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Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 14867	Posted - 2014.05.10 20:18:00 - [31] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: Sony has bent over backwards to help CCP, they even allowed CCP to break rules that they have about PSN. At this point in the life of the PS3 the middleware tools are outstanding. The problem is simply put, cheap chinese labor. Zipper was not a large studio, and by no means was it Sony's A-listers. As stated by the devs, they heartily modified just about every part of the UE3 engine, and they did this with the absolute cheapest labor they could find in china. No, CCP is running un-optimized code on the PS3 because at heart they are PC programmering company , and as such are just horrible coders. (want proof, go look at how many times CCP has had to re-write eve's base code. Break? More like re-write (bending over backwards is correct in this assessment) and experiment on the ground that Sony has a desire for a MMO Console environment. Something MS is going to be behind on this go around. Because of that even warframe still has to deal with the same rules that sony has conceded on so far; their updates are a month behind from the pc version; bug fixes addressing serious bugs can take up to a month to see adress. And there is STILL performance issues on the PS4; a powerhouse of a machine unable to run warframe as smoothly as my computer. Based on analysis 2015 is not going to be a terrible year to put out a purebreed ps3 game. You'll end up like the well unknown shooter Black at that point. PS4 adoption rate is phenomenal surpassing ps3 and all other console hallmarks. Remember how fast the original xbox died? PS3 is on the track for the quick death. Xbox360 and wii u is going to be the slow to die platform this go around. The fact there is cross games now instead of exclusive games for either or spells doom already. Zipper is dead; even their post death game didn't get funding. Also I have never enjoyed a socom game ever; there was something formulaically wrong with every title they had to the point it was off putting. Majority of the Shanghai team responsible for dust 514 are not the locals. Also any fool thinking that console developers are not PC software developers before are total idiots. That's like citing ignorance over the fact that majority of jrpg story writers didn't start off as jdating sim writers. Everything has history and there are just so many blemishes people want to forget so quickly. Take Zipper for example; go play a socom on the game cube and be appauled. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 343	Posted - 2014.05.10 20:34:00 - [32] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Sony has bent over backwards to help CCP, they even allowed CCP to break rules that they have about PSN. At this point in the life of the PS3 the middleware tools are outstanding. The problem is simply put, cheap chinese labor. Zipper was not a large studio, and by no means was it Sony's A-listers. As stated by the devs, they heartily modified just about every part of the UE3 engine, and they did this with the absolute cheapest labor they could find in china. No, CCP is running un-optimized code on the PS3 because at heart they are PC programmering company , and as such are just horrible coders. (want proof, go look at how many times CCP has had to re-write eve's base code. Break? More like re-write (bending over backwards is correct in this assessment) and experiment on the ground that Sony has a desire for a MMO Console environment. Something MS is going to be behind on this go around. Because of that even warframe still has to deal with the same rules that sony has conceded on so far; their updates are a month behind from the pc version; bug fixes addressing serious bugs can take up to a month to see adress. And there is STILL performance issues on the PS4; a powerhouse of a machine unable to run warframe as smoothly as my computer. Based on analysis 2015 is not going to be a terrible year to put out a purebreed ps3 game. You'll end up like the well unknown shooter Black at that point. PS4 adoption rate is phenomenal surpassing ps3 and all other console hallmarks. Remember how fast the original xbox died? PS3 is on the track for the quick death. Xbox360 and wii u is going to be the slow to die platform this go around. The fact there is cross games now instead of exclusive games for either or spells doom already. Zipper is dead; even their post death game didn't get funding. Also I have never enjoyed a socom game ever; there was something formulaically wrong with every title they had to the point it was off putting. Majority of the Shanghai team responsible for dust 514 are not the locals. Also any fool thinking that console developers are not PC software developers before are total idiots. That's like citing ignorance over the fact that majority of jrpg story writers didn't start off as jdating sim