the clone should get another (+25 WP) for the kill and have the kill added to their stats. (Not the guy that shot the unconscious body.) Similarly, the incapacitated player should only have a death added to their stats if the clone is lost. (This would greatly alter the way we look at Nanite Injectors.)
Vehicle Ownership: When a vehicle is hacked, the ownership of that vehicle should be transferred to the person who hacked it. BPO vehicles should spawn into the match as single match Blue Print Copies that disappear at the end of the match, to prevent a permanent copy being created when a BPO vehicle is hacked. Non BPO modules on a BPO vehicle (BPC) should go into the HackerGÇÖs inventory even though the BPC vehicle does not. Non BPO vehicles would go into the HackerGÇÖs inventory at the end of the match as individual items (like salvage) rather than as complete fits. 1: Why do you still want a lobby shooter out of Legion? 2: As long as piloting the vehicle means having the skills for it. You are referring to the mention of the word GÇ£matchGÇ¥ in the Vehicle Ownership description? It was adapted from a pre Project Legion post. I probably should have changed the wording to GÇ£when you spawn into the districtGÇ¥ and GÇ£when you leave the districtGÇ¥. Also, there will still be formal matches, just like WOW has Battlegrounds. Unlike DUST 514, Legion will also have open world PVP, which I support completely. I like options. If you donGÇÖt have a lot of time you can get into a fight quickly by queing for a formal PVP match. If you want to do your own thing, que into an open district. I would be against getting rid of formal matches entirely. Open world can get quite boring when there is nothing going on, or you have been doing it too long.
I also have to suggest that instanced battles do continue to be present in Dust, not perhaps in a traditional lobby shooter form but as a representation of flash points that mercenaries would be likely to join and fight in.
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Godin Thekiller
The Corporate Raiders
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Posted - 2014.06.17 22:54:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Fox Gaden wrote:If they are building Legion from the ground up, lets make sure they get kills/deaths and vehicle ownership right this time!
Kills/Deaths: Dropping an enemy should count as an Incapacitation (+25 WP). If that clone bleeds out, or someone shoots the unconscious body so that the clone is lost, then it should count as a death and the person who Incapacitated the clone should get another (+25 WP) for the kill and have the kill added to their stats. (Not the guy that shot the unconscious body.) Similarly, the incapacitated player should only have a death added to their stats if the clone is lost. (This would greatly alter the way we look at Nanite Injectors.)
Vehicle Ownership: When a vehicle is hacked, the ownership of that vehicle should be transferred to the person who hacked it. BPO vehicles should spawn into the match as single match Blue Print Copies that disappear at the end of the match, to prevent a permanent copy being created when a BPO vehicle is hacked. Non BPO modules on a BPO vehicle (BPC) should go into the HackerGÇÖs inventory even though the BPC vehicle does not. Non BPO vehicles would go into the HackerGÇÖs inventory at the end of the match as individual items (like salvage) rather than as complete fits. 1: Why do you still want a lobby shooter out of Legion? 2: As long as piloting the vehicle means having the skills for it. You are referring to the mention of the word GÇ£matchGÇ¥ in the Vehicle Ownership description? It was adapted from a pre Project Legion post. I probably should have changed the wording to GÇ£when you spawn into the districtGÇ¥ and GÇ£when you leave the districtGÇ¥. Also, there will still be formal matches, just like WOW has Battlegrounds. Unlike DUST 514, Legion will also have open world PVP, which I support completely. I like options. If you donGÇÖt have a lot of time you can get into a fight quickly by queing for a formal PVP match. If you want to do your own thing, que into an open district. I would be against getting rid of formal matches entirely. Open world can get quite boring when there is nothing going on, or you have been doing it too long.
They don't make sense tbh. "Hey guys, I need you to wage war on this highly populated planet. Have Fun!". lol.
Look, having a quick battle solution is what you really want, and I see why people would want that. In which I say, there should be arenas. Otherwise it's open world.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.06.17 23:35:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Fox Gaden wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Fox Gaden wrote:If they are building Legion from the ground up, lets make sure they get kills/deaths and vehicle ownership right this time!
Kills/Deaths: Dropping an enemy should count as an Incapacitation (+25 WP). If that clone bleeds out, or someone shoots the unconscious body so that the clone is lost, then it should count as a death and the person who Incapacitated the clone should get another (+25 WP) for the kill and have the kill added to their stats. (Not the guy that shot the unconscious body.) Similarly, the incapacitated player should only have a death added to their stats if the clone is lost. (This would greatly alter the way we look at Nanite Injectors.)
Vehicle Ownership: When a vehicle is hacked, the ownership of that vehicle should be transferred to the person who hacked it. BPO vehicles should spawn into the match as single match Blue Print Copies that disappear at the end of the match, to prevent a permanent copy being created when a BPO vehicle is hacked. Non BPO modules on a BPO vehicle (BPC) should go into the HackerGÇÖs inventory even though the BPC vehicle does not. Non BPO vehicles would go into the HackerGÇÖs inventory at the end of the match as individual items (like salvage) rather than as complete fits. 1: Why do you still want a lobby shooter out of Legion? 2: As long as piloting the vehicle means having the skills for it. You are referring to the mention of the word GÇ£matchGÇ¥ in the Vehicle Ownership description? It was adapted from a pre Project Legion post. I probably should have changed the wording to GÇ£when you spawn into the districtGÇ¥ and GÇ£when you leave the districtGÇ¥. Also, there will still be formal matches, just like WOW has Battlegrounds. Unlike DUST 514, Legion will also have open world PVP, which I support completely. I like options. If you donGÇÖt have a lot of time you can get into a fight quickly by queing for a formal PVP match. If you want to do your own thing, que into an open district. I would be against getting rid of formal matches entirely. Open world can get quite boring when there is nothing going on, or you have been doing it too long. They don't make sense tbh. "Hey guys, I need you to wage war on this highly populated planet. Have Fun!". lol. Look, having a quick battle solution is what you really want, and I see why people would want that. In which I say, there should be arenas. Otherwise it's open world.
