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Harold Junk
SATAN'S SECRET SOLDIERS
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Posted - 2014.05.05 06:28:00 -
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I love stories!
I guess I should have done more research on CCP before buying stuff from them. When they started doing greedy stuff with EVE, players dropped subscriptions like hot potatoes until CCP caved. I hear this and I realize how little power I have playing a F2P game of theirs.
Good thing Legion is F2P too though. Lets you know what their intentions are. |
Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
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Posted - 2014.05.05 06:31:00 -
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Harold Junk wrote:When they started doing greedy stuff with EVE, players dropped subscriptions like hot potatoes until CCP caved. You need to do better research. The cause of the Monoclegate scandal was due to a leaked memo, not anything CCP had actually done. And it wasn't just dropping subscriptions, either. Quite a few people actually resubscribed just to protest in-game.
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Jarod Garamonde Jr
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
65
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Posted - 2014.05.05 06:56:00 -
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Harold Junk wrote:I love stories!
I guess I should have done more research on CCP before buying stuff from them. When they started doing greedy stuff with EVE, players dropped subscriptions like hot potatoes until CCP caved. I hear this and I realize how little power I have playing a F2P game of theirs.
Good thing Legion is F2P too though. Lets you know what their intentions are.
Once upon a time, a bunch of overly sensitive EVE players got mad because of optional microtransaction items that gave no advantage in the game and were purely cosmetic , because they were scared that EVE was going to foster a "pay2win" environment, and a lot of blokes quit.
Others quit for better reasons... because they felt that rush-releasing an unfinished product and forcing everyone to use it (the Captain's Quarters, which was the birth of what was supposed to be this "WiS" you may have heard about) without developing any actual content, focusing more on how to properly introduce microtransactions and so-called "ambulation" than actual gameplay, and simultaneously breaking multiple relied-upon features, whilst providing no new content to speak of in a hopelessly broken patch that took months to fix.
Honestly, that was the only time I've ever been angry at CCP.... and the things they've done since then to make up for it have been stellar. This DUST thing..... yeah, they could have announced it differently. But they really thought everyone was going to be excited that the game was leaving a dead platform and moving onto a permanent home. More thought should have been put into it. Perhaps if CCP had looked back to the mid-90's and seen what happened to this little developer called Bungie, and a minor title we like to call Halo, they might have seen they were about to make a terrible mistake. But at least they did everything they could to make sure the playerbase wasn't completely screwed. They really did try.
Silly Infantrymen... CAS Requests are for Forward Observers...
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Isaa Quade
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.05 07:00:00 -
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Lets not forget they promised walking in stations social spaces but instead delivered a single room. They promised the moon and under delivered.
Gee, where have I heard that story before?
My reaction to Legion
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Mary Lilac
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.05 07:03:00 -
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A bunch of eve players started crying because their barbie doll accessories were overpriced.
Then someone got hold of a Hilmar letter saying that actions speak louder than words.
Then they started crying their butts off...
Their game was canceled or moved They lost no progress They invest no money They were not in any way lied to
1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG.
Be polite, they want to refund you!
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Jarod Garamonde Jr
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
66
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Posted - 2014.05.05 07:05:00 -
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Isaa Quade wrote:Lets not forget the promised walking in stations social spaces but instead delivered a single room. They promised the moon and under delivered.
Gee, where have I heard that story before?
I covered that, mate. It's temporarily scrapped, because of the fallout from the Summer of Rage incident I described. I was thereGäó
One day when CCP fixes all the issues with "ambulation", we'll see a fully realized version of Incarna. Until then, this Icelandic developer has a lot on their plate, and with that in mind, I'm honestly impressed with how thriving EVE really is.
Silly Infantrymen... CAS Requests are for Forward Observers...
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Jarod Garamonde Jr
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
66
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Posted - 2014.05.05 07:06:00 -
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In other words..... learn from the EVE playerbase's failure and support these guys instead of lambasting them and encouraging other players to quit and demand refunds. It's only hurting the community.
