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Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
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Posted - 2014.05.05 05:56:00 -
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Isaa Quade wrote:Ulysses Knapse wrote:Isaa Quade wrote:Ulysses Knapse wrote:Yes, have the CPM resign for doing what they were expected to do. That sounds like a grand idea. Actually you're right. How could we have ever expected an unelected council of yes men to represent us? By that standard CCP might as well hire them. "Yes men" isn't how I would describe them. They did try to tell CCP not to announce EVE: Legion at Fanfest. Oh wow what an act of principle. They folded like rice paper. What else could they legally do?
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Isaa Quade
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
431
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Posted - 2014.05.05 05:58:00 -
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Ulysses Knapse wrote:Isaa Quade wrote:Ulysses Knapse wrote:Isaa Quade wrote:Ulysses Knapse wrote:Yes, have the CPM resign for doing what they were expected to do. That sounds like a grand idea. Actually you're right. How could we have ever expected an unelected council of yes men to represent us? By that standard CCP might as well hire them. "Yes men" isn't how I would describe them. They did try to tell CCP not to announce EVE: Legion at Fanfest. Oh wow what an act of principle. They folded like rice paper. What else could they legally do?
Resign
My reaction to Legion
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Obodiah Garro
Tech Guard RISE of LEGION
1154
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Posted - 2014.05.05 06:01:00 -
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Signed
They should of went a long time ago they are useless, but after this ultimate betrayal of trust I want these ******* gone
Nemo me impune lacessit
CCP - Announcing games at the same time as killing the ones you love
CCP - No Credibility
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Phazoid
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
347
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Posted - 2014.05.05 06:01:00 -
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there's nothing to resign, they are powerless players with a cpm tag on the forums, thats it
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Isaa Quade
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
433
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Posted - 2014.05.05 06:02:00 -
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Ulysses Knapse wrote:Isaa Quade wrote:Ulysses Knapse wrote:What else could they legally do? Resign And what would that have solved?
Well CCP would understand the gravity of their mistake, and the player base would have known something was up and stopped wasting our money on this piece of abondonware
My reaction to Legion
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Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
1284
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Posted - 2014.05.05 06:07:00 -
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Isaa Quade wrote:Ulysses Knapse wrote:Isaa Quade wrote:Ulysses Knapse wrote:What else could they legally do? Resign And what would that have solved? Well CCP would understand the gravity of their mistake, and the player base would have known something was up and stopped wasting our money on this piece of abondonware If I was a CPM member, I would be thinking to myself "I gotta convince CCP to announce EVE: Legion before Fanfest". I wouldn't be thinking "I'll sabotage CCP by resigning", and I'm sure most other people would feel the same way if they were CPM members. And "abandonware" is a misleading term; the only thing CCP is abandoning is the PS3.
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Isaa Quade
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
433
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Posted - 2014.05.05 06:11:00 -
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Ulysses Knapse wrote:the only thing CCP is abandoning is the PS3.
And it's console fan base. CCP screwed us over hard. If the CPM where so powerless to stop this, then what the hell was their purpose in the first place? Better to resign that be the embarrassment they ended up being.
My reaction to Legion
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Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
1284
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Posted - 2014.05.05 06:14:00 -
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Isaa Quade wrote:Ulysses Knapse wrote:the only thing CCP is abandoning is the PS3. And it's console fan base. CCP screwed us over hard. If the CPM where so powerless to stop this, then what the hell was their purpose in the first place? Better to resign that be the embarrassment they ended up being. Who is to say the CPM didn't want EVE: Legion? I'm pretty sure most of them did want EVE: Legion.
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Isaa Quade
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
433
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Posted - 2014.05.05 06:16:00 -
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Ulysses Knapse wrote:Isaa Quade wrote:Ulysses Knapse wrote:the only thing CCP is abandoning is the PS3. And it's console fan base. CCP screwed us over hard. If the CPM where so powerless to stop this, then what the hell was their purpose in the first place? Better to resign that be the embarrassment they ended up being. Who is to say the CPM didn't want EVE: Legion? I'm pretty sure most of them did want EVE: Legion.
Which is exactly why they should all be fired
My reaction to Legion
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Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
1284
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Posted - 2014.05.05 06:22:00 -
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Isaa Quade wrote:Ulysses Knapse wrote:Isaa Quade wrote:Ulysses Knapse wrote:the only thing CCP is abandoning is the PS3. And it's console fan base. CCP screwed us over hard. If the CPM where so powerless to stop this, then what the hell was their purpose in the first place? Better to resign that be the embarrassment they ended up being. Who is to say the CPM didn't want EVE: Legion? I'm pretty sure most of them did want EVE: Legion. Which is exactly why they should all be fired Why? Because they actually care about Dust 514's future and don't share your selfish opinion?
Yeah, gee, that's a great reason to force them to resign.
