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Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 115	Posted - 2014.05.05 06:47:00 - [1] - Quote Problems not related to Ps3 hardware: Balancing Matchmaking Red-line mechanics Phantom firing weapons server stability FW mechanics PC mechanics in-game markets player to player trading PvE Content production Shooting Mechanics Flight/driving Physics Buggy Terrain introduction of new and interesting bugs after every patch dust voice being garbage (at least CCP is consistent, eve voice is garbage too) Hey look, everything that is wrong with the game. These are all mistakes coming from shoddy programming, not from lack of power. Oh but I forgot... PC will fix this.... (god some of you just know nothing) 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
DUST Fiend The Wings of Legion 14030	Posted - 2014.05.05 06:58:00 - [2] - Quote LONG LIVE LEGION!
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8334	Posted - 2014.05.05 07:02:00 - [3] - Quote Say what you like to say, but the PS3 is just as dead as Dust is. It's just no longer a practical platform for realizing the Eve universe Dust tried to aim for. Also: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=160757&find=unread http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a568488/dust-514-sees-no-planned-updates-scraps-survival-mode-and-vita-app.html#
Ceadda Sai Legions of Infinite Dominion Zero-Day 24	Posted - 2014.05.05 07:02:00 - [4] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: Problems not related to Ps3 hardware: Balancing Matchmaking Red-line mechanics Phantom firing weapons server stability FW mechanics PC mechanics in-game markets player to player trading PvE Content production Shooting Mechanics Flight/driving Physics Buggy Terrain introduction of new and interesting bugs after every patch dust voice being garbage (at least CCP is consistent, eve voice is garbage too) Hey look, everything that is wrong with the game. These are all mistakes coming from shoddy programming, not from lack of power. Oh but I forgot... PC will fix this.... (god some of you just know nothing) + Same team of devs. I don't know what the executive director has envisioned, but I do hope they do more than simple just port old ideas and codes into Legion. Forge Gunners: Now this is a gun for going out and and making people miserable with.
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 820	Posted - 2014.05.05 07:05:00 - [5] - Quote Having watched their "dust 514" presentations and from probably more play time then all their devs combined I can say they do not truly grasp where they went wrong and are looking to mess up all over again. Ironically many in this community could explain to them their mistakes if they would only listen. ...
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 137	Posted - 2014.05.05 08:12:00 - [6] - Quote Ares 514 wrote: Having watched their "dust 514" presentations and from probably more play time then all their devs combined I can say they do not truly grasp where they went wrong and are looking to mess up all over again. Ironically many in this community could explain to them their mistakes if they would only listen. I agree, unfortunately equally many from this community think that the dust code will be better on PC because MAGIC PC MAN. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 840	Posted - 2014.05.05 08:25:00 - [7] - Quote Ares 514 wrote: Having watched their "dust 514" presentations and from probably more play time then all their devs combined I can say they do not truly grasp where they went wrong and are looking to mess up all over again. Ironically many in this community could explain to them their mistakes if they would only listen. Doesn't appear that they have yet. And why are PC gamers so determined to explain the deficiencies of the PS3? Most if not all of the console gamers new that the PS3 was a dead end we were hoping that the CCP would make a move to the PS4 which is substantially more powerful and flexible. Yes PC's can be far more powerful, if you are willing to pay for it, and continue to pay for upgrades for evermore. Off topic - Why are the legion fans assuming that it will be free to play with micro transactions funding the game. I am not sure how successful that has been in Dust. You may find that Legion may be subscription based or some other form of revenue stream involved. You do not have to be crazy to play here but we are willing to train you.
Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 146	Posted - 2014.05.05 08:31:00 - [8] - Quote On PC you can release patches as quickly as you can make and test them. On console you have to submit every little thing to Sony and let their QA sort it out before proceeding. With PC, problems could be hotfixed in days, rather than weeks. Stabby-stabber extraordinaire
Joseph Ridgeson warravens Final Resolution. 1614	Posted - 2014.05.05 08:39:00 - [9] - Quote I agree. The problems were not with the PS3 themselves but the fact that I honestly don't think CCP wanted to do anything on the PS3. It is cute and cool to say "we are the first to link a PC game and a console game!" but then you actually have to do it. I don't think CCP wanted to really. This is just based on the fact that Legion had half the developers working on a separate PC game in secret. No one can play DUST and say that it is optimized in anyway. Try this. Turn your PS3 on to another game and leave the room for 20 minutes. Come back and see no problem. Do that with DUST and your machine will be stuttering and running like a toaster. Would CCP have been better off not wanting to innovate for the sake of innovating and just had DUST on the PC from the beginning? Yes. The problem is that this pregnancy was allowed to go full term. If they were planning on killing the PS3 version of DUST, they probably shouldn't have waited until it was in a crib.
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 144	Posted - 2014.05.05 08:41:00 - [10] - Quote Pseudogenesis wrote: On PC you can release patches as quickly as you can make and test them. On console you have to submit every little thing to Sony and let their QA sort it out before proceeding. With PC, problems could be hotfixed in days, rather than weeks. LOL, you do realize that a ton of minor things... like the HMG and commando HP change, can be done without going through sony right? You know why they can do this.. it is because those are server side adjustments that do not require a patch. Also, CCP has proven that they need someone to check their code before they deploy, or have you forgotten about boot.ini, melting motherboards, bricking Ps3s and whatnot? Also the patching process was never the problem in Dust development, it was the shoddy code written by CCP. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!

Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 585	Posted - 2014.05.05 08:46:00 - [11] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: Problems not related to Ps3 hardware: Balancing Matchmaking Red-line mechanics Phantom firing weapons server stability FW mechanics PC mechanics in-game markets player to player trading PvE Content production Shooting Mechanics Flight/driving Physics Buggy Terrain introduction of new and interesting bugs after every patch dust voice being garbage (at least CCP is consistent, eve voice is garbage too) Hey look, everything that is wrong with the game. These are all mistakes coming from shoddy programming, not from lack of power. Oh but I forgot... PC will fix this.... (god some of you just know nothing) You forgot to mention code that is so messed up the entire console freezes. That does seem to be corrected now though, last couple times i played for multiple hours it did not freeze. Where before it would freeze at least every hour.
Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 585	Posted - 2014.05.05 08:49:00 - [12] - Quote Pseudogenesis wrote: On PC you can release patches as quickly as you can make and test them. On console you have to submit every little thing to Sony and let their QA sort it out before proceeding. With PC, problems could be hotfixed in days, rather than weeks. Honestly with how bad CCP programs they really should hire an outside firm to check their code before releasing. I am betting that when legion comes out that there will be multiple times where ccp releases a patch that bugers the whole pc.
Cosgar 9264	Posted - 2014.05.05 08:51:00 - [13] - Quote Thurak1 wrote: Pseudogenesis wrote: On PC you can release patches as quickly as you can make and test them. On console you have to submit every little thing to Sony and let their QA sort it out before proceeding. With PC, problems could be hotfixed in days, rather than weeks. Honestly with how bad CCP programs they really should hire an outside firm to check their code before releasing. I am betting that when legion comes out that there will be multiple times where ccp releases a patch that bugers the whole pc. Ask any EVE player that's been around since launch how suspect their coding is. Call 1-800-345-SONY, press 2, then 2 again to get your money back if you bought AUR in the past 90 days.
Shion Typhon Intara Direct Action Caldari State 621	Posted - 2014.05.05 09:34:00 - [14] - Quote Pseudogenesis wrote: On PC you can release patches as quickly as you can make and test them. On console you have to submit every little thing to Sony and let their QA sort it out before proceeding. With PC, problems could be hotfixed in days, rather than weeks. Stupid design decisions can't be hot fixed because the devs responsible for them are still, well, stupid.