Silly Infantrymen... CAS Requests are for Forward Observers...
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Isaa Quade
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
441
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Posted - 2014.05.05 07:07:00 -
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Jarod Garamonde Jr wrote:
I covered that, mate. It's temporarily scrapped, because of the fallout from the Summer of Rage incident I described. I was thereGäó
One day when CCP fixes all the issues with "ambulation", we'll see a fully realized version of Incarna. Until then, this Icelandic developer has a lot on their plate, and with that in mind, I'm honestly impressed with how thriving EVE really is.
Its not temporarily scrapped. It's never coming out. Just like Legion.
My reaction to Legion
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Jarod Garamonde Jr
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
66
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Posted - 2014.05.05 07:07:00 -
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Isaa Quade wrote:Jarod Garamonde Jr wrote:
I covered that, mate. It's temporarily scrapped, because of the fallout from the Summer of Rage incident I described. I was thereGäó
One day when CCP fixes all the issues with "ambulation", we'll see a fully realized version of Incarna. Until then, this Icelandic developer has a lot on their plate, and with that in mind, I'm honestly impressed with how thriving EVE really is.
Its not temporarily scrapped. It's never coming out. Just like Legion.
Your crystal ball is broken, mate. Demand a refund.
Silly Infantrymen... CAS Requests are for Forward Observers...
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Mary Lilac
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.05 07:25:00 -
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Jarod Garamonde Jr wrote:In other words..... learn from the EVE playerbase's failure and support these guys instead of lambasting them and encouraging other players to quit and demand refunds. It's only hurting the community.
If you want to quit, by all means, walk away. But do so with some dignity, FFS.
Did you not pay attention to the entire event?
CCP didn't care about the jita riots, they didn't care about the forums, they only cared about the massive number of account cancellations. That is the ONLY reason they changed course, because they saw that they were on track towards loosing half a million dollars EVERY MONTH.
The lesson learned from it? Take you time/money away from CCP, and raise as much hell as you can while you do it so that others will also take their time/money away from CCP. The only thing that has motivated them to change course is money... this is historical fact.
1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG.
Be polite, they want to refund you!
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John Surratt
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.05.05 07:37:00 -
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Mary Lilac wrote:A bunch of eve players started crying because their barbie doll accessories were overpriced.
Then someone got hold of a Hilmar letter saying that actions speak louder than words.
Then they started crying their butts off...
Their game was canceled or moved They lost no progress They invest no money They were not in any way lied to
Actually, first CCP promised to never ever ever make EVE pay to win.
Then, a bunch of EVE players got pissed off that CCP introduced expensive barbie doll accessories and one single dirty room to look a them in that added no game play value instead of new in game content all while pouring money into developing a F2P game for console and a F2P vampire game. . then right when that happened the EVE players got a hold of a letter that said, "hey, maybe we could make money on selling items that gave advantage in game. . ."
Then they got pissed because the $180 a year they poured into CCP per account wasn't actually going towards their game and content. . .
Progress on content had been stalled and stuff was still broken from years before. . . Their time and investment was not being repaid. . They felt they were being lied to because CCP had promised to "never ever ever" introduce Pay to win into EVE and yet they were kicking the idea around in an internal news letter. . .
Then 10% of the player base unsubscribed and people got laid off because CCP still had to pay off the loans they took out to finance World of Darkness & DUST development.
Write up from the CSM chair who flew to Rek for the emergency summit:
http://themittani.com/content/soss-67-incarna-postmortem-6
original "Greed is Good letter is long since gone but summary of inflamatory bits is below
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=435212
Just as CCP had to disentangle itself from Incarna, they need to disentangle themselves from what is quite obviously a broken MMOFPS to try and build a good one, or at least one that does everything they want it to do.
So yeah actually, those of us who were around for that do get why DUST players are pissed, even if you don't understand what you are talking about in reference to Incarna or just want to troll.