writers. Everything has history and there are just so many blemishes people want to forget so quickly. Take Zipper for example; go play a socom on the game cube and be appauled. LOL, look at how lfull of crap you are: Warframe has been out on the PC for no less than 8 extra months, and it was not in good shape when it first came out to PC. There is no wonder why it would run better, they have had an extra 8 months of bug fixes. I'll let you in on a little secret, Sony's Q&A procedure for testing code is to protect you, the end user. On top of that, way to be completely disengenous. Due to how Sony lets CCP operate, CCP can deploy server side hotfixes whenever they like (as seen with the HMG fix). Sure when CCP wants to deploy code to Sony's platform, sony of course wants to check. Did you forget how CCP has a history of breaking hardware with their code? Sony cannot afford that, and CCP is notorious for it. Anyway, balancing patches could be deployed at any time directly to the server, there is no excuse to wait on that. You act like you know what is going on with the PS3, and that is is even comparable to the XBOX... Did you know that PS2 sold over 50 million more consoles AFTER sony had moved on to the PS3? I am not saying that is what is going to happen, but I am saying that the PS3 is no XBOX(dead-last place last gen, MS console), having outsold the XBOX360 worldwide. Sony does not have a history of just dumping a product and running away (lol, CCP does now) If you want to write code for a console, you have to write optimize code. It is historical precedent that PC developers write horribly un-optimized code. Of course all code monkeys know how to write code for PC, it is just that you can't run sh-t code on a console and be competitive. Zipper Interactive didn't make a gamecube game, but of course why would I expect you to talk about anything you know something about... you do not dissapoint IWS, always full of crap. You know, I don;t think you ever even played Socom, due to the fact that you think Zipper made one on gamecube. Way to lie to try to make a point IWS, classic IWS. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Jastaddd Death seeker NegativeKDR 66	Posted - 2014.05.10 20:41:00 - [33] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: If you want to write code for a console, you have to write optimize code. It is historical precedent that PC developers write horribly un-optimized code. Yeah, i know that 'cause on my work. Every ******* release of the Adobe Photoshop or Lightroom CS suit is worse than it's predecessor performance wise. Simply because since there are more powerful PC they tend to "forget" to Optimazie it. Meanwhile my Capture one PRO 7 run smooth as OIL.
THE 2000 SWINE Commando Perkone Caldari State 53	Posted - 2014.05.10 20:44:00 - [34] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: LONG LIVE LEGION! HA If CCP gave a ratsass or if they weren't fuktarded they would fix match making immediately. 100% effort and resources to fix anything that would increase player base-what did they do? LAVA WTF! They are either ******** or their goals are so spun up that you'd need a degree in stupidology to recognise their growth model. Last I read from CCP Kick a ginger, was matchmaking was a "i don't know when"
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2976	Posted - 2014.05.10 20:49:00 - [35] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Sony has bent over backwards to help CCP, they even allowed CCP to break rules that they have about PSN. At this point in the life of the PS3 the middleware tools are outstanding. The problem is simply put, cheap chinese labor. Zipper was not a large studio, and by no means was it Sony's A-listers. As stated by the devs, they heartily modified just about every part of the UE3 engine, and they did this with the absolute cheapest labor they could find in china. No, CCP is running un-optimized code on the PS3 because at heart they are PC programmering company , and as such are just horrible coders. (want proof, go look at how many times CCP has had to re-write eve's base code. Break? More like re-write (bending over backwards is correct in this assessment) and experiment on the ground that Sony has a desire for a MMO Console environment. Something MS is going to be behind on this go around. Because of that even warframe still has to deal with the same rules that sony has conceded on so far; their updates are a month behind from the pc version; bug fixes addressing serious bugs can take up to a month to see adress. And there is STILL performance issues on the PS4; a powerhouse of a machine unable to run warframe as smoothly as my computer. Based on analysis 2015 is not going to be a terrible year to put out a purebreed ps3 game. You'll end up like the well unknown shooter Black at that point. PS4 adoption rate is phenomenal surpassing ps3 and all other console hallmarks. Remember how fast the original xbox died? PS3 is on the track for the