Kelestia Colvolian DUST'S Rouge Wedding 102	Posted - 2014.05.05 09:47:00 - [15] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: I agree. The problems were not with the PS3 themselves but the fact that I honestly don't think CCP wanted to do anything on the PS3. It is cute and cool to say "we are the first to link a PC game and a console game!" but then you actually have to do it. I don't think CCP wanted to really. This is just based on the fact that Legion had half the developers working on a separate PC game in secret. No one can play DUST and say that it is optimized in anyway. Try this. Turn your PS3 on to another game and leave the room for 20 minutes. Come back and see no problem. Do that with DUST and your machine will be stuttering and running like a toaster. Would CCP have been better off not wanting to innovate for the sake of innovating and just had DUST on the PC from the beginning? Yes. The problem is that this pregnancy was allowed to go full term. If they were planning on killing the PS3 version of DUST, they probably shouldn't have waited until it was in a crib. I also think they didn't really understand the implications of linking the huge and complex economy of EVE to the comparatively tiny one of DUST. That's why, even after two years, there's no (official) way to transfer ISK or assets from EVE to DUST. Because if there was, even with massive tax rates, anyone with even a moderately successful EVE character could make it so that grinding money in DUST was pointless. I mean in EVE, I can easily earn 50 million ISK in an hour. In DUST, I've been grinding for months, and only have about 25 million ISK. And I don't see how that is going to be any different in Legion (or even Valkyrie). Whether Legion is successful as a FPS or not, is moot. But I'm willing to bet, even at this stage, that the EVE-Legion interactions will be just as trivial as they are with DUST.
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 135	Posted - 2014.05.05 09:57:00 - [16] - Quote Pseudogenesis wrote: On PC you can release patches as quickly as you can make and test them. On console you have to submit every little thing to Sony and let their QA sort it out before proceeding. With PC, problems could be hotfixed in days, rather than weeks. And DUST514 has definitely been suffering from the effects of too much quality assurance. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
Jastaddd Death seeker NegativeKDR 10	Posted - 2014.05.05 10:00:00 - [17] - Quote Like someone on this forum said, PS3 was not (the only) the problem, cheap chinese work is
Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 1091	Posted - 2014.05.05 10:19:00 - [18] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: Problems not related to Ps3 hardware: Balancing Matchmaking Red-line mechanics Phantom firing weapons server stability FW mechanics PC mechanics in-game markets player to player trading PvE Content production Shooting Mechanics Flight/driving Physics Buggy Terrain introduction of new and interesting bugs after every patch dust voice being garbage (at least CCP is consistent, eve voice is garbage too) Hey look, everything that is wrong with the game. These are all mistakes coming from shoddy programming, not from lack of power. Oh but I forgot... PC will fix this.... (god some of you just know nothing) Great point, in fact the bugs will be much worse on pc as there is no common architecture. Even the best PC developer in the world always lets some bugs through simply because they can only test and optimize a tiny proportion of hardware /OS combinations. Ive never played a pc game that hasnt crashed, chugged far more than it should for my build (think of ps2 if you have the 'wrong' cpu brand), etc. For all its strengths (the unlimited power, kb/m, etc) this is just a fact of life with PC. So buggy as dust ps3 is, the bugs will be multipled on pc
Daddrobit Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 677	Posted - 2014.05.05 10:21:00 - [19] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: Problems not related to Ps3 hardware: Matchmaking in-game markets player to player trading PvE Content production Well actually, these items on the list -are- PS3 related as they stated in the Q&A section of one of the presentations. However, many of the core mechanics and design concepts may very well be attributed to the company's development standards. Also I actually am quite fine with the voice comms capabilities in Dust, have you played other games with voice support? Take GTA5 Online, one of the biggest releases in the gaming industry in the past few years and it's voice quality is utter crap. #SaveTheBreach
Warbot Titan X Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 56	Posted - 2014.05.05 10:27:00 - [20] - Quote The devs better start a brand spankin new fresh coding or else we are going to get the same garbage. My scout trousers commands me!

Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 1093	Posted - 2014.05.05 10:50:00 - [21] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Say what you like to say, but the PS3 is just as dead as Dust is. It's just no longer a practical platform for realizing the Eve universe Dust tried to aim for. Also: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=160757&find=unread The op's point is that dust pc (legion) will fail for the same reasons that dust ps3 did. So they are taking your supposed counterpoint (dust on ps3 is dead) as their starting point.
Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 148	Posted - 2014.05.05 11:18:00 - [22] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: Pseudogenesis wrote: On PC you can release patches as quickly as you can make and test them. On console you have to submit every little thing to Sony and let their QA sort it out before proceeding. With PC, problems could be hotfixed in days, rather than weeks. LOL, you do realize that a ton of minor things... like the HMG and commando HP change, can be done without going through sony right?. I'm not talking about minor things. Why do you think the forge gun bug took like a month to get fixed? Stabby-stabber extraordinaire
TechMechMeds KLEENEX INC. 3242	Posted - 2014.05.05 11:21:00 - [23] - Quote On the contrary. If the ps3 was worth developing a decent game on then I'm sure we'd have all that lol. Well that was fun
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 7902	Posted - 2014.05.05 11:39:00 - [24] - Quote Pseudogenesis wrote: I'm not talking about minor things. Why do you think the forge gun bug took like a month to get fixed? Because they couldn't find it? The FG bug was hotfixed. inb4 The Lock!
Shion Typhon Intara Direct Action Caldari State 623	Posted - 2014.05.05 11:45:00 - [25] - Quote This is why I laugh at all the fools clamouring for character transfers. The biggest thing that was wrong with Dust was its idiot progression system that puts new players at such a massive disadvantage to any vets. So either CCP is going to get a clue and fix this and the fanboys clutching at their SP life raft are going to $hit napalm, OR, CCP are going to go jelly-spine and design these same stupidities into Legion thereby causing it to be an abject failure again. Lose-lose all round yo.
KatanaPT Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 757	Posted - 2014.05.05 11:45:00 - [26] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Say what you like to say, but the PS3 is just as dead as Dust is. It's just no longer a practical platform for realizing the Eve universe Dust tried to aim for. Also: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=160757&find=unread recent ones like Bioshock Infinite (such wow) or Tomb Raider, to upcoming Destiny, Wolfensteins New Order, WatchDogs, Ace Combat Infinity (F2p), Tales of Xilia, to name a few, would disagree with you. The console has 2 years at least in its cycle. Tech Guard Recruiting Video
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 7902	Posted - 2014.05.05 11:47:00 - [27] - Quote Shion Typhon wrote: This is why I laugh at all the fools clamouring for character transfers. The biggest thing that was wrong with Dust was its idiot progression system that puts new players at such a massive disadvantage to any vets. So either CCP is going to get a clue and fix this and the fanboys clutching at their SP life raft are going to $hit napalm, OR, CCP are going to go jelly-spine and design these same stupidities into Legion thereby causing it to be an abject failure again. Lose-lose all round yo. Hmm.. "Clutch"... "Yo".. Is this Zatara? inb4 The Lock!
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 9441	Posted - 2014.05.05 11:48:00 - [28] - Quote While I don't feel like arguing right now, I can safely say that CCP does not have the expertise to squeeze the ever living crap out of the PS3 to get some of these features here. CCP IS pushing the PS3 to the max - They max they can achieve. Seriously my PS3's fans ROAR when I play DUST, where as even GTA V takes a while to start doing that. -
Shion Typhon Intara Direct Action Caldari State 623	Posted - 2014.05.05 11:50:00 - [29] - Quote Atiim wrote: Shion Typhon wrote: This is why I laugh at all the fools clamouring for character transfers. The biggest thing that was wrong with Dust was its idiot progression system that puts new players at such a massive disadvantage to any vets. So either CCP is going to get a clue and fix this and the fanboys clutching at their SP life raft are going to $hit napalm, OR, CCP are going to go jelly-spine and design these same stupidities into Legion thereby causing it to be an abject failure again. Lose-lose all round yo. Hmm.. "Clutch"... "Yo".. Is this Zatara? Errr? No?
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 329	Posted - 2014.05.10 19:45:00 - [30] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: While I don't feel like arguing right now, I can safely say that CCP does not have the expertise to squeeze the ever living crap out of the PS3 to get some of these features here. CCP IS pushing the PS3 to the max - The max they can achieve. Seriously my PS3's fans ROAR when I play DUST, where as even GTA V takes a while to start doing that. Top development houses took years to understand how to work with the PS3, and by the time CCP manages to do that, the PS3 will already be obselete. Sony has bent over backwards to help CCP, they even allowed CCP to break rules that they have about PSN. At this point in the life of the PS3 the middleware tools are outstanding. The problem is simply put, cheap chinese labor. Zipper was not a large studio, and by no means was it Sony's A-listers. As stated by the devs, they heartily modified just about every part of the UE3 engine, and they did this with the absolute cheapest labor they could find in china. No, CCP is running un-optimized code on the PS3 because at heart they are PC programmering company , and as such are just horrible coders. (want proof, go look at how many times CCP has had to re-write eve's base code. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!

Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 14867	Posted - 2014.05.10 20:18:00 - [31] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: Sony has bent over backwards to help CCP, they even allowed CCP to break rules that they have about PSN. At this point in the life of the PS3 the middleware tools are outstanding. The problem is simply put, cheap chinese labor. Zipper was not a large studio, and by no means was it Sony's A-listers. As stated by the devs, they heartily modified just about every part of the UE3 engine, and they did this with the absolute cheapest labor they could find in china. No, CCP is running un-optimized code on the PS3 because at heart they are PC programmering company , and as such are just horrible coders. (want proof, go look at how many times CCP has had to re-write eve's base code. Break? More like re-write (bending over backwards is correct in this assessment) and experiment on the ground that Sony has a desire for a MMO Console environment. Something MS is going to be behind on this go around. Because of that even warframe still has to deal with the same rules that sony has conceded on so far; their updates are a month behind from the pc version; bug fixes addressing serious bugs can take up to a month to see adress. And there is STILL performance issues on the PS4; a powerhouse of a machine unable to run warframe as smoothly as my computer. Based on analysis 2015 is not going to be a terrible year to put out a purebreed ps3 game. You'll end up like the well unknown shooter Black at that point. PS4 adoption rate is phenomenal surpassing ps3 and all other console hallmarks. Remember how fast the original xbox died? PS3 is on the track for the quick death. Xbox360 and wii u is going to be the slow to die platform this go around. The fact there is cross games now instead of exclusive games for either or spells doom already. Zipper is dead; even their post death game didn't get funding. Also I have never enjoyed a socom game ever; there was something formulaically wrong with every title they had to the point it was off putting. Majority of the Shanghai team responsible for dust 514 are not the locals. Also any fool thinking that console developers are not PC software developers before are total idiots. That's like citing ignorance over the fact that majority of jrpg story writers didn't start off as jdating sim writers. Everything has history and there are just so many blemishes people want to forget so quickly. Take Zipper for example; go play a socom on the game cube and be appauled. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 343	Posted - 2014.05.10 20:34:00 - [32] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Sony has bent over backwards to help CCP, they even allowed CCP to break rules that they have about PSN. At this point in the life of the PS3 the middleware tools are outstanding. The problem is simply put, cheap chinese labor. Zipper was not a large studio, and by no means was it Sony's A-listers. As stated by the devs, they heartily modified just about every part of the UE3 engine, and they did this with the absolute cheapest labor they could find in china. No, CCP is running un-optimized code on the PS3 because at heart they are PC programmering company , and as such are just horrible coders. (want proof, go look at how many times CCP has had to re-write eve's base code. Break? More like re-write (bending over backwards is correct in this assessment) and experiment on the ground that Sony has a desire for a MMO Console environment. Something MS is going to be behind on this go around. Because of that even warframe still has to deal with the same rules that sony has conceded on so far; their updates are a month behind from the pc version; bug fixes addressing serious bugs can take up to a month to see adress. And there is STILL performance issues on the PS4; a powerhouse of a machine unable to run warframe as smoothly as my computer. Based on analysis 2015 is not going to be a terrible year to put out a purebreed ps3 game. You'll end up like the well unknown shooter Black at that point. PS4 adoption rate is phenomenal surpassing ps3 and all other console hallmarks. Remember how fast the original xbox died? PS3 is on the track for the quick death. Xbox360 and wii u is going to be the slow to die platform this go around. The fact there is cross games now instead of exclusive games for either or spells doom already. Zipper is dead; even their post death game didn't get funding. Also I have never enjoyed a socom game ever; there was something formulaically wrong with every title they had to the point it was off putting. Majority of the Shanghai team responsible for dust 514 are not the locals. Also any fool thinking that console developers are not PC software developers before are total idiots. That's like citing ignorance over the fact that majority of jrpg story writers didn't start off as jdating sim writers. Everything has history and