So either quit trolling or get your facts straight. |
Harold Junk
SATAN'S SECRET SOLDIERS
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Posted - 2014.05.05 07:38:00 -
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Jarod Garamonde Jr wrote: Once upon a time, a bunch of overly sensitive EVE players got mad because of optional microtransaction items
Didn't they promise never to do that?
Quote: *garbage expansion plus garbage patch*
Oh so they do this crap a lot then? Good thing they have you to defend them.
Quote: Honestly, that was the only time I've ever been angry at CCP.... and the things they've done since then to make up for it have been stellar. This DUST thing..... yeah, they could have announced it differently. But they really thought everyone was going to be excited that the game was leaving a dead platform and moving onto a permanent home.
No that's not what they thought. They knew they would be angering a large number of players, and instead of admitting it to us soon after the decision was made, they sat on it and ran a bunch of revenue schemes to milk us stupid sheep. Then they dropped the news on us without any thought whatsover put into its delivery. We are paying customers and they are showing us every step of the way that we mean nothing to them. |
PonyClause Rex
Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.05 07:44:00 -
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Jita riots?
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Mary Lilac
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.05 08:01:00 -
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John Surratt wrote:Mary Lilac wrote:A bunch of eve players started crying because their barbie doll accessories were overpriced.
Then someone got hold of a Hilmar letter saying that actions speak louder than words.
Then they started crying their butts off...
Their game was canceled or moved They lost no progress They invest no money They were not in any way lied to
Actually, first CCP promised to never ever ever make EVE pay to win. Then, a bunch of EVE players got pissed off that CCP introduced expensive barbie doll accessories and one single dirty room to look a them in that added no game play value instead of new in game content all while pouring money into developing a F2P game for console and a F2P vampire game. . then right when that happened the EVE players got a hold of a letter that said, "hey, maybe we could make money on selling items that gave advantage in game. . ." Then they got pissed because the $180 a year they poured into CCP per account wasn't actually going towards their game and content. . . Progress on content had been stalled and stuff was still broken from years before. . . Their time and investment was not being repaid. . They felt they were being lied to because CCP had promised to "never ever ever" introduce Pay to win into EVE and yet they were kicking the idea around in an internal news letter. . . Then 10% of the player base unsubscribed and people got laid off because CCP still had to pay off the loans they took out to finance World of Darkness & DUST development. Write up from the CSM chair who flew to Rek for the emergency summit: http://themittani.com/content/soss-67-incarna-postmortem-6original "Greed is Good letter is long since gone but summary of inflamatory bits is below http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=435212Just as CCP had to disentangle itself from Incarna, they need to disentangle themselves from what is quite obviously a broken MMOFPS to try and build a good one, or at least one that does everything they want it to do. So yeah actually, those of us who were around for that do get why DUST players are pissed, even if you don't understand what you are talking about in reference to Incarna or just want to troll. So either quit trolling or get your facts straight.
So show me what part of what I said was even close to inaccurate.
Also show me how any of that even comes close to what us dust bunnies have been through?
You can act like you went through this great injustice, but it is honestly childs play next to what has just happened to dusters and to say otherwise is to lie.
1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG.
Be polite, they want to refund you!
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Jarod Garamonde Jr
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
70
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Posted - 2014.05.05 09:03:00 -
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John Surratt wrote:
Actually, first CCP promised to never ever ever make EVE pay to win.
Seriously, what part of the NEX store is pay2win? There's nothing but cosmetic items, and there never will be anything but cosmetic items. Nothing gives you an advantage other than looking cooler than the other guy.
Silly Infantrymen... CAS Requests are for Forward Observers...
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John Surratt
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
56
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Posted - 2014.05.05 09:38:00 -
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Mary Lilac wrote: So show me what part of what I said was even close to inaccurate.
Also show me how any of that even comes close to what us dust bunnies have been through?
You can act like you went through this great injustice, but it is honestly childs play next to what has just happened to dusters and to say otherwise is to lie.
You little troll.
What did you say that was inaccurate? Um, all of it. because I objectively told you exactly what happened back in '11 and because you are deliberately misrepresenting what happened, trolling with inflammatory language on an alt all of 4 days old.