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Isaa Quade
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
438
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Posted - 2014.05.05 06:31:00 -
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Ulysses Knapse wrote: Why? Because they actually care about Dust 514's future and don't share your selfish opinion?
Yeah, gee, that's a great reason to force them to resign.
Do you need a history lesson? The entire point of Dust on consoles as opposed to PC was a new player base, tapping into the gamers who are intrigued by stories from EVE but too intimidated/not dedicated enough to play it. It was a way for them to have an impact in the virtual universe of EVE without watering down EVE so they could play that.
This move is purely for EVE players. Legion will become just another expansion for EVE in 3-4 years when it actually comes out. Legion isn't a step towards the vision of dust, its a betrayal of the entire point of dust in the first place. Who was the CPM? PC gamers who couldn't represent that vision or keep CCP focused on it. They failed their job and don't deserve apologies. It's not my selfish opinion or ego at stake here, it's the soul of Dust thats been killed to appease EVE players who don't understand how brilliant the original idea of dust was.
My reaction to Legion
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Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
1284
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Posted - 2014.05.05 06:34:00 -
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Isaa Quade wrote:Ulysses Knapse wrote: Why? Because they actually care about Dust 514's future and don't share your selfish opinion?
Yeah, gee, that's a great reason to force them to resign.
Do you need a history lesson? The entire point of Dust on consoles as opposed to PC was a new player base, tapping into the gamers who are intrigued by stories from EVE but too intimidated/not dedicated enough to play it. It was a way for them to have an impact in the virtual universe of EVE without watering down EVE so they could play that. This move is purely for EVE players. Legion will become just another expansion for EVE in 3-4 years when it actually comes out. Legion isn't a step towards the vision of dust, its a betrayal of the entire point of dust in the first place. Who was the CPM? PC gamers who couldn't represent that vision or keep CCP focused on it. They failed their job and don't deserve apologies. It's not my selfish opinion or ego at stake here, it's the soul of Dust thats been killed to appease EVE players who don't understand how brilliant the original idea of dust was. It doesn't matter what the original intention of Dust 514 was. The fact is that moving Dust/Legion to the PC is the best thing CCP could have done for it. Console gamers might not like this, but them's the facts.
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Isaa Quade
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
438
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Posted - 2014.05.05 06:37:00 -
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Ulysses Knapse wrote: It doesn't matter what the original intention of Dust 514 was. The fact is that moving Dust/Legion to the PC is the best thing CCP could have done for it. Console gamers might not like this, but them's the facts.
Then I feel sorry for you. You are either too narrow minded to see the genius of the CCP that was, or maybe just choose not to to keep all this convenient for you.
My reaction to Legion
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Mary Lilac
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
118
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Posted - 2014.05.05 06:50:00 -
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Ulysses Knapse wrote: It doesn't matter what the original intention of Dust 514 was. The fact is that moving Dust/Legion to the PC is the best thing CCP could have done for it. Console gamers might not like this, but them's the facts.
So what PC exclusive compilier magically takes poorly written code and makes it better again? I ask this because 99% of the problems with dust come from poorly written code, not lack of power.
Of course I wouldn't expect a PC gamer to know the first thing about what they are talking about. All they know is they can spend $500 every 6 months on a new graphics card for a 5% gain... lol.
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DeeJay One
Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
303
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Posted - 2014.05.05 06:56:00 -
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Mary Lilac wrote: IF CPM members started resigning as a whole, CCP would be FORCED to address the issue. No, CCP would then either abandon the concept of the CPM or hold an election with the same end result (or even worse, as the current CPM would be unable to say the new CPM who to talk to at CCP) |
Isaa Quade
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.05 07:01:00 -
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DeeJay One wrote:Mary Lilac wrote: IF CPM members started resigning as a whole, CCP would be FORCED to address the issue. No, CCP would then either abandon the concept of the CPM or hold an election with the same end result (or even worse, as the current CPM would be unable to say the new CPM who to talk to at CCP)
I can assure you with 100% certainty they would not abandon the concept of the CPM. Thats pretty much unthinkable.
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Ayrie Coronach
DUST University Ivy League
183
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Posted - 2014.05.05 07:08:00 -
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I'm no great fan of the CPM members, individually or collectively.
In fact I wrote half a novel's worth of rant in one of their number's threads recently, because that particular CPM's attitude I felt was in need of an adjustment given the circumstances.
That said, there is nothing to be gained by asking for their resignations, other than soothing a few community member's frayed nerves by way of schadenfreude, or just plain vindictiveness. Taking a pound of flesh where we can, because it will make us feel like we at least bloodied the other guy's nose in return for having a mudhole stomped in us.
I'm all about action, but positive action that gets results and changes the way things are done. Not action for its own sake, or for the sake of revenge.
Asking for the CPM to resign is pointless.
Almost as pointless as the CPM is in the first place.
But that's a whole 'nother thing.