there are just so many blemishes people want to forget so quickly. Take Zipper for example; go play a socom on the game cube and be appauled. LOL, look at how lfull of crap you are: Warframe has been out on the PC for no less than 8 extra months, and it was not in good shape when it first came out to PC. There is no wonder why it would run better, they have had an extra 8 months of bug fixes. I'll let you in on a little secret, Sony's Q&A procedure for testing code is to protect you, the end user. On top of that, way to be completely disengenous. Due to how Sony lets CCP operate, CCP can deploy server side hotfixes whenever they like (as seen with the HMG fix). Sure when CCP wants to deploy code to Sony's platform, sony of course wants to check. Did you forget how CCP has a history of breaking hardware with their code? Sony cannot afford that, and CCP is notorious for it. Anyway, balancing patches could be deployed at any time directly to the server, there is no excuse to wait on that. You act like you know what is going on with the PS3, and that is is even comparable to the XBOX... Did you know that PS2 sold over 50 million more consoles AFTER sony had moved on to the PS3? I am not saying that is what is going to happen, but I am saying that the PS3 is no XBOX(dead-last place last gen, MS console), having outsold the XBOX360 worldwide. Sony does not have a history of just dumping a product and running away (lol, CCP does now) If you want to write code for a console, you have to write optimize code. It is historical precedent that PC developers write horribly un-optimized code. Of course all code monkeys know how to write code for PC, it is just that you can't run sh-t code on a console and be competitive. Zipper Interactive didn't make a gamecube game, but of course why would I expect you to talk about anything you know something about... you do not dissapoint IWS, always full of crap. You know, I don;t think you ever even played Socom, due to the fact that you think Zipper made one on gamecube. Way to lie to try to make a point IWS, classic IWS. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Jastaddd Death seeker NegativeKDR 66	Posted - 2014.05.10 20:41:00 - [33] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: If you want to write code for a console, you have to write optimize code. It is historical precedent that PC developers write horribly un-optimized code. Yeah, i know that 'cause on my work. Every ******* release of the Adobe Photoshop or Lightroom CS suit is worse than it's predecessor performance wise. Simply because since there are more powerful PC they tend to "forget" to Optimazie it. Meanwhile my Capture one PRO 7 run smooth as OIL.
THE 2000 SWINE Commando Perkone Caldari State 53	Posted - 2014.05.10 20:44:00 - [34] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: LONG LIVE LEGION! HA If CCP gave a ratsass or if they weren't fuktarded they would fix match making immediately. 100% effort and resources to fix anything that would increase player base-what did they do? LAVA WTF! They are either ******** or their goals are so spun up that you'd need a degree in stupidology to recognise their growth model. Last I read from CCP Kick a ginger, was matchmaking was a "i don't know when"
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2976	Posted - 2014.05.10 20:49:00 - [35] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Sony has bent over backwards to help CCP, they even allowed CCP to break rules that they have about PSN. At this point in the life of the PS3 the middleware tools are outstanding. The problem is simply put, cheap chinese labor. Zipper was not a large studio, and by no means was it Sony's A-listers. As stated by the devs, they heartily modified just about every part of the UE3 engine, and they did this with the absolute cheapest labor they could find in china. No, CCP is running un-optimized code on the PS3 because at heart they are PC programmering company , and as such are just horrible coders. (want proof, go look at how many times CCP has had to re-write eve's base code. Break? More like re-write (bending over backwards is correct in this assessment) and experiment on the ground that Sony has a desire for a MMO Console environment. Something MS is going to be behind on this go around. Because of that even warframe still has to deal with the same rules that sony has conceded on so far; their updates are a month behind from the pc version; bug fixes addressing serious bugs can take up to a month to see adress. And there is STILL performance issues on the PS4; a powerhouse of a machine unable to run warframe as smoothly as my computer. Based on analysis 2015 is not going to be a terrible year to put out a purebreed ps3 game. You'll end up like the well unknown shooter Black at that point. PS4 adoption rate is phenomenal surpassing ps3 and all other console hallmarks. Remember how fast the original xbox died? PS3 is on the track for the quick death. Xbox360 