Yes, you poor victim. You got a F2P game that required no additional real money to be competitive that is not going to receive any more major updates because the updates that the developers want to give and the game they want will not work in the existing framework.. Never mind the leadership changes int he Shanghai studio. . .You chose to plunk your cash in, you didn't need to pay to get access to the game, unlike a subscription player. Yeah, no one in EVE had reason to b_tch back then. . .
God forbid you be given the game that the community has been begging for on a different platform from what you want it on.
(Should have been on PC in the first day anyways, but CCP had it in their head they were going to put the EVE universe on every device in the world.)
Oh, speaking of that and just in case you hadn't noticed, the CCP Mobile division went bye bye back in April, along with the WOD team getting gone very recently. God forbid they decide to change their business plans without consulting you. Actually the signs were pretty obvious in hind sight that changes were coming to CCP's plans if one knew where to look, which a the time I didn't. I see it now.
You're p__sed off because you bought Aurum? You've claimed you got it refunded, so no problem there. You mad bro because CCP didn't sign a death pact with you on your beloved console? They are a business and have a gaming company to run.
Yeah, I am still upset about the tone deaf manner in which this whole thing was announced, in marked opposition to the opinion of the CPM and CSM, who said there was going to be bad backlash. There was going to be butthurt and backlash no matter what. I like CCP's games, but I have never accused them of being especially bright company in regards to reconciling marketing and PR.
No matter how much you cry, it's not going to change the fact CCP has decided that they made a mistake and are changing their plans. Fine, exercise your right a as customer and stop paying them, and while you are not paying them save your money for a PC or maybe, maybe a PS4, or find a new gaming community to troll using alts.
The only DUST players I feel bad for are the guys that schlepped across the Atlantic to go to Fanfest and got a Legion Keynote instead of a DUST Keynote because no one had the courage to bring the changes up sooner. I say that as someone who has bought into DUST from the beginning and bought Aurum and BPO packs. I played a free game, I gave money because I liked the service in addition to the $240 a year I give for my EVE subs, and now the ride is going to end at some point. I will get on a new free ride that I think I will like even better, from what I hear about it. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.05.05 09:50:00 -
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Harold Junk wrote:I love stories!
I guess I should have done more research on CCP before buying stuff from them. When they started doing greedy stuff with EVE, players dropped subscriptions like hot potatoes until CCP caved. I hear this and I realize how little power I have playing a F2P game of theirs.
Good thing Legion is F2P too though. Lets you know what their intentions are.
In any multiplayer game, players are content.
It doesn't matter if you pay or not, your presence is worth something to CCP, and withdrawing it will have an impact.
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John Surratt
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.05.05 09:51:00 -
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Jarod Garamonde Jr wrote:John Surratt wrote:
Actually, first CCP promised to never ever ever make EVE pay to win.
Seriously, what part of the NEX store is pay2win? There's nothing but cosmetic items, and there never will be anything but cosmetic items. Nothing gives you an advantage other than looking cooler than the other guy.
None now and I like my ships skins yes I do, but a major sticking point back then was quotes in the never bedamned enough newsletter like:
"Not all virtual purchases will focus on customization, some will simply be new items, ammunition, ships, etc. that can be purchased outright." and "One other service we're looking at is selling faction standings. We want to offer convenience"
which resulted in the following quote coming true:
"We're going to face an uphill struggle, and the reason many of us never talk about this publically is that we'd be burned at the stake by the players" |
Harold Junk
SATAN'S SECRET SOLDIERS
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Posted - 2014.05.05 10:37:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote: In any multiplayer game, players are content.
It doesn't matter if you pay or not, your presence is worth something to CCP, and withdrawing it will have an impact.
I don't think so, look at Dust right now, they milked it's players, then basically told them to eff off, now the servers are as empty as I've ever seen them, whatever money it was earning wasn't nearly enough to even warrant the use of some tact with the fans. And just the fair probability that they would be going ahead with a new game was enough to have them drop the whole thing like a hot potato. |
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