Plenty of scenarios could be written for why we fight on a highly populated planet from the Kador Family attempting to scramble a mercenary force to counter a terrorist attack by Trondahar Guard.
Core Complexions survey team is beset by True Power on a high sec world during an Incursion.
Federal Defense Union has moved into the demilitarised zone on Caldari Prime and State Protectorate forces have sent in mercenaries to counter the perceived offensive....
All scenarios can be written and allocated to even the most basic of instanced public matches to give flavour to them. Perhaps even the instanced matches deploy use to specific districts where large battles are taking place in other battlefields adjacent to us.
"You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength."
-Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
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Godin Thekiller
The Corporate Raiders
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Posted - 2014.06.18 01:38:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Fox Gaden wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Fox Gaden wrote:If they are building Legion from the ground up, lets make sure they get kills/deaths and vehicle ownership right this time!
Kills/Deaths: Dropping an enemy should count as an Incapacitation (+25 WP). If that clone bleeds out, or someone shoots the unconscious body so that the clone is lost, then it should count as a death and the person who Incapacitated the clone should get another (+25 WP) for the kill and have the kill added to their stats. (Not the guy that shot the unconscious body.) Similarly, the incapacitated player should only have a death added to their stats if the clone is lost. (This would greatly alter the way we look at Nanite Injectors.)
Vehicle Ownership: When a vehicle is hacked, the ownership of that vehicle should be transferred to the person who hacked it. BPO vehicles should spawn into the match as single match Blue Print Copies that disappear at the end of the match, to prevent a permanent copy being created when a BPO vehicle is hacked. Non BPO modules on a BPO vehicle (BPC) should go into the HackerGÇÖs inventory even though the BPC vehicle does not. Non BPO vehicles would go into the HackerGÇÖs inventory at the end of the match as individual items (like salvage) rather than as complete fits. 1: Why do you still want a lobby shooter out of Legion? 2: As long as piloting the vehicle means having the skills for it. You are referring to the mention of the word GÇ£matchGÇ¥ in the Vehicle Ownership description? It was adapted from a pre Project Legion post. I probably should have changed the wording to GÇ£when you spawn into the districtGÇ¥ and GÇ£when you leave the districtGÇ¥. Also, there will still be formal matches, just like WOW has Battlegrounds. Unlike DUST 514, Legion will also have open world PVP, which I support completely. I like options. If you donGÇÖt have a lot of time you can get into a fight quickly by queing for a formal PVP match. If you want to do your own thing, que into an open district. I would be against getting rid of formal matches entirely. Open world can get quite boring when there is nothing going on, or you have been doing it too long. They don't make sense tbh. "Hey guys, I need you to wage war on this highly populated planet. Have Fun!". lol. Look, having a quick battle solution is what you really want, and I see why people would want that. In which I say, there should be arenas. Otherwise it's open world. Plenty of scenarios could be written for why we fight on a highly populated planet from the Kador Family attempting to scramble a mercenary force to counter a terrorist attack by Trondahar Guard. Core Complexions survey team is beset by True Power on a high sec world during an Incursion. Federal Defense Union has moved into the demilitarised zone on Caldari Prime and State Protectorate forces have sent in mercenaries to counter the perceived offensive.... All scenarios can be written and allocated to even the most basic of instanced public matches to give flavour to them. Perhaps even the instanced matches deploy use to specific districts where large battles are taking place in other battlefields adjacent to us.
First one makes no sense, as it's by the Trondahar Guard, not other mercs.........
Second one is a incursion, not a public match
third one Is Navy combat, and has nothing to Do with Ground forces as far as Mercenaries goes.
And each of these would need specific maps on specific planets. You're quite literally asking to devote a high amount resources for that........... lol
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.06.18 02:54:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:
First one makes no sense, as it's by the Trondahar Guard, not other mercs.........
Second one is a incursion, not a public match
third one Is Navy combat, and has nothing to Do with Ground forces as far as Mercenaries goes.
And each of these would need specific maps on specific planets. You're quite literally asking to devote a high amount resources for that........... lol
These are more generalistic.
If you wish me to be more accurate.
Carthum Contracts mercenaries to attack a cargo hub (Line Harvest) on a Deniable Operation with a purpose that is not explained to mercs. The current owners are the Trondahar Guard who are responsible for the area are too busy with other operations and have outsourced to mercenaries.
Battle Ensures.
Core Complexion actually does fight True Power in game, or another Nation or Serpentis group. Perhaps Mercenaries are hired to attack the Core Complexions own Mercenaries hired for security.
As for the FDU and State Protectorate remember these are our employers, the branches in charge of various space side groups could also always hire mercs on the ground. Same scenario I stated.
Point is the scenario can be written by CCP to make sense, then randomly generated as assignment notes when a player selects a contract, as a simple immersive element as is done with Missions in EVE.
"You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength."
-Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
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