quick death. Xbox360 and wii u is going to be the slow to die platform this go around. The fact there is cross games now instead of exclusive games for either or spells doom already. Zipper is dead; even their post death game didn't get funding. Also I have never enjoyed a socom game ever; there was something formulaically wrong with every title they had to the point it was off putting. Majority of the Shanghai team responsible for dust 514 are not the locals. Also any fool thinking that console developers are not PC software developers before are total idiots. That's like citing ignorance over the fact that majority of jrpg story writers didn't start off as jdating sim writers. Everything has history and there are just so many blemishes people want to forget so quickly. Take Zipper for example; go play a socom on the game cube and be appauled. Whats it like being wrong so often? Im genuinely curious and not trying to rile you up but I just wonder what its like going through life saying a bunch of things that fly in the face of common sense like how all JRPG writers wrote VN games first when I can give a huge list of guys whose first games werent VNs
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 866	Posted - 2014.05.10 21:00:00 - [36] - Quote Personally I think matchmaking ultimately killed the game. If you stand no chance at of winning or even face a close match, be able to kill well anything for days, weeks and months on end then most people just move on. There were plenty of good and bad points to Dust but at its heart we needed good matchmaking to make the majority of the battles close and especially "fun". Public Relations - tick tick BOOM. PSN: CallOfTheDark
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2978	Posted - 2014.05.10 21:10:00 - [37] - Quote A'Real Fury wrote: Personally I think matchmaking ultimately killed the game. If you stand no chance at of winning or even face a close match, be able to kill well anything for days, weeks and months on end then most people just move on. There were plenty of good and bad points to Dust but at its heart we needed good matchmaking to make the majority of the battles close and especially "fun". It wasnt the matchmaking, not really It was the **** idea of having absolutely everything in tiers If all the suits and weapons were the same level and only the modules keeping the tiers you would see a better balanced game that still had some progression and a bit of an advantage from SP instead of this whole "Hey Ive got a gun that does more damage and twice the health you have" BS that ruined the NPE
TEXA5 HiTM4N Rogue Spades 573	Posted - 2014.05.10 21:30:00 - [38] - Quote don't bother, mary. i made a similar post and people just kept telling me to go make a game.
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 102	Posted - 2014.05.10 21:30:00 - [39] - Quote A'Real Fury wrote: Ares 514 wrote: Having watched their "dust 514" presentations and from probably more play time then all their devs combined I can say they do not truly grasp where they went wrong and are looking to mess up all over again. Ironically many in this community could explain to them their mistakes if they would only listen. Doesn't appear that they have yet. And why are PC gamers so determined to explain the deficiencies of the PS3? Most if not all of the console gamers new that the PS3 was a dead end we were hoping that the CCP would make a move to the PS4 which is substantially more powerful and flexible. Yes PC's can be far more powerful, if you are willing to pay for it, and continue to pay for upgrades for evermore. Off topic - Why are the legion fans assuming that it will be free to play with micro transactions funding the game. I am not sure how successful that has been in Dust. You may find that Legion may be subscription based or some other form of revenue stream involved. You dont need to continue spending on upgrades, unless you want upgraded graphics. Else, its just as a console, frozen in time. And they said already it will be F2P. Theres really no other way to them to launch Legion and it be successful.
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2074	Posted - 2014.05.10 21:48:00 - [40] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: Problems not related to Ps3 hardware: Balancing Matchmaking Red-line mechanics Phantom firing weapons server stability FW mechanics PC mechanics in-game markets player to player trading PvE Content production Shooting Mechanics Flight/driving Physics Buggy Terrain introduction of new and interesting bugs after every patch dust voice being garbage (at least CCP is consistent, eve voice is garbage too) Hey look, everything that is wrong with the game. These are all mistakes coming from shoddy programming, not from lack of power. Oh but I forgot... PC will fix this.... (god some of you just know nothing) Agreed. Have not seen any evidence to the contrary. PSN: RationalSpark



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