and wii u is going to be the slow to die platform this go around. The fact there is cross games now instead of exclusive games for either or spells doom already. Zipper is dead; even their post death game didn't get funding. Also I have never enjoyed a socom game ever; there was something formulaically wrong with every title they had to the point it was off putting. Majority of the Shanghai team responsible for dust 514 are not the locals. Also any fool thinking that console developers are not PC software developers before are total idiots. That's like citing ignorance over the fact that majority of jrpg story writers didn't start off as jdating sim writers. Everything has history and there are just so many blemishes people want to forget so quickly. Take Zipper for example; go play a socom on the game cube and be appauled. Whats it like being wrong so often? Im genuinely curious and not trying to rile you up but I just wonder what its like going through life saying a bunch of things that fly in the face of common sense like how all JRPG writers wrote VN games first when I can give a huge list of guys whose first games werent VNs
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 866	Posted - 2014.05.10 21:00:00 - [36] - Quote Personally I think matchmaking ultimately killed the game. If you stand no chance at of winning or even face a close match, be able to kill well anything for days, weeks and months on end then most people just move on. There were plenty of good and bad points to Dust but at its heart we needed good matchmaking to make the majority of the battles close and especially "fun". Public Relations - tick tick BOOM. PSN: CallOfTheDark
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2978	Posted - 2014.05.10 21:10:00 - [37] - Quote A'Real Fury wrote: Personally I think matchmaking ultimately killed the game. If you stand no chance at of winning or even face a close match, be able to kill well anything for days, weeks and months on end then most people just move on. There were plenty of good and bad points to Dust but at its heart we needed good matchmaking to make the majority of the battles close and especially "fun". It wasnt the matchmaking, not really It was the **** idea of having absolutely everything in tiers If all the suits and weapons were the same level and only the modules keeping the tiers you would see a better balanced game that still had some progression and a bit of an advantage from SP instead of this whole "Hey Ive got a gun that does more damage and twice the health you have" BS that ruined the NPE
TEXA5 HiTM4N Rogue Spades 573	Posted - 2014.05.10 21:30:00 - [38] - Quote don't bother, mary. i made a similar post and people just kept telling me to go make a game.
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 102	Posted - 2014.05.10 21:30:00 - [39] - Quote A'Real Fury wrote: Ares 514 wrote: Having watched their "dust 514" presentations and from probably more play time then all their devs combined I can say they do not truly grasp where they went wrong and are looking to mess up all over again. Ironically many in this community could explain to them their mistakes if they would only listen. Doesn't appear that they have yet. And why are PC gamers so determined to explain the deficiencies of the PS3? Most if not all of the console gamers new that the PS3 was a dead end we were hoping that the CCP would make a move to the PS4 which is substantially more powerful and flexible. Yes PC's can be far more powerful, if you are willing to pay for it, and continue to pay for upgrades for evermore. Off topic - Why are the legion fans assuming that it will be free to play with micro transactions funding the game. I am not sure how successful that has been in Dust. You may find that Legion may be subscription based or some other form of revenue stream involved. You dont need to continue spending on upgrades, unless you want upgraded graphics. Else, its just as a console, frozen in time. And they said already it will be F2P. Theres really no other way to them to launch Legion and it be successful.
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2074	Posted - 2014.05.10 21:48:00 - [40] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: Problems not related to Ps3 hardware: Balancing Matchmaking Red-line mechanics Phantom firing weapons server stability FW mechanics PC mechanics in-game markets player to player trading PvE Content production Shooting Mechanics Flight/driving Physics Buggy Terrain introduction of new and interesting bugs after every patch dust voice being garbage (at least CCP is consistent, eve voice is garbage too) Hey look, everything that is wrong with the game. These are all mistakes coming from shoddy programming, not from lack of power. Oh but I forgot... PC will fix this.... (god some of you just know nothing) Agreed. Have not seen any evidence to the contrary. PSN: RationalSpark



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