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Isaa Quade
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
450
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Posted - 2014.05.05 14:35:00 -
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Ayrie Coronach wrote:
Asking for the CPM to resign is pointless.
Almost as pointless as the CPM is in the first place.
If they're pointless, fire them.
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ZDub 303
TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad.
2725
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Posted - 2014.05.05 14:39:00 -
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Isaa Quade wrote:Ulysses Knapse wrote: It doesn't matter what the original intention of Dust 514 was. The fact is that moving Dust/Legion to the PC is the best thing CCP could have done for it. Console gamers might not like this, but them's the facts.
Then I feel sorry for you. You are either too narrow minded to see the genius of the CCP that was, or maybe just choose not to to keep all this convenient for you.
The genius of CCP that was...?
You mean like this? http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/05/30/dust-514-review http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-3/dust-514 http://www.destructoid.com/review-dust-514-253697.phtml http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-05-24-dust-514-review http://www.officialplaystationmagazine.co.uk/review/dust-514-ps3-review-galaxy-sized-potential-marred-by-patchy-execution/
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KatanaPT
Tech Guard RISE of LEGION
758
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Posted - 2014.05.05 14:40:00 -
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Vance Alken wrote:Why would they step down when Dust is finally going to be able to achieve its potential on the platform it should have been on from the beginning?
Every single one of them that has posted has said the same thing, they were all shocked and angry (like you are) then they realized how good it is that the game is moving to PC (like a few of us realize now)
STFU
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KatanaPT
Tech Guard RISE of LEGION
758
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Posted - 2014.05.05 14:41:00 -
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+1 Signed!
A half decent console player would of RESIGNED, as soon as he knew what was going on. Even with an NDA up their necks.
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Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
3916
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Posted - 2014.05.05 14:46:00 -
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I appreciate the fact you're upset, but I'm not really sure that the CPM resigning would really matter after Dust has already been killed and their terms are over.
It's not really clear to me what CPM1 will even do on a game no longer in development which was recently abandoned for another game not even in alpha.
Dren&Templar Tragedy.
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knight of 6
SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance
1908
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Posted - 2014.05.05 14:47:00 -
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Mary Lilac wrote:That is right. You have all failed us in spectacular fashion.
The fact that not one of you stepped down when you heard of Dust's back-burner status (you know, a type of protest you could do without breakingthe NDA) just shows that you do not have DUST'S INTEREST and her community at heart.
Seriously now.
Especially Iron Wolf Sabre, I have never met a greater enemy to our playerbase than IWS. you're an idiot.
1) the CPM don't work for you. they are a sounding board for CCP. CCP: "cpm, how wil this go over with the players?" CPM: "badly" CCP: "Okay, thanks"
2) dust was gonna die with or without the CPM the PS3 platform can't handle dust's size, they ran out of room so they switched systems. you can only optimize it so far.
Ko6 scout,
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Isaa Quade
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
450
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Posted - 2014.05.05 14:54:00 -
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And they should have ported it to PS4 in time
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Ayrie Coronach
DUST University Ivy League
186
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Posted - 2014.05.05 19:44:00 -
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knight of 6 wrote: 1) the CPM don't work for you. they are a sounding board for CCP. CCP: "cpm, how wil this go over with the players?" CPM: "badly" CCP: "Okay, thanks"
2) dust was gonna die with or without the CPM the PS3 platform can't handle dust's size, they ran out of room so they switched systems. you can only optimize it so far.
1.) Exactly. CPM have no authority or power of any kind, there is nothing they could have done to prevent this other than saying "bad idea" which they've said was done at least in the beginning, and I've no reason to think them liars on that front.
Anyone expecting some kind of veto power to overrule CCP doesn't understand what the CPM is, and anyone that was/is honestly saying they should have broken the NDA doesn't understand what an NDA is, and how serious things can get for a person who has breached one.
2.) This I'm not sure about. I've seen too many far greater things accomplished on the PS3 than what CCP has delivered to be comfortable with saying the PS3 wasn't up to the task. Other than graphics fidelity. That's a no-brainer, but systems wise I don't think it's accurate.
Now I can absolutely believe CCP didn't have the talent or knowledge necessary to make the PS3 jump through the hoops they wanted it to, but that isn't the fault of the PS3 hardware itself.
If a bad driver is behind the wheel of a formula 1 racer and is unable to cross the finish line at Monaco, it isn't the fault of the machine. It's pilot error and lack of ability to get the most out of the thing, which is what I'm lead to believe the real situation here is.
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Ryme Intrinseca
Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad.
1099
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Posted - 2014.05.05 19:47:00 -
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PR0FESSOR CHAOS wrote:ever wonder why no one from the console community was selected? CBJ and Quickgloves have had more influence than anyone in this game yet the MAG vets that brought thousands of people into this game were overlooked. Had my finger over the like button, then I read CBJ and influence in the same sentence |
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